Political hatred: Is there a remedy?

The short answer to the question is ‘Yes’. The longer answer is ‘Yes’, but with a string of caveats. While the piece just gone: Political hatred: its genesis and its toll, attempted to define the origins of political hatred and describe the terrible damage it is causing, the damage it is doing to the fabric of our society, no attempt was made to suggest a remedy, indeed if a remedy is at all possible. This piece is to fill that void.

Using the medical model of first seeking an accurate diagnostic formulation before suggesting a remedy, let’s tease out the causes of hatred and how it manifests itself, then see what remedies might be available.

There are always multiple factors that contribute to complex problems, but let’s confine ourselves to just some of the major ones that might bring about political hatred: ideology, adversarial politics, power and money.

Does ideology cause hatred?
While the extremes of ideological persuasion in politics are capable of bringing about hatred, as we have seen manifest in violent revolutions throughout history where, for example, capitalism and communism have clashed, do the different ideologies of our major political parties here cause hatred?

In my opinion, hatred is the most extreme response to ideological debate. What we ought to see instead is robust dialogue, argument, claim and counter-claim, agreement and disagreement, even opposition, but without the hatred.

To give an example of a major difference in ideology, conservatives believe, amongst other things, in free markets, light regulation, small government, enterprise, competitiveness, a modest safety net, and low taxes, or at least that is what they claim. Progressives believe in measures that ensure a strong economy that provides full employment and prosperity, but strongly emphasize fairness, equality, opportunity, a good education for all, universal health care, and now disability care, as the last five years have demonstrated. Conservationists put environmental concerns and ecological sustainability high on their list of preferences. It is when these are applied that the jarring differences become apparent.

During the global financial crisis, preferring a Keynesian approach, Labor applied a succession of stimulus measures to keep people in jobs and avoid the economy going into recession, preferring to incur debt in order to do this. It was successful. Australia weathered the economic storm better than all other developed countries and achieved triple A ratings from all three ratings agencies. The Coalition’s preference was to avoid debt, to apply modest stimulus, and to return to surplus budgets. The Greens generally supported Labor’s moves. Naturally, there was healthy argument about the pros and cons of Labor’s approach, argument that was expected and was an acceptable part of political discourse.

But it was when opposition morphed into strident, and at times vitriolic criticism, when Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey turned the criticism beyond debating the ideological and practical pros and cons of Labor’s Keynesian approach, into venomous condemnation of the Government, the PM and the Treasurer, that hatred was fostered. No longer was it an economic debate, it was ‘a Government addicted to spending and debt’, ruining our economy, and accumulating debt that would burden our grandchildren. No longer was Labor criticized for its economic policy, it was ‘a bad government getting worse’. Disagreement with Labor’s policy became condemnation of it as a party that did not know what it was doing, and a party in which its senior members were labelled as incompetent.

When the debate changed from an ‘academic’ debate about economics to a personal attack, loaded with invective and abuse, which is what took place, hatred was fostered. The voters were encouraged to suspect the Government’s capability and question its intent. ‘Addicted to spending and debt’ stuck in people’s minds and alienated them.

This is an example of where hatred was promoted, where it need not have been at all.

Let’s look next at climate change and Labor’s response. Labor is convinced of the reality of global warming. It favoured an emissions trading scheme as the most effective mechanism to reduce carbon pollution and curb temperature rises. You all know the history of how this was aborted by the Rudd Government, re-introduced by the Gillard Government, and modified after the advent of a minority Government. Julia Gillard’s determination to initially put a price on carbon morphed into a ‘carbon tax’ and her subsequent placing of a price on carbon morphed into a 'broken promise'. ‘LIAR’ was stamped across her forehead. What ought to have been a debate about the reality, or otherwise, of anthropogenic global warming became a personal attack on PM Gillard and the labeling of her as a liar, a denunciation that has stuck in voters’ minds, as the Coalition intended it to do. The debate about AGW, about which the Coalition still seems skeptical despite its recent parliamentary acceptance of it, and what to do about it, was lost in the vicious personal attack on PM Gillard, an attack intended to diminish her as a leader, and make her Government less electable. Some would say that is legitimate business for an opposition. But for the people of Australia I believe good governance is the most important expectation of the Federal parliament; instead, the alternative government is making governance as difficult as possible.

So there is another example of where sensible debate about an important political issue was perverted and transformed to a personal harangue that has generated hatred and loathing. Who loves a liar? It need not have been this way.

Is there a remedy for this phenomenon, for this pathological condition? Of course there is. Politicians could talk about their values, their ideology, their vision for the nation and the policies and plans they have to achieve that vision. They could talk about the raisons d'être of their Party and its ‘narrative’ for bringing about needed change, necessary improvements. Instead, they fight and demean each other, put up as many barriers to progress as they can, and seek to destroy their opponents. Is there any possibility that they might change to a form of debate that is more productive and less destructive?

In my view, it is an addiction to adversarial politics that creates this state of affairs.

Does adversarial politics bring about hatred?
While it is accepted as the norm in Australian politics, and indeed seems accepted as part of the Westminster system of government, is seems to me to be the genesis of much of the conflict and hatred we see day after day. Randolph Churchill’s dictum for oppositions: “Oppose everything, suggest nothing, and turf the government out”, has been adopted by Tony Abbott. Read his Battelines. The Coalition has followed this to the tee. Virtually everything the Government has proposed has been opposed, except for some recent legislation that happens to suit the Coalition as it anticipates taking over government. Even measures consistent with the Coalition’s ideology have been opposed, simply for opposition’s sake. It has been incongruous to see the Coalition, ‘the party of low taxes’, oppose tax reductions simply because they advantaged poorer folk.

When trenchant opposition unnecessarily obstructs good governance is it any surprise that anger and resentment is created, and eventually hatred. Why do we have to suffer adversarial politics? Politicians and most commentators accept it as the custom and accept mindless opposition as ‘what oppositions always do’. Does it have to be this way? Why are we wedded to adversarial politics when some countries, notably in Europe, have governments that operate by consensus? Why couldn’t we operate by consensus on every occasion where it was ideologically possible? One can only conclude that politicians don’t want it this way, that they enjoy the adrenaline rush adversarial politics engenders. Commentators too prefer adversarial politics because it generates conflict, contest after contest, winners and losers, all of which is great copy for our conflict, entertainment-driven Fourth Estate.

In my opinion, adversarial politics is a potent progenitor of hateful politics. Another model seems preferable, but there is no enthusiasm for change. If you believe the polls, our minority government, which has operated largely by consensus among the non-Coalition players, is not favoured by the electorate. A remedy for the ill affects of the adversarial approach remains elusive.

Is the pursuit of power the genesis of political hatred?
Yes. There is no room for disputing this. Politics had always been a power game. Politicians and political parties have always sought power. Power enables people and parties to do what they believe is desirable. In that sense, it is natural. But when the quest for power overwhelms, when its pursuit is the prime activity, perversion of the political process occurs, conflict abounds, and hatred is generated. Killing off an opponent, figuratively speaking, is seen as acceptable in the pursuit of power.

But the quest for power extends well beyond politics. Many players seek the power to influence the political process, sometimes directly or overtly through the media, sometimes surreptitiously through lobbying in all its forms. We saw how the miners publically fought the mining and carbon taxes, how they still seek to influence the political process though their support for Coalition members. Think of Gina Rinehart and her closeness to Tony Abbott and Barnaby Joyce. Think even more deeply about the Murdoch influence on Abbott and indeed on the whole campaign. Think about how the full NBN would threaten Murdoch’s Foxtel empire, and about how media regulations, which a returned Labor Government would likely reintroduce, would threaten what Murdoch insists ought to be unfettered ‘freedom of the press’.

It is these peripheral players whose power is threatened, who believe their commercial interests are being placed in jeopardy, who are already exercising influence to such an extent that Tony Abbott and his senior Coalition colleagues seriously risk becoming mere puppets of Murdoch, Rinehart and anyone else who seeks power, who has money, and who is prepared to use it to get what they want.

It does not take a genius to imagine the dividend of this quest for power, this buying of favours. They want the Coalition and the sycophantic Abbott in power so that they can continue to exercise the power they need commercially. Those who pursue power for commercial reasons do not tolerate obstruction of their wishes. They will demean, diminish, degrade, disgrace, and if that creates loathing and hatred, so be it. We see this in the Murdoch media day after day after day.

Yet, it need not be this way. Labor politicians have shown that even as they seek power to enable their own plans, they can resist the power plays of those who seek to use them for their own ends, as has been the case with the media. Remember PM Gillard’s: “Don’t write crap”. But can Abbott, will Abbott, be able to resist these power plays? Does he wish to? Or is he happy to go along with these powerful people to get what he wants – political power, no matter what the cost to his political opponents, no matter what damage it does to the nation, no matter how much hatred is spread around? It seems as if the answer is: Yes!

In my view, the pursuit of political power by politicians, and by power seekers in the community who use politicians to achieve it, is a potent progenitor of hatred. But is there any remedy for this predisposition? How can those seeking power be persuaded to do so evenhandedly, free of malicious intent. Something approaching an epiphany would be necessary to convert the contemporary players.

How important is money in the genesis of hatred?
Of all the powerful factors that generate hatred, money is arguably the most important. The old adage: ‘Follow the money’ is as true in politics as in any other pursuit.

Money is what motivates the peripheral players. Businesspeople like Rupert Murdoch and Gina Rinehart, to name just two prominent moguls, live and breathe money. Any threat to their continuing prosperity is attacked with vigour. No retaliation is too harsh, no action too severe. No matter how much hatred and loathing is generated, it is justified. The ends justify the means.

We see every day how the Murdoch empire pursues its quest for power through its media outlets. For two years now, noxious material about PM Gillard, her ministers and her Government have been disseminated through its press and its TV. Vitriolic hatred has poisoned the Murdoch offerings, unfortunately now replicated by Fairfax media, and even at times the ABC. Murdoch had created a loathing of Julia Gillard in the public’s mind, so much so that there have been two recent episodes of sandwiches thrown at her by schoolchildren. Imagine the conversation that must have occurred in the homes of these kids that would encourage them to throw missiles at our Prime Minister.

This is a reflection of the loathing and hatred that Abbott and his Coalition members have generated, which has been enthusiastically echoed and amplified day after day, in every outlet he owns, by Murdoch and his editors. He could have chosen to do otherwise. He could have chosen to have his journalists report facts accurately, to argue a position from them logically, to insist that opinion be based on evidence and sound reasoning. He chose to do the opposite: to distort information, to cherry pick the facts that suited his case, to misinform, even to tell downright lies, as hundreds of articles testify. He chose to vilify and demonize. He chose to use partisan opinion as news.

He chose to build up Opposition Leader Abbott, to overlook his misdemeanours, to not challenge his lies and mendaciousness, to echo his vile propaganda. He could have chosen otherwise. He could have chosen to be evenhanded and fair, and balanced in his media outlets. It was his choice to travel the Abbott road. It was his decision that this was in his commercial and ideological interests; it was his choice to do ‘whatever it takes’ to grasp the prize - a compliant, even sycophantic Abbott government.

Just imagine for a moment though what would happen if Murdoch were to call off his dogs, were he to indicate to his editors that he wished now to support PM Gillard, her ministers, and her Government, and wanted every good move it made given front page coverage, and also that he wanted Tony Abbott, his shadow ministers, and the Coalition publically excoriated day after day for their bad behavior, or for that matter, any behaviour at all. The attitude of the electorate and the opinion polls would be reversed in a matter of weeks.

Money drives ambition, avarice knows no bounds, little stands in the way of protecting money and making even more of it. It stands alone as the most powerful of all progenitors of hate and loathing. But is there any remedy for insatiable greed, and for the awful fallout that it can generate as the greedy pursue more and more wealth? Great wealth need not result in avarice and power plays to make more wealth. Bill Gates, the wealthiest man in the world, has found a way of having wealth but using it for the benefit of others. He does not need to generate hate to achieve his aims. Nor does Warren Buffett. Nor should any other wealthy person. Is the Gates/Buffett remedy one the wealthy in this country are prepared to adopt? I wonder?

This piece attempts to identify the factors that generate hate and loathing of PM Gillard, her Government, and the Labor Party. It is postulated that political ideology, the adversarial system of government, the quest for power, and the pursuit of money, all in their own way are capable of generating loathing and hatred, but none so powerfully as money. It suggests that it need not be that way; that it could be different. It suggests that ideological discourse need not end in vilification, that the adversarial system need not be as unremittingly negative as it has become, that the quest for power need not involve denigration, and that the pursuit of money can be associated with generous behavior, can be devoid of negativity, can be accomplished without the sinister overtones of hatred and loathing.

But is it like trying to catch rainbows to contemplate a different way of doing things; is it folly to hope for a change of behavior in those with entrenched views; is it silly to look for a miracle? Perhaps it is. But should the difficulty of effecting change deter us from trying? Should we just fold our tents and retreat? If no voice is raised in protest, if no one tries to change the monolithic structures that dominate the political scene, there is no hope for any of us. Even our small voices just might be heard, just might be amplified by those who feel similarly. So let’s speak up and keep up the pressure for change.

I know some will come here insisting that poor old Ad Astra has ‘lost the plot’, yet again, that I continue to live in a fantasy world, and that none of what I am advocating will ever eventuate. That will not stop me, nor should it you.

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2/06/2013Folks This is a sequel to the last piece, [i]Political hatred: its genesis and its toll[/i], which generated unprecedented interest. In the week it ran, over five hundred comments were made; forty people rated it, giving it a score of 4.9 out of 5; thirty five people made comments for the first time; and the editor of [i]The Guardian[/i] in Australian classed it as ‘Best of the Web’. The day it was posted, visits jumped more than threefold, stayed high, and jumped again after the ‘Best of the Web’ classification. This has been the busiest week ever for [i]The Political Sword[/i]. This sequel takes a sombre look at four major causes of political hatred, and searches for remedies. The conclusions are sobering. The lingering question is whether any remediation is possible. It would need to be based on fair play, decency, graciousness, and unusual morality. All this is not impossible, but sadly seems highly improbable. Only the voice of the people, raised in insistent protest, could bring about a change for the better. We saw how the protests of the people against the proliferation of online odds on sporting events forced political action. We saw how the people’s revulsion against pedophile priests forced the establishment of a Royal Commission. While the matters addressed in this piece are unlikely to evoke the same reaction, we ought not to dismiss the power of the people in bringing about the changes this piece canvasses.

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2/06/2013 [b]Money is what motivates the peripheral players. Businesspeople like Rupert Murdoch and Gina Rinehart, to name just two prominent moguls, live and breathe money. Any threat to their continuing prosperity is attacked with vigour. No retaliation is too harsh, no action too severe. No matter how much hatred and loathing is generated, it is justified. The ends justify the means. [/b] INDEED AD, INDEED. N'

Gordonwa

2/06/2013Hi Ad, Another great article. I'm afraid that Rupert Murdoch is largely responsible for the hatred generated. He keeps his loss-making papers like the Australian subsidised so that he can remain a player in the political game. Unfortunately, as with Fox News, he has dragged political 'debate' such as it is further to the Neo-conservative right. He likes to believe that he can play king-maker and is intent on doing so here in Australia regardless of the damage it will cause. But I am optimistic that it won't work here just as it failed to work in the recent presidential election in the US. Obama won convincingly even though Rupert Murdoch opposed him. I had to laugh when the Fox News commentators wouldn't accept the results as they came in because the people voted contrary to the opinion polls. We can do the same thing here by ensuring, as you have, that our positive message reaches as many people as possible.

Gravel

2/06/2013Ad Astra Thank you for your wonderful follow up to the last piece. This should be how abbotts behaviour should have been reported by the media, and how history should record this sordid behaviour by them. IF abbott is allowed to succeed in September, we can all be assured that when Labor rightly points out faults with their policies, the media will just ignore it. Interestingly tonight on CH7 news, they reported a poll showing Napthine going backwards. There has been very little said about the actions he has taken, but it has not gone unnoticed by the public and they have responded accordingly.

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2/06/2013Depending on what outcome one wants , forgiveness for nastiness is more forthcoming for many. I don't believe the END justifies the means as we all suffer from a lowering of standards of decency and truthfulness. . Those LieNP people who stood in front of that juLIAR witch, browns birch are DISGUSTING plus "make an Honest woman of herself' Died of shame etc etc. When the MSM say they are BOTH as bad as each other WHAT A LOT OF RUBBISH. ABBOTT is LOW scum pure and simple. HE alone without the need for any help whatever has demonstrated that he falls far short of deserving the office he seeks so DESPERATELY. He is NOT made of the right stuff by a long shot I really wonder what type of people listen to Jones and Hadley and get worked up into a frenzy of hate. This is crowd psychology and manipulation in it's worse form . They Know they are doing it. It's not just happening by chance peeps. The delightful Peta Credlin invents most of it working in cahoots with the Murdoch press as to what strategy will be run at a certain time. Most effective OPPN leader ever AT WHAT!!Nothing honourable or displaying integrity or humanity. Just lust for power at any price including character assassinating anyone who stands in the way. In fact it goes far beyond that. he hates red headed females particularly and any woman who could have authority over him or beats him even if fairly. A mixed up personality if ever there was one. Being for the top end of town and nobody else, everything with "Private" in it will be for the chop. Same as his mad mate "Can do" in Qld If any Queenslander hasn't noticed the obvious parallels between the modus operandi of both they have no awareness of politics at all. and must be like what a priest told me once in a joke. "Oh don't worry about them. They're Catholics.. They will swallow anything". (He seemed like a nice bloke, actually)

nasking

2/06/2013 MEMORIES: [b]The Apollo Affair[/b] From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [b]The Apollo Affair was a 1965 incident in which a US company, Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation (NUMEC), in the Pittsburgh suburbs of Apollo and Parks Township, Pennsylvania was investigated for losing 200-600 pounds of highly enriched uranium. [/b] [b]In 1965, the FBI investigated Zalman Shapiro, the company's president, over the loss 200 pounds of highly enriched uranium. After investigations by the Atomic Energy Commission, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, other government agencies, and inquiring reporters, no charges were ever filed. [/b] [b]A General Accounting Office study of the investigations declassified in May 2010 stated "We believe a timely, concerted effort on the part of these three agencies would have greatly aided and possibly solved the NUMEC diversion questions, if they desired to do so." [/b] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apollo_Affair HISTORY EH? N'

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2/06/2013 [b]In the week it ran, over five hundred comments were made; forty people rated it, giving it a score of 4.9 out of 5; thirty five people made comments for the first time; and the editor of The Guardian in Australian classed it as ‘Best of the Web’. The day it was posted, visits jumped more than threefold, stayed high, and jumped again after the ‘Best of the Web’ classification. This has been the busiest week ever for The Political Sword. [/b] CONGRATS TPS. N'

Gordonwa

2/06/2013Hi Ad You wrote: "We saw how the miners publically fought the mining and carbon taxes, how they still seek to influence the political process though their support for Coalition members. Think of Gina Rinehart and her closeness to Tony Abbott and Barnaby Joyce." Warren Truss on Insiders today: On Gina Rinehart. The leader of the National Party in the coalition agrees to implement Gina's policies: "So the reality is that she supports the Coalition side of politics, that's well known. We believe that many of her proposals are going to be good for Australia, and we want to engage and make many of those sorts of activities actually happen." http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2012/s3772641.htm I can only think that Warren Truss is talking about implementing Gina's separate Northern tax zone and 100 dams policies that the LNP floated and 'rejected' several months ago. Either Tony hasn't told him yet or Tony is keeping something from us.

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2/06/2013Be fascinating to watch how they bugger the country but the price to us all is too high, and the process probably irreversible once the inevitable corruption gets entrenched. We have only around 100 days to move the game. ( now that Pissy Chryne has realised that getting them out a few weeks earlier is not a goer. He would do it for a day if he could. it's about rubbing lefties noses in the catshit. We know people don't have houses cause they don't deserve them. Tony says so and he is clued up or all things, and GOD will handle climate change We know that spoiling the earth doesn't matter when coal and "NATURAL" gas is there to make squillions out of ( for a few and for a few years .say 20 That's worth stuffing up most of the prime arable land and the aquifers being polluted with undisclosed contaminants . fancy calling this gas "NATURAL" Nice name for something that may have such devastating consequences.

nasking

2/06/2013 42 long...YOU MAKE SOME GOOD POINTS...AND ASK SOME USEFUL QUESTIONS: [b]Another thing Just how much do AUSTRALIANS benefit from the mining activity in Australia? Most of the profits go overseas. Much of the fabrication/engineering is done overseas too. [/b] Traditionally miners do little for the people of the world wherever they operate, or should I call it what it is? [b]More like Pillage and despoil and pollute . How much has the imbalance of mining remuneration compared with the rest of wage rates destabilised Australia with the so called two speed economy. [/b] [b]How many broken homes will result from the FI FO workers? All problems to be addressed long after the miners have gone to lower branches to pick else where. Think asbestos. coal miners with silicosis. [/b] [b]Newcastles dust pollution from the open cut mining despoliation of the Hunter Valley The ruination of the barrier reef. The ruined fish at Gladstone from dredging silt..[/b] Get a few aborigines working in mines won't help them in the long run. [b]In the old days these companies did train their workers and built houses and infrastructure. Ship in others at $2 per hour for Ironheart for whom no amount of money (personal wealth) is enough[/b]. [b]She will sell to anybody when it suits her. That's obvious..[/b] INDEED...AND AS AD NOTES IN HIS TOP POST: [b]But the quest for power extends well beyond politics. Many players seek the power to influence the political process, sometimes directly or overtly through the media, sometimes surreptitiously through lobbying in all its forms. [/b] [b]We saw how the miners publically fought the mining and carbon taxes, how they still seek to influence the political process though their support for Coalition members. Think of Gina Rinehart and her closeness to Tony Abbott and Barnaby Joyce.[/b] [b]Think even more deeply about the Murdoch influence on Abbott and indeed on the whole campaign. Think about how the full NBN would threaten Murdoch’s Foxtel empire, and about how media regulations, which a returned Labor Government would likely reintroduce, would threaten what Murdoch insists ought to be unfettered ‘freedom of the press’. [/b] [b]It is these peripheral players whose power is threatened, who believe their commercial interests are being placed in jeopardy, who are already exercising influence to such an extent that Tony Abbott and his senior Coalition colleagues seriously risk becoming mere puppets of Murdoch, Rinehart and anyone else who seeks power, who has money, and who is prepared to use it to get what they want. [/b] INDEED... WHEN POWER IS THREATENED...COMMERCIAL INTERESTS PUT IN JEOPARDY...MADNESS AND ATTEMPTED THEFT OF DEMOCRACY CAN ENSUE... [b]AND WHAT OF THE INTERESTS OF THE CLEANER ENERGY INVESTORS, PROJECTS, BUSINESS PEOPLE, WORKERS?[/b] [b]AND THOSE ROLLING OUT THE NBN...THOSE USERS, CUSTOMERS, BUSINESSES, SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS, RURAL, REGIONAL FOLK YOU NAME IT...[/b] [b]SHOULD THEY BE RELEGATED TO THE 2ND DIVISION AGAIN? OR LOWER? SO A FEW...CAN BENEFIT...OVER THE MANY...[/b] AGAIN. [b]TIME FOR REAL CHANGE. TIME FOR A BETTER WAY.[/b] N'

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2/06/2013Ad your latest thread I haven't read Visions of Whitlam Filling my head https://twitter.com/JennyMikakos/status/341135175612239872/photo/1

nasking

2/06/2013 PREMIER NEWMAN WANTS TO KILL THE SOLAR ENERGY BOOM IN QLD... JUST WHEN A COUPLE AGED 60 WE KNOW AND MET AGAIN LAST NIGHT WHO HAVE BEEN BATTLERS ALL THEIR LIVES FINALLY PAID FOR A HOUSE... AND PROUDLY PUT SOLAR PANELS ON IT...FEELING THAT THEY WOULD BE MORE SECURE... AND WERE CONTRIBUTING TO A CLEANER ENERGY WORLD: Meanwhile, the Premier was eager to spread the blame for soaring power bills beyond his administration’s policy, saying the former Labor Government’s solar feed-in tariff and the Federal Government’s carbon tax and renewable energy target also accounted for the spike. And while decisions on the national initiatives remain Canberra’s responsibility, Mr Newman indicated his support for changes to the state government’s policy on domestic solar power, specifically the 44 cent feed-in tariff. “We need to do something about the solar feed-in tariff,” he said. “We are continuing with a solar feed-in tariff, but we need people to understand that those things are contributing to the high power prices.” Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/premier-rules-out-statewide-electricity-rebates-20130602-2njkz.html#ixzz2V3In6EFH OH, YOU SHOULD SEE THE MURDOCH EMPIRE RACE OUT OF THE GATE ON THIS ONE TOO... AND THEIR PROPAGANDA OUTFIT SKY NEWS...BLAME THE GREENS THEY CRY. OF COURSE, OUR MR. NEWMAN WANTS MORE URANIUM MINING... AS DOES MR. PALMER. YOU KNOW PALMER...CLIVE OF MINING... THE ONE WHO GAVE QLD ALP PREMIER ANNA BLIGH SUCH A HARD TIME...THREATENING TO SUE HER...THE BIG BULLY AND SOOK... THE SAME PALMER WHO BRINGS UP CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT THE GREENS... THE SAME PALMER WHO WAS A BIG CONTRIBUTOR TO THE LIBERAL PARTY... BUT WHO CONVENIENTLY GOT INTO A BATTLE OF WILLS WITH TONY ABBOTT... JUST IN TIME TO CREATE A NEW PARTY... WHO WOULD LIKE TO FLY IN ASYLUM SEEKERS... LOL NO LONGER EYES WIDE SHUT...THE RADIOACTIVE WASTE...I MEAN RACE...IS ON. N'

nasking

2/06/2013 HMMM: OCTOBER 2012 [b]Uranium mining: Campbell Newman's two week turnaround[/b] [b]Premier Campbell Newman wrote to one of Australia's largest conservation bodies just two weeks ago to tell them he had no plans to allow uranium mining in Queensland. [/b] The Australian Conservation Foundation wrote to the Queensland government in September concerned about requests from the Australian Uranium Association and the Queensland Resources Council to mine uranium mining in Queensland. "We wrote to the Premier in September saying we are aware that there is industry lobbying going on and we have concerns about the uranium sector," ACF nuclear-free campaigner Dave Sweeney said this afternoon. Mr Newman wrote back to the Australian Conservation Council's executive officer Don Henry on October 11 to rule out a return to uranium mining in Queensland. "I take this opportunity to reaffirm my statements, made before the last election, that the State Government has no plans to approve the development of uranium in Queensland, " Mr Newman wrote on October 11. "We consider that there are higher priorities in the resources and energy sector, particularly with respect to the development of coal, coal seam gas and related energy sources." However in the letter, Mr Newman said it was not the place of government to "stifle genuine debate" on uranium mining. "No doubt those with strong views on the subject of uranium mining will continue to express them," Mr Newman wrote. "Organisations such as the Queensland Resources Council, are entitled to put forward their position and it is not the place of the government to stifle genuine debate." [b]State cabinet yesterday voted to lift a ban on uranium mining, that has been in place since former premier Peter Beattie reinstated the Goss government's ban on uranium mining, which was overturned by Rob Borbidge's Coalition government, however no uranium was mined during Mr Borbidge's tenure as premier. The government however will not allow uranium processing or waste storage in Queensland[/b]. Mr Sweeney said the ACF was "bitterly disappointed" the Premier's view had changed so rapidly. Deputy Premier Jeff Seeney took to Twitter to refute the ACF's claims of a broken promise. “PM put the issue back on the agenda and Premier made a decision to guarantee Queensland jobs,” he tweeted. Mr Sweeney said large uranium companies, including Ameco and BHP Billiton, were downscaling their uranium projects after Japan's Fukushima plant was damaged during last year's tsunami. "The big players who have uranium projects now – not exploring – but big projects now, are shelving or deferring stuff, waiting for the Fukushima issue to literally settle before making investment decisions," he said. Mr Sweeney said the ACF questioned the timing of Mr Newman's announcement in economic and political terms. "When the industry itself is giving itself at best an amber light – in some cases a red light – on what basis has Premier Newman decided to give it a green light?," he said. "Particularly against a clear commitment that was given before the election, after the election, and to the ACF as recently as two weeks ago." [b]Oppostition Leader Annastacia Palaszczuk said many Queenslanders believed they voted on this issue at the state election in March, when both parties had similar policies. "Both parties told voters they did not support uranium mining," Ms Palaszczuk said. "The Labor Party is keeping its commitment." [/b] At this year's ALP state conference in September, Labor repeated its objection to uranium mining in a motion adopted at the conference. The motion: "That the Queensland state conference oppose the mining, refining, transportation of uranium and the building and utilisation of nuclear reactors within the state of Queensland and Australia” puts state Labor at odds with both the LNP and its federal party. [b]Ms Palaszczuk said the Newman government's decision put pressure on the LNP not to press with a nuclear power industry in Queensland. “If the Premier can't be trusted to keep his word on uranium mining, what value are his claims he will not proceed with a nuclear power industry in Queensland?” she said.[/b] [b]Queensland's Electrical Trades Union described the change in policy as “the dirtiest betrayal of all”. ETU State Secretary Peter Simpson said the policy was not mentioned before the election. “He did not take this policy to the election. He made this decision a long time ago and has kept it from the Queensland public. This is a toxic betrayal.”[/b] "[b]Uranium mining is a toxic, secretive industry that we do not want our members involved in.” [/b] Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/uranium-mining-campbell-newmans-two-week-turnaround-20121022-28168.html#ixzz2V3N4RrcV HOLY HOT HEAD NEWMAN BATMAN!!! YA JUST CAN'T TRUST THE LNP... AND THEIR FEDERAL MATES... NOR THEIR FORMER DONORS...LIKE CLIVE. N'

Truth Seeker

2/06/2013Ad, have not had time to read your new piece yet, but will do so shortly :-) Nas, yes they cannot be trusted to keep any promises, as I am currently writing about WRT Newman and his latest broken promise on power prices. :-O I actually mentioned the issue of his broken promise on uranium mining in my post "Tony Abbott's Mini Me", back in march :-) http://truthseekersmusings.wordpress.com/2013/03/01/tony-abbotts-mini-me/ Coming to exactly the same conclusion… You just can't trust the LNP in any of its incarnations, state or federal :( Cheers :-) :-)

nasking

2/06/2013 YA KNOW, I ALWAYS WONDERED IF THERE COULD BE SEX AND OTHER ABUSE GOING ON WITH SOME OF THESE MEGA-BIG CHARITIES WHO ARE TAX EXEMPT... CHILDREN...AND HOMELESS ADULTS...AND MANY UNDER-PRIVILEGED OTHERS...HAVE NO VOICE: [b]SALVATION ARMY Australian sex abuse cases [/b] [b]From the 1940 to the 1970s the Salvation Army in Australia sheltered approximately 30,000 children. [/b] [b]In 2006 the Australian Salvation Army acknowledged that sexual abuse may have occurred during this time and issued an apology. In it, the Army explicitly rejected a claim, made by a party unnamed in the apology, that there were as many as 500 potential claimants.[/b] [b]However, in 2013 it was reported that private settlements totalling $15.5 million had been made in Victoria relating to 474 abuse cases[/b]; a Salvation Army spokesman said that "This should not have happened and this was a breach of the trust placed in us" and that they were "deeply sorry" whilst claiming that the abuse was "the result of individuals and not a culture within the organisation." WIKIPEDIA AND WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ABUSERS? ARE WE MEANT TO BELIEVE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN ANYMORE? BE GOOD IF IT DIDN'T...LET'S HOPE VOICES HAVEN'T BEEN SILENCED... OR IGNORED... OR FEEL TO SCARED, DRUNK, ASHAMED TO TALK...REMEMBER. N'

nasking

2/06/2013 should be: [b]OR FEEL TOO SCARED, DRUNK, ASHAMED TO TALK...REMEMBER.[/b]

nasking

2/06/2013 [b]Coming to exactly the same conclusion… You just can't trust the LNP in any of its incarnations, state or federal [/b] SPOT ON TRUTH SEEKER. YA JUST CAN'T [b]KEEP THE BASTARDS HONEST[/b]. :( N'

cornlegend

2/06/2013Ad Astra, After close to 50 years involved in politics, I have managed to see the good and the bad. My fondest moments, being at the Gough Whitlam, "It's Time " campaign launch, the crowd winning speeches, to the masses by Hawke, the brilliant wit of Keating. Now that I've managed to divorce myself from most forms of mainstream media, I sometimes yearn for "the good old days" Trouble is, that was then, this is now. I sometimes get discouraged, when the background drone of MSM catches up with me. When I'm waiting on an appointment and am stuck listening to a "shock jock " selling his filth When I see around me, the Murdochs, the Rineharts, the IPA, bastardising our democracy. I sometimes feel the fight against all this is futile. Then, I come to the Political Sword, read your article, and those of the committed,and dedicated fighters of the rabid right. I go off and read a Truthseeker poem, urging us on, and I get my inspiration back. The bastards may wear us down, but there's still some fight in this old lefty dog yet. There is too much to fight for. Thanks Ad Astra, and your readers, for giving me back my "fight", and strengthening my belief that we can overcome the evil right, the hate filled MSM, the abusive degraded "shock jocks", and the LNP, to which Abbott has taken to a degrading place.

nasking

2/06/2013 [b]How nuclear passed its toughest test Miranda Devine The Daily Telegraph March 24, 2011[/b] [b]FUKUSHIMA is the world’s best advertisement for nuclear energy….. power plant workers – the “nuclear samurai” – are making “slow and steady progress” to bring the emergency under control.[/b] I MY GAWD! MIRANDA IS ONE DESPERATE ILL-INFORMED, FULL OF IT MURDOCH EMPIRE HACK. N'

nasking

2/06/2013 SORRY, FORGOT LINK: [b]Fukushima nuclear plant a success, and Australia should take in nuclear wastes, says Miranda Devine[/b] http://antinuclear.net/2011/03/24/fukushima-nuclear-plant-a-success-and-australia-should-take-in-nuclear-wastes/ ALL IN THE NUCLEAR FAMILY TICK TOCK N'

TalkTurkey

2/06/2013Tony Windsor, my choice (after Michael Kirby) for Australian President! http://media.smh.com.au/news/national-times/windsor-on-character-flaws-4280611.html

nasking

2/06/2013 JANET ALBRECHTSON...ANOTHER MURDOCH ELITIST: In the first volume of her memoirs, The Downing Street Years, published in 1993, Thatcher records her belief that Britain was too beholden to coal and the then power of the coalminers unions. [b]She lamented that more money had not been spent on nuclear power to provide cheaper electricity and to ensure more secure supplies. And she made the rational observation that nuclear power was a cleaner source of power than coal as it did not produce carbon dioxide.[/b] [b]In her third book, Statecraft, published in 2002, Thatcher titles a chapter Hot Air and Global Warming, in which she talks about climate change as the “doomster's favourite subject” [/b] and records that she was “sceptical about the arguments about global warming” even though she said they should be taken seriously. In other words, Thatcher's mind was open to new developments in the science. [b]And she said that the science was "much less certain" than many politicians and global warming alarmists such as Al Gore would have us believe. She records that at that time "there was, in fact, very little scientific advice available to political leaders from experts who were doubtful of the global warming thesis".[/b] [b]Thatcher's early views about global warming were intrinsically linked to her rational pursuit of nuclear power to prevent the coalminers unions holding the nation to ransom.[/b] http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/julia-and-malcolm-would-you-please-stop-verballing-mrs-thatcher/story-e6frgd0x-1226102308194 BIG THIS NUCLEAR FAMILY...EH? N'

TalkTurkey

2/06/2013Watching Whitlam's sacking, my hands are yet again clenched in fists of rage just like in the song on That Day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYpm5FWFnlg

nasking

2/06/2013 THE GREAT SAGE HIMSELF...RUPERT, PRINCE OF RADIATION: [b]AUSTRALIA is a wonderful land of opportunity as long as it harnesses strong leadership and educates its people[/b], says [b]Rupert Murdoch.[/b] He also urged voters ignore the Greens Speaking last night at an event in Sydney [b]as part of the The Australian's Smart Business series, the chairman and chief executive of News Corporation, publisher of this newspaper, urged governments to invest in nuclear power, teacher quality, research and the education of all Australians.[/b] "[b]Being poor is no excuse for being badly educated," he said. "Having bad teachers is the only excuse for being badly educated."[/b] http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/this-is-a-land-of-opportunity-says-rupert-murdoch/story-e6frg8zx-1225944915463 [b]AND HASN'T MURDOCH BEEN A WONDERFUL TEACHER? GET YER TITTIES OUR GIRLS!!![/b] Page Three (or Page 3) is a feature found in the Sun tabloid newspaper in the United Kingdom, consisting of a large photograph of a topless female glamour model usually published on the newspaper's third page. The Sun has featured topless models (known as Page Three girls) in its print edition since November 1970 as well as on its official Page Three website since June 1999. Although "Page Three" and "Page 3" are registered trademarks of NI Group Ltd, parent company of the Sun, the feature has been widely imitated in other British tabloids and by newspapers internationally. [b]Page Three is popular with many readers, but it has also attracted sustained controversy. [/b] [b]Some critics have argued that Page Three objectifies and demeans women, [/b] while others have argued that the feature is softcore pornography that should not appear in a generally circulated national newspaper. Some campaigners have advocated for legislation to ban Page Three, while others have tried to convince newspaper editors to voluntarily drop the feature or modify it so that models no longer appear topless. [b]When he relaunched the flagging Sun newspaper in tabloid format on 17 November 1969, Rupert Murdoch began publishing photographs of clothed glamour models on its third page. The first edition featured that month's Penthouse Pet, Ulla Lindstrom, wearing a suggestively unbuttoned shirt. Page Three photographs over the following year were often provocative, but did not feature nudity.[/b] On 17 November 1970, editor Larry Lamb celebrated the tabloid's first anniversary by publishing a photograph of 20-year-old German model Stephanie Rahn in her "birthday suit" (i.e., in the nude). [b]Sitting in a field with one of her breasts visible from the side, Rahn was photographed by Beverley Goodway, who went on to work as The Sun's main Page Three photographer until he retired in 2003.[/b] [b]The Sun gradually began to feature Page Three girls in more overtly topless poses, with their nipples clearly visible. Although these photographs caused controversy at the time, and led to the Sun being banned from some public libraries, they are partly credited with the increased circulation that established the Sun as one of the most popular newspapers in the United Kingdom by the mid-1970s.[/b] [b]In an effort to compete with the Sun, the Daily Mirror and Daily Star tabloids also began publishing images of topless women, although the Daily Mirror stopped featuring topless models in the 1980s, deeming the photographs demeaning to women.[/b] [b]The Sun made some stylistic changes to Page Three in the mid-1990s. It became standard to print Page Three photographs in colour rather than in black and white.[/b] Captions to Page Three photographs, which previously contained sexually suggestive double entendre, were replaced by a simple listing of models' first names, ages, and hometowns. After polling its readers, the Sun also instituted a policy of only featuring models with natural breasts. [b]Before 2003, British tabloids could legally feature 16- and 17-year-old girls as topless models. Samantha Fox, Maria Whittaker, Debee Ashby, and others began their topless modelling careers in the Sun when they were 16, [/b] [b]while the Daily Sport was even known to count down the days until it could feature a girl topless on her 16th birthday, as it did with Linsey Dawn McKenzie in 1994. In 2003, the Sexual Offences Act 2003 raised the minimum legal age for topless modelling to 18.[/b] [b]The Leveson Inquiry heard arguments for and against Page Three. Representatives of women's groups (including Object and the End Violence Against Women Coalition) argued that Page Three was part of an endemic culture of tabloid sexism that routinely objectified and sexualized women. The inquiry also heard testimony from Sun editor Dominic Mohan, who argued that Page Three was an "innocuous British institution" that had become an "established part of British society."[/b] The Leveson report concluded that arguments over Page Three, and the representation of women in the tabloid press more generally, raised "important and sensitive issues which merit further consideration by any new regulator." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_Three GOOD OLD RUPERT AND HIS MOB...SETTING THE STANDARDS FOR YOUNG PEOPLE SITTING READING THEIR PARENTS' PAPER ACROSS THE UK. I WONDER IF RUPERT EATS BOMBAY MANGOES? N'

DMW

2/06/2013[i]For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, ...[/i] For the love of [b][i]POWER [/i][/b] is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith,

Tom of Melbourne

2/06/2013More crap. Ad Astra just cannot bring himself to accept that Gillard has such a history of political dishonesty that people have stopped listening. He never considers that many have simply disengaged, Gillard has taken so many expedient decisions that she cannot even rely on support from progressives.

Ad astra

2/06/2013nasking, Gordonwa, Gravel, 42 long, Truth Seeker, Talk Turkey, cornlegend, DMW Thank you all for your comments. Like TT, I have watched [i]Whitlam[/i] tonight. There was one remark worth remembering that is relevant to this and the previous piece. When Malcolm Fraser decided he would try to dislodge Whitlam, the mood in the Liberals was such that an observer described them as having [b]”hate dripping from their faces”.[/b] So what’s changed in forty years? There was hate then, as there is now. Another salient fact was that while Rupert Murdoch supported Whitlam in 1972 and when he was elected, declared: “We won”, at the election after Whitlam was sacked, Murdoch ran virulent anti-Whitlam news day after day and contributed to his downfall. We now see history repeating itself. Murdoch has not changed. I’m calling it a day.

nasking

2/06/2013 Murdoch has not changed. TRUE AD...STILL AN UNPRINCIPLED, GREEDY, OPPORTUNISTIC, FEAR & HATE-MOTIVATING EGOTISTICAL FULL OF IT, SCHEMING SLIMEBAG. AUSTRALIA MUST BE PROUD OF HIM. TOP EXPORT. Night all. N'

Truth Seeker

2/06/2013Ad, after reading another of your fine articles, and agreeing with you down to the last sentence, I will fall back on something I have been saying for some time now :-) Capitulation is NOT an option :-) We MUST prevail cornlegend :-) Cheers :-) :-)

Algernon

2/06/2013Tom of Melbourne, your comments strengthen my observations that Liberals are born with two bums and no mouths. They just seem to vomit lies and try to dress that up as truth by spinning their lies as often as they can. That lie in their eyes becomes a truth in their eyes due to its ad nauseum repeating. Lets face it your poster boy has a track record of abuse, violence, mysogyny, after all he attended and was active at St Johns College, a charge of sexual assault where he was pretected by his goon squad. He carries on like a spoilt child in the parliament, yet lectures others on "grown up" government. Changes his mind as often as he changes his undies. Do we really want a Billy McMahon as our PM.

cornlegend

3/06/2013Tom of Melbourne, Still waiting !! How can our friendship happen. You need a friend.] I may be able to help you with your anger management. You may be able to cut down on your medication T.O.M, you say "many have simply disengaged," T.O.M, you have disengaged from me. you never allowed us to engage. I feel you may "disengage brain, whilst typing finger is in motion." Come , friend ,all could be good between us. You are testing my patience T.O.M. I hold out the hand of friendship. Come T.O.M. its A big planet, I may be your only opportunity to EVER have a friend.

Austin 3:16

3/06/2013Appears that it's one of those issues where neither side is perfect. What was that saying "be the change you want to see in the world"

Doug Evans

3/06/2013AA Don't think this piece nails it as well as the last. You seem to discuss the symptoms of political hatred and the behaviors hatred engenders as the causes of this hatred. Hatred might arise from the entrenched policy differences between conservative and progressive that you outline up front but its sources are generally less abstract, more visceral. Hatred is the entrenched extension of the anger that arises when someone or some group is perceived to be the source of some injustice against us/me. Often but not always they are believed to possess something that is rightfully ours/mine - probably to have 'stolen' it from us/me. The applications of this to the current political situation in Oz are obvious. Abbott hates Gillard because he believes she 'stole' government that was rightfully his in 2010. Labor hates the Greens because they are believed to have 'stolen' a substantial portion of Labor voters always believed to be 'rusted on' and therefore able to be ignored in policy formulation. Both old parties hate the Greens because they are seen as gatecrashers in a party (small 'p') that has previously only had two invitees. One Labor faction hates every other because of the power they hold and the 'goodies' that flow from that power. The Greens hate the coalition for the policy reasons you outline at the beginning. It's all a bit like kids squabbling over toys in the sandpit. Everything else flows from this initial somewhat 'infantile' position. The perceived injustice of this situation is seen to justify the immoral behavior that follows. The personal slandering of a PM and the policies of her government. The notorious Labor dirty tricks that emerge every election time intended to mislead voters about the Greens and their policies. Personally I doubt the conclusion you arrive at. I don't think there is any remedy for political hatred. As you point out, toxic though the level of discourse is currently, political hatred is not new, not a new characteristic of this period of government. I think a good capacity to hold and nurture hatred is probably a primary pre-requisite for a successful political career. Quelling the fire of self righteousness within would probably have a politician thinking about other ways to earn a living pretty quickly.

lyn

3/06/2013Today’s Links The aroma of decay 2- starve the hungry by @awelder Cassidy, Maley and Kostakidis are pretty much finished if the Abbott-successful-Gillard-doomed narrative fails, which is why all three and their generation of journalists are plugging it with all their might. It's a sorry sight to see, wherever vindication will sit on them no better than failure http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2013/06/the-aroma-of-decay-2-starve-hungry.html A forecast is an educated guess by @davispg If these uncommitted split evenly down the middle to the Coalition and Labor, this shouldn’t impact on the often predicted outcome. However if all 8% went to Labor then things may be different, unlikely perhaps, but who knows. http://ausvotes2013.com/2013/06/02/a-forecast-is-an-educated-guess/ Financial gerrymandering: Follow the money by Tony Fitzgerald, @NoFibs disproportionate payments of public funds distort the electoral process, affect election results and entrench and perpetuate the status quo http://nofibs.com.au/financial-gerrymandering-follow-the-money/ Indonesia has agreed to help turn back boats, insists Coalition by Lenore Taylor “Professional diplomats are paid to present particular views but what goes on behind the scenes can be quite different – what people say privately can be different to what they say publicly," she said. "And we have had wide ranging discussions at the highest levels on this issue.” http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/02/indonesia-people-smuggler-boats-julie-bishop Bailing out the Biggins By joe6pack, Everything and everyone has been blamed from the Carbon tax ,tariffs Government etc. Ford are closing shop because they have failed (IN AUS at least) to keep up with the changing car market. http://pbxmastragics.com/2013/06/01/bailing-out-the-biggins/ Latest on the debt no one mentions by @1RossGittins It's funny that people who like to worry about the supposedly humongous size of our "debt and deficits" have focused on one debt when they could have picked another one four times bigger http://www.rossgittins.com/2013/06/latest-on-debt-no-one-mentions.htmlo Change the rules — open the revenue flood Gates by Crispin Hull Microsoft founder Bill Gates said that if governments wanted to tax multi-nationals more, they should “change the rules” and do so. But that is easier said than done. And when you look at corporate tax over the past decade you see just what a hard time Labor has had compared to the easy run that the Howard Government had. http://www.crispinhull.com.au/2013/06/01/change-the-rules-open-the-revenue-flood-gates/ Newman, a disaster for QLD but a wakeup call for voters by Truth Seeker The lies and backflips from the Newman LNP, Are a disaster for QLD, but should be a major wakeup call for voters in this up-coming federal election, cos Abbott and his bunch of right wing nut jobs, backed by Murdoch, will make Newman look like an amateur http://truthseekersmusings.wordpress.com/2013/06/01/newman-a-disaster-for-qld-but-a-wakeup-call-for-voters/o The spinning top that is Tony Abbott by @no_filter_Yamba Almost every utterance of Australian Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has to be taken with a grain of salt. http://northcoastvoices.blogspot.com.au/2013/06/the-spinning-top-that-is-tony-abbott.html Tony Abbott claim regarding impact of carbon price on car manufacturing by Pm’s Press Office Tony Abbott and the Coalition claim that the carbon tax adds $400-plus to the manufacture of per car in Australia. http://pmopressoffice.wordpress.com/2013/06/02/tony-abbott-claim-regarding-impact-of-carbon-price-on-car-manufacturing/ Clearing more land: we all lose by Kat Grigg Federal Coalition’s proposed plan to store carbon emissions in soil and trees may blow out by another $500 million a year if the 2 million hectares of land in Queensland is deforested over the next 10 years under these revised laws. http://theconversation.com/clearing-more-land-we-all-lose-14601 PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS, Climate Change Tony Windsor One of the terms and conditions of the formation of government was that this parliament, this government, address climate change. And it is one of the reasons why Tony Abbott was not selected. It is one—it is not the only one, but it is one of the reasons. He was not serious about this particular issue. http://goo.gl/uezm0 Need for Internet speed heralds zettabyte era by @Peter_F_Ryan "A zettabyte is the equivalent of a trillion gigabytes. It's a very, very large number with a lot of zeros - 21 zeros 11 per cent of the internet use in Australia in 2017 will be through internet connected TVs, and that's got new opportunities for providers, content players and so on." http://mainstreetwiththeabcspeterryan.blogspot.com.au/ A history of Australian constitutional referendums to recognise local government by @derekbarry This is the first time people have voted on the constitution in 14 years and despite some recent politicking there is not a lot of excitement about it. Yet as then Attorney-General Nicola Roxon said in a 2012 speech “constitutional reform is a high stakes contest”. http://woollydays.wordpress.com/2013/06/01/a-history-of-australian-constitutional-referendums-to-recognise-local-government/ Noam Chomsky on Democracy and Education in the 21st Century and Beyond By Daniel Falcone, Balanced education" means that if you teach kids something about the climate, you also have to teach them climate change denial. It's like teaching evolution science, but also creation science, so that you have "critical thinking." All of this is a way of turning the population into a bunch of imbeciles. That's really serious. http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/16651-noam-chomsky-on-democracy-and-education-in-the-21st-century-and-beyond A Love Song for Tony by @NormanK4 U might be interested in a video I've put together. Tony Abbott's pearls of wisdom with musical accompaniment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FK5xDjT-jRU Today’s Front Pages Australian Newspaper Front Pages for 3 June 2013 http://www.thepaperboy.com/australia/front-pages.cfm News headlines http://www.hotheadlines.com.au/

nasking

3/06/2013 I noticed this issue of racism has been brought up on ABC 24 relating to stubbies at a police station. Specifically, the Sudanese were mentioned. Now, during my time at that party on Saturday in Redbank Plains the issue of immigrants taking jobs was brought up...it was a major concern... furthermore, the Sudanese were mentioned sadly in a negative way as "being everywhere". This from a woman in her 60. One man in his mid thirties was extremely concerned about some rumour that the PM was bringing in thousands of students so eventually they could get visas to work and take his and his mates jobs in the fast food and retail industry. I thought it nonsense...but did interestingly recall all those shonky private institutes for fee paying overseas students to study at. I told him so. He had forgotten. I noted that the Howard govt seemed big on bringing in the Sudanese for awhile...I thought, cool...a non-racist conservative govt. But then we got the Tampa etc etc... So I began to wonder why the Sudanese in particular. Then I read this: Between 1996 and 2005, the largest increase in Australian people born overseas were Sudanese, at 28% per year. Other fast-growing overseas-born groups were people from Afghanistan (12% average increase per year) and Iraq (10%). Australian residents from sub-Saharan Africa increased on average by 6% per year over this period... has been reported that, due to corruption in Sudan, Australian Sudanese people may distrust authority figures in Australia. The relatively free availability of alcoholic drinks in Australia, in contrast to its strict prohibition in Sudan, has resulted in problems in the Australian Sudanese community with binge drinking. Alcohol was reported as being a significant factor in brawls involving Sudanese Australians in the Melbourne suburbs of Clayton, Braybrook and Ringwood. Wikipedia It was at that point an idea began to dawn on me... So, this was not about helping a traumatised people...but rather, CONSERVATIVES bringing in another group of people who they would fall prey to grog...perhaps drugs...be racially vilified...via shock jocks, newspapers... and cause unrest particularly in the potentially xenophobic white Australian communities... giving the CONSERVATIVES yet another opportunity to win votes off dog whistling and security & crime matters. I find it reprehensible that the CONSERVATIVES get away with this crap time and time again. I can remember in the USA when certain bad record producers targeted Afro-Americans and got them to make Gangsta rap albums... simultaneously, loads of guns started appearing in those communities. We've seen the consequences. This is SOCIAL ENGINEERING and SCAPEGOATING and RACE BAITING of the WORST KIND. AND TELLS ME A LOT ABOUT THE SCUM WHO RUN THE COALITION...AND MANY OF ITS MEMBERS. INVESTIGATIONS REQUIRED. N'

Ad astra

3/06/2013LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/LYNS-DAILY-LINKS.aspx

nasking

3/06/2013 TO BEGIN WITH: Gangsta rap is a subgenre of hip hop music that evolved from hardcore hip hop and purports to reflect urban crime and the violent lifestyles of inner-city youths. Lyrics in gangsta rap have varied from accurate reflections to fictionalized accounts. Gangsta is a non-rhotic pronunciation of the word gangster. The genre was pioneered in the mid-1980s by rappers such as Schoolly D and Ice-T, and was popularized in the later part of the 1980s by groups like N.W.A. After the national attention that Ice-T and N.W.A attracted in the late 1980s and early 1990s, gangsta rap became the most commercially lucrative subgenre of hip hop. Some gangsta rappers have been associated, or allegedly have ties with the Bloods or Crips gangs. The subject matter inherent in gangsta rap has caused a great deal of controversy. Criticism has come from both left wing and right wing commentators, as well as religious leaders, who have accused the genre of promoting crime, violence, profanity, sex, homophobia, racism, promiscuity, misogyny, rape, street gangs, drive-by shootings, vandalism, thievery, drug dealing, alcohol abuse, substance abuse and materialism. Some commentators (for example, Spike Lee in his satirical film Bamboozled) have criticized it as analogous to black minstrel shows and blackface performance, in which performers – both black and white – were made up to look African American, and acted in a stereotypically uncultured and ignorant manner for the entertainment of audiences. Wikipedia GANGSTA RAP I HEARD FROM A MEMBER OF PUBLIC ENEMY WAS MOTIVATED AND ENABLED BY SOME SH*T STIRRING WEALTHY PRODUCERS NOT ALWAYS FROM THE AFRO-AMERICAN COMMUNITY. IN NTH AMERICA WE NOTICED IT CAME WITH A MYSTERIOUS WAVE OF CRACK COCAINE...GUNS...AND LOTS OF BOOZE SHOPS OPENING. AND LOTS OF DEVIOUS, FEAR-MONGERING MEDIA, POLITICIANS, EVANGELICALS AND TALKBACK. BAD STUFF. BE WARY OF THE EVIL SOCIAL ENGINEERS AUSTRALIA.

denese

3/06/2013corn legend, you mentioned the msm ( old media} take a look at the guardian the story about abbott and his 8000 phone calls, all comments printed, the aust. guardian started last week only. people are coming out of the wood work that would never have bothered commenting on the aust. media sites. Doug , I feel ad astra is not trying to nail anything this week, just a carry on from the week before conversation, in a calming way, we really do see how this from the lnp came about, I enjoyed reading it very much. one post I noticed on the guardian wtte, that it was thought that they the lnp have never forgiven labor for the loss of JWH seat,also other things that they see that's has wronged them, wtte the writer felt they where so angry and jealous, that they wanted power ( and they do use that word} to pay labor back , they would wreck if they got the chance, not govern. so is hatred the root of their policies, I think that's why they don't have any policies, because they don't want to do any thing but take. this is what I feel when we go to other blogs, we should be reminding all the time what sort of people would not even want to give pensioners increment increases in the fortnightly pension, their front bench is full of religious people but NO Christians amoung them, that I can see. I also wonder if they care about us as individuals, I doubt it very much.

nasking

3/06/2013 MAY HE DREAM EVER: Well I heard it on the radio And I saw it on the television Back in 1988 All those talking politicians Words are easy, words are cheap Much cheaper than our priceless land But promises can disappear Just like writing in the sand Treaty Yeh Treaty Now Treaty Yeh Treaty Now Nhima Djatpangarri nhima walangwalang - Nhe Djatpayatpa nhima gaya nhe- Matjini.... Yakarray - nhe Djat'pa nhe walang - Gumurrtijararrk Gutjuk - This land was never given up This land was never bought and sold The planting of the Union Jack Never changed our law at all Now two rivers run their course Separated for so long I'm dreaming of a brighter day When the waters will be one Treaty Yeh Treaty Now Treaty Yeh Treaty Now Treaty Yeh Treaty Now Treaty Yeh Traty Now Nhima djatpa nhe walang gumurrtjararrk yawirriny Nhe gaya nhe matjini Gaya nhe matjini Gaya gaya nhe gaya nhe Matjini walangwalang Nhema djatpa nhe walang - Nhe gumurrtjarrk nhe ya- Promises - Disappear - Priceless land - Destiny - Well I heard it on the Radio - And I saw it on the Television But promises can be broken Just like writing in the sand Treaty Yeh Treaty Now ... YOTHU YINDI - TREATY INDEED. N'

nasking

3/06/2013 PYNE IS A HORRID LITTLE CREATURE FILLED WITH VENOM AND HATE NOT THE RIGHT TYPE OF CHARACTER TO BE EDUCATION MINISTER. N'

bob macalba

3/06/2013Starting point to help remove hate from the equation=[your gonna luv this SICK] Murdochs death, call me a hate monger or whatever you want but i personally will enjoy and savor the day, if it happens in the next couple of months even better as i have some excellent fireworks put aside for my 50th but am willing to fire them up if rupes snuffs it before then, and again SICK the song of the day shall be...........'celebration time come on' yeah i hate, i hate evil nasty tory bastards and all who worship them, proper liberals i just dislike but tory[bastards] its pure unadulterated hate, hope i made myself clear, i dont want to confuse anybody especially those who come here looking for converts or to white ant cheers all

nasking

3/06/2013 [b]Midnight Oil & Warumpi - Blackfella-Whitefella & Dead Heart[/b] http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7N5ZsCGjUz0

cornlegend

3/06/2013Bob Macalba you said "for my 50th but am willing to fire them up if rupes snuffs it before then," The fires coming from Hell should warm up the surroundings If that happens, PLEASE invite me to your party

nasking

3/06/2013 TONY ABBOTT AND SCOTT MORRISON ARE BAD PEOPLE.

nasking

3/06/2013 READ THIS: TUESDAY, APRIL 24, 2012 "The Secret Meeting that Changed Rap Music and Destroyed a Generation" This anonymous letter landed in my inbox about a minute ago: Hello, After more than 20 years, I've finally decided to tell the world what I witnessed in 1991, which I believe was one of the biggest turning point in popular music, and ultimately American society. I have struggled for a long time weighing the pros and cons of making this story public as I was reluctant to implicate the individuals who were present that day. So I've simply decided to leave out names and all the details that may risk my personal well being and that of those who were, like me, dragged into something they weren't ready for. Between the late 80's and early 90’s, I was what you may call a “decision maker” with one of the more established company in the music industry. I came from Europe in the early 80’s and quickly established myself in the business. The industry was different back then. Since technology and media weren’t accessible to people like they are today, the industry had more control over the public and had the means to influence them anyway it wanted. This may explain why in early 1991, I was invited to attend a closed door meeting with a small group of music business insiders to discuss rap music’s new direction. Little did I know that we would be asked to participate in one of the most unethical and destructive business practice I’ve ever seen. The meeting was held at a private residence on the outskirts of Los Angeles. I remember about 25 to 30 people being there, most of them familiar faces. Speaking to those I knew, we joked about the theme of the meeting as many of us did not care for rap music and failed to see the purpose of being invited to a private gathering to discuss its future. Among the attendees was a small group of unfamiliar faces who stayed to themselves and made no attempt to socialize beyond their circle. Based on their behavior and formal appearances, they didn't seem to be in our industry. Our casual chatter was interrupted when we were asked to sign a confidentiality agreement preventing us from publicly discussing the information presented during the meeting. Needless to say, this intrigued and in some cases disturbed many of us. The agreement was only a page long but very clear on the matter and consequences which stated that violating the terms would result in job termination. We asked several people what this meeting was about and the reason for such secrecy but couldn't find anyone who had answers for us. A few people refused to sign and walked out. No one stopped them. I was tempted to follow but curiosity got the best of me. A man who was part of the “unfamiliar” group collected the agreements from us. Quickly after the meeting began, one of my industry colleagues (who shall remain nameless like everyone else) thanked us for attending. He then gave the floor to a man who only introduced himself by first name and gave no further details about his personal background. I think he was the owner of the residence but it was never confirmed. He briefly praised all of us for the success we had achieved in our industry and congratulated us for being selected as part of this small group of “decision makers”. At this point I begin to feel slightly uncomfortable at the strangeness of this gathering. The subject quickly changed as the speaker went on to tell us that the respective companies we represented had invested in a very profitable industry which could become even more rewarding with our active involvement. He explained that the companies we work for had invested millions into the building of privately owned prisons and that our positions of influence in the music industry would actually impact the profitability of these investments. I remember many of us in the group immediately looking at each other in confusion. At the time, I didn’t know what a private prison was but I wasn't the only one. Sure enough, someone asked what these prisons were and what any of this had to do with us. We were told that these prisons were built by privately owned companies who received funding from the government based on the number of inmates. The more inmates, the more money the government would pay these prisons. It was also made clear to us that since these prisons are privately owned, as they become publicly traded, we’d be able to buy shares. Most of us were taken back by this. Again, a couple of people asked what this had to do with us. At this point, my industry colleague who had first opened the meeting took the floor again and answered our questions. He told us that since our employers had become silent investors in this prison business, it was now in their interest to make sure that these prisons remained filled. Our job would be to help make this happen by marketing music which promotes criminal behavior, rap being the music of choice. He assured us that this would be a great situation for us because rap music was becoming an increasingly profitable market for our companies, and as employee, we’d also be able to buy personal stocks in these prisons. Immediately, silence came over the room. You could have heard a pin drop. I remember looking around to make sure I wasn't dreaming and saw half of the people with dropped jaws. My daze was interrupted when someone shouted, “Is this a f****** joke?” At this point things became chaotic. Two of the men who were part of the “unfamiliar” group grabbed the man who shouted out and attempted to remove him from the house. A few of us, myself included, tried to intervene. One of them pulled out a gun and we all backed off. They separated us from the crowd and all four of us were escorted outside. My industry colleague who had opened the meeting earlier hurried out to meet us and reminded us that we had signed agreement and would suffer the consequences of speaking about this publicly or even with those who attended the meeting. I asked him why he was involved with something this corrupt and he replied that it was bigger than the music business and nothing we’d want to challenge without risking consequences. We all protested and as he walked back into the house I remember word for word the last thing he said, “It’s out of my hands now. Remember you signed an agreement.” He then closed the door behind him. The men rushed us to our cars and actually watched until we drove off. A million things were going through my mind as I drove away and I eventually decided to pull over and park on a side street in order to collect my thoughts. I replayed everything in my mind repeatedly and it all seemed very surreal to me. I was angry with myself for not having taken a more active role in questioning what had been presented to us. I'd like to believe the shock of it all is what suspended my better nature. After what seemed like an eternity, I was able to calm myself enough to make it home. I didn't talk or call anyone that night. The next day back at the office, I was visibly out of it but blamed it on being under the weather. No one else in my department had been invited to the meeting and I felt a sense of guilt for not being able to share what I had witnessed. I thought about contacting the 3 others who wear kicked out of the house but I didn't remember their names and thought that tracking them down would probably bring unwanted attention. I considered speaking out publicly at the risk of losing my job but I realized I’d probably be jeopardizing more than my job and I wasn't willing to risk anything happening to my family. I thought about those men with guns and wondered who they were? I had been told that this was bigger than the music business and all I could do was let my imagination run free. There were no answers and no one to talk to. I tried to do a little bit of research on private prisons but didn’t uncover anything about the music business’ involvement. However, the information I did find confirmed how dangerous this prison business really was. Days turned into weeks and weeks into months. Eventually, it was as if the meeting had never taken place. It all seemed surreal. I became more reclusive and stopped going to any industry events unless professionally obligated to do so. On two occasions, I found myself attending the same function as my former colleague. Both times, our eyes met but nothing more was exchanged. As the months passed, rap music had definitely changed direction. I was never a fan of it but even I could tell the difference. Rap acts that talked about politics or harmless fun were quickly fading away as gangster rap started dominating the airwaves. Only a few months had passed since the meeting but I suspect that the ideas presented that day had been successfully implemented. It was as if the order has been given to all major label executives. The music was climbing the charts and most companies when more than happy to capitalize on it. Each one was churning out their very own gangster rap acts on an assembly line. Everyone bought into it, consumers included. Violence and drug use became a central theme in most rap music. I spoke to a few of my peers in the industry to get their opinions on the new trend but was told repeatedly that it was all about supply and demand. Sadly many of them even expressed that the music reinforced their prejudice of minorities. I officially quit the music business in 1993 but my heart had already left months before. I broke ties with the majority of my peers and removed myself from this thing I had once loved. I took some time off, returned to Europe for a few years, settled out of state, and lived a “quiet” life away from the world of entertainment. As the years passed, I managed to keep my secret, fearful of sharing it with the wrong person but also a little ashamed of not having had the balls to blow the whistle. But as rap got worse, my guilt grew. Fortunately, in the late 90’s, having the internet as a resource which wasn't at my disposal in the early days made it easier for me to investigate what is now labeled the prison industrial complex. Now that I have a greater understanding of how private prisons operate, things make much more sense than they ever have. I see how the criminalization of rap music played a big part in promoting racial stereotypes and misguided so many impressionable young minds into adopting these glorified criminal behaviors which often lead to incarceration. Twenty years of guilt is a heavy load to carry but the least I can do now is to share my story, hoping that fans of rap music realize how they’ve been used for the past 2 decades. Although I plan on remaining anonymous for obvious reasons, my goal now is to get this information out to as many people as possible. Please help me spread the word. Hopefully, others who attended the meeting back in 1991 will be inspired by this and tell their own stories. Most importantly, if only one life has been touched by my story, I pray it makes the weight of my guilt a little more tolerable. http://www.hiphopisread.com/2012/04/secret-meeting-that-changed-rap-music.html I'VE READ AND HEARD SIMILAR BEWARE THE PRIVATE PRISON EPIDEMIC. N'

cornlegend

3/06/2013T.O.M. and SICK, I really have begun to feel unloved here at the Political Sword. You have abandoned me. Left this poor old lefty hanging. I feel my time here is all in vain. Come on, show me some love. Or do you want me to take my bat and ball and go away. I could find a good brick wall and play handball or something. Much rather we had a threesome though. We could play "french cricket" and discuss all the evils of the LNP. See fellas, I agree with what Bob said "yeah i hate, i hate evil nasty tory bastards and all who worship them," If it made it easier, we could invite Bob, and play 2 a side. even got a name for the 2 teams, Bob and I, the "would be's" [would be happy if all the evil bastards of the rabid right vanished. You 2, T.O.M. and SICK, could be "the never Be's {never be right all the while your arsehole points to the ground." It should be fun come and play. I hope Bob will join us

jaycee

3/06/2013Murdoch is getting very old..he knows his time is running out..I see his deep involvement in this election as his last shot at the game...and with that and his general hatred of mankind, I believe he is playing out his perceived role as "king maker and emporer" and (like the Roman Emperor Tiberius) is supporting the LOTO dropkick to be ; "Preparing a little monster for the people of (Rome) Australia."

bob macalba

3/06/2013RIP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7cbkxn4G8U

bob macalba

3/06/2013Cornlegend..more than welcome, we can only wait and see cheers

nasking

3/06/2013 I DON'T LIKE LIBERAL KEVIN ANDREWS...YET ANOTHER SOFTLY SPOKEN SCUMBAG... WASN'T THIS CONVENIENT TIMING...???: [b]Andrews unbowed, Sudanese tensions brew[/b] [b]October 11, 2007 [/b] [b]Immigration Minister Kevin Andrews remains unapologetic about his stance on African refugees, rejecting accusations he has fuelled violence involving Sudanese migrants. Mr Andrews has been under fire since saying last week that Sudanese refugees are having problems integrating.[/b] He said violent acts by and against Sudanese migrants were not part of the Australian way of life. [b]Meanwhile a social welfare group said it feared the federal government's attitude could be prompting racist attacks against Sudanese Australians.[/b] A Sudanese-born teenager was attacked by four men in Melton in Melbourne on Tuesday. They stole his wallet and phone, and then sent racist text messages and phone calls to his brother. Earier, a detective was punched and kicked after confronting about 20 Sudanese young men in the Melbourne suburb of Noble Park, a reputed trouble spot for gangs. The incident followed Wednesday's funeral for Liep Gony, an 18-year-old Sudanese man bashed to death in a suspected race attack. "I've heard reports of a number of incidents over the last little while and as I understand there's a police investigation into these various matters," Mr Andrews told reporters. "Any matter which involves violence in the community is something which we abhor, regardless of who is the perpetrator or the victim of the violence," he said. "Violence is not a part of the peacefulness and the tolerance which has been very much a value of the Australian way of life." [b]Asked if his comments in the past week had fuelled tensions in the Sudanese community, Mr Andrews said he was just one of a number of officials who had drawn attention to the integration issue. "I'm not proposing to apologise for saying what people are concerned about," he said.[/b] "Let's not pretend there are not challenges - there are quite clearly challenges there, and denying them is not going to actually help us to address that." [b]A small group of protesters greeted Mr Andrews outside a Melbourne hotel, where he address a migration conference. Sudanese refugee David Vincent said the government seemed to want only white migrants, so he daubed his face with white zinc cream.[/b] "[b]I'm trying to understand. (I) thought maybe I colour my skin white so that maybe that would please Kevin Andrews to see that I am trying so hard to integrate into Australia," Mr Vincent told ABC radio. The Sudanese Community Association of Australia has accused Mr Andrews of discrimination and of inflaming feelings against the migrants.[/b] http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Andrews-unbowed-Sudanese-tensions-brew/2007/10/11/1191696047864.html [b]KEVIN ANDREWS IS YET ANOTHER COALITION DOG WHISTLER WHO WORKS WITH THE USUAL SUSPECT MSM INCLUDING SHOCK JOCKS TO STIR UP XENOPHOBIA... HOPING IT WILL BENEFIT THE COALITION IN ELECTIONS.[/b] N'

Ken

3/06/2013Cornlegend and bob also happy to join the game! and the party! Murdoch is 82. Why someone of that age is still so intent on being in total control of his own companies and trying to run the world is an interesting question in itself. He is so money and power hungry that he can't let go of anything, at an age when most people are willing to take a back seat. (We even make judges retire at 75.) If only he had inherited some of the humility of his late mother. Like others I watched the second part of the show about Whitlam. One small insight I found fascinating, as regards the depths of Murdoch's influence, was when he told John Menadue that after Whitlam was defeated Menadue would be looked after and made ambassador to Japan. Even Menadue was surprised when that came to pass. That simple story suggests that Murdoch doesn't just involve himself in the big picture but manipulates the details of what goes on. Very scary!! To resolve the current hatred in politics, we need, as I said in the previous thread, more politicians with a sense of humour.

Ad astra

3/06/2013Hi Lyn Thank you again for a great set of links, which I will work through during the day, which will be a busy one for me. The link that caught my eye immediately was the one debunking Tony Abbott’s claim that the carbon tax added $400 to the cost of each car manufactured in Australia. A Senate inquiry estimates the real cost is $50. So Abbott is disingenuously touting a figure that is eight time higher than the real one. Is that a lie? Is he therefore a liar? What does it matter to him anyway? Any lie will do so long as it sticks in people’s minds. It’s Goebbels all over again, and again, and again.

Ad astra

3/06/2013Truth Seeker, Algernon, nasking, denese, bob macalba, cornlegend, jaycee Thank you all for your helpful comments. Thank you too nasking for your mention of the death of the magnificent singer Mandawuy Yunupingu. Like so many of his race, kidney disease was the cause of his demise.

Ken

3/06/2013Ad Good article but I think the components you mention, such as ideologies and the wealth wielders, don't lead to hatred in themselves. After all, they have existed for hundreds of years with periods where there has been "hatred" in politics and society and where there has not. One issue that seems to give rise to increasing "hatred", seems to be the growing divide between the wealthiest and the rest. Post WW2 until the 1980s there seemed to be increasing equality in much of the developed world. But since the '80s, the gap between the richest and the rest has been increasing again. (Plenty of stats available about the increased wealth of the top 10%) I believe this splits society, makes the mass of working and middle class feel insecure, and allows hatred to grow - in many directions: against immigrants and refugees "for taking our jobs", against the poorest for taking government handouts. There appears to be an ambivalent attitude to the rich in this scenario. They can either also be hated or they can be seen as saviours, as the source of more jobs to "spread the wealth". Abbott obviously plays on the latter and draws on the other attitudes to support it (because they are part of the same pattern). It is also why the PM is being accused of "class warefare" - that would draw on the inherent hatred of the rich in this scenario but labelling it in this way is an effort to counter it. It is a time for class warefare!!! Amandla Awethu

Doug Evans

3/06/2013AA You said: "conservatives believe, amongst other things, in free markets, light regulation, small government, enterprise, competitiveness, a modest safety net, and low taxes, or at least that is what they claim. Progressives believe in measures that ensure a strong economy that provides full employment and prosperity, but strongly emphasize fairness, equality, opportunity, a good education for all, universal health care, and now disability care, as the last five years have demonstrated." While I have no quibbles with this broad categorization it is plainly a less than perfect fit with the policies and actions of the existing versions of the main parties. If he can be believed (always questionable) Abbott favors direct regulation to a remarkable extent for a conservative leader who if the model applies should favor the free market above all. So how conservative will an Abbott government be, should it come to pass? The Labor Party seems completely wedded to the myth of free market economics over direct regulation (not progressive). While they have done a good job of managing the economy in a volatile global economic environment they have been greatly assisted by the tail end of the resources boom and have done precious little to protect the rest of the economy from the hollowing out effects of high prices for our mineral exports. In favor of their progressive credentials they had a go via the MRRT but were so roundly beaten by the combination of the mining lobby and the MSM that I don't anticipate them re-visiting that issue in the forseeable future (they don't really mean it). They commissioned a thorough study into the tax system (long overdue, progressive) but ran a mile from its conclusions apart from one or two cherry picked items (not progressive at all). They shoved a very large number of single parents onto Newstart costing them a considerable part of their income and slashed University funding to alleviate the political pain of not achieving an unnecessary promise to return the budget to surplus (not real progressive) Labor's shambolic approach to the asylum seeker question over the entire period since 2007 is largely indistinguishable from that of the opposition, has been roundly criticized by the UN as not conforming to our international obligations and at times found to be illegal by the Australian legal system. Progressive - well not exactly. They enacted a complex and environmentally useful suite of legislation around climate change (definitely progressive). However they continue to support (even when they are struggling with a ballooning deficit) around $10 billion worth of unjustified and unnecessary subsidies every year to the very profitable mining and fossil fuel industries. This directly undercuts the intent of the Clean Energy Futures legislation (absolutely not progressive). If my less than perfect memory has caused me to make mistakes with any of the above I'm sorry but I think the point is made. Progressive and conservative need to be assessed issue by issue, policy by policy. This point was made by Andrew MacLeod in his otherwise not really convincing article for Fairfax Why I quit the ALP http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/why-i-quit-the-alp-20130526-2n50x.html You can't assume a conservative progressive split on party lines any more. As they wrestle with each other on a pin head for control of the political centre this division has become very blurred.

Ken

3/06/2013Oops! Should of course be - It is a time for class warfare!!! Amandla Awethu

TalkTurkey

3/06/2013Ad astra said [i]I know some will come here insisting that poor old Ad Astra has ‘lost the plot’, yet again, that I continue to live in a fantasy world, and that none of what I am advocating will ever eventuate. That will not stop me, nor should it you. [/i] It won't my friend. The plot is safe with you. If ever we come to think that what you are expressing is indeed 'losing the plot' then we will indeed have lost the plot! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLgYAHHkPFs

nasking

3/06/2013 "[b]I am Mandawuy Yunupingu.[/b] I am a crocodile man. I am also the song writer and lead singer with the band Yothu Yindi. My name Yunupingu means a rock, a rock that stands against time. Fire is my clan symbol. Fire is my life force." "[b]Racism is a disease in society. We're all equal. I don't care what their colour is, or religion. Just as long as they're human beings they're my buddies." "Australia will become a model for other global communities ... I see Australians coming together from all walks of life, especially indigenous and non-indigenous Australia, for a better tomorrow. We need to lock into one another's point of view." "We must connect with old people, we need to tap into their wisdom. The hearts of Aboriginal women are crying for their culture."[/b] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandawuy_Yunupingu INDEED. FOR SURE. SPOT ON. N'

nasking

3/06/2013 I DIG THIS: [b]My name Yunupingu means a rock, a rock that stands against time.[/b] N'

Ad astra

3/06/2013Doug Evans Thank you for your detailed comment. I take your points. There are many, many causes of political hatred. I restricted this piece to just four generic causes: ideology, the adversarial system of government, power, and money, and gave some specific examples of them. You offer some other specific ones. In my view, the first, Tony Abbott’s hatred of Julia Gillard because she took what he believed was rightfully his – prime ministership – is subsumed under the ‘power’ rubric. You are right. Abbott’s hatred is generated in part because he believed that on the election figures he was entitled to be PM. It was accentuated when he lost to Julia Gillard the negotiation with the Independents to form government. It was an even larger bitter pill because he lost to a woman. He has a past history of anger in losing political contests to females. It is unsurprising that this further loss has generated hatred. She not only beat him, she deprived him of the power for which he lusted, for which he has lusted ever since. The motives behind Abbott’s hatred are multiple. You have identified an important one. Your other examples largely fall also into the ‘power’ category. As DMW quotes: [i]”For the love of POWER is the root of all evil…”[/i]. You doubt the ‘conclusion’ I have reached. I’m not sure I have reached a solution, except to suggest that if people behaved decently and fairly, hatred would be minimised. It is the counsel of perfection, so I’m not optimistic. I am reluctant though to adopt your view: “[i]…a good capacity to hold and nurture hatred is probably a primary pre-requisite for a successful political career.”[/i] You may be right. But my altruistic self still murmurs ‘need it be like that’?

Jason

3/06/2013Doug Evans, It must piss you off the Greens will never be in a position to test their theories. As for Macleod's article, go too any good book store and you'll see lots of books from current and former disgruntled ALP members with all sorts of advice. Just another in the long list of your propaganda pieces that is long on rehtoric short on soulutions. PS, Were you aware that after the 2007 budget Howard put all "New" single parents onto "Newstart" so in effect we had two classes of single parents? Perhaps we should toughen up on the parents who refuse to pay child support rather than the usual carping I hear from the Greens!

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3/06/2013Talk Turkey You are a constant source of encouragement. Thank you for posting John Lennon’s beautiful and poignant [b][i]‘Imagine’[/i][/b]. Let’s all be dreamers, dreaming of a better way of conducting ourselves, dreaming of a better world. The inveterate pragmatists will sneer at that object. Let them.

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3/06/2013Folks I have to go out for several hours now.

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3/06/2013 FROM LYN'S LINKS...I WENT BACK TO THAT POLITICALLY HOMELESS ARTICLE...JACQUELINE MALEY CERTAINLY COMES ACROSS AS DEVIOUS, MANIPULATIVE AND FULL OF IT: [b]Jacqueline Maley goes on and on about a minor incident affecting the PM, and finds reassurance in her interpretation that we're all as shallow as she is:[/b] [quote]The media are often criticised for focusing on trivialities, but judging by the reader traffic on the sandwich story on the Herald website, people were more interested in that, at least in a casual sense, than they were in the electoral funding story which was also running hot on Thursday.[/quote] [quote]Folks just loved that salami sandwich yarn.[/quote] At least in a casual sense. You don't generate or maintain reader loyalty with shite like that. [b]The Daily Telegraph is Sydney's most-read newspaper but it has been in decline by 9% year on year, thanks to the legacy of Col Allan out of which they cannot snap. When big stories happen readers abandon the Tele for more trusted sources, reducing the Tele still further to orchestrated stunts called "campaigns". Maley is adopting the shallow metrics of the Tele in justifying her position, if not her career, and frankly I can't see it doing her or her employer much good.[/b] [quote]The white noise of constant reportage - video, tweets, short-n-sharp news stories online, not to mention the countless columns, like this one, that comment on all that stuff - becomes like chewing bubblegum after a while. You get a headache and you long for a square meal. [/quote] And if there is [b]one thing you won't get from Jacqueline Maley, it's "square meal" journalism[/b]. Oh, but she has an excuse - you're it. [quote]But the fractious media landscape just holds a mirror up to the public's lack of engagement with politics. While those inside the bubble of Parliament House are paying as much attention as ever, beyond the occasional chuckle at a sandwich story, most casual politics observers have had enough. Both leaders are personally unpopular and there is even caution among some television producers about putting the Prime Minister on screen for any length of time. People are switching off.[/quote] Yes, because the only stories on offer are bubblegum journalism. If you go looking for "square meal" journalism, the broadcast media can't and won't help you. Maley knows that reporting of the sandwich thing is 'casual', but it's all she has to go on, so she 'reports' in detail a story that was covered in greater detail by others without adding anything new. This might be her idea of adding value, and it is clearly her editor's - but it adds no value at all to anyone who was looking for further insight, how a trivial incident might illustrate something of wider significance. [quote]The only things that cut through the white noise are mini-scandals such as the sandwich ...[/quote] They don't "cut through". [b]Stuff like that is white noise. Jacqueline Maley is white noise, not a trusted source of information about how we are and might be governed. She has latched onto an insubstantial story and tried to insist that it's indicative of something bigger, which it isn't. She's tried to absolve herself and the other press-gallery ovines, but she can't.[/b] You can't just write crappy stories and then claim that because people are switching off your crappy stories, you're justified in writing crap. Insofar as Maley is saying anything at all, that's it, and once again she's got it wrong. [quote]Labor had signed consent from Abbott on its legislation for extra taxpayer cash for the parties' "administration fees", but in the face of public anger and internal party disquiet, he reneged. It was smart populist politics. "The people have spoken," he told reporters of his decision. The about-turn might have made him look tricky, but it had the greater political benefit of putting him on the right side of the argument, in terms of public opinion.[/quote] [b]Abbott has a reputation for shifty behaviour that he needs to shake if he is going to be elected - it would be "smart populist politics" if he acted to diminish that reputation rather than enhance it. If he's going to shaft people he works with every day, what makes you think we can trust what he says? Maley cannot tell what's smart and what isn't. She assumes that whatever Abbott does must be smart. This is a key reason why her employer is declining in market reach and influence[/b]. The public is looking to Abbott to lead the nation away from a doubtful incumbent government. Maley can't help you when it comes to Abbott, and she sees the guy more often than most. [b]It's her job to give us the facts that will help us make the decision, not tell us what the decision is; but she ain't in the fact-providing decision-supporting business and nor is anyone else in the press gallery really. She said that it isn't her job to ask dixers [i.e. easy questions that invite flattering answers], but when it comes to Abbott it clearly is. [/b] [b]What's special and different about the Canberra bubble is that they are the only people who actually take Tony Abbott at his word. [/b] [b]He signed a deal, he's a man of his word. He broke a deal - he's a man of his word. He was rolled by his party, he's the leader our nation needs[/b]. [b]Gillard has a salami sandwich tossed at her, she's a loser; Abbott has a shit sandwich served to him, he's a winner[/b]. [b]Canberra insiders like Maley accept this and pass it on, can't see the problem. Maley genuinely can't see that her job is to find out and tell us what, if anything, Abbott won't renege on, [/b] [b]and why Gillard keeps going in the face of ignominies and what she achieves in the process. [/b] Keep tossing those sandwiches, boys. You're keeping Jacqueline Maley in a job, for the time being. [b]There is no proof that she or most of her colleagues could write anything worthwhile about education funding (the real reason why the Prime Minister went to that school and what she achieved there - brought to you by an unpaid blogger, not a 'professional' like Maley), [/b] [b]or about public funding of political parties (again, unpaid blogger 1, 'professional journalist' 0 in terms of reliable coverage of substantive issues).[/b] http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2013/06/the-aroma-of-decay-2-starve-hungry.html THE BULK OF THE CORPORATE...AND EVER-CORPORATISING MSM ARE HANDING THIS COUNTRY A TURD BURGER OF A LIBERAL LEADER... SAYING, [quote]TRY HIM YOU'LL LIKE HIM[/quote] BUT PLENTY OF THE FIFTH ESTATE RECOGNISE A BITTER ACIDIC TASTING THING WHEN THEY SEE IT... THEY CAN SMELL THE SH*T AND THE ROT FROM A MILE AWAY. TONY ABBOTT IS ONE OF THEM...HAVING WRITTEN FOR BOTH PACKER AND MURDOCH... THE CONSERVATIVE CATHOLIC CRUSADING PUGILIST EVER FIGHTING CULTURE WARS HAS THE DISTINCT SMELL OF DUNG TO ME... AND NO FANCY DRESSING...NO HUMBLE SALAD ADDITIONS...NO MARKETING SPIN...CAN TELL ME OTHERWISE... THE MSM SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF ITSELF. ABBOTT IS THE KIND OF DUNG THAT BURNS THE LAND...TOXIC...ACIDIC. NO USEFUL FERTILISATION THERE...FROM THIS VILE SCHEMING OVERTIME CHARACTER NOTHING GROWS BUT FEAR-MONGERING...THE CHOSEN WEALTHY'S BANK ACCOUNTS...THE CATHOLIC CONSERVATIVE BIGOTRY... THE BIG BIZ BOOTS STOMPING WORKERS AND UNIONS... THE PLIGHT OF MANY COSTELLO BABIES BORN IN POOR HOMES THE COVER-UPS THE STINK...THE STINK... N'

Ken

3/06/2013Nasking On racism and point-of-view as you quoted by the singer of Yothu Yindi. Lines from another song by a Canadian songwriter (James Keelaghan): Take a walk under my skies Try to see it once the way I do If you look out through my eyes You'll find a different point of view Perhaps something we all need to do at times.

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3/06/2013 SO DOUG EVANS...DO YOU INTEND TO VOTE JUST GREEN...AND LEAVE THE OTHER PARTIES OFF THE BALLOT? MY WIFE TELLS ME THAT LABOR HAS DONE A GOOD JOB WITH THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM...AND SHE LIKES THE IDEA OF MORE FUNDING FOR DISADVANTAGED STUDENTS. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT STUDENTS FROM LESS PRIVILEGED BACKGROUNDS GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE OUTSIDE OF CLASSROOM EXTRA LITERACY AND NUMERACY HELP...AND ASSISTANCE WITH COMPUTERS, SOFTWARE AND THE INTERNET... NOT TO MENTION, HOMEWORK CENTRES...AND EXTRA TUTORING. MY EXPERIENCE HAS SHOWN IT WORKS...STUDENTS BECOME MORE CONFIDENT AND INTRINSICALLY MOTIVATED...BETTER COMMUNICATORS...THE LIST GOES ON. SADLY, FAR TOO MANY STUDENTS FROM WEALTHIER FAMILIES GET TUTORING OPPORTUNITIES THAT OTHERS LESS PRIVILEGED DON'T. THIS GIVES THEM AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE. THIS IS ONE REASON I'M PLEASED WE HAVE BROUGHT BACK MORE TESTING...A TUTOR CAN'T SIT AND DO THE TEST FOR YOU... LIKE THEY CAN WRITE MOST/SOME OF YOUR ASSIGNMENT. MONEY CREATES AN UNEVEN PLAYING FIELD. I LEARNT THAT LIVING WITH THE MORE WEALTHIER CONSERVATIVE SIDE OF MY FAMILY. SKIN COLOUR TOO. SADLY. N'

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3/06/2013 [b]Take a walk under my skies Try to see it once the way I do If you look out through my eyes You'll find a different point of view[/b] INDEED KEN...INDEED. THIS FROM A GEORGE NEGUS INTERVIEW WITH MANDAWUY YUNUPINGU: MANDAWUY YUNUPINGU: Many of my leaders was wanting the school to be run by Aboriginal people. Our school was the first one to have an Aboriginalisation program which the NT Government supported. GEORGE NEGUS: Mandawuy, thanks very much for having us here. MANDAWUY YUNUPINGU: Welcome here, George. GEORGE NEGUS: Last time we talked was at my place. MANDAWUY YUNUPINGU: That's right, yeah. GEORGE NEGUS: Now your place. How long have your family been here? MANDAWUY YUNUPINGU: This is the area in which my people has lived for many, many thousands of years. This is where I grew up when I was a little kid. This is where my father used to hunt and teach me a lot of the things that I know today. GEORGE NEGUS: It's interesting to hear you say... I mean, I couldn't say it. "This is where my family have lived for thousands of years." And for the sake of those listening to us who don't know, your clan, your people – the Gove people, the Yolngu people. Have I got the pronunciation? MANDAWUY YUNUPINGU: Yolngu, yeah. GEORGE NEGUS: What's the significance of that clan? Does the word itself have any meaning? MANDAWUY YUNUPINGU: 'Yolngu' is 'Indigenous'. 'Yolngu' is 'black person of this country'. GEORGE NEGUS: So it's what we might refer to people in another part of the country as 'Kooris'. MANDAWUY YUNUPINGU: That's right. GEORGE NEGUS: Same sort of thing? MANDAWUY YUNUPINGU: Same sort of thing. It's... every other Aboriginal people in other States of Australia, they call themselves different to Yolngu. GEORGE NEGUS: And it's the land every time, isn't it, Mandawuy? It's the land that identifies people, whatever nation, whatever clan they are. MANDAWUY YUNUPINGU: The land has a very significant and special understanding to Aboriginal people because it's... it's our connection to the land. What the land tells us is who we belong to and what we belong to. GEORGE NEGUS: How did you and your people feel when the mine moved in? Is it a bit like desecrating a church to mine your country? MANDAWUY YUNUPINGU: Very much so, 'cause, you know, the land is our church. It's... it's where our lore is, where our spirituality is. GEORGE NEGUS: Maybe if we non-Indigenous people thought about the land as a church, like a church, you think we'd get a lot closer to understanding why it's so damned important to you? MANDAWUY YUNUPINGU: I reckon so. It'd be something that would be worthwhile for non-Indigenous Australians to understand just how worthwhile and how valuable our land is for our existence.... GEORGE NEGUS: When you were teaching, you began to develop this 'both ways' style of education where you were teaching Aboriginal culture and white culture. MANDAWUY YUNUPINGU: It was a strategy to make sure that Aboriginal knowledge system was as equal as the white system. Our knowledge system wasn't seen to be a classroom thing. But I made that otherwise. I made it happen that our knowledge system would be part of the school system so that you could walk into a classroom and learn about that Yolngu understanding, whether it be talking about... GEORGE NEGUS: And you taught in English and also... MANDAWUY YUNUPINGU: Both ways. In the 'both ways' bilingual delivery. GEORGE NEGUS: I think it's fair to say that you haven't really stopped teaching, have you? MANDAWUY YUNUPINGU: No. GEORGE NEGUS: You're an educator. MANDAWUY YUNUPINGU: The world is my... the world is a bigger classroom for me. http://www.abc.net.au/gnt/profiles/Transcripts/s1150380.htm N'

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3/06/2013 I KNOW THAT MY USE OF SYNTAX AND GRAMMAR IS OFF FOR SOME... BUT I BELIEVE ENGLISH IS [b]A LIVING LANGUAGE[/b]... EVER-EVOLVING. N'

Doug Evans

3/06/2013AA I TAKE YOUR RESPONSE TO MY FIRST COMMENT AND AGREE COMPLETELY. WELL SAID. I TAKE ANYTHING DMW SAYS SERIOUSLY. HE IS USUALLY RIGHT ON THE MONEY. JASON IGNORING THE GREEN BAITING I HAD COMPETELY FORGOTTEN ABOUT HOWARD AND NEWSTART. OF COURSE THAT DESERVES CONDEMNATION ALSO BUT AFTER ALL IT WAS THE LIBERAL PARTY WITH LITTLE JOHNNY AT THE HELM. DON'T WE EXPECT BETTER OF A 'PROGRESSIVE' PARTY THAT 'EMPHASIZES FAIRNESS, EQUALITY, OPPORTUNITY'? IS HOWARD'S BEHAVIOR TO BECOME THE MEASURE OF WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE? I DON'T THINK SO. MY PURPOSE IN LISTING THESE NOT SO PROGRESSIVE MEASURES OF THE LABOR PARTY WAS TWOFOLD. FIRST I WANTED TO INDICATE THAT I DIDN'T THINK THE PROGRESSIVE - CONSERVATIVE SPLIT COULD ANY LONGER BE USEFULLY DIVIDED ALONG PARTY LINES. SECOND I WANTED TO INDICATE YET AGAIN THAT POLITICAL DEBATE THAT CUTS THROUGH THE FOG - SURELY WHAT WE NEED AT THIS CRITICAL TIME - MUST ADDRESS BOTH THE COMFORTABLE AND THE RATHER LESS COMFORTABLE ASPECTS OF THE ISSUE. I'M NOT INTO ALP BASHING AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT I WISH THE PARTY WELL EVEN THOUGH I DON'T EXPECT EVER AGAIN TO VOTE FOR IT. IF IT CRUMBLES THERE WILL BE ONLY ONE VERY SMALL PARTY BETWEEN US AND SOME FORM OF CORPORATE FASCISM. I DON'T RELISH THAT THOUGHT. NASKING EVEN THOUGH I DON'T LIKE THE GAMES THE TWO OLD PARTIES ARE PLAYING WITH THEIR PREFERENCES. I WILL BE VOTING ACCORDING TO THE RULES AS I WANT MY VOTE TO BE COUNTED. IT UNDERSCORES THE ANTI-DEMOCRATIC NATURE OF COMPULSORY PREFERENTIAL VOTING THOUGH DOESN'T IT? FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH I COMPLETELY SHARE YOUR OPINION OF THE REVOLTING KEVIN ANDREWS - AN OUT AND OUT RACIST - AND THE EQUALLY DISGUSTING CHRISTOPHER PYNE. ON THE GILLARD GOV'T AND SCHOOLS I GENERALLY AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS BUT I WOULD SAY THAT ALTHOUGH A TUTOR CAN'T DO A TEST FOR YOU A TEACHER CAN (AND APPARENTLY THEY DO) TELL YOU WHAT TO WRITE SO THAT THE RESULTS DON'T SHOW THE SCHOOL IN A BAD LIGHT ON THE NAPLAN SCORES. I HEARD A VERY INTERESTING DISCUSSION THE OTHER DAY BETWEEN A NUMBER OF EDUCATORS THAT SUGGESTED THAT NAPLAN WAS BEING SERIOUSLY MISUSED ON THE MYSCHOOL WEBSITE. CHEERS

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3/06/2013 DISCRIMINATION COMES IN MANY FORMS...AND IS USED SOMETIMES BY RUTHLESS PROFITEERS, SOME OF THE ELITE, WHITE SUPREMACISTS AND THE EXTREME CHRISTIAN LOBBY TO KEEP OTHERS DOWN... ONE ONLY HAS TO LOOK AT HOW COCAINE USERS (THOSE WHO CAN AFFORD IT)...ARE TREATED BY THE LAW, POLITICIANS AND MEDIA COMPARED TO THOSE WHO USED CRACK (OFT THE POOR AND DISADVANTAGED...THO INTERESTINGLY, WEALTHY BLACK USERS WERE HAMMERED AS WELL)... CERTAINLY WHITE PEOPLE HAVE USED CRACK TOO...AND SOME FELT THE HAMMER... SO, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT RACE...BUT ALSO YOUR POSTCODE...TOO OFT HOW MUCH YOU OWN AND EARN... BUT WE CAN'T IGNORE THE FACT RACE IS A BIG FACTOR WHEN IT COMES TO HOW YOU ARE TREATED BY MUCH OF THE JUSTICE SYSTEM: SEPTEMBER 27, 2011 VH 1's "Planet Rock" Hip Hop and the Crack Generation by BRENT WOODIE I was born into the crack era. Although not old enough to take part in the crack game, it did not leave me immune to the detrimental effects the drug had on my community. Growing up in the Bronx, I was surrounded by crack users, drug sellers and poverty. I first took notice of the crack epidemic while playing basketball with friends, when I complained of all the crack vials surrounding the concrete. Eventually, it was not out of the ordinary to see my cousin – and others –strung out on crack or relatives locked up for selling crack. These stories are nothing new to those living in the 80s and it played as the backdrop to the VH1documentary, “Planet Rock: The Story of Hip-Hop and the Crack Generation,” which aired on Sunday, September, 18. The VH-1 Roc Doc focused on the impact the crack epidemic had on hip-hop and vice versa. It was a balanced portrayal of the crack epidemic – without being too educational or dumbed down — that showed the harms of crack, and how the response by the media and elected officials added to the ruin of the inner city. Narrated by executive producer, Ice-T, Planet Rock also got insights from rappers Snoop Dogg, Raekwon and Rza about the impact crack had on their lives and musical careers. [b]The documentary skillfully explained the story of how the drug sellers of the 80s were the new stars of the decade. Their flashy cars and fast money excited the youth, who were bogged down by an economic recession. With few opportunities to work, people gravitated to the drug trade to earn money. By adding commentary by former real life drug kingpins, Azie Faison and “Freeway” Ricky Ross, the film became more authentic, explaining how the dealers became the model for up and coming rappers. As the status of the drug sellers rose, rappers imitated the style and swagger the dealers. The big gold chain became a status symbol of success. Designer labels like Gucci, Fendi and Versace were now accessible through tailors like Dapper Dan. Also, the lyrics of rappers began to reflect the lives of drug dealers. Thanks to the stories of Snoop and Rza, the documentary was more intriguing — taking us through the thought process of why these artists rapped about the drug trade. The movie not only talked about the link between crack and hip-hop, Planet Rock dug deeper into the personal stories and larger effects of the drug war, giving a more comprehensive view of what was going on at the time. It put a spotlight on how the media overstated the crack explosion. Every news broadcast, newspaper and magazine was saturated with stories of the crack epidemic. A telling scene is when the film showed a commercial with Clint Eastwood, Nancy Reagan and Pee-Wee Herman – of all people – denouncing drug use. It all leads to politicians — on both sides of the political spectrum — trying to out do each other in punishing crack dealers and users. Possession of crack was punished way more harshly than cocaine. The infamous 100 to 1 crack powder disparity became law and a mere five grams of crack resulted in an automatic five-year prison sentence. However, it took a whopping 500 grams of powder cocaine to trigger that same sentence. As a result, people of color filled up jails and the prison population skyrocketed. Experts on the drug war gave valuable insights into these policies and further exposed the allegations of the C.I.A smuggling drugs into urban communities and how the drug war changed the relationship between police and the community. (See Cockburn and St. Clair’s Whiteout: the CIA, Drugs and the Press.) At the end of the film, I was reminded of the importance the crack epidemic and hip-hop had on my life. The film provided great prospective. Although crack longer dominates inner city life – thanks in part to the negative connotation of being a “crack head” – drugs are still around. I’m fortunate to have survived in such a troubled time, but today is no different. We are in the same predicament in 2011. We are in a recession. The drug game is still in effect. Plus, rappers are still in the business of glorifying the drug dealer lifestyle.[/b] http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/27/hip-hop-and-the-crack-generation/ HOW MANY SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS PEOPLE...MEDIA EMPIRES...AGGRESSIVE POLITICIANS...IRRESPONSIBLE SHARE MARKET AND HOUSING BOOM PLAYERS ACTING IRRATIONALLY EXUBERANT HAVE BEEN BIG COCAINE USERS? CERTAINLY SOME ARE MADE EXAMPLE OF...BUT NOT PUNISHED TO THE SAME DEGREE AS POOR CRACK USERS... THE VOICELESS... AND OF COURSE THE COCAINE TRADE HAS DONE AWFUL DAMAGE TO THE COUNTRIES WHO EXPORT IT...THO, USEFUL FOR SOME STRUGGLING FARMERS... AND THE PROFITS HAVE NOT ONLY BENEFITTED UNDERWORLD FIGURES...BUT ALSO MAJOR AUTHORITY FIGURES... AND EXTREMIST POLITICAL GROUPS. NOT TO MENTION THE CHARACTERS WHO BENEFIT FROM THE SECURITY APPARATUS...THE HIGHLY EXPENSIVE AND WASTEFUL 'WAR ON DRUGS'. PROHIBITION HAS A WAY OF BENEFITTING THE MOST GREEDY AND GROTESQUE OF CHARACTERS... WHILST DECENT, STRUGGLING PEOPLE BECOME SCAPEGOATS AND CASUALTIES. IT IS A SICK GAME. THAT NO RATIONAL, COMPASSIONATE SOCIETY SHOULD PLAY. TIME FOR REAL CHANGE. A BETTER WAY. N'

Doug Evans

3/06/2013Jason you said "Just another in the long list of your propaganda pieces that is long on rhetoric short on solutions." You are right I can't see solutions to the internal problems of the ALP at present but looking in from the outside is always difficult. You are on the inside what do you think? I found Mark Latham's Quarterly Essay interesting and plausible until I got to the bit about persuading the Union power brokers to let go of at least some of their power for the good of the party - that I can't imagine. But then again I couldn't believe in the crumbling of the USSR and the destruction of the Berlin Wall until it happened either. What do you think? What do you think of Labor historian Rodney Cavalier's suggestion that there are two Labor parties. An upper party comprising a small number of Union and labour movement functionaries and a lower party of the local branch members. Increasingly decisions are taken in the upper party where all the power lies and there is very little overlap between the parties. Union power brokers a bit thin on the ground at branch meetings Jason? Or is this just garbage from a disappointed former leader who no longer belongs to the Party? Is that your experience of Party life? It certainly seems to gel with decisions to bypass local pre-selection and parachute anointed right wing apparatchiks into safe seats irrespective of their lack of connection to the local community. Feeney into Batman to replace fossil fuel Ferguson. Watts a former Conroy staffer into Gellibrand to replace Roxon. Fuck the local members - if there are any left - they can just lie back and think of Julia. What do you think of all this Jason? Is this just more Greens bad mouthing of the ALP or is this the sort of stuff the dwindling membership talks about over coffee and bikkies after the agenda is closed at local branch meetings? Do you think ignoring Party rules about the number of women candidates and ignoring local branch wishes to have a say in determining who represents them in Parliament might be encouraging young enthusiastic idealistic folk to join the party or perhaps it's the other way around? And what about the membership Jason? According to another Labor historian Troy Bramston membership has fallen from 150,000 in the 1030s to 50,000 in the 1990s and around 11,665 who voted in the 2011 presidential ballot. I think Greens membership is around 7,000 and rising (couldn't find confirmation of this however) but I know that both Greater Western Sydney and the Gold Coast Suns have more members than the ALP - a sobering thought. How are numbers holding up in your local branch? Can you still get enough out to leaflet and man the local polling booths on election days? My experience of leafleting around here is that this is getting very difficult for the Party. The ALP people I used to meet had often come from quite long distances to cover local shortfalls. Are you experiencing this problem also Jason? So, you are right Jason. Long on rhetoric short on solutions. I'm genuinely interested to hear what you think might constitute solutions to these problems and many others that we don't have time to go into here. All I can do is look in from the outside and try to follow what is going on from the words of those who claim to know. You are an insider what do you think?

Catching up

3/06/2013Can we have some truth from Abbott and the media, re the asbestos scare. I see Abbott is out once again saying their NBN will not need to pits dug up. A big as lie, as when he says the footpaths are being dug up. Is not true. Telstra has for years have sub contractors digging out those pits. If there is great danger, I wonder how many have been harmed in the past. Yes, the work has been done for many years. Letter from todays Telegraph from Doug Sims of the Central Coast backs up what I have said. <blockquote> "The process of removing these cable pits is not difficult, if done correctly no harm will come to workers or public. Telstra and Telecom having been using this process for years with few problems, obviously there is some communication error in the process between Telstra and the contractor. Thousands of pits were replaced for cable TV rollout with no ramification to the public. Health and safety in the work workplace should always be our number one priority. Employers need to to re-engage unions and work together. I do believe that the danger to those members of the public are not as great as some would like us to believe".</blockquote> The comment above fits in what I have been told by others that have done the work. It appears that Telstra has paid the same amount to SC for at least seven years. To same money, short cuts are made. It is time to Telstra to change their habits of getting the job done for the lowest cost, and stop ripping off workers. As for Mr. Abbott, he should be condemned for unnecessarily scaring people living in the area. I fear more for the workers, doing the job, than those living around.

Jason

3/06/2013Doug, I will respond in deatil later as I have an appointment I have to attend!

nasking

3/06/2013 [b]ON THE GILLARD GOV'T AND SCHOOLS I GENERALLY AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS BUT I WOULD SAY THAT ALTHOUGH A TUTOR CAN'T DO A TEST FOR YOU A TEACHER CAN (AND APPARENTLY THEY DO) TELL YOU WHAT TO WRITE SO THAT THE RESULTS DON'T SHOW THE SCHOOL IN A BAD LIGHT ON THE NAPLAN SCORES. I HEARD A VERY INTERESTING DISCUSSION THE OTHER DAY BETWEEN A NUMBER OF EDUCATORS THAT SUGGESTED THAT NAPLAN WAS BEING SERIOUSLY MISUSED ON THE MYSCHOOL WEBSITE.[/b] DOUG EVANS, ODDLY, YER COMMENT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING I'D EXPECT MORE FROM A MURDOCH TABLOID. :D IT ASSUMES TEACHERS ARE CORRUPT...CERTAINLY THERE WOULD BE SOME PRESTIGIOUS SCHOOLS TERRIFIED OF BEING SHOWN UP THAT WOULD SEE EDUCATORS CHEATING... THEY POTENTIALLY HAVE A LOT TO LOSE...IF THEIR STUDENTS DO NOT LIVE UP TO THE EXPECTATIONS OF SOME FEE PAYERS (THO, WE KNOW THAT SOME WITH MONEY DON'T GIVE A STUFF...AS LONG AS THEY CAN BRIBE EDUCATORS, PRINCIPALS BY WAY OF DONATIONS, JOB PROMISES, CASH AND ASSET OFFERINGS ETC. TO GET WHAT THEY WANT)... WE HAVE READ, HEARD THAT SOME OF THOSE SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN KEEPING STUDENTS AT HOME BY WAY OF PRODUCING VARIOUS EXCUSES TO JUSTIFY EXEMPTION FROM THE TESTS... BUT I'M SURE THE MAJORITY OF TEACHERS ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING. (OF COURSE, IF POORER SCHOOLS ARE PUT UNDER THE THREAT OF MASS SACKINGS AND CLOSURE AS SO CALLED 'FAILING SCHOOLS' BY A CORPORATE POLITICAL ELITE AND THEIR RIGGED, UNFAIR TESTS, THEN YOU WILL SEE SOME DESPERATE EDUCATORS DOING THE WRONG THING... SOMETIMES FOR THE RIGHT REASONS...THINK AMERICA)... THIS IS NOT TO SAY THE TESTS CANNOT BE REFINED... NOR AM I IMPLYING THAT TESTS ARE THE ONLY USEFUL WAY TO ASSES STUDENT KNOWLEDGE, MEMORY, SKILLS AND ABILITY... FAR FROM IT... THE TESTING IS JUST PART OF A VARIETY OF MEASURES...MERELY ONE TOOL IN THE KIT, SO TO SPEAK. ONE WOULD HOPE TESTING DID NOT TAKE AWAY FROM OPPORTUNITIES TO USE OTHER EXCITING TEACHING AND ASSESSMENT METHODS... NOR THE FOCUS ON LITERACY AND NUMERACY UNDERMINE OTHER ESSENTIAL AREAS...INCLUDING PERFORMANCE ARTS...SCIENCE LAB EXPERIMENTS AND EXCURSIONS...FILM & TELEVISION (VISUAL ARTS, MEDIA STUDIES)...COMPUTER STUDIES...WORK EXPERIENCE...ETHICS CLASSES...MANUAL ARTS...LANGUAGE STUDY...THE LIST GOES ON... N'

Catching up

3/06/2013Abbott still playing politics with the Telstra pits. Yes, the PM is correct, his behaviour is disgraceful. QT

nasking

3/06/2013 SO INTERESTING: SO INTERESTING: SONGLINE A songline, also called dreaming track by Indigenous Australians within the animist indigenous belief system, is one of the paths across the land (or sometimes the sky which mark the route followed by localised 'creator-beings' during the Dreaming. The paths of the songlines are recorded in traditional songs, stories, dance, and painting. A knowledgeable person is able to navigate across the land by repeating the words of the song, which describe the location of landmarks, waterholes, and other natural phenomena. In some cases, the paths of the creator-beings are said to be evident from their marks, or petrosomatoglyphs, on the land, such as large depressions in the land which are said to be their footprints. By singing the songs in the appropriate sequence, Indigenous people could navigate vast distances, often travelling through the deserts of Australia's interior. The continent of Australia contains an extensive system of songlines, some of which are of a few kilometres, whilst others traverse hundreds of kilometres through lands of many different Indigenous peoples — peoples who may speak markedly different languages and have different cultural traditions. Since a songline can span the lands of several different language groups, different parts of the song are said to be in those different languages. Languages are not a barrier because the melodic contour of the song describes the nature of the land over which the song passes. The rhythm is what is crucial to understanding the song. Listening to the song of the land is the same as walking on this songline and observing the land. In some cases, a songline has a particular direction, and walking the wrong way along a songline may be a sacrilegious act (e.g. climbing up Uluru where the correct direction is down). Traditional Aboriginal people regard all land as sacred, and the songs must be continually sung to keep the land "alive". Molyneaux & Vitebsky (2000, p. 30) note that the Dreaming Spirits "also deposited the spirits of unborn children and determined the forms of human society," thereby establishing tribal law and totemic paradigms. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songlines HAVING SPENT MY HIGH SCHOOL YEARS IN CANADA LEARNING ABOUT THEIR FIRST PEOPLE...I FIND THE ABORIGINAL CULTURE INTRIGUING...AND FUN TO LEARN ABOUT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY NEGABORES LIKE FORMER JOHN HOWARD HAVE SUCH A PROBLEM WITH TRUTH...AND TEACHING ABOUT INDIGINEOUS CULTURE AND HISTORY... I BET MR. CRUSADING ABBOTT IS A FRIEND OF ABORIGINES POINTING THEM TOWARDS CATHOLIC BOARDING SCHOOLS, FACTORY FARMING, CASINOS, CORPORATE BOARDROOMS, CORRUPTING CORPORATE SPORTS, RESORT WORK, BIG MINING WITH ITS EPIDEMIC OF MINING AND SEXISM AND BREAKING FAMILIES...AND RUINING THE LAND. ABBOTT THINKS HIS MISSION IS TO EMPOWER INDIGINEOUS PEOPLE...GOD'S WILL... BUT...JOB OPPORTUNITIES DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO COME WITH ARCHAIC AND DESTRUCTIVE INDUSTRIES THAT CAN STRANGLE THE HOPE, THE PEACE, THE CALM, THE FRESH, THE CORE, THE DREAMS. I REALLY DON'T LIKE..NOR TRUST...ABBOTT...PYNE...AND THEIR SUPPORTERS. YOU CAN SEE HOW THEIR SICK VIRUS HAS INFECTED THE POTENTIAL GREEDSTER OCCASIONALLY RATIONAL MALCOLM TURNBULL. TURNBULL IS A MERE SHADOW OF HIS KINDER, PROGRESSIVE, IMAGINATIVE, HONEST SELF...DISTORTED BY HIS DEAL WITH MURDOCH TOO. NOW ANOTHER NEGABORE. SAD. N'

nasking

3/06/2013 [b]Abbott still playing politics with the Telstra pits. Yes, the PM is correct, his behaviour is disgraceful. [/b] CU, IT'S IN THEIR DNA. WIN AT ALL COSTS, UNPRINCIPLED, OPPORTUNISTIC MUTANTS. N'

nasking

3/06/2013 YA SEE...TOO MANY OF THE INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY WHO CATER TO THE CORPORATE MSM HAVE TAKEN THE EASY ROAD... THIS OBSESSION WITH MINING AND CATTLE AND WHEAT AND FACTORY FARMING IS THE EASY ROAD... LITTLE IMAGINATION... JUST LIKE LIVING OFF THE SHEEP'S BACK... AFTER AWHILE, THE PEOPLE BEGIN TO REALISE THAT THE ROT HAS SET IN... IN THE BODIES...THE LAND...THE MIND. PLENTY OF OTHER SECTORS CREATE JOBS...WITHOUT THE ROT SETTING IN. UNLESS THE GREEDY DISTORT THEM. N'

42 long

3/06/2013The abbott is one of the most opportunistic distorters of fact I have ever seen. Whatever rottenness it takes. If Julia fell under a bus abbott would reckon she did it on that day for some political gain. Same as father dying of shame. Tony is sick in the head. The real trouble is his absolute double standard. I hope we collectively see through this transparent fraud, who tells a different story to a different audience or a different place or a different time. Is that a Shame elion?

nasking

3/06/2013 [b]PEOPLE DRINK GROG A LOT WHEN THE ROT SETS IN...[/b] WHEN THE [b]GUILT AND CONFUSION BUILDS UP... [/b] RECOGNITION OF [b]WRONG PATH TAKEN...[/b] [b]BURIED[/b]... BY GROG...AND PRESCRIPTION DRUGS...COCAINE... AND [b]ADDICTION TO USELESS WORK[/b]...AND ATTACKING OTHERS...[b]NEEDING TO WIN[/b]... BUT THEY SEE [b]THE ROT EVERYWHERE[/b]... EVEN IN [b]THE MIRROR[/b] N'

nasking

3/06/2013 [b]THE HURTING AS OPPOSED TO THE HEALING[/b]

nasking

3/06/2013 TONY, SCOTT, JULIE AND CHRISTOPHER SEEM TO ENJOY [b]HURTING[/b] CREATING FEAR THEY ARE ADDICTED TO IT. THE ROT HAS SET IN. SADLY. I WONDER IF THEY RECOGNISE THEMSELVES...WHEN THINKING BACK...TO DAYS OF INNOCENT YOUTH? N'

nasking

3/06/2013 I SUSPECT THAT SCOTT MORRISON WOULD NOT HAVE RESISTED THE GROTESQUE HOSNI MUBARAK REGIME... HE COMES ACROSS LIKE SOMEONE WHO WOULD VILIFY AND APPROVE TORTURE OF COURAGEOUS DISSIDENTS. EVERY NATION HAS THEM. HE PROBABLY BELIEVES MURDOCH, CHANNEL NINE AND THE SHOCK JOCKS WILL PROTECT HIM...JUSTIFY HIS AWFUL BEHAVIOUR...CONDONE...SPIN... SCOTT LIES IN THE BED OF HIS OWN MAKING. CHANGE WAVE COMING. N'

nasking

3/06/2013 I WONDER WHY THESE COALITION HATE-MONGERS, FEAR-MONGERS, DOG WHISTLERS TURNED OUT THIS WAY? WHAT IS IT ABOUT THEIR BACKGROUNDS...THEIR EDUCATION...THEIR INFLUENCES THAT MADE THEM SO ROTTEN? I IMAGINE THE MEDIA HAS PLAYED A BIG PART. THEIR PAST JOBS. THEIR SCHOOLS. FAMILY BIGOTRY PERHAPS? THE WAY THEY WERE TREATED BY OTHERS AS KIDS? RELATIONSHIP WITH FAMILY MEMBERS? PERHAPS SPOILT...YET LITTLE LOVE, HARMONY, EMPATHY? N'

nasking

3/06/2013 LISTENING TO THIS ASYLUM SEEKER DEBATE IS LIKE DRINKING SLOW ACTING POISON. TOXIC AUSTRALIA...TOXIC. N'

nasking

3/06/2013 IF THE INDONESIAN GOVT...PRESIDENT...HAS DONE A DEAL WITH THE ANCIENT NEO-CON HENRY KISSINGER TO ASSIST THE AUSSIE COALITION... I DON'T THINK MANY PROGRESSIVES, MUSLIMS, MODERATES, DEMOCRATS IN INDONESIA WILL BE TOO HAPPY ABOUT IT. N'

Sir Ian Crisp

3/06/2013 [quote][b]Sir Ian Crisp. [...] I hope our friendship grows. I don't want it to become, me the "new Kid" in school, you the class bully. I don't think that is the case. I really do "feel the love" Thanks S.I.C.K. oh, bugger the full stops, I'm sure you wouldn't mind if I left them out eh SICK cornlegend [/b][/quote] [quote][i]Bob Macalba you said "for my 50th but am willing to fire them up if rupes snuffs it before then," The fires coming from Hell should warm up the surroundings If that happens, PLEASE invite me to your party cornlegend [/i][/quote] Seems a bit incongruous talking about friendship and love when you are full of hate. I named you ‘cornflaky’ and I was on the money. You sure come across as flaky. I am still congratulating myself for giving you that name.

nasking

3/06/2013 THIS IS ATTROCIOUS: Blue murder at Wittenoom More than 20,000 people lived in Wittenoom, including more than 4,000 children ― about 2500 under the age of 15. Add to this the family and friends who visited and then try to guess at the number of Aboriginal people ― who did not count after all, not even being included in the census. Lang Hancock “discovered” Wittenoom Gorge in the early 1930s, and in 1937 started mining blue asbestos from Yampire Gorge. In 1943, he sold a majority share to CSR Limited (ABA became a subsidiary) but remained as manager until 1948 when, according to a CSR Executive: “…the whole operation was so filthy that we got rid of him and managed the mine ourselves. In 1946, the Yampire Gorge mine was closed and the Wittenoom Gorge mine was opened. For most of the years CSR mined asbestos, the operation lost money and, when the mine closed in 1966, it had an accumulated debt of around $2.5 million (1966 dollars). The mine consisted of a number of stopes (tunnels) and a milling operation. The miners had to crawl in the hot dark stopes bent almost double, as many stopes were no more than a metre high, and choking with dust. It was 20 years into the operation before CSR Management even bothered to bore an air-hole from the surface to the mine to supply the miners with fresh air. Working conditions in the mill were even worse than the mine. The ore from the mine was taken to the mill, via an open conveyor belt, where it was ground down and the fibre extracted. The men worked in clouds of asbestos dust for hours on end, needing flood lights to see even at midday. There is no minimum safe exposure level, a minute at such concentrations is enough to cause lung cancer or mesothelioma. There is absolutely no question that CSR knew that asbestosis and cancer were extremely likely results of working in conditions such as those they permitted in Wittenoom. Their knowledge was established in the Victorian and Western Australian courts through the judgements of asbestos-caused injury litigation. By 1988, a Supreme Court jury found that CSR had been “recklessly indifferent” to the safety of its workers and that ABA knowingly allowed the processing of asbestos to continue even though the dangers of asbestos fibre inhalation were known as early as 1926. The court was being conservative, the dangers were expressed in 1898. (Refer to the ‘Annual Report of the Chief Inspector of Factories and Workshops’ , Part II. H.M. Stationery Office, 1898, pp. 171-172.) By 1918, overseas insurance companies had already begun to refuse life insurance policies for workers occupationally exposed to asbestos. However, this did not deter industry from mining and manufacturing numerous products containing various types of asbestos for domestic and industrial uses. In 1962, the matter was formally brought to the attention of the State Premier and Cabinet of the day (they already knew), but no action was taken because apparently CSR threatened to close the mine if additional restrictions were to be placed upon their mining and milling, and the Premier, Sir David Brand, was always a firm friend of the mining companies. So much for CSR and the Western Australian State Government’s duties of care. Some workers had been sent to Wittenoom as a result of the Commonwealth Government policy to place new migrants in work situations for a period of two years. There were Italians, Greeks, Finns, French ― it was a “United Nations” of immigrant workers, few of whom read or spoke English with any fluency... The concern for the Aboriginal people at the time is perhaps reflected in Lang Hancock’s statement in a 1984 television interview, where he suggested forcing unemployed Indigenous Australians – particularly “no-good half-castes” – to collect their welfare cheques from a central location... It is impossible to ignore that Gina Rinehart has wealth, power and influence, and this is built upon a familial indifference to the suffering of others that should be regarded, at the very least, as an act of criminal negligence, though, in the case of Wittenoom, it is more like manslaughter or murder. And, just in case you thought this was all in the distant past, as late as 1994 the Hancock group of companies still had employees working in the blue asbestos mine in Wittenoom. It took a specific Act of the WA Parliament to stop those operations. The Hancock family and its companies stated that they did not know and were not aware, and that, anyway, the Government allowed it. It is impossible to argue that Lang Hancock – during any stage of the development of the asbestos industry in Wittenoom – was not aware of his responsibilities. But his responses were typically: “That’s the price of progress” and “You can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs.” http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/blue-murder-at-wittenoom/ TRAGIC. MINING EMPIRES BUILT ON NEGLECT, INDIFFERENCE...TOXINS. NOW TRYING TO INFLUENCE DIRECTION OF COUNTRY. SHAME. N'

Ad astra

3/06/2013Doug Evans Thank you for your comment. Having now digested your 9.53 AM comment, some of it will feed into the next piece, one that an earlier comment of yours suggested. Complexity has always fascinated me, as has systems and chaos theories. In politics, there seems even more complexity than in most pursuits. For example, in determining fiscal policy, in addition to the economics, both local and global, relations with the States and other nations needs to be considered. Also the wants and needs of the electorate, and the ‘politics’ of every move and how it will affect voting at the next election must be factored in. Every move has to be calculated with multiple factors in mind, all of which influence the others, all of which have different weights. It must be an extraordinarily complex task to compute all those variables. Yet, armchair ‘experts’ make ‘learned’ pronouncements about government decisions (I mean decisions of any government), almost always without knowledge of all the factors. Journalists are particularly prone to do this. Their usual behavior is to demean government decisions as stupid, or unwise, or inept, based upon what they, in their partial ignorance, believe to be the correct decision. Their arrogance is breathtaking. Being able to pontificate from the sidelines without ever having to take responsibility for their proposed actions protects them from having to be accountable, because they never get to implement anything. They are armchair theoreticians, never challenged with actually putting their ideas into action. One particularly vexed area is asylum policy. We read and hear many an opinion about Government or Coalition or Greens asylum policy, but when have we read or heard anyone, anyone at all, propose a comprehensive policy that takes into account all the factors, all the variables, and proposes a complete solution, along with justification, the chances of success, and evidence that supports the odds of success. I’ve never seen such a plan from the other parties or the commentariat. People criticize bits and pieces of current asylum policy, but, to my knowledge, no one has ever offered a complete alternative. All of this feeds into the debate about what political blog sites ought to do, how they ought to be oriented, how ‘balanced’ or otherwise they ought to be, what purpose they have in existing at all. That’s for the next piece.

Ad astra

3/06/2013Catching up, nasking Tony Abbott will always play dirty politics – that’s in his DNA, if I may borrow a Liberal catchphrase. Abbott will turn the asbestos problem in the Telstra pits being used to lay NBN cable into another ‘pink batts’. Wait and see. nasking Your questions at 3.27 PM are apt. I would love to have the answers.

Ad astra

3/06/2013Folks [i]Essential Report[/i] this week is interesting reading: http://essentialvision.com.au/category/essentialreport

Catching up

3/06/2013"Lang Hancock “discovered” Wittenoom Gorge" Back in the dark ages, when I was still young, and probably not that interested in politics, I still remember a statement that this man made. He was talking about the mining and processing of asbestos, in his mines. He said it was bad luck for the workers, but someone had to do the job , as it was essential for manufacturing. It appears we could not live without asbestos. I also recall, the picture on those men in the blue asbestos plant, covered with asbestos. I am not sure who was the ugliest person today, Turnbull or Morrison. Hopefully the danger is not as bad, as being promoted. I suspect this is true, as the weather has been damp, that dug out, I believe is wet, and there has been very little wind. Not saying it is safe, but it is being presented by the media being deadly. Turnbull now out, stirring up more fear. Which he would keep to the facts. Telstra has taken full responsibilty. Telstra is doing the work. What Shorten knew or did, does not change anything. Yes, Telstra is fully responsible. Yes, Shorten wrote. Got three replies Telstra was on top of the matter. One would accept this, as they have been dealing with this problem for over forty years. I know of people, whose full time work, has been in this field for over seven years. That was long before NBNCo. Turnbull is setting a a very weak straw argument.

Catching up

3/06/2013 Turnbull is lying. He is saying these pits were very rarely disturbed. That is not true. I know of people who have been doing it for years. It was disturbed for the rollout of cable TV, among other things.

nasking

3/06/2013 SADLY, PAULINE HANSON SOUNDS LIKE A XENOPHOBIC DILL...A LIBERAL SHILL... MAKES ME THINK THE ENTIRE ONE NATION VS LIBERALS EPISODE WAS JUST A PERFORMANCE... I BEGAN TO SUSPECT SUCH WHEN HANSON SHOWED UP AT TONY ABBOTT'S ANTI-CARBON PRICE RALLY. I THINK HER MAKING AN ELECTION ANNOUNCEMENT ON THE DAY A GREAT ABORIGINE DIED SHOWS US WHAT A LACK OF EMPATHY AND DIGNITY SHE HAS... CONSIDERING HER RACIST ATTITUDES OF THE PAST. WHAT I HAVE NOTICED OF LATE IS THE UNFOLDING OF THIS PLAN TO TRY AND TURN INDIGINEOUS PEOPLE AGAINST SOME MIGRANTS AND ASYLUM SEEKERS... ANOTHER SICK EFFORT BY THE CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN COALITION, SOME MINOR PARTY AND INDEPENDENT CHARACTERS, SHOCK JOCKS, BIG BIZ TYPES AND OTHERS TO TRY AND USE THE FIRST PEOPLE AS POLITICAL FOOTBALLS. ANYTHING TO WIN POWER AND KEEP PROFITING...AND CRUSADING. I IMAGINE THE MAJORITY OF INDIGINEOUS PEOPLE WILL NOT BE FOOLED. THEY KNOW HOW FAR THIS RIGHT-WING LOT ARE WILLING TO GO...HOW LOW...REMEMBERING JOHN HOWARD RAGING AT THEM... SCREAMING "BLACK ARMBAND".... THEN TURNING ON ASYLUM SEEKERS AND THE TAMPA. POLITICAL FOOTBALLS. EXPENDABLE. EXPLOITED. N'

Catching up

3/06/2013I would suspect, once the fibre is pulled through, the ducts will remain undisturbed for ever more. It is known, that somewhere down the track, not that far off, the fibre will need to be taken to the premise. It is wrong to use what has occurred with Telstra, to stir up fear, purely for political gain. That is what the Opposition is doing. Telstra is using the same contractors and same methods for years. How do we know, this has not happened in the past. It would be hard to believe it has not.

Jason

3/06/2013Doug, First you asked me what I thought about Rodney Cavaller’s points and in short not much! He’s from NSW where under the last Labor period in government sub branches closed because MP’s couldn’t be bothered to even run them and in turn people decided to give up on them! And rightly so. I will accept what he says about there being two parties only because I have no experience with the NSW branch! Your second about the seat of Batman again I only know what I read in the press! But here in the seat of Makin (SA) we were told once who our next candidate was going to be only to tell party office No! We’ll decide that’s how we got Tony Zappia a former local mayor whose mayoral electorate pretty much took up the federal seat. I think the local branches should decide who the candidates should be despite the rules! In fact I encourage it. I will say that no matter the outcome of the next election Labor has to do some serious reforms because if we don’t the electorate will force it on us! We don’t need the scenes we see in Batman and for what it’s worth I don’t think Feeney should get it! You see Doug despite your “gotcha’s” peppered through your post, I don’t belong to a faction and I don’t seek a spot in either state or Federal parliament. So I’m not beholden to the “union bosses” because I’m not looking for careers so I haven’t much too lose by not kissing the right arse. As to Troy Bramston who I can’t stand and I think the feeling is mutual as I think he and his ilk are part of the problem with the ALP! We don’t have “tradesmen” representing us. We have careerist who went to school then uni to become a staffer then a member of parliament how do you represent a constituency when there are none in you ranks? Like the self employed the IT workers etc. As to the numbers of members the last ones I saw probably about two years ago was around 35,000, I know Bramston says differently but I know what I saw I’m a secretary of my sub branch and FEC! The numbers of my sub branch are good! We have 200 members and have no trouble getting volunteers, we have social nights BBQ’s etc because I want to encourage people to join, we just don’t meet once a month rubber stamp things then go our separate ways. As I've said before the ALP isn't a perfect beast and it has problems most of which were self inflicted by what I call the “Brampston” types! But the Greens still aren't a party of government! Hell you have your national conventions behind closed doors, probably because of some of the feral element that turn up with their wacky ideas!

lyn

3/06/2013Hi Ad, Thankyou for another magnificent article, you sure know how to woo our readers. Congratulations “Political hatred: its genesis and its toll”, :- [quote]over five hundred comments were made; forty people rated it, giving it a score of 4.9 out of 5; thirty five people made comments for the first time; and the editor of The Guardian in Australian classed it as ‘Best of the Web’ [/quote] In one paragraph you said [quote]“debate about economics to a personal attack, loaded with invective and abuse, which is what took place, hatred was fostered”. [/quote] Hatred has been fostered by Abbott and played out in every media outlet on every subject and every debate. We are seeing another instance today in Parliament on Asbestos. How can the NBN possibly, in any way be responsible for Telstra’s 20 (or more year old) line trenches. Ad your question: “[quote]what would happen if Murdoch were to call off his dogs”, [/quote] Mr Abbott would splatter into a crumbling heap. Some links for you:- Gillard chides Abbott on asbestos question @ 3.17pm http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/gillard-chides-abbott-on-asbestos-question/story-fni0xqi4-1226656284174 Asbestos found at three Qld NBN sites @ 4.32pm http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/asbestos-found-at-three-qld-nbn-sites/story-fn3dxiwe-1226656351100 NBN asbestos breaches breakdown in system @ 4.32pm http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/nbn-asbestos-breaches-breakdown-in-system/story-e6frfku9-1226656351113 NBN asbestos problems, 457 visas and republics - politics live blog http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/02/asbestos-457s-republic

nasking

3/06/2013 THE COALITION HAVE BECOME QUITE ILL SINCE JOHN HOWARD AND RUPERT MURDOCH CAME ALONG AND STARTED INFLUENCING THEIR PARTY... BOTH WERE THERE DURING THE WHITLAM YEARS... TONY ABBOTT WAS TRAINED TO BE AS SICK. ALAN JONES IS ANOTHER...ROTTEN TO THE CORE. I HEARD FROM A FRIEND OF AN INFLUENTIAL JUDGE THAT ABBOTT WAS BEING GROOMED FOR THE LEADERSHIP FOR MANY YEARS. TELLS ME HOW INSANE AND DESPERATE JOHN HOWARD, RUPERT MURDOCH, ALAN JONES AND THE OTHER COALITION ENABLERS ARE. YA KNOW THAT MURDOCH AND FOX NEWS HELPED SPREAD THE SICKNESS TO AMERICA... AND THE UK BY WAY OF 'THE SUN', 'NEWS OF THE WORLD' AND OTHER PAPERS...AND HIS HOLD ON THE LIKES OF THATCHER AND BLAIR...NOW CAMERON. I HAVE ALWAYS SEEN MURDOCH AS THE GOEBBELS OF THE FASCIST CORPORATE STATE... HOPEFULLY THE PUBLIC WILL SEE THIS...AND CHANGE THINGS. N'

nasking

3/06/2013 ABBOTT WANTS TO STOP THE NBN FOR MURDOCH AND PACKER'S FOXTEL... AND ABBOTT USES FEAR-MONGERING AND MINOR PARTY DOG WHISTLING TO DISTRACT FROM THE FACT HE WANTS TO BRING IN PRIVATE PRISONS EVERYWHERE... AND GIVE TAX CUTS TO MURDOCH, THE RICH MINERS LIKE RINEHART AND OTHER BIG BIZ SUPPORTERS... WHILST UPPING THE GST ON THE REST OF US... AND LETTING HIS CONSERVATIVE CATHOLIC MATES GET OFF FOR COVERING UP CHILD ABUSE. [b]OPEN YER EYES...SEE THE LIGHT...AND THE COMING SHADOW...THAT WE...CAN STOP...BY SHINING THE LIGHT OF SCRUTINY ON IT.[/b] N'

Tom of Melbourne

3/06/2013What a typically lame excuse from Ad Astra on asylum seekers. Has he ever promoted informed debate on the issue? Ever offered a critique? Will he allow Abbott the complexity excuse, when he acts with outrageous dishonesty? Yet more evidence that Ad Astra has lost the plot.

cornlegend

3/06/2013SICK, MAATE ! Glad to hear from you. "cornflaky", I'm very fond of that. Feel free to use it, although I have been called that before so it isn't "original" SICK, mate. But then again, I haven't come across anything you have said that is original. SICK, I'm one of the old "peace, love and conservation" hippies. Although, SICK, I do have my lapses. I hate what Abbott his right wing rable and mates have in plan for all. See SICK, I have kids and grandkids, so I fear for their future under Abbott. But this the old hippies love flows again, I love the fact that Bob Macalba invited me to his party. I love the fact that "Julia Gillard is a strong, intelligent, inspirational and determined woman" leading our country to a bright future. I love the fact SICK, that you and I are mates. Then, a hate comes over me when I hear and see what that Scum sucker Abbott, his rabid right mates and their puppet masters have planned. SICK, MATE I would LOVE the opportunity to get past the smalltalk, and you and I have a great discussion on the ABBOTT EVIL EMPIRE. I might even see if I can talk Bob Macalba into inviting you to his party. I'm sure Bob doesn't want you to remain a social outcast. Hows that for love SICK peace man !!

bob macalba

3/06/2013SICK......mate you are not paying attention, i hate only one group and their groupie chorus..'tory[bastards]'. uncle rupes made the list just by being an evil bastard full stop, feel free to contradict me about murdoch im sure a giggle would be well recieved ps...enjoy patting yourself on the back? you dont talk to yourself in the mirror while practicing your obvious wit do you? im betting you do and good for you, being friendless must be hard so thats why im not going to make fun of you about it as it must be awful that nobody listens to you...heres where i might be able to help you, a chap called Cornlegend is keen as to engage with someone as enlightened as yourself, im sure he would love to hear from you so good luck peace man

Doug Evans

3/06/2013AA Thanks for your comment. I look forward to your article and perhaps discussing it afterwards. Asylum seeker policy is a particularly vexed issue and I am not an expert. However I can venture a couple of observations. A good starting point in any serious political issue is to start by telling the plain unvarnished truth even if sensitive bits of the electorate are uncomfortable with what they hear. So here is a selection of what I understand to be facts about asylum seekers: How many asylum seekers? Approximately 835,000 people claimed asylum or refugee status worldwide in 2010. As Australia shares no national border with any other country and is far from most major conflicts, comparatively few people seek asylum here. In 2010, 8250 people applied for asylum in Australia, which is less than 2% of the total number of asylum seekers worldwide at that time. In comparison, over 180 000 people applied for asylum in South Africa in 2010; while 54 000 applied for asylum in the United States; 48 000 in France; 41 000 in Germany and 31 000 in Ecuador. So the overall problem here appears to be quite small relative to other countries. How do they get here? The large majority of asylum applicants arrive by plane. About 97% of onshore asylum seekers (roughly 8000 people in 2010) actually arrive in Australia by air with a valid visa and then apply for onshore protection through Australia’s humanitarian program at some stage after their arrival. Most of these applicants receive a bridging visa upon lodging a protection visa application. In most cases, the bridging visa allows the applicant to remain lawfully in the community until the protection visa application is finalised. The majority arriving by plane are not found to be refugees. In 2010 around 250 people arrived by boat (3% of the total). Of people who arrive this way the vast majority (between 70 and 97%) are found to be refugees. These are the people we currently ship to detention centres in Papua NG and Nauru to wait up to five years for their status to be determined. That seem fair to you? So the number of people that both the major parties obsess about is very small as a component of the total and nearly all of these are found eventually to be genuine refugees. How does Australia rate as a destination for refugees? Australia is performing creditably in refugee resettlement, with 11,080 refugees resettled from other nations in 2008-2009, making up 9.9 per cent of the global total of 112,442. The United States alone received 71 per cent of all refugees resettled in 2009 (79,937). But only 0.5 per cent of the 1.18 million new global asylum applications were lodged in Australia in 2009, the UN report adds. This means Australia is ranked 47th in the world as a refugee host country, granting visas to 22,548 refugees between 2005 and 2009 (0.2 per cent of the global total). However it is important not to confuse Australia’s overall refugee resettlement program with its disgraceful treatment of a tiny percentage of its asylum seekers. They are not the same thing. How much does our offshore detention regime cost? Offshore processing costs millions of dollars and causes immense harm to vulnerable people. Today in Australia there are people whose health and lives have been destroyed from their experiences on Nauru. Yet, we are embarking on this same flawed policy with renewed vigour and commitment. It will cost $2billion over the next 4 years to re-establish offshore processing on Nauru alone. We know now from extensive medical and academic research that indefinite detention causes harm. Indefinite detention in a remote offshore place has the capacity to cause lifelong damage. Budget papers reveal the cost of Australia's immigration detention system was estimated at $800 million in 2011-12. It says at current numbers, with approximately 7,000 people in detention, It will cost Australians $110,000 per asylum seeker in detention in 2011-12, and that cost has suddenly risen some 500 million in recent months. Does this seem money well spent to you? So this is a very expensive way to ruin the physical and mental well-being of very vulnerable people whose are here both legally and because they hold a well founded fear of persecution or worse where they came from. Here are a few myths about asylum seekers to think about. MYTH: Asylum seekers are illegal migrants. FACT: Firstly, migrants are people who leave their homes by choice; asylum seekers and refugees are those who were forced to leave due to violence or insecurity that may result from civil unrest, war, or persecution. Secondly, it is not illegal to seek asylum in Australia. The right of every person to seek asylum is enshrined in the UN Refugee Convention, to which Australia is a signatory. MYTH: Australia is soft on asylum seekers. FACT: We are the sole industrialised country in the world (out of some 44 countries) to have: • offshore detention centres (i.e. on Christmas Island, Nauru, Manus Island) • a policy of mandatory detention for all undocumented arrivals. MYTH: Australia is being flooded by boat people. FACT: We are not even close to being flooded. Australia’s borders are among the most secure in the world. The number of boat arrivals in Australia is very small when compared to the number of unauthorised arrivals in other parts of the world and Australia accepts only 0.03% of the world’s refugees. In the last 34 years, Australia has taken an average of 677.1 asylum seekers a year. At this rate it would take 149 years to fill the MCG once with asylum seekers coming by boat. MYTH: Boat People are Queue Jumpers FACT: “Queue Jumping” is a popular term often thrown around in the media and implies that Asylum Seekers cheated their way to Australia by not completing the processes in place to arrive in Australia on a valid visa. People seeking asylum are fleeing persecution. This means that they are often fleeing in haste, without the time or the available resources to apply for visas. However, more often that not the countries that people are fleeing do not have the facilities available to allow them to apply for protection in their own countries. In short, there is no queue for them to jump. MYTH: Australia already takes too many refugees. FACT: Australia provides just 13,750 places each year in total for refugee and humanitarian entrants to Australia. This figure includes all people who arrive by plane and by boat. Refugee and humanitarian entrants make up just 6.6% of the places in our overall permanent immigration program in 2010. That is the lowest it's been since 1975. MYTH: Asylum seekers don't need to come all the way to Australia to seek protection, they could stop in another country along the way. FACT: • There is no queue or processing system for asylum seekers who come from Afghanistan or Iraq. • There is no requirement under the Refugee Convention for a person to seek refuge in their first country of arrival. • For asylum seekers who make it to Indonesia from the Middle East, the available countries who are signatories to the Refugee Convention and accept refugees is very limited. Indonesia is not a signatory. In 2010 France received around 49,000 asylum seekers. They were detained on average 10.7 days. Canada received around 23,000 asylum seekers. They were detained on average 8 days. Australia received roughly 8,000 asylum seekers. They were detained on average 224 days. As I understand it the above are facts. How well understood do you think these facts are understood in the community? Whose responsibility was it to make sure that these facts were communicated? All of the above raises some questions. Broadly I think that it is worth asking: What is it that every other country that receives asylum seekers world wide understands that the politicians of both Australia's major political parties don't? Specifically Why is it that everywhere else in the world where the numbers of asylum seekers are far greater the problem is far smaller? Could it be that those unfortunate people arriving in our waters by boat are simply being sacrificed to the racist prejudices of a relatively small although probably noisy number of voters in the key marginal electorates of western Sydney? Does anyone here think it was merely co-incidental that when our PM went to inspect our coastal defences against the threatening hordes of queue jumpers that the lower house member for the relevant western Sydney seat Jason Clare (at the time a mere back bencher I believe) was visible on deck in the background of all the TV news shots. Now lest the good folk of TPS think that this is just another Greens slur against the current government 'long on rhetoric short on solutions' here is some 'opinion' from respected journalist Bernard Keane on the current treatment of asylum seekers: "There are some words one is loath to reach for in politics. Voters may not think it, but rare is the politician at the federal level who isn’t there, even in this benighted age, because she or he genuinely wants to do good by Australia. They may be utterly confused, ignorant or lazily unaware about how to maximise the national interest, but they still pursue it. As a consequence, daring to pass moral judgment on politicians can be hazardous and unfair. One may charge them with cynicism or opportunism, yes, but that is more a judgment on their tactics than on their morality. But, having paid close or not-so-close attention to federal politics since the early 1980s, I can’t do anything but conclude that the Coalition’s current stance on asylum seekers is the clearest example of outright evil that I’ve ever seen from a political party at the federal level." So they are both in it up to their necks. But we are probably not that surprised that the current version of the opposition would hit on such a policy. However shouldn't we expect a little better from a progressive party that emphasizes fairness and opportunity? AA you seem to think that the government panel to find a way out of this mess (incidentally a suggestion of Christine Milne's that the PM grabbed like a drowning person grabs a life belt) somehow or other validates current government policy if it can be called that. Ask Paris Aristotle, whose reputation they have utterly trashed, about the cherry picking of recommendations and the failure to implement others despite the clear warning from Houston that this should not be done and that if were the recommendations would not work. Ask yourself why the UN in always diplomatic language regularly and with increasing force has reminded us since the Houston panel that we are in contravention of our international obligations? No I'm sorry but the policies of this government in respect of asylum seekers are equally as immoral as those of the benighted opposition. Not only that but they have been arrived at via the most incredible series of premature panicked announcements that have further eroded the credibility of the government. Remember the Timor solution and all the other intervening solutions that came to nothing. The immorality of their actions on this matter has only been matched by the incompetence they have displayed. And to what end God help me. To placate a small but noisy number of racists taking their cues from Jones, Hadley Akerman et al in Sydney's western suburbs. Having started by recommending that the government should have approached the problem by telling the plain unvarnished truth to the people whether they found it uncomfortable or not. They should plainly then have gone on to examine how other countries have gone about dealing with the problem. Everyone has done it better than us. And then while continuing to placate irrational fears, got quietly busy implementing some version of what everyone else is doing. No drama. No fireworks. The Gillard government has done some things well and others less well. Overall Strangio may be right and the assessment of history might be more favorable than its most stringent critics would have it. However there is no defence that can be offered for the immoral, bungled mess they have made of policy in respect of asylum seekers that has been atrocious, a stain on the history of both party and nation.

bob macalba

3/06/2013Cornlegend... our posts are only 1 minute apart yet start of and finish the same, i only peck a couple of words a minute so had no clue what you had posted till after my own....freaky

nasking

3/06/2013 Should be: [b]I BET MR. CRUSADING ABBOTT IS A CONVENIENT FRIEND OF ABORIGINES POINTING THEM TOWARDS CATHOLIC BOARDING SCHOOLS, FACTORY FARMING, CASINOS, CORPORATE BOARDROOMS, CORRUPTING CORPORATE SPORTS, RESORT WORK, BIG MINING WITH ITS EPIDEMIC OF ALCOHOLISM AND SEXISM AND BREAKING FAMILIES...AND RUINING THE LAND. [/b]

Tom of Melbourne

3/06/2013How about you offer some evidence foe that Nasking? Rather than continually deride efforts to provide economic supp and jobs for indigenous people, you offer derision. It's about time you offered a policy alternative

Tom of Melbourne

3/06/2013economic support

Doug Evans

3/06/2013Hi Jason Thanks for your comments apart the gratuitous Green-smear. Good to hear that local branches still have some say in some parts of the country. So in SA there is no elite of Union functionaries calling the shots and disenfranchising local members as Cavalier asserts? I suspect that Victoria is probably closer to NSW than the situation in your local branch but I don't know. It is certainly not uncommon for anointed time servers who have toed the line to be parachuted into Victorian seats. Not just Batman but the former Roxon seat of Gellibrand is another recent example. Makin is a safe seat perhaps Zappia can hang on this time also. Don't have any authority for the numbers I quoted except Mark Latham. Glad to hear that you think reform is necessary I wonder if you will get it. I don't believe those who hold the power will relinquish it.

Jason

3/06/2013ToM, It's a bit rich isn't it that you ask Nasking "It's about time you offered a policy alternative" Don't tell me you said that with a straight face! that's all you do is offer "Derision" every day!

Doug Evans

3/06/2013Jason It seems I was too hasty in respect of seat of Batman. There will be a pre-selection process and they are lining up against Feeney. Perhaps I won't have the chief force behind the Jackson era in the HSU as my local MP after all. Praise be!

Catching up

3/06/2013Doug. I reckon a woman would be poetic justice in that seat.

nasking

3/06/2013 THIS FROM AN ABC SHOW CALLED 'DIFFERENCE OF OPINION' IN THE RUN UP TO THE 2007 ELECTION... [b]NOTE: JOHN ROSKAM IS A TOP CHARACTER IN THE FREE MARKET, LIBERTARIAN, CORPORATE HUGGING, FOUNDED BY LIBERALS IPA... INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC AFFAIRS[/b]...IS A LIBERAL PARTY THINK TANK... [b]THE SAME IPA THAT TONY ABBOTT SYCOPHANTICALLY SPRUIKED AT THEIR DINNER RECENTLY... AND KNEELED BEHIND RUPERT MURDOCH...AND GINA RINEHART...[/b] JENNIFER HEWETT IS A MURDOCH EMPIRE PUPPET WHO WRITES FOR THE AUSTRALIAN: [b]WOMAN: I wanted to ask, why has John Howard and his Government not had the foresight to invest in renewable energies and public transport instead of fossil fuels and nuclear, the logging and woodchip industry and roads? [/b] JEFF McMULLEN: John? JOHN ROSKAM: I'm not going to speak for the Howard Government. But what the Howard Government has done is it has delivered jobs. Ross's point is correct that until the rich countries sign up to Kyoto or some agreement there won't be any agreement, but as I said, Australia is 1%. If we really are going to cut emissions let's not concentrate on symbolism and let's work on better technologies to help China and India. The poor people of those countries are going to be the ones affected if we are dramatically cutting reductions. [b]WOMAN: We're the highest emitters per capita in the world. JOHN ROSKAM: That's because we don't have nuclear energy. [/b] [b]MARGO KINGSTON: How can we have nuclear energy tomorrow? Doesn't it take 15 years to build? [/b] JEFF McMULLEN: Let's pause for democracy. Another comment from the front. [b]WOMAN #2: I'd like to ask the panel - if the Coalition is returned at the weekend election, will the Prime Minister and the Coalition have a mandate to start dismantling the barriers to nuclear power in this country because it is not featured in the debate. I think we all need to know before we go to the polls on Saturday if the Coalition is going to steam ahead with nuclear power for Australia. BRUCE HAWKER: John Howard has made it quite clear that's an agenda item for the next term. He's said that. [/b] JEFF McMULLEN: Do you see it that way, Jennifer? JENNIFER HEWETT: No. BRUCE HAWKER: Well, he's said it. [b]JENNIFER HEWETT: I think this will a long-term project. I think he will make it possible but in reality nothing will happen for many years. It will cost a lot of money. Another election before anything like that happens. [/b] [b]JEFF McMULLEN: Margo, it has disappeared from the debate, it has disappeared from the discussion. Why is that? BRUCE HAWKER: It's alive and well in a lot of electorates out there when people start to wonder why[/b]... [b]JOHN ROSKAM: It's been a very effective scare campaign. BRUCE HAWKER: It was raised by the Government, it was raised by John Howard. It wasn't raised by anybody else than them. It was meant to be some sort of a lame response to the climate change debate. Now what they haven't done is get serious about an emissions trading scheme, about even giving us any sort of indication of what the greenhouse reduction level's going to be. They say they're going to do it but... [/b] JENNIFER HEWETT: Neither has the Labor Party. MARGO KINGSTON: 20% by 2050. BRUCE HAWKER: It's said, Labor has said - it's saying on greenhouse gas gases it's going to be 60% reduction of 2000 levels by 2050. John Howard hasn't even come out and said what that level's going to be. He was a climate change denier and he became a climate change sceptic when he saw the opinion polls. JENNIFER HEWETT: I do think that the Government has not handled the issue of climate change well. But you'll now see that both sides are remarkably similar in the approach they'll be taking when they go - whoever goes to Bali in December will be taking a fairly similar position, which is to say, we will not be signing anything unless we get agreement between all parties. That's a kind of quite radical change. [b]JOHN ROSKAM: It's very hard to have a debate about climate change, and Jennifer's right - it's been one of the key issues of this debate. But it's very hard to have a debate about climate change when you've only got one side. And when people who want to argue the economics and politics of climate change, or nuclear power, are labelled deniers... [/b] [b]BRUCE HAWKER: Well, have a go. [/b] ------- NO LONGER EYES WIDE SHUT N'

nasking

3/06/2013 [b]It's about time you offered a policy alternative[/b] I ALREADY HAVE. READ MY COMMENTS TOM OF EVERYWHERE. N'

Jason

3/06/2013Doug, I should have said we are not immune from time "servers" being foisted upon us, or any of the other problems that the "ALP" chiefs wish create for us. I think Sub branch members should take the time-honoured labor tradition of the disenfranchised and go on strike: withhold their labor and their financial support from the state and federal offices until a log of claims is met. We "sub Branch" members have a better idea who the public might vote for, and although I have no idea about Batman Ferguson had a high profile within the union/ALP Feeney is one of the "faceless" men who tapped Rudd on the shoulder! Feeneys role in Rudd's sacking is a distraction and a "clean skin" from the electorate is required as Feeney doesn't even live in it, yet another distraction!

nasking

3/06/2013 [b]Doug. I reckon a woman would be poetic justice in that seat. [/b] CU, WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT FEENEY...OR THE OTHERS FOR THAT MATTER? I WANT DETAILS. I LOVE THE ALP...MEDICARE, SUPER, AFFORDABLE...ONCE FREE UNI...PROTECTING WORKERS...HELPING DISABLED...PENSION INCREASES...NBN...TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES LIKE WHEN I GOT TO LEARN TO DEAL WITH COMPUTERS YEARS AGO. I LIKE THE GREENS TOO...BUT GREENS HAVE TO REMEMBER YA CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YA WANT... I INTEND TO GIVE TO THE ALP A WEE BIT OF MONEY THIS TIME...BUT I WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE CANDIDATES...NOMINEES. N'

nasking

3/06/2013 "Feeneys role in Rudd's sacking is a distraction and a "clean skin" from the electorate is required as Feeney doesn't even live in it, yet another distraction!" JASON, I AGREE. IT WAS A SILLY ANNOUNCEMENT...STIRRED UP OLD MEMORIES. A FEMALE CLEAN SKIN WOULD BE MORE POSITIVE. SOMEONE WITH REAL LABOR VALUES...BUT PROGRESSIVE ENUFF TO HELP MOVE US FORWARD. LIVES IN THE NEW WORLD...NOT ARCHAIC WORLD. N'

Tom of Melbourne

3/06/2013A kibutz swap with Israel! Brilliant, how about you pose a genuine way to help dispossed people out of poverty, rather than just sniping at people who are making an efffort.

nasking

3/06/2013 46. [b]URANIUM MINING "Producing a ton of uranium fuel can leave behind 20,000 tons of waste rock and more than 4,000 tons of toxic tailings salted with elements that remain deadly for hundreds of thousands of years. Tailings, which can contain 85% of the ore’s original radioactivity, release alpha particles from thorium- 230, lead-210, polonium-210 and radium-226.The radon gas released by tailing piles can travel 1,000 miles in a day." from "Nuclear Roulette" by journalist Gar Smith.[/b] http://ifg.org/pdf/Nuclear_Roulette_book.pdf

cornlegend

3/06/2013T.O.M. Today I went and bought a different deodorant. I'm not sure what is keeping us apart mate. I am feeling your rejection T.O.M. You don't call !. We hardly speak. T.O.M. I know I'm new here. Everyone has been welcoming. Except you T.O.M. I'm that bored waiting for you I needed a laugh, so I went and read Gina's poem again I'll bung it in here for you mate, maybe if you had a laugh too, you might renew our friendship. I went back and read your posts today. T.O.M. You are'nt going to get any awards for originality or wit. maybe Gina's poem will work for you. It did for me. I sat on the throne for half an hour. T.O.M. I realise you need zonks of time to come up with your posts[and T.O.M., I don't want to harm our mateship, but they ARE pretty crap. maybe Gina's classic will give you inspiration. {not the shits that it gave me.] Gina Rinehart Our Future The globe is sadly groaning with debt, poverty and strife And billions now are pleading to enjoy a better life Their hope lies with resources buried deep within the earth And the enterprise and capital which give each project worth Is our future threatened with massive debts run up by political hacks Who dig themselves out by unleashing rampant tax The end result is sending Australian investment, growth and jobs offshore This type of direction is harmful to our core Some envious unthinking people have been conned To think prosperity is created by waving a magic wand Through such unfortunate ignorance, too much abuse is hurled Against miners, workers and related industries who strive to build the world Develop North Australia, embrace multiculturalism and welcome short term foreign workers to our shores To benefit from the export of our minerals and ores The world’s poor need our resources: do not leave them to their fate Our nation needs special economic zones and wiser government, before it is too late. ps. T.O.M This is engraved on a plaque which is attached to a 30-tonne iron ore boulder located outside the new Coventry Square Markets in Morley. Morley is a suburb of Perth, Western Australia

cornlegend

3/06/2013bob macalba . Freaky alright. I figure SICK has brought out the love, peace and understanding in us both. Bob, you have to do the the matey thing. Invite SICK to your party ! You should have a good time, and SICK will have human contact.

nasking

3/06/2013 TOM OF EVERYWHERE MIGHT HAVE SHARES IN URANIUM MINING, NEWS CORPORATION, PRIVATE PRISONS, GANGSTA RAP RECORDING COMPANIES, FACTORY FARMS, CASINOS, DAM BUILDING COMPANIES, NUCLEAR POWER COMPANIES ETC... HE SEEMS VERY PISSED OFF. :) PERHAPS HE CAN ASK WARREN MUNDINE IF HE THINKS NUCLEAR ENERGY IS GONNA TAKE OFF HERE? OR JOHN ROSKAM OF THE IPA? OR JOHN HOWARD? TONY ABBOTT? CLIVE PALMER? BARRIE CASSIDY? PLENTY IN THE NUCLEAR FAMILY... [b]NUCLEAR FAMILY GATHER NOW[/b]... N'

cornlegend

3/06/2013bob macalba . Could you invite T.O.M. might get him out of the closet, and I will get to talk to him. T.O.M. where are you !!!

bob macalba

3/06/2013Now 4 corners playing the dog whistling game...'the police investigation that stunned Britain, South Asian gangs grooming young girls for sex and gang rape'.... i remember a UK Guardian story not so long ago that pointed out that a similar crime took place in the UK involving white men that barely got a mention compared to the same crimes committed by the Asian gang..hope 4 corners mentions something about that....just for perspective

Tom of Melbourne

3/06/2013I'm not pissed off Nasking, but with you thinking a kibutz swap with Israel being sensible policy for resolving the privations of indigenous people and Ad ASTRA so easily excusing dishonesty in asylum seeker policy, I'm coming to the conclusion that most here have no interest in good public policy.

Ken

3/06/2013Doug and Jason I have been following your discussion about the internal workings of Labor and the preselection process (and the need for reform - but that's another argument entirely). I largely agree that the local branches are usually better placed to pick candidates (except for branch stacking). On the other hand, there are times when I think I would rather have someone from the union movement than a professional politician - i.e. someone who has done nothing but work their way up through MP and Minister's offices. Those sort of people tend to know politics but little of "real life". The early strength of Labor was that it had people who came from working class backgrounds and had worked - Chifley the train driver a classic example. Yes, times have changed. Parliament now is dominated by lawyers, either union lawyers (Labor)or commercial lawyers (LNP). A bit more diversity would be good. As Jason said, former mayors can sometimes make good MPs because, at least they have had to deal with local issues and can bring that knowledge to a national agenda.

bob macalba

3/06/2013Surprise surprise after building up faux outrage through 4 corners..lo and behold the grand poobah of dog whistling[oceania division]..cory bernardi next on QA....coincidence? EYES OPENING WIDER

bob macalba

3/06/2013Cornlegend....they can come to the party if they want...now how do we talk murdoch into doing the right thing to get this party started?...mmmm

nasking

3/06/2013 I NOTICED 4 CORNERS HAS A DOCO FROM THE UK ON TONITE ABOUT A GROTESQUE SEX GANG WITH PARTICIPANTS FROM PAKISTANI HERITAGE... THESE ARE COMMENTS I PUT ON THE FACEBOOK PROMO: [b]Good to go after sex gangs...but why choose this group at this time? WHY NOT PREVIOUSLY? Plenty of other docos you could've used rather than adding to the xenophobia flames...I'm really beginning to wonder about who has taken over the ABC...??? Seems more than a coincidence you show this now whilst having Bernardi on Q&A, Kevin Andrews on ABC 24, SCOTT MORRISON FEAR-MONGERING THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS...Pauline Hanson making her announcement...and constantly showing the HATE in the streets of LONDON. WHAT GIVES ABC?[/b] [b]Don't get me wrong...it's an important investigation...we must have more related to the entire area of sex slavery and abuse...I'm just worried that it is going to feed into prejudices at a volatile time...and quite sus it was released in the UK during the height of the London anger...and BASHINGS of Muslims by extreme right-wingers...it reminds me of the same inciting of hatred campaign before the Brixton riots...back then Thatcher's conservatives used conservative papers including Murdoch's sun...and certain police to build up the tension to breaking point. I hope this hasn't got anything to do with Kerry O'Brien of 4 Corners being a Catholic...annoyed perhaps the focus is more on Catholic Church abuse.[/b] I HOPE I'M WRONG ABOUT KERRY... AND THE DOCO TIMING. SEEMS ODD TO HAVE JUST BEFORE BERNARDI ON Q&A. HMMM... N'

nasking

3/06/2013 [b]i remember a UK Guardian story not so long ago that pointed out that a similar crime took place in the UK involving white men that barely got a mention compared to the same crimes committed by the Asian gang..hope 4 corners mentions something about that....just for perspective[/b] BOB, TRUE... THE TIMING HERE AND IN THE UK IS SUS CONSIDERING THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS DOCO FOR THREE YEARS. IT REMINDS ME OF THE DIFF BETWEEN THE WAY MOST WHITE COCAINE USERS ARE TREATED COMPARED TO BLACK CRACK USERS. NOT GOOD. OBVIOUSLY THIS SEX GANG ARE A VERY BAD LOT...BUT COULDN'T THIS DOCO HAVE BEEN HELD OFF UNTIL POLICE INVESTIGATION, TRIAL ETC FULLY COMPLETE...AND THINGS HAVE CALMED DOWN. SOMETHING STINKS HERE. I HAVEN'T SEEN A FULLBORE INVESTIGATIVE DOCO INTO CATHOLIC CHURCH AND SALVATION ARMY ABUSE OF LATE... N'

nasking

3/06/2013 ABC QLD SHOWED NOOSE HANGING FROM TREE...RELATED TO A MURDER OF A POOR YOUNG LADY IN STH EAST QLD. BACK TO THE OLD DAYS... SOME ACTING LIKE WE LIVE IN GEORGIA, ALABAMA...TEXAS. SHADOW GETS BIGGER. ABC's MARK SIMKIN WHO WENT TO ABBOTT'S CATHOLIC SCHOOL PUMPING UP THE NBN STORY...GOING AT GOVT. MADE PINK BATTS COMPARISON. N'

Jason

3/06/2013Ken, I should have said Tony has been a member of the ALP for 30 years, but he didn't belong to a faction! "We" thought once an outsider was selected over our man we would fight for him to be the endorsed candidate because he lived in the electorate was well known etc! the only downside was he had to join the "soft left" which was better than joining the "shoppies"

nasking

3/06/2013 CHRIS O'BRIEN ON ABC QLD PUSHING NEWMAN'S VIEW FIRST ON GONSKI... STILL NO MENTION OF A GREAT ABORIGINE'S DEATH. PAUL HANSON GETS MENTION BEFORE HIS DEATH...AT LEAST EIGHT STORIES BEFORE IT. DISGUSTING! QLD ABC IS PATHETIC. TRULY PATHETIC!!! DEMONSTRATES RACISM IN THIS STATE...AND ABC. DISRESPECT. N'

nasking

3/06/2013 Should be: [b]PAULINE HANSON GETS MENTION BEFORE HIS DEATH...AT LEAST EIGHT STORIES BEFORE IT.[/b]

Ad astra

3/06/2013 Hi Lyn Thank you for your kind remarks and for your links. Abbott will stoop to any depth to make a political point. I predicted the asbestos matter would be identified as another ‘pink batts’ episode, and already it has. I was surprised to hear the panelists on [i]The Drum[/i], including Peter Martin, saying that it was appropriate for Abbott to make political capital out of this issue. How low has politics sunk in our country?

bob macalba

3/06/2013NASKING SUS INDEED..YOU COULD EASILY BELIEVE 'ORCHESTRATED'...WOULD THAT BE TOO HARSH CONSIDERING AUNTIES DENIAL OF BIASED [TAINTED] REPORTING.....FOR F@#$ SAKE AFTER THIS ELECTION AND JULIA GILLARD IS STILL PM, THEN THE CLEANOUTS MUST BEGIN, NOT LOOKING TO STACK IT WITH LABOR LACKEYS JUST WANT THE CATHOLIC CLIQUE GONE AND FAIRNESS TO RETURN..F#$% I HATE CORRUPTION

cornlegend

3/06/2013bob macalba you said "now how do we talk murdoch into doing the right thing to get this party started?...mmmm" IF, it were possible to get SICK, T.O.M. and Rancid Rupert locked in a room together, within 24 hours Rupert would top himself. Party time !

nasking

3/06/2013 YET ANOTHER LIBERAL WHO HAS BENEFITTED FROM MISERY: The pamphlet, ''The Truth About Craig Laundy'', lays out how the Liberal candidate for the seat of Reid ''made his fortune from gambling'' as a manager in the $500 million pubs and poker machine empire of his father Arthur. It also claims Mr Laundy quit as director of another gaming company a day before it folded into administration in October 2011 and two weeks before it emerged he had the backing of Tony Abbott to contest Reid. Gloves off: The ALP pamphlet, which will go to homes in the Reid electorate. Photo: Supplied In all his campaign material, including on the Liberal Party website, Mr Laundy refers to the ''family business'' but does not name it as the Laundy Hotel Group, half of which was sold to Woolworths last year to create a $400 million pubs and pokies group. The Laundy family still owns 32 pubs, including the Cat and Fiddle in Balmain, the Charing Cross at Waverley and the Belfield Hotel, which the Labor flyer claims ''makes $90,000 a week from poker machines alone''. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/labor-goes-to-town-on-laundys-pubs-pokies-20130602-2nk48.html#ixzz2V9L8SLa9 N'

nasking

3/06/2013 [b]SUS INDEED..YOU COULD EASILY BELIEVE 'ORCHESTRATED'.[/b] BOB MACALBA...REMINDS ME OF THE WELL-TIMED CAMPAIGN THAT CREATED HYSTERIA OVER THOSE YOUNG WOMEN BEING ABUSED BY A GROUP OF MUSLIM TEENS HERE IN AUSTRALIA... AROUND THE TIME OF THE CRONULLA RIOTS... ALL THAT MUSLIM BAITING...DOG WHISTLING...ÜBER NATIONALISM... VERY ODD TIMING INDEED. SIMILAR ATMOSPHERE. N'

nasking

3/06/2013 BOB, HERE IT IS: Conservative commentators such as Miranda Devine categorised the crimes as racially motivated hate crimes. The Sydney Morning Herald reported that the rapists had stated to a victim, during the attack, "You deserve it because you're an Australian" and "I'm going to fuck you Leb style". Two thirds of Muslim and Arab Australians said that they experienced an increase in racial vilification towards them after a number of events including the 11 September 2001 attacks in the USA, the Bali bombings, and these rapes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes WHY HAVE I GOT A HORRIBLE FEELING WE'RE GOING TO GET AN EXPLOSION IN THIS COUNTRY? SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY COMES. N'

jaycee

3/06/2013I think it is now quite legitimate to compare the propaganda insanity of the right-wing shock-jocks (as reported by BB. and others), sections of the OM. and the general right-wing supporters to the Nazi propaganda of the 1930′s. There is no other contempory archived resource that demonstrates so faithfully the journey from simple distortion of misinformation like the “liar” theme to what we have now with the deliberate and mendacious reporting of outright dishonesty for political gain. The tactics being utilised by the opp’n are..not perhaps, not mabey…but actually ARE completly identical to Nazi propaganda to sway the populace with downright lies. Turnbull would do well to re-assess his position in the company of such people. He will not emerge from this episode in Aust’ history with the decency he aspires to.

Curi-Oz

3/06/2013I have been considering the many viewpoints of those that are considered the "éminence grise" behind the LNP, IPA and the GOP in the US. And the thing that strikes me as a common denominator is that all these people seem to be compensating for something with the accumulation of 'money & power'. Yet because it never really fills the hole in their heart, these individuals keep trying to fill publically the black hole that keeps sucking the joy from life. I am fairly sure that this is a simplistic view. I don't need to be told that. It tends to make me feel sorry that they are so needy. Won't stop me standing up and trying to find a way to prevent them getting what they want, though.

jaycee

3/06/2013Modern media can be broadcast all over the place…social media et all…but it is TO WHOM such propaganda is directed that is the important observation. Social media as a major news-broadcaster is absorbed by a small minority..scandal and salacious gossip is uncensored, sure, but it is the intense concentration of lies and propaganda to the swinging percentage that does the damage…..you can bet your bootie the Nazi propagandists never sought to sway those whom they later persecuted. The entire purpose of propaganda is not to persuade the majority, but rather the percentage that matters most.

jane

3/06/2013NAS' SOME FACT CHECKING WRT nEWMAN'S LIES ABOUT GONSKI & SCHOOL REFORM. http://pmopressoffice.wordpress.com/2013/06/03/fact-check-qld-premiers-letter-regarding-school-education-reform/ AND IN CASE ANYONE THINKS THAT THE CURRENT lIARS' "CONCERN" ABOUT ASBESTOS IS GENUINE. https://twitter.com/TheAviator1992/status/341490913840857089/photo/1 Bishop J & the Liars rhetoric wrt "turn back the boats" called by the Indonesian Ambassador Nadjib Riphat Kesoema. Not a happy ambassador, it would seem. Bishop back pedals to save face. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-31/ambassador-says-indonesia-opposes-policy-of-turning-back-boats/4726842 Ad astra, the following is pertinent in light of the current hoo ha about asbestos in Telstra's pits & the opposition's faux outrage and attempts to blame NBNco & the government for the presence of asbestos in the pits. Turnbull seems to be going out of his way to trump Liealot for the most lies in the shortest time. Liealot, Bishop J and the rest of the Liars have never showed much concern for the victims of asbestos. https://twitter.com/Taxicoast/status/341508349029920768/photo/1

nasking

3/06/2013 CRIKEY! QLD REALLY IS BEING TAKEN BACK TO THE JO DARK AGES...THIS FROM INDEPENDENT AUSTRALIA IN JAN...I WONDER IF THIS IS MORE TO ADD?: Since the election of the Queensland LNP Newman Government on 24 March 2012 there has been a steady output of ideological revisionism aimed at bolstering the concept of monarchy in Queensland. These high tea warriors have: changed the Queensland government logo back to the Queensland Coat-of-Arms; named the new Supreme Court after the current British monarch; moved Labour Day public holiday from the historically traditional 1 May to the first Monday in October and returned the Queen’s Birthday Holiday to June; proposed changing Senior Counsel back to Queen’s Counsel (QC); and insisted Queensland pass individual legislation to ratify the royal succession change rather than a blanket federal approach. The hand behind these changes appears to be the Queensland LNP Attorney-General Jarrod Bleijie, the second-term Member for Kawana who turns 31 on 25 January 2013. http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/queensland-lnp-continues-to-spin-backwards/ I CAME BACK TO AUSTRALIA IN THE EARLY 80s AND FELT VERY UNCOMFORTABLE HERE IN QLD...MOVED TO SYDNEY AFTER A FEW MTHS... EVEN THO I HAD GROWN UP IN A CONSERVATIVE FAMILY I DIDN'T FEEL MANY QLDers WERE RECEPTIVE TO ANYONE DIFFERENT AT THAT TIME... MANY SEEMED RESERVED...AND CAME ACROSS AS HOSTILE OR INDIFFERENT WHEN I LOOKED FOR WORK. THEY WERE VERY OCKER GENERALLY...LOTS OF ABORIGINES WERE BEING MISTREATED...AND SOME FRAMED. THE BJELKE PETERSON GOVT INCLUDING KATTER WERE VERY ARROGANT...DIDN'T CARE ABOUT OTHERS WHO DIFFERED FROM THEM... CLOSING PARTS OF THE UNI FOR SPORTS FIT THE CONTEMPTFUL ATTITUDE MANY HAD TOWARDS HIGHER EDUCATION... AND THE SACKING OF THE ELECTRICITY WORKERS REMINDED ME OF THE MURDOCH, THATCHER ETC ATTACKS ON THE MINING UNIONS... AND THE SACKING OF AIRPORT TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS BY REAGAN IN AMERICA... I FOUND THERE WAS A FEELING OF FEAR AND OPPRESSION... AND THE POLICE WERE NOT TRUSTED...SOME BULLYING. IT FELT STALINIST... OR FASCIST...COMBINED WITH ALABAMA REDNECK. I DID NOT LIKE IT ONE BIT. ARE WE INCREMENTALLY GOING BACK TO THAT? I THOUGHT THAT AT LEAST BEATTIE ACTED LIKE A CENTRIST...FOR ALL QLDers. A SMARTER STATE UNDER HIM. SHAME ABOUT HIS COAL OBSESSION THO. N'

jane

3/06/2013Bugger, brain stutter. (as opposed to fart)

Doug Evans

3/06/2013Catch Up, Jason, Nasking et al Feeney is under real pressure in the Batman pre-selection. Emily's list is after Gillard to back a woman to get the quotas up. If a man is elected ther quota of women drops to 27% when the Party has undertaken to achieve 40%. There are apparently plenty of others who are not prepared to have this man foisted on them. read Stephen Mayne in Crikey Feeney under assault from all sides in Batman http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/06/03/feeney-under-assault-from-all-sides-in-batman-preselection/ NASKING JASON IS A BETTER SOURCE ON DAVID FEENEY. AFTER ALL THIS IS NOT MY PARTY AND I ONLY KNOW WHAT I READ. Ken It seems to me that the sort of Unionists that end up in Parliament these days are too often folk who always knew that is where they are going and only passed through the Union as a necessary stepping stone to higher office. Ditto Mayors and local councillors. Jane Garrett my former Mayor, now a State Labor MLC and climbing the Federal party hierarchy as quick as she can is a good local example of this. But I'm sure Jason is a better source on this than I. Have you met Garrett yet Jason? If not I'm sure you will. Too many damn careerists.

cornlegend

3/06/2013NASKING I find it hard to cop Ms Miranda Devine. At times I think I live in a parallel universe How nuclear passed its toughest test Miranda Devine The Daily Telegraph March 24, 2011 12:00AM FUKUSHIMA is the world's best advertisement for nuclear energy. The Japanese nuclear power complex is like a Tonka Truck. It's so tough that you can put it through a magnitude 9 earthquake and a 14m tsunami and it's still standing, with no armageddon in sight. After a couple of nail-biting weeks and hyperventilating headlines, valiant power plant workers - the "nuclear samurai" - are making "slow and steady progress" to bring the emergency under control. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/how-nuclear-passed-its-toughest-test/story-e6frezz0-1226026963030 REALLY ?

nasking

3/06/2013 Jaycee, you make good points...very worrying indeed. I feel we are on the verge of something similar to pre-WW2 if more people don't wake up...it feels like fascist corporatism coming after the unions, left of politics, pacifists, anyone dissenting and different. JANE, thnx...I'll check them out... good to see you. N'

bob macalba

3/06/2013NASKING FOR SURE A PATTERN STARTING TO FORM, MORRISCUM DOG WHISTLING AT EVERY CHANCE GIVEN HIM, BISHOP TELLING OUTRIGHT LIES AND BRANDIS TRASHING ALL THE RULES JUST TO BE PART OF THE SAME NOISE WHY CANT SOMETHING THIS BLATANT BE SEEN FOR WHAT IS? FRUSTRATING

nasking

3/06/2013 CORNLEGEND, I RECKON MIRANDA AND HER ILK WOULD SPRUIK CIGS FOR KIDS IF THERE BOSSES TOLD THEM TOO... BOSSES KEEPING THEM HAPPY IN THEIR PLUSH LIFESTYLES. OBVIOUSLY MIRANDA WOULDN'T GIVE HER OWN KIDS THOSE THO... ONLY FOR THE PLEBS' KIDS...EH? PERHAPS MIRANDA DEVINE SHOULD BUY PROPERTY AND LIVE NEXT TO THE PLANTS...ENJOY THE WATER AND FOOD? N'

nasking

3/06/2013 BOB, INDEED. YET ANOTHER NEO-CON STYLE BLITZKRIEG. WE SEEN IT ALL BEFORE. TAKE A BREATH. TIME TO HIT BACK...HARD. N'

bob macalba

3/06/2013Jaycee your comments about nazi propaganda and whats happening here and now is not far fetched in any way at all, its a thought and theory thats been going through my own head for a long time now and to be honest it makes me uneasy and a little frightened about how far it will be allowed to go. we do not need this sort of crap dividing our country

cornlegend

3/06/2013bob macalba You mentioned the Scum bag Scott Morrison This is one bloke that never learns Two years ago, even MSM had a swipe. He didn't learn just got worse. Peter Hartcher February 19, 2011 Sydney Morning Herald Ugly game of race baiting “SCOTT Morrison, the Liberal frontbencher who this week distinguished himself as the greatest grub in the federal Parliament, is the classic case of the politician who is so immersed in the game of politics that he has lost touch with the real world outside it.” Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/ugly-game-of-race-baiting-20110218-1azkt.html#ixzz2Pi770tm5

TalkTurkey

3/06/2013Jaycee, bob, reckon I could include Grasshopper, Yes I have long had a vision of a quasi-legal palace coup with Mad Abborrrrtt at their triumphant head, using a trumped-up excuse andthat's all he needs ! Leading a Roman Catholic cabal, connived at with, and enforced by, Catholic cops and Catholic armed forces. Job done then. Nobody CARES! Mark Simpkin should be muzzled along with his clone Tom Iggulden, they both ALWAYS spin an anti-Labor sting in the tail of EVERY report they make. It's what they do. I do so despise the ABC nowadays. They are a nest of traitors.

nasking

3/06/2013 DARN, I JUST REALISED I FORGOT TO ADJUST THE NAME OF THE DEAD GREAT MUSICIAN AND TEACHER FROM YOTHU YINDI. EARLIER IN THE DAY A SITE I'M CONNECTED TO FABORIGINES REMINDED US OF THE CULTURAL TRADITIONS IN REGARD TO THE PASSING OF SOMEONE... AND I RESPONDED ASAP BY DELETING A PHOTO I HAD UP AND OTHER POSTS. BUT I FORGOT THEM HERE BEING SO BUSY TODAY. PERHAPS AD ASTRA WOULD BE KIND ENUFF TO DELETE ANY POSTS USING HIS FULL NAME. CHEERS N'

nasking

4/06/2013 I DON'T BELIEVE THAT MARK SIMKIN AND OTHERS SHOULD BE SACKED BECAUSE OF THEIR OFT UNBALANCED VIEWS... NOR FOR THEIR CONSERVATIVE CATHOLIC UPBRINGING...THAT WOULD BE UNFAIR...AND VILIFICATION...AND DISCRIMINATION... I JUST THINK THEY SHOULD TRY TO BE MORE FACTUAL, OBJECTIVE...AND THERE SHOULD ALSO BE A VARIETY OF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENTS... INCLUDING THOSE FROM PUBLIC SCHOOLS...AND OTHER SCHOOLS AND BELIEF SYSTEMS. TRY A BUDDHIST...INDIGENOUS PERSON WHO BELIEVES IN DREAMTIME...A MUSLIM...A JEW...AN ATHEIST...AGNOSTIC...AND SO ON... I JUST THINK THAT HAVING ANY GROUP OF PEOPLE DOMINATE IS LIKE HAVING AN ELITE GROUP CONTROLLING OUR PLANET...OR COMPANIES...CONNECTED BY OLD SCHOOL TIES...OR THEIR TIME SPENT WORKING FOR A FEW INVESTMENT BANKS ETC... BUT I'M NOT INTERESTED IN STALINIST LIKE PURGES. WE JUST NEED MORE DIVERSITY. N'

DMW

4/06/2013Doug Evans, you may be a bit off the mark by suggesting that a 'party hack' was parachuted into Gellibrand. While Tim Watts has worked as an adviser to Labor on IT type stuff and in Conroy's office in the past he also has worked outside politics. He was a solicitor at Mallesons Stephens Jacques (now King & Wood Mallesons) prior to that and currently works for Telstra. As far as I know he lives in the next door electorate of Melbourne. In the strict sense of 'party hack' I am not sure Watts qualifies even though he surely had the backing of Conroy in the ballot of four (?) members contesting pre-selection.

jane

4/06/2013This is very interesting considering the hypocritical knee jerking Liars asbestos faux outrage. http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;db=CHAMBER;id=chamber%2Fhansardr%2F2006-02-07%2F0176;query=Id%3Achamber%2Fhansardr%2F2006-02-07%2F0000 Telstra may not be the villain it's being portrayed as wrt compensation for employees exposed to asbestos. In 2001, Telstra wanted to fast track compensation arrangements for employees exposed to asbestos, but were rebuffed by the then Minister for Workplace Relations. I wonder who that could have been? And as Howard knew about the pits in September 2005, Turnbull and Bishop would also know about them. Their rants are not only the height of hypocrisy, but egregious lies. All Liars are scum! Yet some still waffle on about the lie that never was, while deliberately looking the other way on the subject of the Liars hypocrisy and lies, more of which are being exposed every day. http://www.theage.com.au/national/abbott-rejected-telstra-plan-to-speed-up-asbestos-compo-20130603-2nm9y.html

TalkTurkey

4/06/2013Cornlegend U iz a bunny fugger! Your wooing leaves the relatively infra dig *quirky* far behind It makes it all the way into the rarefied realms of *DROLL*! :) I will give you a hint as to why the object of your desire is being so coy. He is SICK with love for you, but so shy that he dare not confess it to you with all of us looking on. Two hearts that might beat as one, if only they could come together just for a moment. A sad story of hopeless love, set in the infinite splendour of cyberspace. Poor SICK. And poor lonely Corny, there there. (Lest you perchance misread my irony about - I'm lovin' it. You are lots of fun.) I actually once wrote a story for Black Dog Institute about an [i]actual[/i] cornlegend. Might sound weird but it's true. I suppose now you're going to want me to explain.

Patriciawa

4/06/2013Go on, TT. You know you want to, anyway! And cornlegend can get to know you better.

Austin 3:16

4/06/2013It's a pity the name "political irony" is already taken - otherwise this article would absolutely fit the bill. To complain about hatred in politics while describing a politician as a vile liar is somewhat hypocritical

lyn

4/06/2013Today’s Links Asbestos: Dust Settles On The Low Moral Ground by @MikeSeccombe It came up because the conservatives decided they could make political capital from the fact that evidence has come to light that asbestos is being mishandled by contractors charged with rolling out the Government’s high-speed broadband network, the NBN. http://powerhouse.theglobalmail.org/dust-settles-on-the-low-moral-ground/ Blue murder at Wittenoom by @independentaus With the Government under fire over asbestos safety concerns concerning the NBN, it should be remembered that the Coalition’s hands are hardly clean when it comes to this deadly industry. With 60,000 people likely to die by 2030 from mining asbestos at Wittenoom http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/blue-murder-at-wittenoom/ LATEST INFORMATION ON ASBESTOS IN BALLARAT by @CatherineKingMP Telstra’s pit and duct infrastructure is being leased by NBN Co. As part of those agreements, Telstra is required to undertake remediation work before providing the pits and ducts to NBN Co to use. Under the agreements, Telstra and NBN Co are each required to comply with Australia’s strict Health, Safety, and Environment obligations http://www.catherineking.com.au/media/latest-information-on-asbestos-in-ballarat/ Health harms of asbestos won’t be known for decades @ConversationEDU Exposure to even a single fibre of asbestos dust can cause significant health problems. Every one of the six variations of the fibrous silicate minerals known collectively as asbestos have the potential to cause malignant lung cancers, mesothelioma, pleural plaques (calcification of the lungs), or asbestosis (pneumoconiosis, a type of lung disease). http://theconversation.com/health-harms-of-asbestos-wont-be-known-for-decades-14845 Telstra pledges strong NBN asbestos controls by @renailemay What this shows us is that much of Telstra’s physical network infrastructure hasn’t gone through significant remediation and modernisation works for decades. This is, perhaps, the real task facing Australia’s telecommunications industry, especially Telstra and NBN Co http://delimiter.com.au/2013/06/03/telstra-pledges-strong-nbn-asbestos-controls/ June 2013 Editor's Note ByJohn van Tiggelen The Institute of Public Affairs is a right-wing, free market–cheering think-tank that gets significant support from Gina Rinehart and Rupert Murdoch. No one outside of the IPA knows how much, but it’s a lot – enough, as Media Watch pointed out on Monday, for the IPA to spruik Rinehart’s distinctly anti free–market notion to create a special economic zone in tropical Australia. http://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/john-van-tiggelen/2013/06/03/1370217762/june-2013-editors-note Abbott strangles $20bn green investment – to save 50c/week By Giles Parkinson Queensland Premier Campbell Newman and others seeking to lay the blame for the state’s stunning 22.5 per cent average rise in electricity costs in 2013/14 on green energy schemes, glossing over the fact that the overwhelming majority of the bill increases come because the cost of the billions of dollars of network upgrades is being borne by the consumer http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/abbott-strangles-20bn-green-investment-to-save-50cweek-28651 Kohler blows smoke on the Australian dollar by @macro_business This is back-to-front. A falling dollar does not impact the terms-of-trade, which broadly measures the quantity of imports that can be purchased by a givenquantity of exports. Australia’s incomes surged from 2003 onwards because the price of the goods that we export – namely iron ore, coal, gold and LNG – surged relative to the cost of the things we import. http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/06/kohlers-blows-smoke-on-the-australian-dollar/ Garnaut cries from the economic wilderness by @1RossGittins In a much-discussed speech last week he prophesied that the easing of the resources boom would bring "hard times after more than two decades of extraordinary prosperity". http://www.rossgittins.com/2013/06/garnaut-cries-from-economic-wilderness.html In defence of Australian welfare by @MattCowgill Where we do have “middle-class welfare” is in the tax breaks that mostly benefit the rich. Concessions for superannuation are skewed towards upper-income households, and the wealthy also benefit disproportionately from tax breaks on things like negatively geared property and capital gains. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/02/in-defence-of-australian-welfare Julie Bishop, Indonesia, boats and Guardian Australia by @KathViner At 9.53am Bishop's office issued a media statement criticising the Guardian report as a “beat up”, meaning “exaggerated”, and stating that Bishop has been selectively quoted. The statement said:“The Guardian online has used my quotes selectively to misrepresent the Coalition’s stance with regard to people smuggling policy. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/insideguardian/2013/jun/03/julie-bishop-indonesia-boats-guardian?CMP=twt_gu New home, old fights: seeking the truth about asylum by @PolitiFactOz Today we make our first ruling related to asylum seekers. It won’t be the last. There can be no more contentious issue in the country today, and, in giving the Coalition’s spokesman Scott Morrison a Half True, http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/article/2013/jun/03/new-homes-old-fights-seeking-truth-about-asylum/ The Oz to Press Council: stick to your knitting by @mumbrella The newspaper went on to argue: “These are ominous times for free speech. Professor Disney and the press council need to concentrate on accuracy, fairness and balance, while crediting the public with sufficient intelligence to fathom their own assessments of opinion and taste.” http://mumbrella.com.au/the-oz-to-press-council-stick-to-your-knitting-159099#more-159099 The Crucial Contest for the Senate Balance of Power by @AntonyGreenABC Yet the flood of minor party registrations may yet reduce the Senate election to a farce, with voters left choosing between candidate they've never heard of on an oversized ballot paper they can't read because of its reduced font size. http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2013/06/the-crucial-contest-for-the-senate-balance-of-power.html Did PM lie, change her mind, or get wedged? by @btckr It is important that on 14 September you do not forget the misery that Mr Abbott has subjected this country to for the past three years, or more. And please, ask yourself why this man wants total control of both of our federal Houses of Parliament. http://thesnipertakesaim.wordpress.com/2013/06/03/did-pm-lie-change-her-mind-or-get-wedged/ The Turnbulls and an investment in the NBN… by @katedoak Now while Mr Turnbull did disclose the fact that his wife does own these assets, the fact that he didn’t disclose that the companies in question have ties to the NBN and other major governmental contracts is a major issue for concern given his position in the Shadow Cabinet http://www.thedeadlynewt.com/the-turnbulls-and-an-investment-in-the-nbn/ Quick-buck plan turns into electoral reform headache by Mungo Maccallum He said that he had heard the voice of the people - democracy in action. Actually he had heard the voice of the party heavies telling him to back off or else. http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4729766.html Australia’s FIVE AAA Ratings by @archiearchive I was so impressed that I made up a graphic, this morning, from the information I was able to gather and admit real economists may be able to do a better job.This makes me rather proud of our Financial and Governmental institutions http://archiearchive.wordpress.com/2013/06/03/australias-five-aaa-ratings/ Julia Gillard: set up for failure by @minkelCA Persons of lesser calibre would have given up but Ms. Gillard was awarded the ultimate praise, that according to Tony Abbott she refused to “lay down and die”. However it remains that Julia Gillard was…set up for failure. http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2013/06/03/julia-gillard-set-up-for-failure/ Q&A tonight: Bill McKibben on the same panel with LNP sceptic Cory Bernardi – more media generated false balance? by @WTDeniers In late 2012 Bernardi was forced to step down as LNP Party Secretary for arguing same-sex marriage would lead to bestiality. Typical of right-wing extremists, he thinks “Islam is a problem He is a one-man Tea Party, an enthusiast for nearly every fringe view from the extreme right. http://watchingthedeniers.wordpress.com/ The coal industry speaks by Gary Sauer-Thompson The coal industry and electricity network owners are in a situation where they have overspent on their network infrastructure (they've spent around $40 billion) and they now face difficulties in recouping their investment http://www.sauer-thompson.com/archives/opinion/2013/06/the-coal-indust.php#more Today’s Front Pages Australian Newspaper Front Pages for 4 June 2013 http://www.thepaperboy.com/australia/front-pages.cfm News headlines http://www.hotheadlines.com.au/

Ad astra

4/06/2013LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/LYNS-DAILY-LINKS.aspx

Mal Kukura

4/06/2013Here is what I think. I’m glad to be able to audaciously exercise my individual capability of free speech to respond to AA’s invitation to reply to his question: “What do you think?” I’m glad to be able collaborate here with other digital revolutionaries and reformers whatever their views on remedies for political hatred may be. We have a rare opportunity that we can savour now and especially over the next few months. After the Paris peace agreement had temporarily ended hostilities in the American Revolution in 1782, the print medium was used extensively by American revolutionaries and reformers to debate the issues that had to be comprehensively considered in order to construct the US constitution and the Bill of Rights that together gave birth to the mutant species of social systems that originated not only in the USA but before that in Athens, in Venice, Florence, Naples, in the Netherlands and in England before the American experiment could be designed. By now it has become quite clear that our political system here in Australia has begun to show its weaknesses under the relentless anti-democratic nihilistic sociopathic pressures applied by the greedy plutocrats and their Machiavellian political puppets of the LNP coalition. There is really a great danger in continued passivity at such a time when the cracks have begun to show and reinforcements are called for to preserve liberty by strengthened purpose built constitutional democratic institutions. Perhaps there is a much better reason that avoiding Chuck Windsor as our next monarch, for us to have a calm and reasoned discussion of how we might transition to a constitutional democratic republican social system which incorporates new safeguards to compensate for the weaknesses we can discern in the American system which although it has proven itself, after 220 years, is still a product of steam age thinking, as brilliant as it was – thinking that can hardly have anticipated the new requirements that we know from experience must be dealt with today in the age of electronic speed of light communications and accelerating rates of change of creative destruction due to innovations economic scientific political cultural and spiritual – and the glaring need for sustainable behaviours that are conducive to the civilizing process that has spawned the planetary civilization we share – that has been fraudulently attributed to puny greed and Darwinian “capitalism”. Seeing the Whitlam ABC doco the other night I was gratified to hear repeatedly that many Whitlam supporters in those times considered that the changes his government introduced had the overall result of Australia becoming an “adult” nation by declining to be a poodle for Kissinger and Ford after the deplorable treatment of other dissenters in South America on the other 911 – in 1973. If we became an adult nation then, the time has come for Australia to advance to the status of a middle-aged/mature adult nation now and to abandon the recents reversions back to the poodle status so attractive to spiritual/mental dwarfs Menzies, Holt, Howard and Abbott. The eloquently composed summarizing postulate offered by AA, that political ideology, the adversarial system of government, the quest for power, and the pursuit of money, all in their own way are capable of generating loathing and hatred, but none so powerfully as money - provides an articulate view of why this discussion of political hatred is so important to the Australia we must conceive, gestate, bring to birth and bequeath to our children and grandchildren. This composition is by no means intended to be an exhaustive treatment of the vast field that we now look out on but just a beginning. I am beginning by sharing my view based on my experiences in Australia and the United States. Soon after graduating from my university science and engineering studies and embarking on a career in the mining industry I departed for North America in 1972, a few months before the Whitlam government was elected and that is why I had no first hand exposure to the feeling that Australia had become an adult nation under Whitlam. My long and expensive “education” in America left me stripped of the infantile illusions I went there with that we and they are almost identical twins culturally. I learned that there are at least two Americas. A Jackal and a Hyde. But of course that was obvious to Abraham Lincoln when the civil war broke out and they slaughtered millions of one another. Now I know that there are many Americas. Strangely enough, we have become more like they than we were in 1972 – and the endemic political hatred now saturating Australian political discourse is one of the key resemblances re-imported by the LNP psychopath brigades prosecuting the cultural wars. Having witnessed that intense hatred in that nation of some three hundred and thirty millions I am convinced that the political hatred we have here has been exacerbated by sinister re-education training that has transformed the LNP goon squad into psychlonic replicas of the very worst characters that the United States has produced, and whom I witness for myself during my long and expensive American “education”. I still love America but I like it there on the other side of the Pacific - not here on this side. The choice we have might seem to be between constitutional monarchy and a democratic republican constitutional democracy of unique Australian design but it is not that simple. The real choice we have is between continuing on the path of decline in the present race to the bottom as the de facto 53rd state behind Louisiana and Oklahoma but without any senatirs or representatives in congress - or becoming a mature adult sovereign and independent nation - one among equals in the two hundred nations of the international community. If we have the courage to take our place as a real mature nation we may need to look again and see that today we are in a situation vis a vis the USA and the UK that is very much like the situation the Americans of the revolutionary era found themselves in vis a vis the imperialist British East India Company and the corrupt dynasty of mad King George in the late 18th century . They had the courage to act like a mature nation in 1776 when they made the declaration of their independence on the fourth of July. The Whitlam government informally declared Australian independence only a few years after the Liberal cowards Menzies and Holt had declared they would go all the way with the war criminal Ell Bee Jay. Since then our independence has been diminished until arrested in 2007 after the illegal invasion of Iraq and the war crimes of Howard Bush Blair and their gang. Kevin Rudd made a few tentative efforts at revival of Australian independence and the Gillard government has gone much further. On Sunday night I was struck by George Negus’ comment about the outcome and impact of the dismissal of the Whitlam government and the election of the Fraser government – after the treachery of Murdoch’s support for Whitlam in 1972 then the betrayal of 1975 – the first of a long line of betrayals that have become the ugly banal octogenarian’s trade mark. Negus said: “There would’ve been blood”. He was clever enough not to mention Salvador Allende. Julia Gillard has already successfully installed many more radical reforms than Whitlam did – or so it appears to me. The political hatred she has attracted to herself in so doing takes immense courage. I have little faith in the possibility of curing the hatred fear and loathing that go with the mental illness that has long ago infected the brains of Abbott and his gang of goons and secret financial supporters who have their covert mercenary agents deployed here among us on TPS. I do have faith in effective “REMEDIES” for that hatred – remedies that immunize the innocent, the civilized, the sane, the compassionate, the humane. If there are remedies that can cure the psychopaths who incubate and spread their filthy vile contagion they are yet to be formulated. Until they are, means will have to be established to immunize our civil society from the criminal element that has replicated like cancer cells since Harold Holt’s madness became evident from his acceptance of the genocidal sadistic hatred shown towards the indigenous populations of the former French Dutch English colonial possessions of SE Asia. Immunity will probably require quarantining of the infected subhuman herds. AA’s medical metaphor is quite appropriate here and I would add that it makes more sense when the pandemic of disease that has infested our nation is seen to be a pandemic of mental illness rather than a physical, viral or bacterial illness. The late 18th century discussions of the founders of the American republic were printed in various newspapers of the time and today can be scanned in the “Federalist Papers”. They make interesting reading. Forgive me please for fantasizing that perhaps here on TPS we are now composing documents that may someday be looked upon as of similar foundational value. I read the other day about Louis Rossetto (Wired magazine founder) and John Perry Barlow (Electronic Frontiers Foundation founder and lyricist for the Grateful Dead) who have both made significant contributions to the development of the freedom of speech in the medium of the digital technology we use here on TPS. They both seem to share the view that the internet is a divine gift fulfilling the vision of the French Palaeontologist and Roman Catholic (Jesuit) priest Pierre de Teilhard de Chardin - that computers, television and telecommunications would one day converge and create a “global brain” he called “Noosphere”. If only Tony Abbott had picked that up from the Jesuits instead of channelling the murderer and torturer Ignatius Loyola who devoted his life to his Inquisition and a holocaust to eradicate protestants and to fomenting the thirty years war that were the reactionary response to the Protestant Reformation, the Gutenberg information revolution, the Copernican scientific revolution and the renaissance. We are living in the era of another Reformation. I call it the electronic enlightenment. Reforms are vitally needed to build a sustainable humane planetary geo-culture. Australia can lead this global effort by showing the way to a sustainable global habitat and culture. We have already begun – the emissions trading legislation is a step on the path to a new world. A revival of the sustainable global habitat alliance of the 1990s is possible. Reconstruction of the integral planetary infrastructure of the economic civil political and cultural habitat is a lucrative economic undertaking that has the promise to fill the gap left by the collapse of the mining boom to provide economic and spiritual prosperity for a new generation of Australians. We can hope that there will be less fear and loathing-less political hatred in that new world and new sustainable habitat for humanity. People are what they are and the best of us are tempted to reject the ugly reality that in the world today there are still plenty of psychopaths who are capable of exactly the same genocidal and sadistic behaviours we associate with Nazis, Bolsheviks and Jacobins. We much never forget that such evil satanic people exist and that we must build institutions to immunize our civil society from them. We want to believe that human beings are malleable and that we must find ways to cure those who are afflicted with the mental contagion that brings on genocide, murder & torture. The really existing population of seven thousand millions are the ones we have to design for now and they are what they are and we must have the courage to transcend our illusions about them all being “basically good”. They are not. Only some are. Some are fundamentally evil and must be managed according to what they are rather than according to how we would like them be after remedies and cures. Doubters should visit Hiroshima and Auschwitz. Until remedies and cures are proven as they were for small pox we wait for the psychic equivalent of Pasteur. That is what I think and I have only just begun and must already apologize for the length and promise future brevity.

cornlegend

4/06/2013TalkTurkey To paraphrase that red head trying to get into Parliament PLEASE EXPLAIN ! {Pauline Hanson, not Julia} You said "I actually once wrote a story for Black Dog Institute about an actual cornlegend. Might sound weird but it's true. I suppose now you're going to want me to explain" bloody hell, cause I do !!. I need some thing to do with my time. T.O.M. and SICK don't appear to want to be mates. I sit by my keyboard, anxiously awaiting the blossoming buds of friendship to develop . I even tried psychic stuff to attract them. I sent out thought messages. Trouble is I seemed to misdirect them, and Bob Macalba and I had a thought collision instead. It was all good though, It was anti Murdoch. Still, Talk Turkey. I still live in hope. I even spent time going over T.O.M. s comments, so I better understood him, trouble is they just bored me shitless and sent me off to bed. I had better luck with SICK. I do see the start of a good mateship. He came up with a new name for me " Cornflaky" and was SO excited. SICK said, and I have to quote him directly, so you can witness his excitment " I named you ‘cornflaky’ and I was on the money. You sure come across as flaky. I am still congratulating myself for giving you that name." But Talk Turkey , unfortunately it wasn't original, I'd been called that before. But nothing ,it appears SICK says, is original. The good think is though, while SICK was patting himself on the back for this unfortunately unoriginal name, it seemed to give him some joy. I think that is positive. From, his message reply, I can almost sense a smile in him.as he came up with his unoriginal "original" name for me. Still, I feel the love blossoming. Maybe my experiments with psychic thought are working. I can't wait to share the love with T.O.M and SICK. If they are out there in the psychic webosphere getting my message, FELLAS, my message I'm channeling is "Julia Gillard is a strong, intelligent, inspirational and determined woman" T.O.M. and SICK, if you pick it up, lets talk sent with peace and love "CORNFLAKY" {he he he ]

Michael

4/06/2013Today's polls are so apocalyptic for Labor they simply can't be believed. Abbott PM? He's not up to it. recaptcha displays "nciliNo fight", which I'd pronounce 'no silly No. Fight!'

cornlegend

4/06/2013Patriciawa you said "Go on, TT. You know you want to, anyway! And cornlegend can get to know you better." So true ! I have this feeling that Talk Turkey may know a bit about this psychic stuff. I don't think Talk Turkey and I will have trouble being friends. We obviously share a thought for the poor, friendless, politically barren T.O.M. and SICK. Where Talk Turkey may be able to help me, is in how to direct my psychic thoughts, so I "connect" with SICK and TOM. So far I can't direct them properly. I collided with Bob M, and while I think he sounds like a great bloke, its not my aim. See Bob M and I see the world the same,or similar, an utter dislike for Murdoch, the rabid right, The Mad Monk and his cronies. My concerns are more for those who obviously are isolated, friendless, unimaginative, unoriginal, blinkered in their thinking, boring, and downright WRONG. That's why I need to channel TOM and SICK. I don't want them alone in there thinking. I fear, in their loneliness they could develop sick minds, Like ,Pyne, Gina, Rupert Abbott, Bernardi, Brandis,Bishop etc etc. I feel that in all good faith, as a fellow being of this great blue planet, I should try to prevent that. Paging SICK, Paging TOM, come in !!!

cornlegend

4/06/2013T.O.M. I am sick of waiting. Let's try a different tack, Penny Wong, whom I'm sure you will agree, is a powerful, compassionate Senator released a press release. Penny Wong Gillard Government’s Not-For-Profit Sector Freedom to Advocate Bill 2013 passed the Parliament, banning the use of gag clauses in Federal Government contracts with the not-for-profit sector. In 2008, Labor removed these clauses which were used by John Howard’s Coalition Government to prevent organisations from criticising government policy. “Gag clauses are a well-worn Liberal Party tactic,” Minister for Finance and Deregulation, Senator Penny Wong, said. “Liberals cut to the bone and then silence organisations who rely on government funding from speaking out.” However, gag clauses are currently in place in Queensland under Liberal Premier Campbell Newman, and, recently, New South Wales Premier Barry O’Farrell flagged his intention to introduce them into funding agreements with community legal centres. http://www.pennywong.com.au/media-releases/labor-bans-gag-clauses-in-future-federal-contracts/ T.O.M. Don't you think O'Farrell and Newmans policy is disgusting. I would love to hear from you, re this item OR ANYTHING of substance

Doug Evans

4/06/2013DMW You know more about Watts than I do. I think the term I used was anointed time server. Watts was definitely 'anointed'. According to The Age 'The seat is considered to be in Right-wing Labor Unity factional boss Stephen Conroy's ''PATCH'' with HIS CANDIDATE, Tim Watts, the earlier favourite. My caps. However in Watts' case as you point out, time server is perhaps a bit harsh. I note that Watts won the local vote and after the others had withdrawn, was the only candidate to meet the central committee. The Gellibrand local members therefore seem to have got the candidate they wanted. However I must say that the notion that seats are owned by factions leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. What I wonder would the central committee have done in this case had Kimberley Kitching (who came second) won the local vote. My bet is that they would have installed Hall anyway as the seat 'belongs' to Labor Unity and Conroy. I have no idea whether Kitching or Hall would be the greater asset in Canberra or who would better serve the voters of Gellibrand but my guess is that such considerations would not outweigh the feudal consideration that the seat belongs to Labor Unity.

Truth Seeker

4/06/2013cornlegend, you have proven worthy of SICK's nickname, as you are like the namesake cornflake-y a good health treat for breakfast to get a head start on the day :-) BTW have just posted my latest poem :-) for another kick along :-) Cheers :-) :-)

nasking

4/06/2013 FROM SALON IN AMERICA...A VERY IMPORTANT ARTICLE BY DAVID SIROTA THAT EXPOSES THE CORPORATE REFORMERS FOR THE CON-ARTIST THEY ARE...RIPPING MONEY OUT OF THE PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM...POINTING THE FINGER AT TEACHERS AND UNIONS...BUT CONVENIENTLY IGNORING THE TRUTH: In the great American debate over education, the education and technology corporations, bankrolled politicians and activist-profiteers who collectively comprise the so-called “reform” movement base their arguments on one central premise: that America should expect public schools to produce world-class academic achievement regardless of the negative forces bearing down on a school’s particular students. In recent days, though, the faults in that premise are being exposed by unavoidable reality. Before getting to the big news, let’s review the dominant fairy tale: As embodied by New York City’s major education announcement this weekend, the “reform” fantasy pretends that a lack of teacher “accountability” is the major education problem and somehow wholly writes family economics out of the story (amazingly, this fantasy persists even in a place like the Big Apple where economic inequality is particularly crushing). That key — and deliberate — omission serves myriad political interests. For education, technology and charter school companies and the Wall Streeters who back them, it lets them cite troubled public schools to argue that the current public education system is flawed, and to then argue that education can be improved if taxpayer money is funneled away from the public school system’s priorities (hiring teachers, training teachers, reducing class size, etc.) and into the private sector (replacing teachers with computers, replacing public schools with privately run charter schools, etc.). Likewise, for conservative politicians and activist-profiteers disproportionately bankrolled by these and other monied interests, the “reform” argument gives them a way to both talk about fixing education and to bash organized labor, all without having to mention an economic status quo that monied interests benefit from and thus do not want changed. [b]Meanwhile, despite the fact that many “reformers’” policies have spectacularly failed, prompted massive scandals and/or offered no actual proof of success, an elite media that typically amplifies — rather than challenges — power and money loyally casts “reformers’” systematic pillaging of public education as laudable courage (the most recent example of this is Time magazine’s cover cheering on wildly unpopular Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel after he cited budget austerity to justify the largest mass school closing in American history — all while he is also proposing to spend $100 million of taxpayer dollars on a new private sports stadium).[/b] [b]In other words, elite media organizations (which, in many cases, have their own vested financial interest in education “reform”) go out of their way to portray the anti-public-education movement as heroic rather than what it really is: just another get-rich-quick scheme shrouded in the veneer of altruism.[/b] [b]That gets to the news that exposes “reformers’” schemes — and all the illusions that surround them. According to a new U.S. Department of Education study, “about one in five public schools was considered high poverty in 2011 … up from about to one in eight in 2000.” This followed an earlier study from the department finding that “many high-poverty schools receive less than their fair share of state and local funding … leav(ing) students in high-poverty schools with fewer resources than schools attended by their wealthier peers.” [/b] [b]Those data sets powerfully raise the question that “reformers” are so desperate to avoid: Are we really expected to believe that it’s just a coincidence that the public education and poverty crises are happening at the same time? Put another way: Are we really expected to believe that everything other than poverty is what’s causing problems in failing public schools?[/b] [b]Because of who comprises it and how it is financed, the education “reform” movement has a clear self-interest in continuing to say yes, we should believe such fact-free pabulum. And you can bet that movement will keep saying “yes” — and that the corporate media will continue to cheer them as heroes for saying “yes” — as long as public education money keeps being diverted into corporate coffers. But we’ve now reached the point where the economics-omitting “reform” propaganda has jumped the shark, going from deceptively alluring to embarrassingly transparent. That’s because the latest Department of Education study isn’t being released in a vacuum; it caps off an overwhelming wave of evidence showing that our education crisis has far less to do with public schools or bad teachers than it does with the taboo subject of crushing poverty.[/b] In 2011, for instance, Stanford University’s Sean Reardon released a comprehensive study documenting the new “income achievement gap.” The report proved that family income is now, by far, the biggest determining and predictive factor in a student’s educational achievement. [b]A few months later, Joanne Barkan published a groundbreaking magazine report surveying decades worth of social science research. Her conclusions, again, came back to non-school factors like family economics and poverty: [/b] [b]Out-of-school factors—family characteristics such as income and parents’ education, neighborhood environment, health care, housing stability, and so on—count for twice as much as all in-school factors. In 1966, a groundbreaking government study—the “Coleman Report”—first identified a “one-third in-school factors, two-thirds family characteristics” ratio to explain variations in student achievement. Since then researchers have endlessly tried to refine or refute the findings. Education scholar Richard Rothstein described their results: “No analyst has been able to attribute less than two-thirds of the variation in achievement among schools to the family characteristics of their students.”[/b] [b]Then, just a few months ago, Reardon chimed in again to contextualize all of this. In a follow-up New York Times article, he noted that it is no coincidence that these out-of-school factors — and in particular economic conditions — have created the “income achievement gap” at the very moment economic inequality and poverty have exploded in America.[/b] [b]Taken together with the new Department of Education numbers, we see that for all the elite media’s slobbering profiles of public school bashers like Mayors Rahm Emanuel and Michael Bloomberg, for all of the media’s hagiographic worship of scandal-plagued activist-profiteers like Michelle Rhee, and for all the “reform” movement’s claims that the traditional public school system and teachers unions are to blame for America’s education problems, poverty and economic inequality are the root of the problem.[/b] [b]One way to appreciate this reality in stark relief is to just remember that, as Barkan shows, for all the claims that the traditional public school system is flawed, America’s wealthiest traditional public schools happen to be among the world’s highest-achieving schools. [/b] [b]Most of those high-performing wealthy public schools also happen to be unionized. If, as “reformers” suggest, the public school system or the presence of organized labor was really the key factor in harming American education, then those wealthy schools would be in serious crisis — and wouldn’t be at the top of the international charts. Instead, the fact that they aren’t in crisis and are so high-achieving suggests neither the system itself nor unions are the big factor causing high-poverty schools to lag behind. It suggests that the “high poverty” part is the problem.[/b] [b]That, of course, shouldn’t be a controversial notion; it is so painfully obvious it’s amazing anyone would even try to deny it. But that gets back to motive: The “reform” movement (and its loyal media outlets) cast a discussion of poverty as taboo because poverty and inequality are byproducts of the same economic policies that serve that movement’s funders. To understand this pernicious bait and switch that writes economics out of the education story, simply think through the motives.[/b] [b]Think first about how the dominant policy paradigms in America — tax cuts for the rich, deregulation and budget cuts to social services — exacerbate inequality and poverty, but also benefit the major corporations that fund the “reform” movement. Then think about how it isn’t a coincidence that the “reform” movement’s goal is to divert the education policy conversation away from anything having to do with poverty and economic inequality.[/b] You can tell that’s not a coincidence because unlike other issues, the topics of poverty and economic inequality will inevitably prompt a conversation about changing the underlying economic policies (regressive taxes, deregulation, etc.) that create crushing poverty and inequality. For corporations served by the existing economic paradigm and for the politicians and activists those corporations underwrite, such a conversation is simply unacceptable because changing the policies that create poverty and inequality potentially threatens their existing financial power and privilege. Thus, those corporations, politicians and activists in the “reform” movement do whatever they can — bash teachers, scream strong-but-meaningless words like “accountability,” criticize public school structures, etc. — to shift the education conversation away from poverty and inequality. [b]Reality, though, is finally catching up with the “reform” movement’s propaganda. With poverty and inequality intensifying, a conversation about the real problem is finally starting to happen. And the more education “reformers” try to distract from it, the more they will expose the fact that they aren’t driven by concern for kids but by the ugliest kind of greed — the kind that feigns concerns for kids in order to pad the corporate bottom line.[/b] http://www.salon.com/2013/06/03/instead_of_a_war_on_teachers_how_about_one_on_poverty/ INDEED. [b]THE CON EXPOSED TIME TO RISE UP...AND END IT[/b] N'

Glorfindel

4/06/2013Ahhh the halcyon days of 2007, the world was fair the mountains tall and one could “lurk” on many a blog and gain a sense of smug satisfaction at the foolishness of the right. As each and every poll showed their beloved Howard facing certain electoral doom their ignorance would show. “Nobody I know would vote for Rudd” and like comments displaying (as I thought) the limits of the blinkered conservative mind and its inability to either understand statistics or reality. How unlike the well noted intellectual superiority of the left I had thought. Alas how my smug and self-satisfied balloon has been so brutally pricked. It would appear that the left of politics is similarly smitten. How else does one explain Michael's recent utterance? Does he doubt the methodology of the polls, their rigour, the trend of previous polls – no – simply that their result does not fit his word-view. And as I recall my previous discussions such notions are well spread amongst the denizens of the ‘sword’. ‘Tis a terrible thing to realise that your side is as blinkered as theirs. It is a depressing thought to watch the lemmings line up behind their beloved Gillard and march the party to the cliff. Come September when most like the worst is realised there are many here that should be held accountable for their part.

nasking

4/06/2013 Doug Evans, STEPHEN CONROY HAS BEEN A DISASTER FOR THE ALP. I DO NOT TRUST HIM. I BELIEVE HIM IN THE POCKET OF THE CORPORATES...HE HAS HELPED SABOTAGE THE NBN...MEDIA REFORM...CHANGES TO GAMBLING ADS...THE LIST GOES ON. I HAVE NO TIME FOR HIM. WE GAVE MONEY TO THE ALP LAST NIGHT...BUT THEY NEED TO GET RID OF THE ROT. N'

Tom of Melbourne

4/06/201358/48 2pp. But here it's just the fault of the media. Hilarious.

Tom of Melbourne

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cornlegend

4/06/2013 SICK "Bornflaky", Now SICK, it was only yesterday that you almost knocked yourself unconscious with your backslapping over the very unoriginal, "Cornflaky" Mate, in the true spirit of friendship, you can call me anything. [Couple of exceptions though SICK, not right wing ,not Abbott supporter,or any connotations that may indicate support of the rabid right. } SICK, I really wouldn't want to attend your party.. It might be a bit early to organise it yet. People are waking up to the Lies, deciet, and downright evilness of the rabid right. If it happens, I guess you are hinting at the one Gina, Rupert the IPA and the assorted rabid right would hold, to allow them to call in all the favors owed by Abbott and his evil lot] You have now until September to practice your grovelling SICK. In the spirit of our friendship, I hope Gina doesn't have you in her sights as a $2 a day pleb I have this horrible vision SICK, of your party. A whole conga line of LNP, lined up , in reverence, to kiss Rupert and Gina's arse. Geez, I hope that thought turns your guts as much as mine. You know SICK, I don't think I've ever seen an evil righter SMILE. What a party with all those sour puss dimwits. The celebration ? would only consist of Gina telling Abbott who to ship to her "NEW NORTH", Rupert handing out copies of his newspapers, to try to stop the dying circulation, It won't be a fun party SICK. It will only be Rupert and Gina collection all the arses they had bought. You never know SICK. Gina and Rupert might put on a puppet show, pulling the strings of all the LNP they bought. Gina might even recite her poem. ANd SICK, I really would NEED TO SEE YOUR INVITATION, before I got too excited. The rabid right may be pathetic, evil, and ruthless, but MONEY is what counts To get an invite, YOU will need to have OWED them something Because this will be a calling in the favours party. IF you do go, SICK, even though the thought really turns my guts. Could you post a photo of you when its your turn to kiss Ginas big fat arse SICK. in your boring closeted world, you seem to have plenty of time. Get yourself up to date on Julias original statement, then we'll talk. And while we are building our friendship SICK, could you tell us what you sold to get an invite See SICK, I think this is another one of your "funnies" like "Cornflaky" or "bornflaky" I NEED to SEE the evidence of your invitation. I personally think that your "party" will consist of 3 people, you yourself and a mirror" But don't despair, there is love around SICK. Bob M, has invited, you. Take up the offer. You would meet real people. I await the copy of your invitation. from your {only} mate in the webosphere Bornflaky,,a.ka. Cornflaky p.s. I may not be able to respond for a few hours. I'm helping Bob put up the Party decorations. See SICK, come mate, first party, you'll see what decorations are, and maybe the occasional firework. As a first timer, fireworks can be scary, but I'll hold your hand {as long as you don't talk the drivel that you usually do SICK] Fire works are best watched in silence

cornlegend

4/06/2013SICK, You sneaky devil. I was just reading another site, and it said {"a form of developing "mateship in early Australia, was to hand out "nicknames,usually as a term of endearment } SICK, you are trying to develop our friendship, thanks. "Cornflaky" "bornflaky" see you ARE trying. I know it could be difficult, as a newcomer to the concept of making friends. I might, as a sign of affection try it too SICK, "SICKO," "SICKENING" "SIR SICK" Which one appeals to you. Now I don't want you to think too hard, it might give you a headache. You could ask your friend in the mirror for suggestions, to lighten your load. Have a good talk to yourself SICK, and see what others you can come up with. I'll give you till tomorrow mate, as it is a difficult job. And SICK, I like to give you some quote to pounder as you think. One from a right wing idiot, {a hero of yours ?} Donald Rumsfeld There are known knowns. There are things that we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don’t know we don’t know. – Donald Rumsfeld, regards your pal _ornflaky. you can fill in the blank

nasking

4/06/2013 [quote]The Whitlam government informally declared Australian independence only a few years after the Liberal cowards Menzies and Holt had declared they would go all the way with the war criminal Ell Bee Jay. Since then our independence has been diminished until arrested in 2007 after the illegal invasion of Iraq and the war crimes of Howard Bush Blair and their gang. Kevin Rudd made a few tentative efforts at revival of Australian independence and the Gillard government has gone much further. On Sunday night I was struck by George Negus’ comment about the outcome and impact of the dismissal of the Whitlam government and the election of the Fraser government – after [b]the treachery of Murdoch’s support for Whitlam in 1972 then the betrayal of 1975 – the first of a long line of betrayals that have become the ugly banal octogenarian’s trade mark.[/b] Negus said: “There would’ve been blood”. [/quote] [quote]He was clever enough not to mention Salvador Allende. [/quote] [b]Julia Gillard has already successfully installed many more radical reforms than Whitlam did – or so it appears to me. The political hatred she has attracted to herself in so doing takes immense courage. I have little faith in the possibility of curing the hatred fear and loathing that go with the mental illness that has long ago infected the brains of Abbott and his gang of goons and secret financial supporters who have their covert mercenary agents deployed here among us on TPS.[/b] I do have faith in effective “REMEDIES” for that hatred – remedies that immunize the innocent, the civilized, the sane, the compassionate, the humane. If there are remedies that can cure the psychopaths who incubate and spread their filthy vile contagion they are yet to be formulated. [b]Until they are, means will have to be established to immunize our civil society from the criminal element that has replicated like cancer cells since Harold Holt’s madness became evident from his acceptance of the genocidal sadistic hatred shown towards the indigenous populations of the former French Dutch English colonial possessions of SE Asia. Immunity will probably require quarantining of the infected subhuman herds. AA’s medical metaphor is quite appropriate here and I would add that it makes more sense when the pandemic of disease that has infested our nation is seen to be a pandemic of mental illness rather than a physical, viral or bacterial illness.[/b] The late 18th century discussions of the founders of the American republic were printed in various newspapers of the time and today can be scanned in the “Federalist Papers”. They make interesting reading. [b]Forgive me please for fantasizing that perhaps here on TPS we are now composing documents that may someday be looked upon as of similar foundational value. [/b] [b]I read the other day about Louis Rossetto (Wired magazine founder) and John Perry Barlow (Electronic Frontiers Foundation founder and lyricist for the Grateful Dead) who have both made significant contributions to the development of the freedom of speech in the medium of the digital technology we use here on TPS. [/b] [b]They both seem to share the view that the internet is a divine gift fulfilling the vision of the French Palaeontologist and Roman Catholic (Jesuit) priest Pierre de Teilhard de Chardin - that computers, television and telecommunications would one day converge and create a “global brain” he called “Noosphere”. [/b] [b]If only Tony Abbott had picked that up from the Jesuits instead of channelling the murderer and torturer Ignatius Loyola who devoted his life to his Inquisition and a holocaust to eradicate protestants and to fomenting the thirty years war that were the reactionary response to the Protestant Reformation, the Gutenberg information revolution, the Copernican scientific revolution and the renaissance.[/b] [b]We are living in the era of another Reformation. I call it the electronic enlightenment.[/b] [b]Reforms are vitally needed to build a sustainable humane planetary geo-culture. Australia can lead this global effort by showing the way to a sustainable global habitat and culture. We have already begun – the emissions trading legislation is a step on the path to a new world. A revival of the sustainable global habitat alliance of the 1990s is possible. [/b] [b]Reconstruction of the integral planetary infrastructure of the economic civil political and cultural habitat is a lucrative economic undertaking that has the promise to fill the gap left by the collapse of the mining boom to provide economic and spiritual prosperity for a new generation of Australians. [/b] Mal Kukura, WELL SAID. THERE IS A SOCIAL REVOLUTION, TRANSFORMATION GOING ON HERE GIVEN IMPETUS BY THE INTERNET THAT WILL BRING ABOUT A WHOLE NEW WAY OF LOOKING AT ISSUES...CONSTRUCTING OUR COMMUNITIES...OUR POLITICS. I BELIEVE WE ARE CLOSE TO THE END OF THE CORPORATE MAINSTREAM PARTY ERA...THOSE PARTIES THEMSELVES ARE STRUGGLING TO CONTEND WITH PUBLIC EXPECTATIONS...PARTLY BECAUSE THE MESSAGE IS CONFLICTED... WE HAVE STRONG VIEWS FROM THE INCREASINGLY NET EMPOWERED WHO ARE ENGAGED AT A DEEPER LEVEL WITH SOCIO-ECONOMIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AND EVOLVING THEORIES, MOVEMENTS... THE NET USERS WHO HAVE BEEN CAGED BY CORPORATE ADVERTISING AND CELEBRITY ADDICTION... AND THE LESS CONNECTED, FOR NOW DISINTERESTED OR TOO BUSY VIA WORK & FAMILY COMMITMENTS TO ENGAGE... AND OF COURSE, THOSE WHO ARE LIBERTARIAN AND THOSE PROGRESSIVE WHO SHY AWAY FROM THE NET PERCEIVING IT AS YET ANOTHER INTRUSION ON PRIVACY...AND/OR A TOOL OF THE CORPORATE,ENVIRONMENT VANDALISING ELITE...REMINISCENT OF ROMANTICS AND THEIR LOATHING OF STEAM TRAINS RACING ACROSS THE PASTORAL PARADISE...AND LUDDITES. THE AWAKENING IS GRADUAL...LIKE MOST CHANGE. MURDOCH CONSIDERS HIMSELF A CHANGE AGENT...THINK ESTABLISHMENT OF WAPPING FORTRESS. IN FACT, IN SOME WAYS HE STILL IS...AS WE RESIST HIS CRUD EMPIRE...THE MOTIVATION IS INTENSE... HE WILL BE SWEPT ASIDE. AN ARCHAIC REMINDER OF WHY THE AWAKENING...NET EMPOWERMENT...TRANSFORMATION HAD TO COME. N'

TalkTurkey

4/06/2013Corny, I'd go for *Sickly* Sounds so cute! I've always called him Limpy but he's always been SIC,(sic), as well as always having been, as you realize, er, [i]sick[/i].

cornlegend

4/06/2013TOM. I know you are ignoring me but YOUR LAST TWO POSTS.you said. in full, "58/48 2pp. But here it's just the fault of the media. Hilarious" was this the complete post or did I miss something. TOM. I have a Major concern with your humour {and mental stability} ""58/48 2pp" ? Humour me TOM which part was "funny" ?, or to use your word "Hilarious. But the one that has this old dog stumped is that column busting, riveting post, which I will quote in full "42" ????? were your fingers tired TOM ? Excuse my ignorance, but how would you define this ? funny ? Illuminating ? Newsworthy. ? TOM, to spice up this old fella's life, why not, in your next post do, say "41" or "37" or if you have the mental capability try to add a digit "167" Tell you what TOM. Your comments are riveting stuff. And you infer Ad Astra has "lost the plot" Well TOM, to develop our mateship, I'll send you another message. "1234" Who's lost the plot ? "763"

Crowey

4/06/2013Labor will not win the elections, when you look at the LNP, Katter's Aust Party, Palmer's Gang and now Hanson all of who are Conservative.s if need be after the counting of votes they will amalgamate to try and form government.

nasking

4/06/2013 [b]Come September when most like the worst is realised there are many here that should be held accountable for their part[/b] Glorfindel, SOUNDS LIKE A STALINIST COMMENT TO ME...PERHAPS ALSO A CONSERVATIVE RELIGIOUS ASPECT...INQUISITION PERHAPS? NOT SURPRISING FOR AN ABBOTT SUPPORTER. WE DO NOT FEAR YOU AND YER BLOWHARDING, THREATENING POLITICAL GOONS. GANDHI, MANDELLA, MARTIN LUTHER KING, THE SUFFRAGETTES AND MANY MANY OTHERS STOOD UP TO THE LIES,,THREATS, BULLYING... BECAUSE SOMETHING IN THEIR CORE COMPELLED THEM TO DO THE RIGHT THING... PERHAPS YOU NEED TO LOOK IN YERSELF GLORFINDEL AND TRY AND UNDERSTAND WHY YOU RESIST, ARE SCARED OF CHANGE SO MUCH...? WHAT DO YOU FEAR? YOU HAVE ALREADY MASTERED THE INTERNET...IS ACCOMMODATING NECESSARY CHANGE REALLY THAT HARD? RIDE THE WAVE GLORFINDEL...LEST YOU DROWN IN YER OWN BITTERNESS, DELUSIONS, HSTE AND SELF-PITY. RIDE THE WAVE... :) N'

nasking

4/06/2013 Should be: [b]RIDE THE WAVE GLORFINDEL...LEST YOU DROWN IN YER OWN BITTERNESS, DELUSIONS, HATE AND SELF-PITY.[/b]

bob macalba

4/06/2013SICK having a handfull of man fluids does not mean you are partying with 'thousands'

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4/06/2013Mal Kukura Thank you for you comprehensive response. Your conclusion is sobering, but perhaps the true reality: “[i]…Some are fundamentally evil and must be managed according to what they are rather than according to how we would like them be after remedies and cures. Doubters should visit Hiroshima and Auschwitz.

Until remedies and cures are proven as they were for small pox we wait for the psychic equivalent of Pasteur.”[/i] I look forward to your further contributions. cornlegend I see you are enjoying your interaction with ToM and SIC. Don’t be disappointed if they don’t reciprocate your good-natured fun. ToM often finds things ‘hilarious’, but that does not mean he has a sense of humour.

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4/06/2013Hi Lyn I’m travelling through you links. You started with a beauty – Mike Seccombe’s piece on asbestos. Michael Who knows what any poll means. Commentators simply guess. What we can be certain about is that Tony Abbott is not fit for high office. Bereft of slogans he is lost, and the strain is showing on his face, day after day.

Michael

4/06/2013Glorfindel, I DO doubt the methodology of the polls. Their information is collected in an outmoded and consequently narrowly targeted manner, delivered in comparative relation to figures from the last Federal election that was far from an average event in Australia's political history, and presented to us by media organisations demonstrably hostile to Labor. It is still my contention that the 'apocalyptic' nature of today's polls will not be matched on election night. For one thing, such numbers would deliver the Coalition both houses of parliament, and Australians know that the last time the Coalition controlled both houses the unmandated WorkChoices legislation was brought in. With that recent history in mind, I believe Australians can very readily see that "dead, buried and cremated" would blow away in the opportunistic wind of a government with no legislative restraints. That's why I don't "believe" that today's polls will match the election's voting. But above all else, I believe... Abbott PM? He's not up to it.

cornlegend

4/06/2013Ad astra I've always been of the opinion that, if you can start a little "battle" , just with a couple of the opposing forces, then, the real battle does not get thrown off course.[by distractions} My mate T.O.M. is playing hard to get. Still, the love shown on the Political Sword, will win and TOM and I will be, engaged, good mates. {I hope}

bob macalba

4/06/2013ToM 69 dude......was i any help? a lot sexier number than 42[IMHO] dont know either where your going with your post just thought i could help buddy peace bro

lawriejay

4/06/2013Orchestrating and fanning the hatred remains the province of Rupert Murdoch's Murky News. Interested watching the Whitlam programme on ABC Sunday night, to hear John Menadue (Whitlam's (Private Secretary 72-75) recall a conversation he'd had in early 1975 with Rupert Murdoch who told him that "there will be a federal general election this year (1975) he reassured Menadue that he had nothing to be concerned about with Fraser … you will be appointed the Ambassador to Japan." . Did Mr Murky have the ear of Kerr (was Murdoch Kerrs Kerr?), how did Murky know that there would be an election before things were in place politically to delay Supply? and how the Hell could Murky anticipate the appointment (by Fraser) of Menadue to Ambassador to Japan that took place in 1996?? Who is this man Murdoch ??

cornlegend

4/06/2013 Glorfindel I was going to respond to your post, but noticed Michael has already The current method of polling is on the now outdated and almost obsolete land line. This distorts the views of the young savvy mobile users, who overwhelmingly support the NBN The real poll is 14 th Sept. You may be right. I hope not !! you said, "It is a depressing thought to watch the lemmings line up behind their beloved Gillard and march the party to the cliff." I find it more depressing watching the average punter, being lead to the edge of the abyss by the "shock jocks" the MSM and their associates. You say, regarding Political Sword participants "there are many here that should be held accountable" I don't know if accountable is the right word, but I feel that they have made every effort to get the "facts" out, as opposed to the distortion, and outright lies of the LNP and their puppet masters Rupert, Gina and the IPA" I still hold a view, that before September, the masses will start to see through the lies, skullduggery and decepton foisted on the by Abbott and his cronies. Abbott has done a good job of hiding so far, but will inevitably have to face the public. And even after all that, even if the worst happens and Abbott wins, once his destruction begins, as in Queensland under Newman The Good folk of The Political Sword can where there buttons with pride. "Don't Blame Me I Didn't Vote For Abbott."

Crowey

4/06/2013I will have to stick to just reading the comments, and leave the blogging to the experts.

Glorfindel

4/06/2013My dear Micheal, Please the only reason, of any substance, you have given for your doubting of poll results is your own personal biases. Even that hoary old chestnut “selection bias” is yet to see the light of day. Although you made have made some sort of attempt in that direction, it is rather hard to tell. Your comment regarding “both houses of parliament” speaks woeful volumes as to your lack of any diligent research on the issue. Newspoll prefaces its question on voter intentions as “IF A FEDERAL ELECTION FOR THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WAS HELD TODAY”. How does voter intention in the house of representatives somehow translate to “both houses of parliament”? Morgan, and Neilsen also make clear that they are explicitly registering voter intent for the house of representatives (although to be fair Galaxy and Essential do not). That your personal distrust of the Liberal party does somehow translates into the voting intention of the general public at large is no more valid than any other personal bias and is no reason to doubt an opinion poll. You’ve advanced no reason more compelling than those rusted on Liberals did in 2007, the essence of your submissions on this matter echo theirs “I don’t like this poll therefore it must be wrong.” Above all else you believe that Abbott isn’t up to it. I can recall, in the cold light of hindsight, being assured that the voting public would never bestow the office of Prime Minister on “Little Johny” Howard, alas such succour proved most fleeting. And I see no cognisant reason that yours will prove more successful. And my good Nasking, I would welcome change, in particular the leader of the federal Labor party should be changed forthwith. But I fear even that change would be too late, still need brooks no delay yet late is better than never. As to being held to account, as things stand currently sycophants like those on the ‘sword’ will be in part responsible for one of the great disasters in Australia’s political history – an Abbott government. You benighted fools have been insistent that this course be set , the consequences must surely be on your heads.

nasking

4/06/2013 I just watched the 2nd part of the WHITLAM doco.... FASCINATING GOUGH, [b]HIS STRONG PARTNER MARGARET[/b] and others on his team...SUPPORTED BY SOME IN THE MSM...[b]PLENTY IN THE ALTERNATIVE MOVEMENTS[/b]...sure achieved a great deal of useful [b]CHANGES in a SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. [/b] They put in place the FOUNDATIONS for MOMENTOUS CHANGE...leading to MEDICARE...and the [b]TRUE EMANCIPATION OF WOMEN[/b]... the [b]BEGINNING OF A HEALING...A TREATY...RECONCILIATION...BETWEEN ABORIGINES AND THE REST OF AUSTRALIA[/b]... [b]IMPROVED PUBLIC EDUCATION[/b], TRANSPORT...RECOGNITION OF THE PROBLEMS WITH [b]OVERSEAS INTERESTS RAPING AND PROFITEERING FROM THE LAND[/b]... good stuff. It doesn't surprise me [b]MURDOCH[/b] was involved in bringing the WHITLAM govt down... [b]MURDOCH IS A MAN ON A NEVERENDING MISSION...[/b] [b]OF SELF-GRATIFICATION[/b] [b]CAUSING CHAOS...TO PROFIT...CONSUME...EXPAND...PONTIFICATE...BLACKMAIL...INFLUENCE...CAUSE CHAOS...PROFIT...CONSUME...EXPAND...PONTIFICATE...BLACKMAIL...INFLUENCE...CAUSE CHAOS...PROFIT...CONSUME...EXPAND...PONTIFICATE...BLACKMAIL...INFLUENCE...CAUSE CHAOS....PROFIT...CONSUME...EXPAND...[/b] and so it goes. Certainly WHITLAM stuffed up economically... but [b]STEALING AND CHOKING THE LIFE out of DEMOCRACY...??? RUPERT YOU OLD PSYCHO...THAT'S JUST NOT ON. Tick...TOCK...[/b] N'

42 long

4/06/2013How can the abbott lose. He has all the power of heaven PELL and earth MURKY and has a born to rule attitude and is MALE. EVERYTHINH FITS O glorious day, May the herald angels (Jones and Hadley) sing at the gates of heaven at election time. Like nuclear power for IRAN it is written in the scriptures.

Truth Seeker

4/06/2013Glorfindel, if you seriously believe (and I have my doubts) that the Abbott election would be "One of the great disasters in Australia's political history", then those that will be responsible are those who, like you believe the lies and spin being sold to them by the LNP and the complicit MSM. And we might suffer the consequences of that outcome, but it will be on the heads of those who vote for them, idiots like you I suspect? The only people that are and have been pushing for a change of leader do not have the best interests of the ALP, and that is obvious by the fact that it has been mainly the LNP and their supporters that have supported that position, and they certainly do not have the best interests of the ALP or in fact the country at heart. Cheers :-)

42 long

4/06/2013Regarding the favoured PM vote why wouldn't it flow with the block vote for the labor/lnp? I can't imagine anyone voring for the LieNP and giving a tick to Gillard as favoured PM. Anyhow having tried Obeid, the slipper fiasco. the thom(noP)son thing. The ever present Rudd factor. the rampant shock jocks, the asbestos thing and constant overemphasis on polls that no one would take a lot of notice of unless it had a power to paint a picture (which it does) not by facts but by the emphasis it can apply. When it is in labors favour , it is not reported. When there is success It is NOT reported. OK Rupert you power drunk manipulator, you may well win, but history will see you for what you are A self interested greedy person who lets no principles of decency get in their way, ever.

Michael

4/06/2013My dear Glorfindel, though we could no doubt argue the toss till, oh, I don't know, September 15, my only contention here is that the 'apocalyptic' nature of the numbers in today's polls is something I do not believe will be replicated on Election Night. Yes, my belief. Shaped by my disbelief in these polls. So, very much my opinion. Now, to have my cake and eat it, does anyone seriously believe that what appears to be a bone-deep determination by a lied-to Australian electorate to punish Labor would sweep through the House of Representatives but come to screaming halt at the doors of the Senate? Those poll figures are "apocalyptic" because they do not represent reasoned thought. They are Pavlovian reaction to the endlesely reiterated falsehoods and truth-shavings of the Coalition. This sort of 'thinking' will not be thinking about checks and balances in the government of Australia, it will be thinking only of dumping a Labor government it has been doing no thinking about at all. And thus deliver Abbott both Houses. With a Lodge and a Sydney Harbourside mansion thrown in. Which will comprehensively demonstrate exceedingly bad thinking from those who do so. As ever, this is my belief. It is also my belief that such thinking will actually be forced to rethink in the blowtorch days and weeks of an election campaign. Whether the 'nowhere to hide' days will clearly enough expose Abbott and his crew as incapable of being in government to enough people to forestall the Coalition forming a government, I can only hope, and act to ensure my hope is met. And to do that, never cease spreading my core belief about the Coalition. Abbott PM? He's not up to it.

Tom of Melboune

4/06/201358/42 2pp, but people here blame the media. Apparently they consider the public at large easily manipulated, in a way that the ALP supporters aren’t manipulated, only ALP supporters can see the truth! The stench to the government is the fault of the media, according to many here it has nothing to do with – • Dishonesty over carbon policy • Dishonesty and cruelty regarding asylum seekers • Pandering to the religious right over marriage rights • Having complete confidence in Thompson, until he’s kicked out • Lying to Wilkie to win his support for government • Appointing a proven sleaze as speaker • Mean treatment of single parents • Being way behind schedule on the massively expensive NBN • Knifing a popular leader • Having most of the caucus talent and experience on the back bench • Having a deeply divided party • Structural problems, with the ALP controlled by a group of self-interested union hacks and power brokers No…the problems with this government are all due to Murdoch and the rest of the media. That notion is hilarious!

nasking

4/06/2013 I IMAGINE THE GILLARD GOVT WILL LOSE... BUT [b]WHAT I FIND ODD[/b] ABOUT IT IS THE FOLLOWING: [b]GILLARD IS PERCEIVED TO HAVE BROUGHT DOWN RUDD... MANY HAVEN'T FORGIVEN HER...THINK SHE SHOULD PAY..[/b]. YET...[b]FRASER, THE QUEEN'S LACKEY AND MURDOCH ETC BROUGHT DOWN GOUG[/b]H... AND [b]FRASER WON A NUMBER OF TIMES[/b]... [b]EVEN WITH HIGH INTEREST RATES.[/b] HMMM... IF GILLARD LOSES...I BLAME IT ON MISOGYNY...AND DISTRUST OF WOMEN LEADERS... THE OBSESSIVE LEAKING AND STABBING BY FORMER AND PRESENT LABORITES... THE POWER OF THE RAPING AND PILLAGING BIG MINERS... AND THE FACT CHANNEL NINE, MURDOCH AND THE SHOCK JOCKS HAVE SO MUCH CONTROL. OF COURSE THE ABC, PUBLIC BROADCASTER IS OFT CONSERVATIVE...THEY USUALLY ARE. BUT THIS ONE UNDER MARK SCOTT IS ALSO NEO-LIBERAL...SNEAKING IN BRANDS WHENEVER IT CAN...ON ITS ROAD TO CORPORATE PUPPET. I MENTION CHANNEL NINE BECAUSE ITS INFLUENCE IS FAR MORE THAN SOME REALISE. ANYWAY, INTERESTING THAT MALCOLM DIDN'T PAY FOR HIS ACTIONS... BUT JULIA HAS TO. TELLS ME A LOT ABOUT AUSTRALIA. AND TO THINK AUSTRALIANS SEE THEMSELVES AS SHINING LIGHTS OF DEMOCRACY...BETTER THAN ARAB COUNTRIES. :) [b]TIME FOR REAL CHANGE AUSTRALIA...STILL A CHILD...HIDING IN THE BOY'S CORNER[/b]... THEN RUSHING OUT... ENTHRALLED BY ROYAL GAMES. TEA ANYONE? MARMALADE? STOLEN DEMOCRACY ON A SCONE PERHAPS??? FISH & CHIPS WRAPPED IN THE DAILY TELEGRAPH? N'

nasking

4/06/2013 [b]ANYBODY GET THE FEELING THE QUEEN IS A PACIFIER?[/b] SUCK AWAY...SUCK AWAY...THOSE GROWING PAINS...THAT ANXIETY. N'

Jason

4/06/2013ToM, This constant crap you write "Having most of the caucus talent and experience on the back bench" So party rules should be forgotten just because it's Crean Bowen Ferguson etc sitting there?

lawriejay

4/06/2013Menadue was appointed to Ambas Japan in early 1976 not 1996 ??

nasking

4/06/2013 WHITLAM...FOR ONE BRIEF MOMENT...LET THE PEOPLE OUT OF THE CAGE MURDOCH HELPED PUT AUSTRALIANS BACK INTO THAT CAGE QUEEN AS PACIFIER...AND ALL

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4/06/2013Folks If you watched Q&A last night, you would enjoy Tristan Edis’ article in [i]Business Spectator[/i] today: [i]McKibben vs Bernardi – science vs anecdote[/i] and the analogy at the end. http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/6/4/science-environment/mckibben-vs-bernardi-–-science-vs-anecdote

bob macalba

4/06/2013The polls are just bullshit, a distraction and unbelievably unbelievable...bullshit to feed the dickheads, Sept 14 now theres a believable poll until then news ltd can squeal all they want...looking forward to our own version of the karl rove incident when the fruitloop just could not comprehend the result, now ToM..that was farking hilarious

nasking

4/06/2013 NOW [b]JULIA HAS KNOCKED THE LOCK OFF THAT CAGE[/b]... [b]IT'S UP TO YOU[/b]...TO [b]MOVE FORWARD[/b] LEAVE BEHIND PRISON GUARD MURDOCH... AND THE PACIFIER

nasking

4/06/2013 MOST OF THE ABORIGINAL PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY NEVER LET THEMSELVES BE CAGED NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY WERE IMPRISONED ABUSED...SHOT DOWN...FED GROG... THE DREAM...LIVES ON

Doug Evans

4/06/2013JASON, DMW, KEN, NASKING SEE GUY RUNDLE'S RANT IN CRIKEY ON JULIA GILLARD'S ATTEMPT TO SHOEHORN DAVID FEENEY INTO BATMAN. http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/06/04/dear-labor-please-continue-to-treat-us-with-contempt/ NASKING DON'T LIKE CONROY MUCH MYSELF. HE'S CERTAINLY BEEN A BUSY LITTLE BEE TRYING TO MAKE SURE VICTORIA IS WELL SUPPLIED WITH CANDIDATES TO HIS LIKING. http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/01/27/mcguire-supreme-court-challenge-could-expose-broady-branch-stacks/ NOW I'M REALLY UP AGAINST THE BOUNDARIES OF MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE INNER WORKINGS OF THE ALP OR AS DMW HAS POINTED OUT PERHAPS ALREADY BIT BEYOND THEM. SO TIME TO RETIRE FROM THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE ALL CREDIBILITY VANISHES (IF IT HASN'T ALREADY)

nasking

4/06/2013 [b]Pandering to the religious right over marriage rights[/b] LOL. THIS COMING FROM TOM OF EVERYWHERE... THE MAN, WE ASSUME...WHO HAS SPENT YEARS TRYING TO BRING DOWN LABOR GOVTS IN ORDER TO INSTALL... TONY ABBOTT...OF THE...[b]RELIGIOUS RIGHT[/b] :) N'

nasking

4/06/2013 DOUG, YOU SPEND MORE TIME CRITICISING JULIA THAN ABBOTT... I WILL REMIND CONTRIBUTORS: [b]GILLARD IS PERCEIVED TO HAVE BROUGHT DOWN RUDD... MANY HAVEN'T FORGIVEN HER...THINK SHE SHOULD PAY[/b]... YET...[b]FRASER, THE QUEEN'S LACKEY AND MURDOCH ETC BROUGHT DOWN GOUGH... AND FRASER WON A NUMBER OF TIMES... [/b] [b]EVEN WITH HIGH INTEREST RATES.[/b] [b]WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE...DOUG?[/b] WHAT'S HAPPENING...[b]MAN[/b]...??? N'

Glorfindel

4/06/2013My dear Michael, Each and every election will deliver a result that is an anathema to some. “The only poll that counts is on election day” why in 2007 I lost count of the amount of times I heard that one, I did find it frightfully amusing at the time, somewhat discordant now. Is it really difficult for you to comprehend that a person my vote differently in the House of Representatives and the Senate. The poll figures represent no thought at all, reasoned or otherwise, they are not a result of conjecture or reasoning or analysis. They are merely a statistical snapshot of the voting intention of the Australian public at the point upon which they were taken. The days and weeks of the campaign, why the campaign has been going since January has it not? What will be different in the weeks to come? Apart from your earnest hope that things will be different? Karl Rove had the core belief that Romney would win in Ohio, Nate Silver had predicted and Obama win in that state. The pollster comprehensively outplayed the pundit then, I fail to see why it will be different now. There were those so certain of Howard’s victory in 2007 that a government would never lose in such prosperous economic times, that Howard’s skill as a campaigner would carry him home, Rudd’s sordid past would be his undoing etc much like yourself they had hope and precious little else My Dear Bob, The Karl Rove incident, when Rove ignore the polls based on nothing but his own biases and beliefs - surely not the best example for the point you hope to make.

nasking

4/06/2013 [b]Malcolm Fraser PM 11 November 1975 11 March 1983 Liberal 7+ years Julia Gillard PM 24 June 2010 Incumbent Labor 2 years, 345 days [/b] BOTH PERCEIVED BY MANY TO BE KNIFERS... [b]YET MURDOCH SUPPORTED FRASER. NOT GILLARD.[/b] WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE? N'

Tom of Melbourne

4/06/2013That's very entertaining Nasking. Perhaps people think Gillard was a little disloyal in knifing her own leader. When she and the hacks knifed Rudd, the ALP was in front 52/48. I wonder whether this is still regarded as 'lost its way'? Gillard has found a new direction - free fall.

Michael

4/06/2013Dear Glorfindel, This quote from your post above... "The poll figures represent no thought at all, reasoned or otherwise, they are not a result of conjecture or reasoning or analysis. They are merely a statistical snapshot of the voting intention of the Australian public at the point upon which they were taken." ...surely doesn't mean that you believe voters don't think about a question concerning their voting intentions? If so, what do you believe a vote is? As unthinking as apparently you maintain a statement of voting intention is? The polls, which aren't a "snapshot" except in the matter of their collection dates, present statistically collated thought through responses by individuals to questions. I can find the numbers unbelievable because I believe that given election campaign focused opportunity to really think through what electing the Coalition will do to Australia, a lot less people than the poll indicates now will do that then - vote Coalition. But I would never assert that polls' numbers are collated with "no thought at all, reasoned or otherwise" on the part of those polled. Why, that would make voters gullible fools! Who'd say that of us? Surely not you, dear Glorfindel?

cornlegend

4/06/2013TOM. you aren't answering me. Let me answer you, and TOM didn't your mum teach you about telling "porky pies" TOM, you said " Dishonesty over carbon policy" The gross dishonesty, TOM, is your right wing scum bag mates. “There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, is what Julia said as reported by the lying media, and to apparently you. what about her conclusion. "but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon”. So just so we are clear TOM, because I don't want to muddle you up by separating the comment. “There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon”. Julia Gillard Ten Network, Paul Bongiorno. Tom, you may struggle with the truth, but if you answer this, then we will move on to your next outlandish claim. TOM, keep telling these "porkies" and I may not want to be your mate. I'm beginning to think you may have "LOST THE PLOT"

jaycee

4/06/2013Cross Posted from PB. I believe the BIG, BIG mistake Rummel, ML., CC., and the other laxett and laxettes make here is to underestimate just who is now in charge of the ALP. It is not some one or a group of “collegiate” brothers..it is one WOMAN…get that into your thick skulls and be afraid…: One WOMAN! The Prime Minister has had to not only endure the most gross attack on her and her gender these last three years, but she has had to carry into the office, as any woman always must bear, the preceeding years of smug derision, patronoising dismissal and sexist slander, from any number of weak males. If you stooges and little boys fondling with your “peenies”,think for a minute that this strong, supremely capable woman couldn’t wipe the floor like a spanking-new squeegie-mop with ANY of the opp’n and those of her own party who would lay claim to the thirty pieces of silver proffered by Aust’s enemies AND still have capacity to freeze-dry and mount the LOTO’s testicles on a formaldahyde forehead of Rupert M….then you have sure got something coming ! I would suggest you “watch this space”!

nasking

4/06/2013 LISTENING TO TWO PRESENTERS CHATTING WHILST DIVISION IN PROGRESS COUNT GOES ON... ON AND ON ABOUT PROBLEMS FOR LABOR...ASYLUM SEEKER ARRIVALS...THE NEWSPOLL...ONLY MENTIONING THE TWO PARTY PREFERRED...AND GILLARD'S FIGURES... I THOUGHT I WAS ON SKY NEWS NOPE...I WAS ON ABC 24 BLOODY DISGRACE N'

nasking

4/06/2013 TOM OF EVERYWHERE IS STILL SORE BECAUSE ATHEIST JULIA OUT NEGOTIATED CONSERVATIVE CATHOLIC AND MEGA-SOOK TONY ABBOTT TO GET THE PMship. IT STILL GIVES ME CHUCKLES. I BET RUPERT CHOKED ON HIS CHINESE NOODLES. :) N'

nasking

4/06/2013 I BET RUPERT CHOKED...HAD LUNG ACHE ALL WEEK AFTER THIS ONE: [b]President Obama Wins Second Term In Victory Over Mitt Romney[/b] [b]Obama spoke to thousands of cheering supporters in his hometown of Chicago, praising Romney and declaring his optimism for the next four years. "While our road has been hard, though our journey has been long, we have picked ourselves up, we have fought our way back and we know in our hearts that ...the best is yet to come,"[/b] OH HOW I LARFED AND LARFED TOM. THE LOOK ON THOSE FOXY NEWS FACES. I SHALL TREASURE THOSE MOMENTS. I BET RUPERT HAD TO SIT ON HIS PORCELAIN THRONE FOR DAYS...DRIP DRIP DRIP OF DESPAIR TICK...[b]TOCK[/b]

Tom of Melboune

4/06/2013That’s yet another hilarious point. Some nongs still argue about whether the [i]”no carbon tax[/i] commitment is an example of dishonesty!! I don’t bother to argue about that one, because there are so many other examples of political expedience and dishonesty in Gillard’s carbon policy. • Before the election she committed – the reform will fail without community consensus. She promised to spend the term building community consensus. • After the election she abandoned any notion of building consensus. • Before the election she promised a representative forum on carbon policy. • After the election she decided that it wasn’t needed. • Before the election she said the change wouldn’t be introduced before June 13. • After the election she abandoned the promise. • Before the election she tried to politically neutralise carbon policy • After the election the government talks it up at every opportunity Really, there is so much dishonesty in this Prime Minister, there is no need to even bother to debate the “no carbon tax commitment”. Barrackers can have that one.

Austin 3:16

4/06/2013Hey NASKING, IF YOU WANT A WEIRD CONSPIRACY THEORY THERE ARE CLAIMS ON LINE THAT THE HACKTIVIST GROUP ANONYMOUS PREVENTED ELECTORAL FRAUD IN THE USA

Tom of Melboune

4/06/2013In knifing Rudd, Gillard nominated 3 policy areas that represented the “lost way” • Asylum seekers – hasn’t that been a huge success. • MRRT – Gillard and Swan came up with one that has raised about $0 • Carbon policy – see above. The specific reasons provided by Gillard for knifing Rudd have all proved to be crap/dishonest. Gillard is a failure on the criteria she set herself..

nasking

4/06/2013 KEEP IT COMING TOM OF EVERYWHERE...I'M ENJOYING THIS. JUST LIKE WHEN RUPERT GOT TUMMY ACHE ALL MONTH BECAUSE THE UK TORY TEAM HE BACKED ONLY MANAGED TO GET IN WITH THE HELP OF THE LIBERAL DEMOCRATS... IT WAS HILARIOUS TO WATCH... AFTER ALL THOSE LABOUR YEARS...ALL THE TORIES COULD MANAGE WITH RUPERT'S HELP WAS A CANOODLING WITH THE LIB DEMS. AT LEAST JULIA GOT THE HELP OF GREENS. OUCH! HOW THAT MUST HAVE STUNG EH? RUPERT MUST HAVE FELT LIKE HE'D BEEN STUNG BY BEES. GREEN AND RED BEES. THE SMILE I HAD WAS WIDE. :) N'

nasking

4/06/2013 TOM OF EVERYWHERE...HOW MUCH FUN WAS THIS IN 2009?: [b]Anna Bligh claims historic win in Queensland election[/b] [b]Ms Bligh created history last night, defying every opinion poll, to win the Queensland election and earn the Labor Party a fifth consecutive term.[/b] [b]The defeat for LNP leader Lawrence Springborg – his third after two to Ms Bligh's predecessor Peter Beattie – saw him signal an end to his leadership.[/b] THE COURIER MAIL...MARCH 22, 2009 THAT WAS SO MUCH FUN...AFTER SOOO MANY YEARS OF LABOR IN QLD...THE SMART STATE...BLIGH PULLED OFF THIS ONE...SURE, IT WAS INEVITABLE SHE'D GO THE NEXT... BUT TO PULL THIS ONE OFF...BRILLIANT! I ROARED WITH LAUGHTER... I BET RUPERT KEPT GETTING DIZZY SPELLS...THINKING HE WAS FALLING INTO A BIG HOLE...FOLLOWED BY HIS PAPERS. OH WE CELEBRATED THAT NIGHT I CAN TELL YOU. :) N'

nasking

4/06/2013 TOM OF EVERYWHERE...WASN'T THIS A GREAT MOMENT IN 2008?: [b]Obama wins, first black president[/b] [b]Supporters cheer as they gather in Grant Park for the election night party for Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in Chicago, Tuesday night, Nov. 4, 2008.[/b] http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/obama-wins-first-black-president/article_982503bb-030e-5d8d-828a-a938f642d496.html?mode=image&photo=0 OH BOY THAT WAS A GOODIE... HOW WE CHEERED AND CHEERED TOM... I BET RUPERT SPEWED...THE HORROR...THE HORROR... WE HIGH-FIVED AND LARFED AND LARFED TOM...LARFED AND CHEERED. N'

bob macalba

4/06/2013AND WE LARFED http://vimeo.com/53241478 AND LARFED

nasking

4/06/2013 OOOH YEA!!! THIS WAS THE BEGINNING OF OUR TIME OF CHANGE...THIS ONE TOM GAVE ME HOPE... WE PUMPED FISTS OVER THIS ONE...BIG SMILES: The 2006 United States midterm elections were held on Tuesday, November 7, 2006. The election resulted in a sweeping victory for the Democratic Party which captured the House of Representatives, the Senate, and a majority of governorships and state legislatures from the Republican Party. The victory of the Democratic Party in the 2006 Congressional elections was a major milestone for an additional reason: it saw the election of the first woman to serve as the Speaker of the House. Nancy Pelosi, the leader of the Democrats in the House of Representatives, became the highest-ranking woman in the history of the government of the United States upon her election as Speaker in January 2007. In the United States, the Speaker is not only the presiding officer and leader of the majority party, the Speaker also directly follows the Vice President of the United States in the line of succession to the presidency. It was also the first election in U.S. history in which the losses for one side were so lopsided that the victorious party did not lose a single incumbent or open seat in Congress or governor's mansion. Reasons for the Democratic party takeover include the decline of the public image of George W. Bush, the dissatisfaction of the handling of both Hurricane Katrina and the War in Iraq, Bush's legislative defeat regarding Social Security Reform, and the culture of corruption, which were the series of scandals in 2006 involving Republican politicians. Wikipedia AND THEN NEXT MID-TERMS IN 2010 WE HELD OFF THE TOXIC TEA PARTY IN THE SENATE... OH GAWD I HAD A GOOD LONG CHUCKLE OVER THAT ONE TOM...A GOOD LONG CHUCKLE... I BET BOTH TIMES RUPERT'S TALONS CRAMPED...OUCH!!! SO...EVEN [b]IF YOU WIN[/b] THIS TIME TOM OF EVERYWHERE... JUST KNOW IT IS A HOLLOW VICTORY... AND I MEAN [b]'IF[/b]' SOME OF US THINK LONG-TERM... ENJOY THE NEXT FEW MONTHS :) TICK...TOCK N'

nasking

4/06/2013 TOM OF EVERYWHERE... FIRST WOMAN SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT FIRST FEMALE QLD PREMIER FIRST FEMALE PM FIRST FEMALE...YOU FILL IT IN... FIRST OPENLY GAY...YOU FILL IT IN... YOU GET THE IDEA... WAVE OF CHANGE... ENJOY THE RIDE...WHITE BOY... YOU TOO RUPERT. :) N'

Tom of Melbourne

4/06/2013I have no idea what you're on about Nasking. I preferred Obama.

Ken

4/06/2013Glorfindel and others re Newspoll This is only one poll and appears to be a rogue. It is not consistent with prevous Newpolls nor with other polling which is still usually showing the 2pp 55-45 and occasionally 54-46. If you have been following the polls, not just reading each one in isolation as it comes out, Newspoll has been all over the place in the past few months, giving Labor big gains (52-48)then, like this, giving it all back to the LNP. There are two interpretations: either Newspoll is getting its polling wrong or the electorate really is volatile and reacting differently each fortnight in response to current events. Given the other polls aren't moving about as much, I think there is some sort of hiccough in Newspoll's methodology.

Pikiranku

4/06/2013Glorfindel Most US pollsters and the commentators who believed them were predicting before the presidential election that Romney ws a shoe-in. Likewise in the recent general election in British Columbia the polls were absolutely wrong in their forecasts. They're not infallible. And there has been more than one Australian government which has turned around poll predictions (some for better, some for worse) which looked clear-cut this far out from the actual election. Despite the blathering and barracking of the MSM, nothing is yet writ in stone.

bob macalba

4/06/2013one more http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SVwXA7sHUlE newspoll= the drunken poll....dont know where i read or heard that but its stuck in my head since

Patriciawa

4/06/2013Mal Kukura, at 6.55am, Don't apologize, I was willing to read your contribution in full, as you're a newcomer here and also because I had already read your last paragraph indicating your awareness of the need for more brevity in future comments. I look forward to reading those too. Quite apart from all the interesting things you had to say your contribution caused me to pause and think through what it is that I normally resist in over-long comments, no matter how well written or interesting in themselves, particularly when offered too frequently by any one of us which makes it difficult to have a conversation about something our blog master, Ad Astra, thinks is important and has asked our opinion of. I try to make my own answer immediately relevant to his main post with my initial response to his "What Do You Think?" or by following up the opinions of others responding directly to him. Mind you, I don't always succeed and then have to apologize for being off topic, as we all do from time. And of course often events will take over the topic and other issues will become more urgent. That's understandable, particularly when we start our day here with Lyn's Links and then try to come to grips with all the other issues being raised at other interesting sites she's linked us to set up by people wanting to express their views on the world. By the way, I think we owe those writers the courtesy of a direct response at their site, and then perhaps to let people here know about their ideas with a brief reference or further link. It's not fair to lift large chunks of their stuff and start up another conversation here prompted by their unacknowledged thoughts. I'm sure that, having put the work into setting up a site and posting articles there, it is more gratifying to hear from readers responding directly to them and to the issues they've raised and developing a lively exchange on their blog. I know myself how pleasing it is to have readers write however briefly to me and particularly when they let me know they have been referred on by someone on another thread. Not that my own site is intended to be a conversation type thread. It's more a record of what I've written elsewhere and some of the reactions to that. Though I certainly use it to express opinions at length which would be intrusively dominant if copied here as comments. For that I have to be invited to write a full post by someone like Miglo at Cafe Whispers. (http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/) Or as Jan/gypsy did here so recently and so effectively. (http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/post/2013/05/19/Whos-been-playing-in-MY-estate-Yet-more-ferment-in-the-fourth-and-fifth.aspx) What frustrates me is having Ad Astra write a new post so succinctly and eloquently and after asking what we think, ie what do we think about the issue he has raised, to have his space invaded and dominated by others who want to express their thoughts on whatever interests [u]them[/u]. By the way AA is not given to censorship and welcomes all comers and all comments, so I'm pretty certain he doesn't share the feelings I’ve expressed here. And anyway, like him, I do enjoy reading about other people's lives and their concerns, but not to the extent that [u]his [/u]voice is drowned out. It’s a bit like hiring a hall, convening a meeting to discuss an issue of concern to you and having one or two attendees take over the mike and platform to talk about something else, at length and sometimes engagingly. Some latecomers might leave thinking they’re at the wrong meeting. I can’t see a solution though - there aren’t any bouncers here at TPS!

nasking

4/06/2013 THIS IS ONE [b]TOXIC CHARACTER[/b] WHO SHOULD [b]LEAVE THE ALP AND GO WORK ON RUPERT'S SLY NEWS WITH THAT OTHER PIECE OF ROTTEN MEAT RICHO:[/b] [b]JOEL FITZGIBBON [/b] [b]In 2008 Fitzgibbon expressed dissatisfaction with an unclassified briefing he received on an assessment of the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF). He subsequently ordered and received a classified report that addressed his concerns, and then expressed confidence in the JSF project.[/b] In the same interview, he also denied personal involvement in the Australian Federal Police (AFP) [b]raid on Canberra Times' journalist Philip Dorling, although he did not guarantee that his department had not contacted the AFP.[/b] [b]Dorling was accused of receiving confidential cabinet documents intended for Fitzgibbon.[/b] On 22 October 2008 Fitzgibbon instructed the Department of Defence to cease debt recovery procedures against SAS soldiers that had been accidentally overpaid. [b]A subsequent audit by KPMG discovered that the soldiers' pay continued to be docked after the ministerial instruction.[/b] Controversy [b]On 26 March 2009, Fairfax Media newspapers reported that officers in the Department of Defence had conducted a covert and unauthorised investigation into Fitzgibbon's friendship with a Chinese-Australian businesswoman in the belief that it constituted a security risk. [/b] This was alleged to have included officers from the Defence Signals Directorate accessing the computer network in Fitzgibbon's office to obtain the woman's bank details. The Department has launched an urgent inquiry into the reports. Nick Warner, the Department's Secretary, stated that he had not seen any information to confirm the claims and that there were no circumstances in which secret investigations into Ministers could be authorised. [b]Fitzgibbon resigned as Minister for Defence on 4 June 2009 after admitting that meetings held between his brother, the head of the health fund NIB, and Defence officials concerning business opportunities had breached the Ministerial Code of Conduct.[/b] WIKIPEDIA ROTTEN TO THE CORE. NOT A REAL LABOR MAN...THINKING MORE ABOUT HIMSELF. SMUG...AND SELF-SERVING. N'

Glorfindel

4/06/2013My dear Michael, I was merely differentiating the difference between your methodology and that of a pollster. You apply a great deal of thought to the notion as to who should win the next election. A pollster should not do such a thing a pollster merely asks a question. You present a view that is the end product of a rational and reasoned train of thought the pollster merely presents an answer to a question (collated from a series of answers). The polls are mindless instruments, your inductions are not. But good lord lad don’t tell me you’ve never spent a droll Saturday handing out how-to-vote cards? Or the occasional weekend morning manning a street stall for your local member, trying to catch the eye (and hopefully vote) of the passer by? Surely if you had you would be overwhelmed by the lack of thought the general public puts into the political process. I would hazard a guess that were in not compulsory in this country our voting turn out would match the USA or Brittan A strong television rating for Q&A would be considered a failure for “Masterchef”, the various “footy shows” will attract more views in a night that dear Ad Astra will in his lifetime. It is hard to reconcile the notions that voters are not gullible fools with the notion that, at this point in time, they prefer Mr Abbott to be PM. Or consider that Campbell Newman is premier of Queensland, can you think of explanation for that which is contrary to the notion that the voters are gullible fools? Those of us who prefer deep political thought and analysis - we are the minority, the unusual. To somehow suggest that the majority will pattern themselves on the unusual is an odd notion indeed. During the last election campaign the coalition vote improved, Labor’s fell. Yet somehow the same players will achieve a different result this time around. This will be despite the baggage Labor has gained in the interim. Last election Labor started with a good few advantages, this election they start with many disadvantages. There is a rather jovial definition of insanity, doing the same thing and expecting different results yet you tell us the next election results will be different. Could be so kind as to explain how the actions of the parties will first be different to produce that different result. There is perhaps one glimmer of hope, one faint forlorn glimmer. Abbott is undoubtedly the front-runner in this election, he is expected to win and expected to become the Prime Minister. He did not have that expectation during the last campaign. It is possible that he will face greater scrutiny because of this and that under such scrutiny he will wilt.

nasking

4/06/2013 LOOKS LIKE NEWSPOLL WAS HORSE POO: [b]Morgan Poll contradicts Newspoll collapse [/b] a week when Newspoll showed electoral wipeout for the Government, Morgan’s more extensive multi-mode poll showed no rise in the L-NP’s primary vote and only 0.5% on a two party basis. http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/morgan-poll-contradicts-governments-newspoll-collapse/ THE ESSENTIAL POLL ALSO DIDN'T SHOW SAME AS NEWSPOLL... COULD RUPERT'S NEWSPOLL BE PLAYING GAMES WITH THE VOTERS? TRYING TO MANIPULATE VOTER PERCEPTION... SURELY NOT? RUPERT MURDOCH AND FIENDS WOULD NEVER DO SUCH A THING... NOT DURING A TIME THEIR DODGY POLL CAN'T BE TESTED BY A NEXT DAY ELECTION. ----- I'M OFF BEFORE CERTAIN PEOPLE GET THEIR KNICKERS IN A KNOT. :) N!

cornlegend

4/06/2013TOM, you say 'there is no need to even bother to debate the “no carbon tax commitment”. Then why the freaking hell do you keep on about it. and on, and on, and on, TOM, you're a one trick pony. PLEASE, learn another trick. Surely you still have one capable brain cell. Then again............

cornlegend

4/06/2013SICK, I'm beginning to get a little cross with you. "Bornflaky", You used that one. The challenge was simple. Then again, maybe for you it wasn't IT was to come up with 1 new letter _ornflaky. The other thing we need to address SICK, is this silly kindy kid habit you have. That is, answering a question with a question !!! Now SICK, if we keep that up, we will go round in circles. {bags going left !] The other thing we need SICK is a little lesson in the difference between left and right. If you hold your hand up, and stick out your thumb, the hand that looks like an L is left. Now SICK, one the left hand of your keypad/ keyboard, {you know, the thing you type on} I'll take you through it step by step SICK, as you seem to have some degree of learning disability. 1 Left side of keyboard 2 3 Keys up [thats the little buttons SICK] 3 Says Caps Lock. $ push it now. 5 Lesson finished. See SICK , you really don't have to type things ALL in upper case. Don't worry SICK, I'm here to help. Don't struggle with your insecurities. Come to me your mate -ornflaky Go on SICK, fill it in, it's not that big a challenge Tomorrow, if you're still struggling, we'll do the ALPHABET, in upper and lower case if it helps.

cornlegend

4/06/2013TOM, What did I tell you about telling "porkie pies" you said "MRRT – Gillard and Swan came up with one that has raised about $0" No TOM, fibber, Six months ago it had raised $126 million. Now TOM, I know that single brain cell has trouble, so to help, $ 126,000,000 . When you wrote it down you forgot to put the $126,000,00 in front of the 0 you put.. SIlly sausage !! Thats a lot of Nurses and Teachers wages TOM. TOM, Didn't you learn that little rhyme Liar Liar pants on fire. I am disappointed TOM

nasking

4/06/2013 MURDOCH'S NEWS LTD HAS TAKEN OVER ABC's THE DRUM...LIKE THEY DID A BIG BOOK DEAL WITH ABC BOOKS.

42 long

4/06/2013I heard the Cessnock people want their village idiot back. He is so good he can't be replaced. Last seen in Canberra masquerading as labor loyal member. Addicted to talking to the press. Known associates Krudd and Marn from the Gummint. Not very good with numbers. possibly dyslexic.

nasking

4/06/2013 JOHN BARRON BORES ME STIFF. HE'S OBVIOUSLY ANOTHER CONSERVATIVE. CAROLINE OVERINGTON IS A MURDOCH HACK... OVERINGTON RECKONED: Today and tonight The Australian’s Media Diarist, Caroline Overington, has [b]gone in to overdrive with vitriol and personal attacks against me and Crikey, all the while insisting that we are insignificant and that nobody cares about us.[/b] Well, glad we got that straight. http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/07/13/the-australian-meltdown-caroline-overington/ THE HYPERBOLIC OVERINGTON GOT IT WRONG ABOUT CRIKEY. OVERINGTON PREDICTING A LANDSLIDE LOSS SHOULD BE TAKEN WITH A BUCKET OF SALT. yawn N'

nasking

4/06/2013 BTW, BARRON SHOULD BE REPORTED FOR BRINGING TWO NEWS JOURNOS ONTO THE DRUM...OUT OF THREE PANELISTS. MURDOCH HAS ENUFF MONEY...HIS HACKS DON'T NEED FREE SPRUIKING COURTESY OF THE PUBLIC BROADCASTER... AND THE DRUM. DISGUSTING MURDOCH EMPIRE AND LIBERAL PROPAGANDA. N'

nasking

4/06/2013 AS FOR THE OTHER NEWS LTD HACK ON THE DRUM, TOM DUSEVIC...THIS FROM BOB CARR'S BLOG: Tom Dusevic Grovels to Libs FEBRUARY 28, 2011 Tom Dusevic His two-page article in the Weekend Australian reads like a job application for a chief of staff in a NSW Coalition government. Tom Dusevic is a journalist I’ve taken issue with before. I had to rebuke him when he was at The Financial Review for saying that the Carr government spent too little on infrastructure and was too focused on debt retirement. I reminded him that his newspaper had rebuked me during my 10 years as Premier for doing precisely the opposite: spending too much on infrastructure ($ 61 billion) and being too slow about debt retirement (a mere $10 billion). ” That was when the paper was controlled by neo-liberals,” was his defense. In The Australian he began by praising as “authentic” a recently deceased Liberal member of the Legislative Council, Frank Calabro. Why Calabro is singled out for this elaborate panegyric is passing strange. I could nominate numerous former MPs from the Labor side, successful immigrants like Calabro, who have had far bigger impact. The best explanation is that Dusevic has a deep sympathy for the Coalition and its causes, confirmed by the reverential slew of quotes from former Liberal Premier Nick Greiner larded into his piece. It seems to be directed at the thesis that too many MPs today are former staffers with nondescript backgrounds on the fringes of politics and union activity. This is fed by quotes from my good friend Rodney Cavalier whose own background (ministerial staffer, union official, public servant) absolutely fits the template. Rod would agree. http://bobcarrblog.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/tom-dusevic-grovels-to-libs/ THE POST IS REVEALING. THE ABC...AS UNBALANCED AS EVER. FRIENDS OF MURDOCH...AS OPPOSED TO THE PEOPLE. BTW, YOU DO REALISE THIS INFECTION IS ABOUT MORE THAN URANIUM, COAL SEAM GAS, CORPORATE GREED, SURVIVAL OF FOXTEL, DEVELOPING THE NORTH...AND A CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVE REVIVAL MEETING. :D IT'S ABOUT IRAN MAN...IRAN. AND HEZBOLLAH...AND HAMAS. SOME PEOPLE WILL STAB ANYONE IN THE BACK TO GET WHAT THEY WANT...ANYONE. WE ARE NOT IN CONTROL OF OUR DEMOCRACY. ASK MS OVERINGTON WHAT SHE GOT UP TO IN NEW YORK. BELIEVE IT. OPEN YER EYES. N'

Tom of Melbourne

4/06/2013Just to clarify... [b]GILLRD FAILED ON EACH OF THE 3 POLICY ISSUES SHE SPECIFICALLY NOMINATED AFTER SHE KNIFED RUDD[/b] Then she made a range of commitments on carbon, in order to neutralise the issue politically, and promptly broke each commitment to win government. She is dishonest.

Jason

4/06/2013She is dishonest. Tom of Melbourne As are you! your point is?

Miglo

4/06/2013Congratulations on another great post, Ad. You haven't put a foot wrong all year.

bob macalba

4/06/2013This is not nice to listen to but i expect she listens to morriscum. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/school-boy-racially-abused-by-50-year-old-woman-on-sydney-bus/story-fni0xqrb-1226657226955 these people are..................ugh

cornlegend

4/06/2013TOM. I am going to translate for you you posted. Tom of Melbourne 58/48 2pp. But here it's just the fault of the media. Hilarious Now we know, that in your bumbling way TOM you are trying to educate us Now 2pp = 2 party preferred 58/48 58/ =58% 48 +48% total 106% TOM you are right The pollsters are hilarious Was that what you found hilarious TOM. or the fact that "you cooked the figures" and thought you got away with it 106% Hilarious. 69 ? 43? 99? whats the next code Tom?

Tom of Melbourne

4/06/2013A preview of barracker’s observations about the 7.30 Report - Chris Uhlmann is a Catholic, so naturally he likes Abbott and hates Julia. He sold out to the pope and Murdoch, he’s now persuaded Leith Sales to hate her too. What chance does Gillard have when there are so many Gillard hating Catholics in this country? Should they all be allowed to vote? Is Catholicism a subversive culture against our Country? Newpoll probably only asks Catholics their opinions.

Sir Ian Crisp

4/06/2013Not so clever as you think are you bornflaky. I snookered you and I wasn't even trying. Enlightened and progressive. What a joke.

Michael

4/06/2013Dear Glorfindel, The points in your last post (no morbid pun intended) are all salient, and in my darkest moments I see that Australia will indeed find itself with Abbott PM. And yet... How could anyone consideredly vote for the stumblebums and washed-ups that Abbott fronts in anything approaching a serious belief that they will run this country anywhere but into the ground?

Tom of Melbourne

4/06/2013It’s also hilarious the way Nasking presumes to assign opinions to me. He’s another that just presumes that criticism of Gillard simply translates to every one of stereotypes. Nasking needs a reality check. [b]THE US DEMOCRATS AREN'T THE ALP. BARAK OBAMA ISN'T REALLY JULIA GILLARD.[/b]

Jason

4/06/2013It’s also hilarious the way Nasking presumes to assign opinions to me ToM of everywhere why do you think we give a shit? Now that is hilarious.

Tom of Melbourne

4/06/2013You're welcome to scroll past all my comments Jason. Please only reply if you really feel the need.

cornlegend

4/06/2013SICKnecessary atioHou you said "I snookered you and I wasn't even trying." Where ? When ? I must be missing something ? All I saw was mumbling rubbish ! Wipe the crap off your chin, grow a spine and come back and answer some questions. Can anyone help me here ? Can they see where I got Snookered ? Or can they just see more crap from SICK

Tom of Melbourne

4/06/2013...and cornlegend, please don't feel left out. Just as soon as you post something that is worth replying to, I will!

Ad astra

4/06/2013Miglo Thank you for your kind comment. Coming from you, someone with so much experience in the Fifth Estate, it is a great compliment. Patriciawa Thank you for your thoughtful comment. You are right. There are no bouncers at [i]TPS[/i]; the only comments that are deleted are those that use offensive language or are offensive to other bloggers. Of course, that requires a value judgement on my part. You make a good point, namely that when visitors are invited to say what they think, it is helpful if they comment on the theme of the piece, as this gives continuity and internal consistency, and makes for more logical reading. I usually leave the previous post open for a while so that unfinished dialogue can be completed, but some inevitably spills over into the new piece. As the piece ages though, there are bound to be new issues that come up, issues that warrant discussion. It is unusual to have a new contributor like Mal Kukura who is prepared to write at length. Doug Evans too has made substantial contributions to this piece. The next piece, which will be devoted to the purpose of blogs, will invite specific responses from readers. I hope visitors will participate in this exercise early in its life, and leave comment unrelated to the theme until later.

Tom of Melbourne

4/06/2013https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/p480x480/385157_534835359875933_557324501_n.jpg

jane

4/06/2013The creature who has been hell bent on denigrating, lying about and inciting hatred against our PM is once again under police investigation for dirty deeds. News Corporation is under investigation for using industrial espionage to sabotage a rival to Sky. This is the character whose cold claw is up Liealot's & the Liars' backside, moving his lips. Are people aware that a vote for the Liars is a vote for a Murdoch government? http://www.exaronews.com/articles/4995/police-investigate-news-corporation-for-sabotaging-rival-to-sky

jane

5/06/2013The Asbestos Foundation supports Oakeshott wrt his criticism of Liars politicising of asbestos issue. The Liars Party; paragons of empathy https://twitter.com/mandymcn/status/341855517670526977/photo/1

lyn

5/06/2013Today’s Links Morgan Poll contradicts Newspoll collapse by @independentaus In a week when Newspoll showed electoral wipeout for the Government, Morgan’s more extensive multi-mode poll showed no rise in the L-NP’s primary vote and only 0.5% on a two party basis http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/morgan-poll-contradicts-governments-newspoll-collapse/ Let's get into more debt by Grogonomics, @GrogsGamut To explain Australia’s debt position the government has commonly compared it to a mortgage. Currently the net debt is around 10% of GDP, which is why Julia Gillard has suggested “our level of debt is the same as a person earning $100,000 a year with a $10,000 mortgage”. http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/grogonomics/2013/jun/04/lets-get-into-more-debt Abbott's tree-planting plan not enough to combat climate change, study says @olliemilman The federal Coalition’s policy of planting millions of new trees will do little to offset Australia’s carbon dioxide emissions, a study by leading climate change scientists has found. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/04/abbotts-tree-planting-plan-climate Abbott rejected Telstra asbestos compo plan in 2001 by @InjuredW Tony Abbott tried on Tuesday to distance himself from a 2001 decision taken by the Department of Employment and Workplace Relations – for which he was then the Minister – to reject the fast-tracking of compensation for Telstra workers exposed to asbestos.‘‘I’m just not going to comment on who said what to whom,’’ he said at a press conference in Queanbeyan, http://www.injuredworkerssupport.org.au/?p=6830 Asbestos: Lets Just Fix It by @mwyres Despite their bluff and bluster about the dangers of asbestos, they are proposing to just leave it in the ground – for someone else to fix another day.Their plans to kill the current NBN lookmore irresponsible at time goes by, and we deserve so much better than that. http://michaelwyres.com/2013/06/asbestos-lets-just-fix-it/ No FTTH under alternative Oz NBN plan, says Oppn. leader Did Tony Abbott forget his own policy or re-write it on the fly? by Richard Chirgwin Then we had Malcolm Turnbull, seizing the opportunity to tell the world that his fibre-to-the-node plan is safer on the ground that it involves less disturbance to the network, before being kneecapped by his leader's pronouncement. It also means no customer will ever have a connection repaired, and broken copper will never be replaced. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/04/there_will_be_no_ftth_in_oz_abbott/ Asbestos and the perils of an activist government by @BernardKeane The other complicating factor is that once the Coalition is in government, it will find the absurdly high standards of ministerial responsibility it has argued for in opposition will return to bite it. This isn’t merely for the obvious case of Turnbull’s Copper Magic NBN  http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/06/04/keane-on-asbestos-and-the-perils-of-an-activist-government/?wpmp_switcher=mobile Tony Abbott and his asbestos problem. by @phonytonyabbott But it has now been revealed that in 2001, Telstra approached the Department of Workplace Relations to create an independent body to accelerate asbestos related compensation for workers. It was rejected http://www.phonytonyabbott.com/blog/tony-abbott-and-his-asbestos-problem Tony Abbott’s lie exposed by @AshGhebranious What Tony fails to tell the people of Australia is that Abbott indeed promised the independents a price on carbon or an ETS. He had to. It was part of the negotiations which he entered into and stayed into until the Independents held their press conference. http://ashghebranious.wordpress.com/2013/04/06/tony-abbotts-lie-exposed/ Poll woes for Gillard – the solution, possibly the final solution! by @MigloMT Newspoll is suggesting that the Labor Government is heading for a thumping. It seems hopeless, and there are suggestions that it may start a fresh round of leadership speculation http://theaimn.com/2013/06/04/poll-woes-for-gillard-the-solution-possibly-the-final-solution/ Carbon - a debate without end by @EVERALDATLARGE Abbott resoundingly confirmed his previously-stated intention to immediately repeal the Carbon Tax http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=15082 Murdoch’s Daily Lies (1): Today’s Newspoll by Bob Ellis The bigger the problem, the bigger the lie. It was Abbott’s worst week thus far – he wept for the Labor Party, he reneged on a deal, he lied about the deal, he was shown to have signed the deal — so Murdoch gave his party a quarter of a million more votes and him, Abbott, as preferred Prime Minister, four hundred thousand more votes. http://www.ellistabletalk.com/2013/06/04/murdochs-daily-lies-1-todays-newspoll/ Gough and Julia by @KenParish1 in fairness to Gillard, the combination of an increasingly frenetic media cycle and the endless feeding frenzy of minority government would have made it difficult even for a superlative orator like Whitlam to deliver a “cut through” message. http://clubtroppo.com.au/2013/06/04/gough-and-julia/ Qld’s financial bonanza from networks – paid for by consumers by Giles Parkinson report goes further, suggesting that if the government fails to act, then it will perpetuate the “death spiral” that is caused by rising costs and falling demand, as consumers find cheaper ways of sourcing energy. In the case of Queensland, this will occur through the rooftop panels that the government is so keen to demonise, and other options such as http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/qlds-financial-bonanza-from-networks-paid-for-by-consumers-91815 A Geek Is A Badge Of Honour Now, Is It? by @sortius Just a bit of a gloat post, I was mentioned last Friday (30/05/13) in Senate Estimates by Senator Conroy. Quite chuffed that I’ve been mentioned in parliament. http://sortius-is-a-geek.com/?p=3052 Weekly aggregation (44.6 to 55.4) @Mark_Graph Without further evidence of a new slump, I suspect the most recent two-point movement from Newspoll was mostly noise. My gut feeling is that the underlying voting intention is not moving much at the moment. At this stage we are not seeing similarly large movements from the other polling houses. http://marktheballot.blogspot.com.au/2013/06/weekly-aggregation-446-to-554.html Who gets what? Who pays for it? The welfare state debate revisited by Peter Whiteford The criticisms aren’t confined to Labor’s spending. The Australian Financial Review has labelled the opposition’s plan for a substantially more generous paid parental leave as costly middle-class welfare. In the Australian, business writer Adam Creighton described the Family Tax Benefit Part B, a relic of the Howard era, http://inside.org.au/who-gets-what-who-pays-for-it-the-welfare-state-debate-revisited/ Reporters’ communications targeted in subpoena served direct on sources by @JournLaw The sources of at least three journalists investigating a collapsed fund manager have been ordered by the Queensland Supreme Court to hand over all correspondence with the reporters. http://journlaw.com/2013/06/04/reporters-communications-targeted-in-subpoena-served-direct-on-sources/ Open Letter To Ken Wyatt MP by @madwixxy I believe that it was the first and only time in Australia’s history that someone has been charged and fines handed down for a major political party’s attempts to deceive the public with dodgy figures http://wixxyleaks.com/2013/06/04/open-letter-to-ken-wyatt-mp/ Gina, Paraprosdokian Rambles And The Rat Reprise! by @knarfnamduh Hmmm! It would appear that Gina Rinehart’s recent tragic loss of a paltry $6 or $7 billion still weights heavily on my mind (certainly not on my pocket) to the extent that I’m still thinking about her and her billions and especially her well placed barb that she ‘ain’t no ATM’. http://deknarf.wordpress.com/ Said the Bishop to the Indonesians by Truth Seeker Julie Bishop’s foray into her portfolio area of foreign affairs, saying that she and Abbott have had meetings and discussions with “senior Indonesian officials” indicating their willingness to deal with a future coalition government in an area that they have previously refused to countenance, http://truthseekersmusings.wordpress.com/2013/06/03/said-the-bishop-to-the-indonesians/ I'm Noely from Queensland and I need your help by @YaThinkN The never-ending polling indicating, the ads are working and our “Bad Gummint” is going to be replaced by Mr Abbott’s “Good Gummint”. Let’s see how that is going to work out for us? http://yathink.com.au/article-display/im-noely-from-queensland-and-i-need-your-help,74 Income Management For Asylum Seekers by Eva Cox Scott Morrison is looking for even more ways of removing any decent sense of autonomy from income recipients. Firstly it is shameful that these asylum seekers are being offered 89 per cent of an already totally inadequate Newstart http://www.newmatilda.com/2013/06/04/income-management-asylum-seekers News Ltd kicking more sand in the public’s face: just why are Murdoch’s papers recycling the old “CFCs not CO2″ zombie climate myth? by @WTDeniers It is not enough for News Limited to shape the narrative as “believers versus sceptics”, thus creating a sense of false balance. They take it a step further by wilfully distorting the public’s perception about the causes of climate change while simultaneously undermining their trust in the scientific community. http://watchingthedeniers.wordpress.com/ Today’s Front Pages Australian Newspaper Front Pages for 5 June 2013 http://www.thepaperboy.com/australia/front-pages.cfm News headlines http://www.hotheadlines.com.au/

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5/06/2013LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/LYNS-DAILY-LINKS.aspx

cornlegend

5/06/2013SICK , Mate I was going to say, you've lost the plot, but you never hadit in the first place. Go check your facts. A. Julia Gillard, alleged woman ? Clear that up quickly SICKO, Julia Gillard is a woman. One day soon you'll be able to tell the difference. Hint, a good clue is, between the legs As for the prostitute bit, a GROUP she belonged to said that over 20 years ago {you know, SICKO, student politics, I thought I'd get some "mood music" to listen to , but every time I thought of you SICK, The only song that came to me was "Born TO Lose" You lost SIck. Give you time to dream up some more rubbish Sorry I didn't reply sooner, I have a social life SICK. Will explain that to you, in detail, soon CHECKMATE ha ha

nasking

5/06/2013 THE UGLY AUSTRALIAN...CREATED BY ABBOTT AND HOWARD'S COMMUNITY DIVIDING APPROACHES. PROBABLY DRUNK. THEY SHAME US ALL. WHAT A FUTURE WE HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD TO WHEN SO MUCH HATE AND BITTERNESS IS EXPRESSED. IMAGINE IF ALL THE FIRST PEOPLE, ABORIGINES, OF THIS COUNTRY SPOKE TO WHITES AND OTHERS LIKE THAT? HOW WOULD THEY FEEL?: [b]Racist rant on Sydney bus. May 2013[/b] http://theantibogan.wordpress.com/2013/06/05/racist-rant-on-sydney-bus-may-2013/ I CAME ACROSS A FEW PEOPLE LIKE HER IN QLD DURING 1982...THE FRASER/HOWARD GOVT OBVIOUSLY HAD SAME IMPACT...IN SOME WAYS... COMBINED WITH THOSE YEARS AND YEARS OF THE JO BJELKE PETERSON GOVT... AND I WAS WHITE...AS WAS MY FIRST WIFE... BUT I HAD A CANADIAN ACCENT...MISTAKEN BY MANY FOR AMERICAN...MY FIRST WIFE HAD A STRONG AUSTRIAN ACCENT...AT FIRST SHE STRUGGLED WITH THE AUSSIE ACCENT...AND MANY PEOPLE WERE RUDE TO HER... AND WOULD TELL US TO "GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM!!!"...THO, MANY NICE AUSSIES WE MET IN AUSTRIA AND ELSEWHERE OVERSEAS URGED ME TO RETURN HOME...I HAVE BEEN AN AUSSIE CITIZEN SINCE 1966...IRONICALLY, LONGER THAN THE AGE OF MOST OF THOSE WHO ABUSED US...NOT THAT THAT SHOULD MATTER...RUDE IS RUDE. INTOLERANCE AND XENOPHOBIA ARE PART OF AN ILLNESS. I THINK PART OF THE REASON WE WERE ABUSED BY SOME IGNORAMUSES WAS THE RECESSION THEN...COMPETITION FOR JOBS. JOHN HOWARD AS TREASURER HAD GIVEN THE COUNTRY HIGH INTEREST RATES...LIKE HE AND COSTELLO DID LAST TIME... SO IMAGINE IF ABBOTT AND HOCKEY AND THEIR STATE MATES BRING IN AUSTERITY MEASURES? PUT UP GST? LOOK AT THE HATE AND FEAR AND FINGERPOINTING AND RACISM THAT HAS BOILED UP IN TORY UK...WITH ITS AUSTERITY MEASURES... SAME WITH GREECE. IF MY FIRST WIFE AND I WERE TREATED LIKE THAT IN QLD...AND LATER COUNTRY NSW...AND SOME PARTS OF SYDNEY...I CAN IMAGINE WHAT IT IS LIKE FOR OTHERS NOT AS PALE-SKINNED AS US... LIKE THE BOYS ON THAT BUS. DOESN'T ABBOTT WANT TO GET RID OF THE HATE BILL OR SOMETHING? CHANGE THE RACIAL DISCRIMINATION ACT? I SCOTT MORRISON DOG WHISTLING EVERYWHERE...I SEE HIM LIKE A FESTERING BOIL ON ALLAN JONES' BUTT. PUSS-FILLED...TOXIC. AND SMUG. DOES THEIR RELIGION DO THIS TO THEM? THEIR SCHOOLS? THEIR FAMILIES? OR IS JUST ROTTEN TO THE CORE POLITICAL AMBITION? N'

nasking

5/06/2013 Should be: [b]I SEE AND HEAR SCOTT MORRISON DOG WHISTLING EVERYWHERE...I SEE HIM LIKE A FESTERING BOIL ON ALLAN JONES' BUTT. [/b]

TalkTurkey

5/06/2013Tap your feet to the violin! Can't be a sin! Greetings Everyone, 'Speshly Ad and Lyn! This will have you smiling your best! Guaranteed! :) Sent to me by my beloved old friend and Prof of Pure Mathematics (retd) Paul Scott who sends me much lovely stuff. Check the audience LOVIN' it, and be surprised by which bloke sing the bass solo! Especially see the little girl at about 3.50 dancing in the aisle. Hope the link works! http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=-iP27eatYxE&feature=share It will raise your spirits Comrades Oh and By The Way, Never mind the pundits! - We're set to WIN! [i]OK?![/i] Or as bob likes to say - [b]VENCEREMOS![/b]

cornlegend

5/06/2013SICK. Obviously you have been sitting waiting for hours . And you bloody fool, you took no notice of your lesson RE- Cap Locks. Somewhere between your ears, that single brain cell doesn't seem to be WORKING A Student organisation said that THE PM did not. Jump on Google SICK. I will eagerly await you producing the PMs statement. Sick, you need to take your hand off it, its affecting you. And there is the old theory that it can make you go blind. Trot off now Sick. Come up with the PMS alleged quote. Not rubbish like someone said she said . Sorry SICK, I'm laughing at the moment At you , not with you ps I will be out for a little while SOCIALISING. Check what that means while you're on Google

Tom of Melbourne

5/06/2013I see Nasking. We have a racist rant by some mentally deficient woman, who has lived under the xenophobic policies of this government for 6 years. But it is Howard and Abbott's fault That is genuinely hilarious. You too seem to have lost the plot.

Jason

5/06/2013A bemused Scott Morrison watches as the media abandons his media conference for @fitzhunter: http://youtu.be/Ui3FDHMQv8E (v. funny footage).

Patriciawa

5/06/2013Thank you TT! What a lift for us all. And what beautiful men! [b]VENCEREMOS![/b] Indeed! Hang in there for Julia! Don't let Murdoch fool ya! Or bastard Abbott rule ya!

Mal Kukura

5/06/2013Thank you Nasking, Ad Astra and Patriciawa for your encouragement. We're breaking new ground here together - ready for seeds to grow. It's raining here in the west. The heads up that the next piece is on the purpose of blogs and that youll be inviting specific responses from readers is helpful and should yield some interesting results. Perhaps immunity from hate pollution and mutations of hate memes begins here immunizing the content without censorship. This is a very civilized cyber-community compared to others I have visited.

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5/06/2013Hi Lyn As I've got a busy day ahead, I've read your links already. What a varied and informative collection they are. It's useful to compare the comments about polling in your links with the story lines of the MSM yesterday over Newspoll, which became THE story of the day, with all that flowed from it filling out lots of column inches. Not only is Newspoll the easiest form of journalism, it actually sets the political agenda that most of the MSM is pushing. I wonder what the MSM would do if the polls reversed? I'll be out a lot today, but will be back later this afternoon. Again, thank you for another feast.

MWS

5/06/2013I am recovering from a four-day migraine, so apologies if this has already been posted, but I found this link to the positions of the members of the HoR on climate change, which is interesting considering that Rob Oakeshot's recent motion was carried on the voices (ie no division required): http://uknowispeaksense.wordpress.com/election-2013/ Also the original article in The Conversation which carried the link: https://theconversation.com/your-mp-wont-act-on-climate-change-ask-the-tough-questions-14758

nasking

5/06/2013 HELL ON EARTH IS COMING UNLESS WE GET ON TOP OF CLIMATE CHANGE... NO AMOUNT OF DRINKING, PILL POPPING AND CELEBRITY ADDICTION WILL STOP IT... WE MUST TAKE ACTION...LIKE THOSE WITH SOLAR POWER...COMPOSTS...WIND POWER FARMS...WORM FARMS...SMALLER MORE FUEL EFFICIENT CARS...WHO GET AWAY FROM FOSSIL FOOLS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE...THOSE WHO USE BIKEWAYS...WALK AND LEAVE THE CAR AT HOME...USE REUSABLE BAGS FOR SHOPPING...TURN OFF LIGHTS IN ROOMS NOT BEING USED...USE PUBLIC TRANSPORT THAT DOESN'T RELY ON ONE HUNDRED PERCENT COAL POWER...USE SHARED ELECTRIC CARS IN THE CITY... WE DON'T WANT TO RELY ON CONSERVATIVE GOVTS THAT DELIBERATELY CRASH ECONOMIES WITH AUSTERITY MEASURES WHO CAN THEN AVOID CLEANER ENERGY TRANSFORMATION BY SAYING "SEE, WE'VE DONE ENUFF...THE EMISSION LEVELS OUR DOWN...NO NEED FOR CHANGE"...JUST BECAUSE THEY BROKE THE BACK OF THE PEOPLE FOR AWHILE, LESS MONEY FOR DRIVING ETC...AND THEN AFTER AWHILE THEY JUST RAMP IT ALL UP AGAIN...DIVERTING PUBLIC ATTENTION TO THE EU AND XENOPHOBIC STUFF...SO PEOPLE FORGET TO FOCUS ON CLEAN ENERGY...AND CLIMATE CHANGE... EVIL...LIKE MURDOCH'S PAPERS AND UK SKY NEWS: [b]At least eight people have been killed in central Europe as floodwater inundates large areas of Germany, Austria, Switzerland and the Czech Republic. Nine others remain missing after torrential rains, and floodwater that peaked in Prague, the Czech capital, was heading towards Germany, officials said. [/b] http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/06/201364135029192370.html NO LONGER EYES WIDE SHUT...NO MORE SLEEP WALKING... OPEN THOSE EYES ACROSS THE WORLD. SEE THE LIARS...THE FOSSIL FOOL SUPPORTERS...IN ALL THEIR MANIPULATIVE UGLINESS. N'

nasking

5/06/2013 HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE GROTESQUE MANIPULATION OF VOTERS IN THE UK...DISTRACTING FROM CLIMATE CHANGE...MORE BS POLLING: Sky News Poll Reveals Huge Divide On Europe An exclusive poll finds the UK could be split right down the middle over EU membership when voters have their say in a referendum: http://news.sky.com/story/1099455/sky-news-poll-reveals-huge-divide-on-europe IF YOU GOT TO THEIR MAIN PAGE YOU WILL SEE HOW THEY SPRUIK CLEBRITY BABY MAKING MACHINES...PUSH PUSH PUSH THE QUEEN...EXCITED ABOUT DAVID ATTENBOROUGH HAVING HEART SURGERY...PUSHING FOR PRIVATE HEALTHCARE... [b]MURDOCH'S MEDIA HAVE CONTROL OVER STAFF AT BOTH SKY UK...AND SKY AUSTRALIA... I CALL THEM [i]SLY NEWS[/i].[/b] N'

nasking

5/06/2013 NOTICE HOW MANY PRESENT AND PAST ALPers WHO CRITICISE THE GOVT USE SLY NEWS...THE MURDOCH PAPERS...LIKE THE AUSTRALIAN, HERALD SUN, ADELAIDE ADVERTISER, COURIER MAIL, DAILY TELEGRAPH...THE USUAL SUSPECTS IN FAIRFAX...CHANNEL NINE... AND ON THE ABC FOLLOWED UP BY EXCITED, BREATHLESS ACCUSATIONS OF GOVT DIVISION ETC BY THE LIKES OF MARK SIMKIN, LATIKA BURKE, LYNDAL CURTIS, CHRIS UHLMAN, MELISSA (CAN'T REMEMBER LAST NAME)...THE LIST GOES ON... AN MSM DESPERATE...DESPERATE TO GET RID OF GILLARD... FOR VARIOUS REASONS. [b]SLY NEWS...FAIRLY UNBALANCED...FAUX BALANCE. [/b] N'

nasking

5/06/2013 INDEED: In the early 1990s, ABC religious broadcasts journalists – who included this writer – used to prepare one item, and occasionally more, for Friday’s radio news bulletins. These invariably presented information not previously aired or published. That was a requirement. The newsroom’s charter then was stridently for independence. Frequently those stories appeared next day in the Saturday Age and, occasionally, beyond. Today, in contrast, it is rare for any issue to be aired on ABC News that has not already appeared in newspapers. The challenge is before those who want to retain publicly-funded news and current affairs to demonstrate that they can be independent and impartial. They were once. They are not now. http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/business/media-2/abcs-furdoch-news-blows-case-for-public-funding/ [b]WE WANT OUR ABC BACK FROM MURDOCH. THAT INCLUDES ABC BOOKS[/b]. N'

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5/06/2013The list of believers and deniers in the lower house makes interesting reading. I have printed of a copy for reference.. Wonder how Lucy (LIR) in wide bay is going?

nasking

5/06/2013 LOOK WHAT THE TORY INFLUENCE (BACKED BY MURDOCH) HAS DONE TO THE UK PUBLIC BROADCASTER THE BBC: [b]BBC signs drama and comedy deal with Australia's Foxtel Corporation surprises ABC by agreeing to launch its fifth channel on pay-TV operator 50% owned by Rupert Murdoch[/b] The BBC's best-loved comedies and dramas will no longer be seen first on its Australian counterpart, the ABC, but on Rupert Murdoch's 50%-owned pay TV channel, Foxtel, as of the middle of next year. In a deal that took the ABC by surprise, BBC Worldwide will launch a Drama and Lifestyle channel on Foxtel, Australia's major pay-TV network. It means BBC drama and comedy will be fast-tracked to Australia on Foxtel, with free-to-air broadcasters having the right to bid to run programmes 12 months later. The main exception to the deal is, Doctor Who, for which the ABC has a lifetime series agreement. Factual programmes such as QI and Grand Designs will also remain on the ABC. The ABC was not aware the BBC was negotiating with another broadcaster for the first-play rights to its comedies and dramas until the day before the deal was deal was announced. It did not get the opportunity to rebid for its A$15m (£10m), three-year contract. The new deal with Foxtel is thought to be worth significantly more. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/apr/17/bbc-worldwide-bbc [b]INTERESTINGLY, TOP FOX AT THE ABC MARK SCOTT DROPS THE BALL... MARK SCOTT FORMERLY WORKED FOR NSW LIBERAL PREMIER GREINER[/b]. HMMM... [b]TIME TO END THE MURDOCHRACY[/b] N'

nasking

5/06/2013 MEMORIES: On 28 August 2009, Murdoch delivered the MacTaggart Memorial Lecture at the Edinburgh International Television Festival, in which he attacked the BBC and UK media regulator Ofcom calling the BBC’s expansion “chilling” and “In this all-media marketplace, the expansion of state-sponsored journalism is a threat to the plurality and independence of news provision, which are so important for our democracy.” The BBC chairman, Sir Michael Lyons officially responded, “We have to be careful not to reduce the whole of broadcasting to some simple economic transactions. The BBC’s public purposes stress the importance of the well-tested principles of educating and informing, and an impartial contribution to debate in the UK.” In April 2010, Murdoch and his associate Rebekah Brooks stormed into the offices of The Independent to complain about an advertisement campaign by the newspaper. The advertisement read, “Rupert Murdoch won’t decide this election—you will.” WIKIPEDIA

nasking

5/06/2013 SUPERB ARTICLE BY [b]POLLY TOYNBEE AT THE GUARDIAN UK[/b] GIVES YOU A GOOD IDEA OF HOW MUCH [b]MURDOCH MEDDLES[/b] TRIES TO CHANGE BBC...VIA POLITICAL INFLUENCE... [b]APRIL 2012:[/b] Is there anything so exceptional about Rupert Murdoch? He's canny and fly, but probably no more so than many sharp-witted businessmen who spot their chance in a flabby market. All he has done is exactly what Adam Smith (the real one) famously said every businessman does given half a chance – corner markets and conspire against the consumer. [b]The success of his business was built on gaining the edge by evading regulators and avoiding taxes, as all companies will unless stopped. So let's not obsess over his character.[/b] If you think this is a navel-gazing media story, here's a reminder of what Hunt was about to unleash on the country, with Cameron and George Osborne's approval. [b]If Murdoch were allowed to own all BSkyB, within a year or two he would package all his newspapers on subscription or online together with his movie and sports channels in offers consumers could hardly refuse, at loss-leading prices. Other news providers, including this one, would be driven out, or reduced to a husk. His would be the commanding news voice. Except for the BBC – which his media have attacked relentlessly for years.[/b] [b]Sky's dominance over the BBC is already looming: now past its investment phase, Sky's income is multiplying fast at £5.5bn a year, against the BBC's static £3.5bn. Sky's growing billions can buy everything, not only sports and movies, but every best series: the BBC trains and develops talent, predatory Sky will snatch it[/b]. [b]The BBC is remarkable value for money: [/b] Sky subscribers can pay £500 a year, the licence fee is £145 for masses more content. [b]Sky is parasitic, as[/b] its own subscribers watch many more hours of BBC than Sky, so Sky would collapse if the BBC denied it its channels. Yet the BBC still pays £5m a year for appearing on its platform, a deal struck by Thatcher to help Murdoch. [b]The sum was cut, but in all other countries commercial broadcasters pay national broadcasters for the right to use their content – not the other way round. The BBC should be paid a hefty fee from BSkyB to compensate for the 16% cut it suffered, partly as a result of Murdoch lobbying. The cut was pure spite, since the licence fee has no connection with Treasury deficits. Pressure persists to deprive viewers of listed national events saved to watch free on BBC: Wimbledon and the rest would go the way of Premier League football.[/b] [b]If it does nothing else, this scandal will stop the government daring to give anything more to Sky. Much as the Tories detest the BBC – which, like the NHS – stands as a defiant symbol of non-market success, expect no overt attacks on it for a while now. But the BBC charter comes up for renewal in 2017: a Tory victory at the next election would liberate them to follow their vengeful instincts.[/b] [b]Jeremy Hunt was within days of giving Murdoch everything, because the government wished it. [/b] A token gesture would have put Sky News behind Chinese walls, but on all previous precedent, soon his newspapers, print, online and TV would have merged into a single newsroom. That would require repeal of the law imposing impartiality on broadcasters. But already Murdoch's friends were softening up opinion against old-fashioned, dull TV news, unsuited to the rowdy, opinionated internet era: Fox News would soon be here. If the arrival of Murdoch's kick-arse Sun was a shock, we'd look back on it as an age of innocence compared with what Fox would do – look what it's done to US politics. [b]Cameron has said it is his ambition to finish Margaret Thatcher's work. As she privatised nationalised industries, so he would marketise the public sector, with his NHS commercialisation and his promise to put all public services out to tender. The dismantling or shrivelling of the BBC would soon have followed. If Nick Davies had not exposed the hacking of Milly Dowler's phone in the nick of time, all would have been lost – an odd way for the BBC to be reprieved.[/b] The 81-year-old under scrutiny this week rambled a bit and remembered nothing to his own detriment. He was an unsatisfying villain, as most are. But the villainy here is not about one man. He stands as an Adam Smith lesson in the primacy of competition law and what happens when politicians let the free market rip to do political favours. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/apr/26/murdoch-cameron-shameful-tale MURDOCH HAS HIS TALONS ON THE ABC...SOME ALPers... MANY LIBERALS AND NATS... INCLUDING ABBOTT. AND TURNBULL. THE FUTURE OF THE ABC LOOKS EVEN WORSE IF ABBOTT GETS IN. EVEN ABC NEWS FINANCE EXPERT ALAN KOHLER SOLD HIS BUSINESS SPECTATOR TO MURDOCH'S LOT. OPEN YER EYES. N'

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5/06/2013HOW could a NEWSPAPER dedicated to making money or exerting power EVER serve the purpose of INFORMING the POPULACE ? It stands to reason that the prime purpose of the paper must be to sell MORE papers, take more paying ads or exert power over governments (if necessary) to enable other advantages to be had. The content is directed to that end. The situation in the UK showed this beyond all doubt and that the governments had to keep Rupert on side or they wouldn't be there for long, or wouldn't get in in the first place. In the Thatcher era his influence was assessed to be over 10% of the vote. He has more coverage HERE so draw your own conclusions..

Doug Evans

5/06/2013NASKING HI. I FOUND YOUR COMMENT DIRECTED TO ME (JUNE 4, 1.56) EARLIER TODAY AND IT MADE ME THINK A BIT. I GUESS IT REFERS TO MY PLACING OF A LINK TO GUY RUNDLE'S ARTICLE ON THE ATTEMPT, SUPPORTED BY JULIA GILLARD TO FOIST DAVID FEENEY ON THE GOOD PEOPLE OF BATMAN AS THEIR LABOR CANDIDATE AND (PROBABLY) THEIR NEXT FEDERAL MHR. SO I WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT FEENEY FIRST. APPARENTLY THE PM'S SUPPORT OF HIS PUSH FOR BATMAN IS A REWARD FOR EXERCISING HIS POWER AS A 'FACELESS MAN' OR 'FACTIONAL WARLORD' IN SUPPORT OF JULIA GILLARD'S LEADERESHIP DURING THIS PARLIAMENT. SHE APPARENTLY REGARDS HIM AS AN 'ABLE DEPUTY WHO HAS PERFORMED WELL' - OR WORDS TO THAT EFFECT. NOT WITHOUT TRUTH RUNDLE DESCRIBES FEENEY AS 'ONE OF THE MOST RIGHT WING MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT', ONE OF PARLIAMENT'S MOST FERVENT ZIONIST SHILLS',ONE OF THE MOST VOCAL OPPONENTS OF SAME SEX MARRIAGE'. ALL THESE DESCRIPTORS MIGHT JUST AS WELL APPLY TO THAT USELESS RIGHT WING LABOR GRUB MICHAEL DANBY WHO APPARENTLY HAS THE SEAT OF MELBOURNE PORTS IN PERPETUITY BUT I DIGRESS. I THINK YOU ALSO HAVE INDICATED THAT YOU HAVE NO RESPECT FOR FEENEY. WHY THEN IS THE PM BACKING HIS RUN FOR PARTICULARLY THIS, LOWER HOUSE SEAT ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE POOR FIT WITH SUBSTANTIAL PORTIONS OF THIS ELECTORATE? COULD IT BE THAT FEENEY IS SEEN AS PART OF THE FUTURE OF THE PARLIAMENTARY LABOR PARTY AND THEY ARE TRYING TO GET HIM INTO A SAFE LOWER HOUSE SEAT FROM WHERE HE WILL SAFELY WEATHER THE COMING DELUGE? WELL, OF COURSE THAT IS WHAT IS GOING ON. THE PM IS SUPPORTING THIS MOVE FIRST BECAUSE HER BACKERS DEMAND IT AND SECOND BECAUSE HER OWN POLITICAL POSITION IS NOT SO FAR FROM THAT OF FEENEY. COMPARE AND CONTRAST FOR YOURSELF. IF IT GETS TOO HOT, WITH EMILY'S LIST AFTER HER TO SUPPORT A FEMALE CANDIDATE AFTER GELLIBRAND WENT TO A MAN, AND SOME STIFF RESISTANCE FROM LOCAL MEMBERS SHE MAY MODIFY HER SUPPORT (AT LEAST PUBLICLY). BUT THE FACT THAT THIS WAS HER DEFAULT POSITION IS INSTRUCTIVE AS IT DOESN'T ONLY TELL US THAT HER POLICY POSITION ON AT LEAST SOME KEY ISSUES IS DISTRESSINGLY CONSERVATIVE AND/OR THAT SHE IS BEHOLDEN TO HER PARTY BACKERS IN THE CARVE UP OF SEATS. IT ALSO SUGGEST THAT THERE IS SOME TRUTH IN THE ACCUSATION NOT INFREQUENTLY MADE OF HER THAT SHE HAS A 'TIN EAR' WHEN IT COMES TO POLITICS. I SUGGEST IT DOESN'T TAKE A GENIUS TO ANTICIPATE THE PROBLEMS WITH THIS CANDIDATE IN THIS ELECTORATE THAT RUNDLE HIGHLIGHTS. FURTHER, AS RUNDLE ALSO HIGHLIGHTS THAT SUCH A MOVE IS CONTEMPLATED SUGGESTS THAT AFTER ALL THE INTERNAL PARTY REVIEWS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR STRUCTURAL CHANGE THE ALP HAS LEARNED NOTHING ABOUT THE NEGATIVE PUBLIC REACTION TO SUCH BLATANT, ARROGANT MANIPULATION OF THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. TO RETURN TO YOUR COMMENT. IT MAY BE THAT I DEVOTE MORE TIME TO CRITICISM OF JULIA GILLARD THAN OF TONY ABBOTT. IF THAT IS SO IT REFLECTS THAT I EXPECT SOMETHING LIKE WHAT ABBOTT WILL CERTAINLY DELIVER IF/WHEN HE IS ELECTED BUT I HOPE FOR/EXPECT CONSIDERABLY BETTER OF THE LABOR PARTY. IT ALSO REFLECTS THAT I'M SURE READERS OF THIS BLOG ALL KNOW, AS I DO, WHAT A DISASTER THIS MAN AND HIS TALENTLESS BUNCH OF INHUMANE FRONT BENCH GOONS WILL BE FOR THIS COUNTRY. FOR ME THERE IS NO THERAPEUTIC VALUE IN ENDLESSLY REPEATING THE BLEEDING OBVIOUS SO I TRY NOT TO. IF I AM CRITICAL OF JULIA GILLARD HOWEVER IT ALSO REFLECTS THE FACT FROM MY VIEWPOINT THAT MUCH OF THE LEFTIST-PROGRESSIVE BLOGOCRACY - INCLUDING TPS - SEEMS TO REGARD MS GILLARD AND HER GOVERNMENT AS BETTER THAN THE EVIDENCE SUGGEST TO ME THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN. I SAY THIS WITH SORROW BUT THE EVIDENCE AS I SEE IT INDICATES THAT AMONG THE GENUINE PROGRESSIVE ACHIEVEMENTS OF THIS AND THE RUDD GOVERNMENT (WHICH WAS IF ANYTHING RATHER WORSE IN THIS RESPECT) THERE HAVE BEEN TOO MANY AVOIDABLE COCK-UPS AND TOO MANY SHAMEFUL POLL DRIVEN FAILURES OF PRINCIPLE. STRANGIO WASN'T PREPARED TO COMMIT HIMSELF IN HIS FAIRFAX PIECE ON HOW GOOD VARIOUS GOVERNMENTS HAVE BEEN BUT I RECKON THE VERDICT OF THE HISTORIANS WILL BE THAT THE GILLARD GOVERNMENT WILL BE REGARDED AS A MIDDLING FAIR LABOR GOVERNMENT THAT, UNDER VERY DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCES BOTH INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL DID SOME GOOD THINGS AND MADE A FEW SERIOUS BLUNDERS. A SORT OF 6/10 SCORECARD. FINALLY THIS BRINGS ME BACK TO THE DRUM I'VE BEEN ENDLESSLY BEATING ON THIS SITE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, GIVEN THE DANGEROUS, PERHAPS RUINOUS CIRCUMSTANCES THAT CONFRONT US, NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO RUN INSIDE, LOCK THE DOORS, PULL THE CURTAINS AND COMFORT OURSELVES WITH FAIRY TALES ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON OUTSIDE. IF EVER THERE WAS A TIME TO TRY TO SEE THINGS, POLITICALLY SPEAKING, EXACTLY AS THEY REALLY ARE, NOW IS IT. THIS MEANS SUBJECTING BOTH THE STRENGTHS AND SHORTCOMINGS OF THOSE WHOSE SUCCESS WE HOPE FOR TO CRITICAL SCRUTINY. WITH THE DEMISE OF THE MSM THIS IS SURELY A KEY CRITICAL ROLE FOR THE FIFTH ESTATE ANYWAY. NOW I CAN, AND FAIRLY REGULARLY DO, GO ELSEWHERE TO FIND POLITICAL DISCUSSION AND IT IS NOT MY PLACE TO TELL PEOPLE HOW TO WRITE ON OR RUN THEIR BLOGS. I WOULD NOT PRESUME TO STICK MY NOSE IN HERE IF I DID NOT QUITE ENJOY AA'S CAREFUL WRITING AND THE GENERALLY POSITIVE TONE OF THE COMMENTS AND SITE SO I HOPE ANYONE WHO READS THIS COMMENT WILL TAKE IT IN THE CONSTRUCTIVE SENSE THAT I INTEND IT. OK MORE THAN ENOUGH FROM ME.THE TROUBLE WITH ON-LINE IS THE HUGE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IS ABSORBED BY PARTICIPATING IN IT.

Patriciawa

5/06/201342 long, not hard to do, is it? And looking at the journos in the video Jason referred us to above : http://youtu.be/Ui3FDHMQv8E we get an idea of the maturity and quality of reporters working for the Murdoch dominated media and can understand why we are so poorly served. Did someone plan to destroy our once proud press gallery and bring it to this?

nasking

5/06/2013 [b]White Noise [/b] explores several themes that emerged during the mid-to-late twentieth century, e.g., rampant consumerism, media saturation, novelty academic intellectualism, underground conspiracies, the disintegration and reintegration of the family, human-made catastrophes, and the potentially regenerative nature of human violence. The band Airborne Toxic Event took their name from the novel.[6] In Buffy the Vampire Slayer season 2 episode 9, What's My Line: Part 1, the character of Principal Sydner tells the character Xander Harris, "Whatever comes out of your mouth is a meaningless waste of breath, an airborne toxic event." The novel's style is characterized by a heterogeneity that utilizes "montages of tones, styles, and voices that have the effect of yoking together terror and wild humor as the essential tone of contemporary America." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Noise_(novel) N'

Janet (jan@j4gypsy)

5/06/2013Hi Ad, Lyn and all. Sorry for such a long absence. Some Twittertalk later in the week. But for now, a piece from Crikey today. [b]The Power Index: election deciders, the spinners at #3[/b] [i]ANDREW CROOK[/i] Early on Monday -- the Queen's Birthday in every state except WA -- a relaxed and comfortable Australia will slip on its national dressing gown and shuffle, Tony Soprano-style, to the front gate to pick up the morning paper. Screaming off the front page will almost certainly be the fruits of our best political spinners -- possibly a policy announcement, maybe a speech-in-advance or an off-the-record briefing -- carefully crafted to capitalise on the desperation of content-starved hacks. Although the formal election period doesn't kick off until August 12, this long weekend will mark the start of an unofficial spin war as the major parties’ messengers-in-chief -- Julia Gillard's communications director John McTernan and "consigliere" Eamonn Fitzpatrick on the one side, and veteran Liberal masseur Tony O’Leary and Andrew "Hirsty" Hirst on the other -- cross swords over the daily news cycle. Lachlan Harris, Kevin Rudd's press secretary until the morning of his boss' demise in 2010, told The Power Index any spinner worth their salt would be working up a "really aggressive drop" to "hold the cycle" over Monday's idleness: "I'd be very surprised if there wasn’t one from both parties, to really get some bang for your buck." It's just one tactic in a bulging playbook that will include hundreds of explicit and oblique media leaks before September 14. But the main task, as always, will be shaping images -- the wallpaper if you like -- for the 6pm commercial news, ideally involving mobs of screaming, sandwich-free schoolchildren. While The Power Index has shown how tabloid news editors and TV news directors are influential election deciders, both parties' spin rooms are granted a "free pass" during the 33 days of campaigning, when they know the images sent to the networks will be used. The challenge is making sure those images are compelling. One senior Gillard staffer agreed the main job between now and election day would be "producing high-quality content for the Teeves where the message comes punching through the screen ... people still get most of their information on politics and elections from television, and it'll be the main area of contest at the election." In the background, O’Leary and McTernan will mould the terrain -- often via long chats to "influential" gallery elders like Paul Kelly and Laurie Oakes. Inside the Prime Minister's Office, McTernan arguably sits across "four streams" of advice in the manner of hit 1984 film Ghostbusters: the "hard politics" proton pack of Gillard chief-of-staff Ben Hubbard (Venkman), the "pure media" of Fitzpatrick (Stantz), the policy nous of Ryan Batchelor (Spengler) and the focus group and polling wonkery of Tony Mitchelmore and John Utting (Zeddemore). The Coalition operation is complicated by the dominant presence of his chief-of-staff Peta Credlin, but Hirst, who meets each morning with Abbott and Credlin, remains crucial. "In the background, O’Leary and McTernan will mould the terrain -- often via long chats to 'influential' gallery elders like Paul Kelly and Laurie Oakes." Harris says amid the maelstrom, the main game is a binary one -- shaping the incoming and controlling the outgoing messages. But the outgoing narrative is far more important: "The job is to influence the questions, not define the answers. If the question of the day is Gonksi, it’s more likely to give the government a win. If the question is about people smuggling it doesn’t matter how good your answer is, it’s a win for the opposition. Even if you’re the best designer of an answer you’re still doing a bad job if you're on the back foot." It's mostly left to foot-soldiers like former Channel 10 journo-turned-Cleo bachelor of the year nominee James Boyce (Abbott) and Keely O'Brien (Gillard) to deal with pesky journo requests at the coalface. And the media, hungry for scoops, lap up the attention. As many have pointed out, the major takeout from the 18-month Rudd destabilisation campaign was the inability of the press pack to apply even basic scrutiny to strategic leaks that consistently inflated his level of caucus support. Harris recalled a classic media manoeuvre was the "show-me buy", where the 6pm commercial bulletins are tricked into reporting a party's TV ad as "news". In this wily bait and switch, you take out one spot on Bathurst TV at midnight on a Sunday for $30 and then hawk it around as a major new PR initiative. Suddenly the ad's before 5 million sets of prime-time eyeballs. Another other major tool is the internet and social media. The senior Gillard staffer agreed that while the office had to "serve the traditional mainstream media ... there is a whole range of places now where people get information. Facebook, Twitter, the mummy bloggers -- they're all important". It's an horrendously tough gig. Former spinner, policy wonk and strategy adviser to the PM, Nicholas Reece, told The Power Index: “Whether you are in government or opposition, these guys have amongst the toughest jobs in Australia. They are typically covering three or four media cycles over a single day – other people clock on and off while they keep going. “If things are running against you it is harder again. You wake up each day to get kicked in the face by the morning papers and radio. You just put on your battle armour and get into it hoping to turn things around and get back onto your agenda.” And the Labor source says that the job ratchets up again when the party apparatus piles on closer to D-Day: "The comms director jumps on the PM's [wifi-enabled] plane, and the day-to-day strategy is taken over by the campaign office". That's helmed by national secretary George Wright (Labor) and the Coalition's federal director Brian Loughnane. "Everything is done for you, and a much larger team works up the announcement ... McTernan is on those conference calls, and at that point it becomes much wider than the PMO." For the government, the task has become more fiendish in the wake of yesterday's disastrous Newspoll, which showed the ALP's primary vote hadn't moved since the dog days of mid-2011, just after McTernan took over the press operation. The senior Labor source was scathing: "I think it is fair to say that at just over three months out and on 30 primary votes the Scottish experiment has failed ... His aggressive style has alienated the entire gallery. He's tried to placate The Daily Telegraph, with disastrous consequences. There's a lack of understanding of the Australian climate, and the proof’s in the pudding that the combative tactics are not working." A senior Coalition strategist agrees, claiming the PM's confidante is focused on the wrong issues: "John's flaw is he obsesses about the issues in Surry Hills, New Farm and St Kilda. None of that is the story of the day in the seats I call the 'doughnut seats' -- these are the ones that change governments, like Aston, Casey, La Trobe, Bruce, Chisholm. He should think about the voters walking down the main street of Box Hill, white-collar voters with an average income of maybe 70 or 80 grand, the wife works a couple of days part-time and they are really doing it tough. All of these stories like the misogyny debate and the other insider clap trap are a distraction ... There's a fundamental difference." Others object, rating McTernan as "more interesting than the entire Labor senior team put together". While declining to speak on the record with The Power Index, he comes across as engaging and deep into his brief. And as Labor MP Joel Fitzgibbon conceded on Sunrise yesterday, reading straight from Labor's media manual, in the spin game there's still only one poll that counts. One hundred days out, McTernan and co will need to dig deep -- as the Ghostbusters know, the only way to summon enough power to defeat Gozer the Gozerian, the Sumerian shape-shifting god of destruction, is to riskily "cross the streams" of each proton pack into a super slaying force. Achieve this and it'll be O'Leary and Hirst who'll be slimed for life.

nasking

5/06/2013 FLASH FORWARD: [b]Jason Dean Clare (born 22 March 1972) is the Australian Labor Party member of the Australian House of Representatives for the seat of Blaxland in the western suburbs of Sydney. He won the election in the 2... Australian federal election.[/b] WIKIPEDIA

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5/06/2013 [b]LABOR UNITED[/b]

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5/06/2013 [b]Jason Clare is the bright light Labor is grooming for its future. [/b] Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/cleanskin-who-can-renew-labor-20130419-2i5cz.html#ixzz2VJbZjTm2 MY WIFE AND I REALLY DIG JASON CLARE. HE ACTUALLY HAS A SENSE OF HUMOUR...LIKE SIMON CREAN. N'

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5/06/2013 ENJOYED HIS CHAT WITH DAVID SPEARS BEFORE THE HIGH SCHOOL COMMUNITY MEETING...[b]EASY GOING, ARTICULATE, GETS THE MESSAGE ACROSS[/b]...HARD WORKING...INTELLIGENT...KNOWS LIFE ON THE STREETS AND IN BUSINESSES...GOOD SENSE OF HUMOUR...CAN BE CHARMING. NOT JUST INTO ARCHAIC INDUSTRIES...KNOWS CHANGE IS GRADUAL.[b] TECH SAVVY. GOOD AGE. VIBRANT...HUNGRY...WELL-CONNECTED[/b]...EAGER. RATIONAL. [b]LISTENS[/b]... [b]LIKEABLE[/b]: Blaxland sits within a critical bloc of Labor seats. Greenway (Michelle Rowland), Lindsay (David Bradbury), Banks (Daryl Melham), Reid (John Murphy) and Parramatta (Julie Owens) are all held by Labor on margins of less than 4.5 per cent and would be washed away if current polls are translated on September 14. The futures of high-profile Rudd supporters - and now backbenchers - Chris Bowen (McMahon) and Ed Husic (Chifley) are also uncertain despite their margins of 7.8 per cent and 12.3 per cent respectively. Clare, Bowen and Husic - who have known each other for 20 years - share a house in Canberra for sitting days, known as ''the frat house'', but the latest showdown has strained that mateship to breaking point. It is understood the ill-feeling between the friends is likely to force a change in living arrangements when Parliament returns next month. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/cleanskin-who-can-renew-labor-20130419-2i5cz.html#ixzz2VJd0nvbP INDEED [b]COMPROMISE = LABOR UNITED[/b] N'

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5/06/2013 PAUL KEATING: On John Howard "The little desiccated coconut is under pressure and he is attacking anything he can get his hands on" On John Howard "What we have got is a dead carcass, swinging in the breeze, but nobody will cut it down to replace him." On Peter Costello: "He's the greatest L plater of all time." On the Libs: "Those opposite could not operate a tart shop"

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5/06/2013 I DIG WHAT KEATING SAYS HERE ABOUT ABBOTT AND THE GFC: [b]Tony Abbott Character Slam by Paul Keating[/b] http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=R0_BSI6GrZw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DR0_BSI6GrZw KEATING LIKE CLARE KNOWS HOW TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT N'

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5/06/2013 WE DON'T WANT MORE OF THIS IN AUSTRALIA: [b]List of doping cases in cycling[/b] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_cycling

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5/06/2013 WE DON'T WANT THIS IN AUSTRALIA: [b]2012 Aurora shooting[/b] From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Century 16 at Town Center at Aurora Date July 20, 2012 12:38 am – 12:45 am (MDT) Attack type Mass shooting Weapon(s) Tear gas grenade Smith & Wesson M&P15 rifle Remington 870 Express Tactical shotgun Two Glock 22 handguns[1] Deaths 12 INJURED...MANY Suspected perpetrator James Eagan Holmes (in custody) On July 20, 2012, a [b]mass shooting[/b] occurred inside of a Century movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, during a midnight screening of the film The Dark Knight Rises. A gunman, dressed in tactical clothing, set off tear gas grenades and shot into the audience with multiple firearms, killing 12 people and injuring 58 others. The sole suspect is James Eagan Holmes, who was arrested outside the cinema minutes later. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Aurora_shooting [b]TIME FOR REAL CHANGE[/b] N'

nasking

5/06/2013 JASON CLARE WOULD MAKE A GOOD BATMAN. :) N'

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5/06/2013 I NOTICED THIS ABOUT MICHAEL KEENAN He was educated at Murdoch University, Perth, the Australian National University, and Cambridge University, where he obtained a masters degree in philosophy. I WONDER IF HE HAD A TUTOR? I'D LIKE TO READ HIS WORK. He was a property consultant with a real estate firm before entering politics I BET HE WAS. N'

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5/06/2013 [b]Breaking the embargo proves Tanner’s point about media sideshow[/b] BY SCRIBE PUBLICITY MANAGER EMMA MORRIS | [b]APR 27, 2011 [/b] As a book publicist, getting a text message from a journalist to call them isn’t the ideal start to Easter Sunday. Especially when you have a key interview lined up with that journalist for one of the biggest political books to be published this year. This is how I was alerted to the news that Samantha Maiden had run a spoiler story about Lindsay Tanner’s new book Sideshow. Extracts, interviews and stories were all now in jeopardy because she had run a spoiler a week before the embargo date. Playing the “I want the first interview and if I don’t get it I’m not doing it at all” game with the media is all part of the job and certainly the worst aspect of working on books like this. But there is always a level of trust between publicists and the media that when a publisher sends them a copy of a book, they will respect the embargo date and not run stories, opinion pieces or interviews on the book until the date you’ve set. The date is usually when the book is in the shops or close to being in the shops. There has to be a balance between our commercial interest in selling a book and the media’s commercial need to report on its contents, but that gives them time to read the book first. This is a respected professional norm. [b]Samantha Maiden called me a few weeks ago and requested that I not send her a copy of Sideshow because she told me that she couldn’t be trusted to not break the embargo. [/b] [b]She accused Lindsay Tanner of writing mean things about her friend Annabel Crabb in his book. I knew he hadn’t. While she was on the phone I flicked to the index and saw that there was one mention of Annabel Crabb. It was hardly negative. [/b] Even though she has written this story, [b]I very much doubt Samantha Maiden has read the book in its entirety if at all, because if she had, she would have read this in the introduction: “Given the sideshow syndrome[/b], I know that most political journalists will quickly scan this book, looking for shock revelations about the inner workings of the Rudd government. They’ll search for attacks on my former colleagues, and they’ll look for diverting anecdotes from inside the cabinet room. I can save them the bother: they’ll find none of those things here … Personal attacks and salacious revelations seem to sell well; abstract discussions about the future of democracy don’t.” [b]By writing her story when and the way she did, Samantha Maiden has demonstrated exactly what Lindsay Tanner has written about in Sideshow.[/b] [b]She’s taken one aspect of the book, manipulated it, taken it out of context and reported it as news. Her story will only strengthen Tanner’s argument about precisely what is wrong with the Australian media’s reporting of politics.[/b] http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/04/27/breaking-the-embargo-proves-tanners-point-about-media-sideshow/ SAMANTHA SAMANTHA SAMANTHA TUT TUT TUT [b]SAM LUVS THE SHOW.[/b] I WONDER HOW MUCH RUPERT PAYS HER? FOR [b]PLAYING THE GAME[/b] N'

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5/06/2013 THIS LONE EGYPTIAN FELLA THAT EMERSON AND KEENAN ARE VILIFYING AND ATTACKING HOUR AFTER HOUR SHOULD SUE THEIR ASSES OFF. TALK ABOUT TRIAL BY MEDIA & LIBERALS Appalling! THEY WANT TO SEND HIM HOME SO THEY CAN HAVE HIM TORTURED...KILLED...OR DISAPPEARED I RECKON. APPALLING!!! N'

Tom of Melbourne

5/06/2013That's interesting Nasking. You think a convicted murderer should sue? You don't think perhaps that a convicted murderer should perhaps be subject to a little more scrutiny that all those other completely innocent folk and their kids that the government locks up?

Ad astra

5/06/2013Folks The next piece will address the role of political blogsites, specifically [i]TPS[/i]. It will address some of the criticisms that are directed towards this site. One is that it has not addressed in sufficient depth the vexed issue of asylum seekers, especially those reaching our shores by boat. The issue is extraordinarily complex. Those who offer a comment usually do so about a specific aspect of boat arrivals. I cannot remember ever reading a [b]comprehensive analysis[/b] of all the factors involved. Nor can I recall anyone offering a [b]complete[/b] solution. Usually, snippets of advice are given only about some aspects. Typical offerings are: “They should do this”, or “They should not do that”, or “That aspect of the policy is bad, or inhumane, or simply stupid”. [b]When the next piece is posted on Sunday, I will be inviting all who visit here to post what they believe would be an ideal asylum seeker policy for our country.[/b] I will ask you to present it in ‘dot point’ format because that will make it easier to read and assimilate. I will also ask you to preface your dot points with a list of what you wish to achieve with your policy. In other words, aims first, then policy structure in some detail. I know that should you respond you won’t insult our intelligence by simply regurgitating the Abbott asylum policy: his three-headed simplistic plan to “Stop the boats” by ‘turning boats around when safe to do so’, ‘offshore processing’ and ‘temporary protection visas’. You may wish to include some or all of these, but please flesh them out more than Abbott ever attempts to do. He treats us all like mugs. We have had enough of this. The purpose today is to give you several days’ notice, to give you time to think about your ideal asylum seeker policy. It is not an easy assignment because it is such a complex, multi-factorial problem. I will look forward keenly to your offerings once the next piece is posted. The purpose of this proposed exercise is to illustrate some of the difficulties inherent is running a political blogsite, and how much more difficult it is to formulate policy than it is to criticize aspects of it.

Jason

5/06/2013That's interesting ToM, What weight do you put on the conviction of a man where the government that found him guilty was over thrown and the dictator himself facing the newly appointed judiciary? But then again the Liberals and probably you didn't complain much when Hicks was tortured in Egypt either!

Jason

5/06/2013ToM, No doubt another "sound conviction"? CNN) -- An Egyptian court sentenced several dozen workers for non-governmental organizations, including Americans, to jail Tuesday in a case that has infuriated the U.S. government and democratic activists around the world. The workers were accused of having illegal foreign funding. They denied any wrongdoing. All but one of the Americans were sentenced in absentia, having left the country after posting $132,000 each in bail money. http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/04/world/africa/egypt-ngos In all, 43 NGO workers, including several Americans and other foreigners, were charged. The court sentenced 27 NGO workers in absentia to five-year sentences; 11 defendants to one-year suspended jail sentences; and five others to two-year sentences that were not suspended, the state-run Al Ahram newspaper reported. http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/04/world/africa/egypt-ngos

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5/06/2013The trial was conducted in his absence also. The LieNP will not be concerned about any welfare concerns where their rotten attitude to what they still call "ILLEGALS"(which they bloody well aren't) still persist. . Convictions during what is actually a revolution can sometimes be suspect and be politically motivated. This thing might be deeply involved with security matters and maybe.It is not dealt with in open forums because it may have serious security ramifications. I say leave it to those who should be dealing with it.

Miglo

5/06/2013A big thank you to the good folk at TPS who have supported Café Whispers over the years. We're three years old tomorrow. It's hard to believe. Lots of good memories. Lots more to be made in the future.

Jason

5/06/2013Happy Birthday Cafe Whispers!

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5/06/2013 Congrats Cafe Whispers. [b]1958 The Coming of the New Deal: 1933–1935 (The Age of Roosevelt, Vol. II) [/b] Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. http://books.google.com.au/books?id=mj3VmJ38tHIC&printsec=frontcover&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false N'

2353

5/06/2013Geez Migs, it doesn't seem that long. Happy birthday

Sir Ian Crisp

5/06/2013Looks like someone has had to stifle debate by seeking the protection of the censor. I guess they call that 'progressive'.

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5/06/2013 [b]When the next piece is posted on Sunday, I will be inviting all who visit here to post what they believe would be an ideal asylum seeker policy for our country.[/b] [b]I will ask you to present it in ‘dot point’ format because that will make it easier to read and assimilate. I will also ask you to preface your dot points with a list of what you wish to achieve with your policy. In other words, aims first, then policy structure in some detail. [/b] [b]I know that should you respond you won’t insult our intelligence by simply regurgitating the Abbott asylum policy: his three-headed simplistic plan to “Stop the boats” by ‘turning boats around when safe to do so’, ‘offshore processing’ and ‘temporary protection visas’. You may wish to include some or all of these, but please flesh them out more than Abbott ever attempts to do. He treats us all like mugs. We have had enough of this.[/b] [b]The purpose today is to give you several days’ notice, to give you time to think about your ideal asylum seeker policy. It is not an easy assignment because it is such a complex, multi-factorial problem.[/b] AD, WHAT A SUPERB IDEA. I SHALL PUT MY THINKING CAP ON...AND DO SOME RESEARCH. "STOP THE BOATS"...LOL...A DESPERATE THREE WORD SLOGAN THAT DEMONSTRATES SO MUCH [b]TONY ABBOTT[/b]... FRANKLY, I RECKON HE [b]SOUNDS MORE LIKE A SHOCK JOCK THAN A POSSIBLE PM[/b]. [b]NOT A WISE, COMPASSIONATE YET PRAGMATIC LEADER...MORE OF AN ATTENTION-SEEKING DEMOLITION DERBY STYLE SHOCK JOCK.[/b] HIS [b]SIMPLISTIC APPROACH [/b]WILL EVENTUALLY DEMOLISH HIM. AND TAKE SCOTT MORRISON AND MICHAEL KEENAN WITH HIM. "[b]STOP THE BOATS"...I THINK ABBOTT HAS SPENT TOO MUCH TIME IN THE BATH PLAYING WITH HIS RUBBER DUCKY AND TOY BOATS...PLASTIC BOAT PHONE AT THE READY WITH THE LOOFAH[/b]. ------ BTW, PREVIOUSLY MEANT SCOTT MORRISON...NOT EMERSON... [b]THIS LONE EGYPTIAN FELLA THAT MORRISON AND KEENAN ARE VILIFYING AND ATTACKING HOUR AFTER HOUR SHOULD SUE THEIR ASSES OFF. MUST BE AWFUL FOR HIS FAMILY...TRAUMATISING. TALK ABOUT TRIAL BY MEDIA & LIBERALS [/b] N'

nasking

5/06/2013 I FIND IT OFFENSIVE THAT A CERTAIN LIBERAL PARTY WOMAN TALKING TO THE CREATOR OF A MEN'S MENTAL ILLNESS, ANTI-DEPRESSION AD TALKED ABOUT MEN AS THO WE'RE ALL THE SAME..."DO MEN BLAAAH BLAAAH BLAAAH?" I CAN TELL YOU THIS...NOT ME...NOR I DOUBT ANY OF MY MALE FRIENDS, SOME WHO HAVE HAD DEEP DEPRESSION...WOULD FIND THAT STEREOTYPING AD APPEALING...NO MATTER HOW FUNNY SOME THINK IT IS... COMES ACROSS LIKE SOMETHING YOU'D GET FROM THE COALITION... AND I MIGHT ADD, I FIND IT IRONIC THAT JEFF KENNETT IS INVOLVED WITH BEYOND BLUE... THAT MAN'S POLICIES CAUSED SO MUCH SUFFERING TO TEACHERS...AND DEPRESSION...I MET PLENTY OF THEM WHEN THEY FLED UP HERE FOR JOBS. YES, I HOPE SOME MEN WHO ARE SUFFERING FIND THE CAMPAIGN USEFUL...AND THEY ARE HELPED... BUT DON'T LUMP US MALES ALL INTO THE SAME BASKET. THE COMMENT BY THAT PSYCH EXPERT ON THE DRUM THAT MEN DON'T MENTION THEY ARE LONELY OR DOWN TO THEIR FRIENDS IS COMPLETE HORSE POO. SUCH STEREOTYPING PERPETUATES THE VERY PROBLEMS THAT HAVE CAUSED DEPRESSION IN SOME MALES. THE OCKERS AND BIG PATRIARCHS NEED TO STOP TALKING FOR THE REST OF US. HANG OUT WITH DIVERSE MEN IN SYDNEY AND YOU'LL GET WHAT I MEAN. IT'S ALSO A VERY AUSSIE ANGLO-CENTRIC REPRESENTSTION THAT PARTICULAR AD. GROW UP AUSTRALIA! N'

nasking

5/06/2013 [b]BTW, NOT EVERY AMERICAN GUY IS LIKE JAMES BELUSHI EITHER. [/b] N'

nasking

5/06/2013 BIG CON WHAT NEWMAN AND NICHOLS HERE IN QLD ARE SAYING WHEN IT COMES TO INCREASE IN PUBLIC SERVANTS EARNING OVER A 100 GRAND... OF COURSE THOSE FIGURES WILL RISE IF YOU'VE JUST CUT THOUSANDS OF CONTRACTS AND LOWER PAID PUBLIC SERVICE POSITIONS...AS THEY DID. THIS IS JUST AN EXCUSE TO CULL WORKERS AT THE TOP AND IN MANAGEMENT POSITIONS WHO DON'T SUIT THEIR RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVE, PRO-RAMPANT MINING, RAMPANT CATTLE GRAZING, RAMPANT FISHING, RAMPANT INDEPENDENT SCHOOLS, RAMPANT PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT, RAMPANT TREE CLEARING AGENDA... AND TO SAVE A FEW BUCKS...TO REDIRECT INTO THE POCKETS OF THEIR BUSINESS MATES AND DONORS. BLOODY DECEITFUL...AND DISGUSTING. LIKE A SNEAKY STALINIST PURGE. N'

nasking

5/06/2013 THIS BY GREG BAMS @ ONLINE OPINION...2006: '[b]Shock-jock' policies are driving mentally ill people into jails [/b] [b]Prisons are bulging with people who need help for mental illness.[/b] However, if we are to make progress on this societal scourge, then [b]state governments will have to end their populist urge to increase jail terms and to build more prisons[/b]. [b]Mental illness and Australia's prison system go hand in glove[/b] [b]In Victoria, Jeff Kennett, who is now championing the cause of mental health, led a government that increased the prison population by about 30 per cent for males and 60 per cent for females[/b]. IRONIC INNIT? N'

nasking

5/06/2013 [b]THINK OF HOW MY ABOVE COMMENT ABOUT SHOCK JOCK POLICIES AND POLITICIANS AND MENTAL HEALTH RELATES TO ON AND OFFSHORE DETENTION CENTRES.[/b] [b]AND THE VILIFICATION OF MALE REFUGEES...AND THEIR WIVES AND FAMILIES.[/b] N'

nasking

5/06/2013 MEMORIES: [b]Mandatory detention of asylum seekers was popular with sections of the Australian electorate. Some commentators argue that it helped John Howard win the 2001 federal election. While the Australian Labor Party supported the policy as Opposition, in June 2005 a small backbench revolt in Howard's own party led by Petro Georgiou and Judi Moylan resulted in some concessions to humanitarian concerns, including the promised release of long-term detainees and review of future cases by an ombudsman. The Palmer Inquiry was introduced in 2005 after the wrongful detention of mentally ill Cornelia Rau, a German citizen holding Australian permanent residency who had been unlawfully detained for 11 months. The inquiry also found 33 people to have been unlawfully detained with another 200 cases being referred.[/b] [b]Australia's longest-serving detainee Peter Qasim was detained for more than 7 years before being released in 2005. From September 2001, the vast majority of asylum seekers who were eventually found to be refugees were issued with a temporary protection visa which forms a parallel plank of the government's refugee policy.[/b] [b]In 2006 the federal government made a $400,000 compensation payout to an 11-year-old Iranian boy for the psychological harm he suffered while being detained in Woomera and Villawood detention centres between 2000 and 2002.[/b] JUST A REMINDER OF [b]THE HOWARD 'GOLDEN AGE[/b]' AS YOU PUT YER THINKING CAPS ON FOR THE NEXT POST. YES, [b]THE COALITION HAVE FORM[/b]. [b]BEING A-HOLES AND VILIFYING INNOCENTS AND THOSE TRYING TO REFORM IS IN THEIR DNA. [/b] [b]HOW VERY CHRISTIAN OF THEM. NOT.[/b] N'

nasking

5/06/2013 BIG MOUTH STRIKES AGAIN JOE HILDEBRAND HAS INADVERTENTLY PUT HIS BOSS RUPERT IN AN AWKWARD POSITION... JOE ON PAUL MURRAY LIVE SAID COCKILY IN REFERENCE TO THE NBN AND ASBESTOS THAT THE LITTLE GUY...THE SUB-CONTRACTORS SHOULDN'T BE HUNG OUT TO DRY...THERE IS JOE STATES ADAMANTLY: [b]A CHAIN OF RESPONSIBILITY[/b] JOE HILDEBRAND...WE AGREE...WHEN IT COMES TO PHONE AND COMPUTER HACKING. THE GOVERNOR MUST BE PENALISED. JAMES AND RUPERT MURDOCH AND NEWS CORP TOP EXECS MUST BE CHARGED...FINED...AND PUT IN JAIL. SIMPLE AS THAT. N'

tiffany232

5/06/2013On the beyond blue thing. My partner suicided some years ago. There were no warning signs. No threats of any kind, Could I have stopped it. No. Do I feel guilty? Yes, every day of my life since then.

Tom of Melbourne

5/06/2013[i]BEING A-HOLES AND VILIFYING INNOCENTS AND THOSE TRYING TO REFORM IS IN THEIR DNA.[/i] ...and the record of Gillard is...?

Tom of Melbourne

5/06/2013[i]"STOP THE BOATS"[/i] I can't stand 3 word slogans. However slogans like "ANOTHER BOAT, ANOTHER POLICY FAILURE[/i], as expressed by Gillard are 5 words and therefore approved.

Catspan

6/06/2013Hullo lefty tossers. The resident wise guy Dastra (or whatever) says: [i]"This piece attempts to identify the factors that generate hate and loathing of PM Gillard, her Government, and the Labor Party."[/i] Mate - job done! The factors to which you refer are her lies, her incompetence, her hideous barge-arse and the maladministration of her entire "government" - as well as the unbroken chain of disasters they have left behind them at every turn - starting with the roof insulation debacle and finishing with the NBN asbestos fiasco. Mate - these clutch of klutzes couldn't sell meat tray raffle tickets in a pub without causing injury or loss to at least 75% of the pub patrons. And look at them all now - running around panic stricken, banging into each other like a bunch of Keystone Cops, all of them shouting hysterically "Don't panic! Don't panic!" Mate - you're the walking dead - you're a bunch of smashed crabs. In September, Tony and his boys will casually stroll around after the election and bayonet the ALP wounded. And it couldn't happen to a better bunch of complete f#wits. You deserve what's coming. And I'll be back on that happy day to tell you how ecstatic I am that the government of Australia has been handed back to a team of competent adults. Put another $20 on Gillard to win, Turkey boy - I want to see you lose every cracker you can scratch together. Tell you what, mate - on the bet that the ALP will win the next election - I'll give you odds of 20 to 1 [b]against [/b]that bet. Wassamatta, mate - cat got your tongue? Run out of moolah? Short arms and long pockets? You're weak, pathetic and doomed. Get used to it - road kill.

TalkTurkey

6/06/2013To [i]Puttin' on the Agony[/i] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxKVFW347uM Bagging the economy, spreading fears and smears: That's all this Opposition's been doing all these years! Slagging our democracy with lies and jeers and sneers Bagging the economy, spreading fears and smears! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hey listen Comrades: Ad astra would still have some Brucie the Bilby books which are yours for the asking! [i]How can you love my pretty little book of eco~educational verse and graphics[/i] (as many do) [i]if you don't got one?[/i] Just contact Ad via Contact at top of this page. DO IT FOR YOUR GREAT GRANDCHILDREN ! Brucie longs to be free! FREEE !

Mal Kukura

6/06/2013Can anyone spot any political hate speech in this from napstaC : Hullo lefty tossers. The resident wise guy Dastra (or whatever) says: "This piece attempts to identify the factors that generate hate and loathing of PM Gillard, her Government, and the Labor Party." Mate - job done! The factors to which you refer are her lies, her incompetence, her hideous barge-arse and the maladministration of her entire "government" - as well as the unbroken chain of disasters they have left behind them at every turn - starting with the roof insulation debacle and finishing with the NBN asbestos fiasco. Mate - these clutch of klutzes couldn't sell meat tray raffle tickets in a pub without causing injury or loss to at least 75% of the pub patrons. And look at them all now - running around panic stricken, banging into each other like a bunch of Keystone Cops, all of them shouting hysterically "Don't panic! Don't panic!" Mate - you're the walking dead - you're a bunch of smashed crabs. In September, Tony and his boys will casually stroll around after the election and bayonet the ALP wounded. And it couldn't happen to a better bunch of complete f#wits. You deserve what's coming. And I'll be back on that happy day to tell you how ecstatic I am that the government of Australia has been handed back to a team of competent adults. Put another $20 on Gillard to win, Turkey boy - I want to see you lose every cracker you can scratch together. Tell you what, mate - on the bet that the ALP will win the next election - I'll give you odds of 20 to 1 against that bet. Wassamatta, mate - cat got your tongue? Run out of moolah? Short arms and long pockets? You're weak, pathetic and doomed. Get used to it - road kill. CatspanapstaC Does it qualify as hate speech or is it only worthy of diagnosis as feeble minded sociopathic apelike verbal aggression? Remedies? The mirror.

lyn

6/06/2013Today’s Links Grooming the Poodle Class by @MikeSeccombe But we shouldn’t laugh. For in his other role, as education spokesman for the Liberal Party, Pyne is in the front lines of a class war. He and his colleagues on Wednesday voted against the government’s Australian Education Bill which, if implemented, would see an extra $14.5 billion in state and federal money flow to schools http://powerhouse.theglobalmail.org/grooming-education-for-the-poodle-class/ Asbestos: who is accountable when things go wrong? by Dominic Kelly in their haste to blame the Gillard government and the “government business enterprise” NBN Co, some commentators appeared to have failed to see that they are contradicting their related campaigns about deregulation, cost cutting and the elimination of “red tape”. In fact, the sorts of problems being reported, as well as http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/04/asbestos-deregulation-australia Carbon emissions from electricity reduced by 10 million tonnes since carbon price by @StopTony2013 Fairfax papers reported today that the carbon intensity of Australia’s electricity market fell by 5.4 per cent since the introduction of the carbon price. http://stoptony2013.com/2013/06/05/carbon-emissions-from-electricity-reduced-by-10-million-tonnes-since-carbon-price/ Tony Abbott: Not necessarily pure of heart by @minkelCA I join Prime Minister Julia Gillard in recognising that Tony Abbott is just trying to politicise the discovery of asbestos. I hope she also recognises Tony Abbott as the consummate hypocrite for his current concern. He doesn’t have a history of any compassion. But he does now. Especially when he can feign his concerns to condemn the NBN. http://theaimn.com/2013/06/05/tony-abbott-not-necessarily-pure-of-heart/ An Accomplished Woman and a News Corporation- So Unfair, So Unbalanced by Utherssay Accomplishments that could lift a nation. Australia’s first female PM . Presiding over an economy the envy of the World. http://utherssay.com/2013/06/04/a-view-of-australian-politics-not-news-limited-by-the-news-corporation/ ABC’s ‘Furdoch’ News blows case for public funding by @independentaus We know in advance that the Murdoch media will attack the Federal Government and boost the Tony Abbott-led Opposition in news reportage at almost every chance. We are increasingly observing the same at Fairfax since Gina Reinhart bought an influential interest. http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/business/media-2/abcs-furdoch-news-blows-case-for-public-funding/ The News Limited distortion field, and Rudd-Gillard in historical perspective by @rgmerk Whether you accept that Rudd and Gillard have led timid goverments or not, this piece of hackery from Irvine approaches Bolt-like levels of casual disregard for facts. I’d be embarrassed to put my name to it. http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/06/the-news-limited-distortion-field-and-rudd-gillard-in-historical-perpsective/ Big Business Loves Dead End Jobs @newmatilda The reaction to Monday’s decision by Fair Work Australia to grant a 2.6 per cent boost to the minimum wage was so predictable that The Australian didn’t bother to report it on their front page. It was reserved for the message that NBN, and therefore “Labor”, is to blame for a decision by Telstra's predecessor, the Postmaster-General, to use asbestos in the 1950s and 1960s http://newmatilda.com/2013/06/05/big-business-loves-dead-end-jobs Julie Bishop denies The Guardian article by @no_filter_Yamba http://northcoastvoices.blogspot.com.au/2013/06/julie-bishop-denies-guardian-article.html Rupert’s Rogue Newspoll by @FairMediaAllian How could we possibly be expected to believe that in the last week, the Coalition leapt by 3 percentage points while Labor dropped a full percentage point?And yet many in the media either fell for it, or pretended to. http://fairmediaalliance.wordpress.com/2013/06/05/ruperts-rogue-newspoll/ DisabilityCare, Geelong and the Decentralisation of Public Services by @aussiepollies The only state yet to sign up to the full roll-out of the Gillard Government’s new plan for disability services is Western Australia. And just a few short weeks ago, the legislation for the funding of the disability scheme was introduced into the parliament and swiftly passed through both the upper and lower houses of parliament. http://aussiepollies.com/2013/06/05/disabilitycare-geelong-and-the-decentralisation-of-public-services/ NSW Labor Senator Doug Cameron versus ABC’s Tony Abbott PR Machine BY @turnleft2013 @MigloMT In the ongoing saga of ABC pushing the Liberal-National talking points at every opportunity, this time with NSW Senator Doug Cameron http://theaimn.com/2013/06/05/nsw-labor-senator-doug-cameron-versus-abcs-tony-abbott-pr-machine/ Guardian Aus compromises its integrity by @btckr an error of judgment in bowing to pressure to change its front page headline on Monday and to insert a paragraph to compensate for Bishop’s claim that she had insisted repeatedly to the Guardian interviewer that no formal agreement had been reached with the Indonesian government http://truthinmediaresourcecentre.wordpress.com/2013/06/05/did-guardian-aus-get-it-right/ 2GB boss says Alan Jones detractors are ‘left wingers’ with ‘bugger all’ commitment by @mumbrella They were mostly, you know, leaning hard-left wingers who probably listened to the ABC when they listened to anything and didn’t have a job – they seemed to be spending a lot of time on Facebook.” http://goo.gl/Gi3rG Julie Bishop’s New Vocation by Patricia wa If indeed she has succeeded in persuading the Indonesians to cooperate with an incoming LNP government on this she will have had more success than Tony Abbott whose boat plan is not only unpopular with the Indonesian government. Not much seems to have changed in the eighteen months since he had to………. http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/ Tony Abbott and the Great Australian Witch Hunt by C@tmomma @HillbillySkill Tony Abbott might have felt, if only initially and long since passed, as he began his public attacks on a woman with verbal violence of a ferocity never before witnessed in Australian politics. In fact, I’m hard pressed to think of any other female leader of a country or political party who has been so publicly demeaned by her male political opponent, http://pbxmastragics.com/2013/06/04/tony-abbott-and-the-great-australian-witch-hunt/ The glorified baby bonus by @JaneTribune Paid parental leave won’t make a difference to the entrenched social and market forces that created the gender pay gap. Here’s one simple suggestion that might. http://www.kingstribune.com/index.php/weekly-email/item/1818-the-glorified-baby-bonus Economic data does not win elections by @GrogsGamut if we take a snap shot of the world in the past three years and compare it to the three years prior to the 2007 election you'll see that we're doing as good - if not a bit better - comparatively. This measure is fair as it both cuts out the start of the mining boom in 2002-03 and the GFC in 2008-09. http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4732146.html Every picture tells a story. From today's RBA chart pack- by @1petermartin http://www.petermartin.com.au/2013/06/where-we-are-graphs-that-tell-story.html AFR erases Australia’s shadow banking history by @macro_business just as in the US, Australian shadow banking was heavily integrated with traditional banks at the regional level. The entire sector hit the wall in the GFC just as certainly as it did elsewhere with securitisers like RAMS collapsing overnight and banks like St George http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/06/afr-erases-australias-shadow-banking-history/ How Gillard could win for Labor by @JohnQuiggin2 Would this work? I’m not really sure. But given Abbott’s failure to achieve any popular support at a time when Labor has plumbed unheard of depths of popular support, it would have to be worth a shot. At a minimum, it would help avoid the Queensland-style wipeout that is currently on the cards. http://johnquiggin.com/2013/06/05/how-gillard-could-have-won-for-labor-repost/ Solar spike helps deliver record for Australian renewable generation by Sophie Vorrath “At the end of the year, a cumulative total of almost 937,000 consumers had invested their own money in solar power technology to take the heat out of rising power bills,” says the report, bringing the number of all of the nation’s households fitted with a solar power system to around 10 per cent. http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/solar-spike-helps-deliver-record-for-australian-renewable-generation-22909 Neoliberal climate politicsm by Antoinette Abboud geoengineering is in fact a central part of the Coalition’s Direct Action plan. They are proposing cash incentives for farmers who sequester carbon in the ground. But a three-year CSIRO study raises serious doubts about how it could work – to meet a target of just 5% emission reductions by 2020 this process will require up to 500 million hectares, or two thirds of Australia’s landmass. http://overland.org.au/2013/06/climate-politics-on-a-neoliberal-planet/ A Perfect Distraction by @sortius Turnbull’s performance on Lateline last night exemplifies the hypocrisy of Liberal party MPs. Not only did he shirk the Coalition’s responsibility with regard asbestos on Telstra’s network, he went on to claim that the asbestos in the ground was somehow NBN Co’s fault. There was some rambling about mismanagement, even though NBN Co has no control over Telstra. http://sortius-is-a-geek.com/?p=3056 Save the NBN ON THE 14TH OF SEPTEMBER YOU WILL BE ASKED TO VOTE . ON THE FUTURE OF TELECOMMUNICATIONS IN THIS COUNTRY the competing policies: http://savethenbn.com/# Today’s Front Pages Australian Newspaper Front Pages for 6 June 2013 http://www.thepaperboy.com/australia/front-pages.cfm News headlines http://www.hotheadlines.com.au/

nasking

6/06/2013 Mal Kukura, the problem with anonymous characters like Catspan and Tom of Everywhere is ya really don't know if they are bona-fide...for all we know, they are students from Sydney or Melbourne university...part of Young Liberals...or working for The Liberals or News Ltd from home??? I suspect that Catspan puts on the rough and ready, boganish and blokey Aussie bit...the way a number of News Ltd people do...they are in fact well paid elites putting on a show to dupe the so called 'battlers'. I live in one of these areas and can identify imitation boganism and fake 'battler' from a thousand miles away. I will go into detail more later. There are plenty who work for Murdoch's 'The Sun', 'The Herald Sun', 'The Daily Telegraph' etc that are also big fakes...that includes certain political cartoonists who sooo put it on they sound like the creation of a stand-up comedian... or those Aussies who go overseas and sound like cliches right off the set of Crocodile Dundee, Ned Kelly, Gallipoli, Alvin Purple, They're a Weird Mob, Mad Max and every ocker John Singleton, 'true blue', VB and other 'blokey' ad...and film...you can find... ehhh MATE??? N'

Ad astra

6/06/2013LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/LYNS-DAILY-LINKS.aspx

nasking

6/06/2013 [quote]ALL THE WORLD'S A STAGE[/quote]... INDEED... AND SOME RELISH THEIR PROFITEERING AND OCKER ROLES THAN OTHERS... THE HISTORY OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF 'THE OCKER' IS VERY INTERESTING. AS IS THIS OBSESSION WITH MIGRANTS...AND BOAT PEOPLE: Stories set in stone reveal gems from the past A picturesque spot in Sydney is home to some stories literally set in stone and they are delighting archaeologists, historians and tourists alike with what they reveal. Transcript LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: We've all heard the saying that something is set in stone. When it comes to Australian history, that's actually literally true. [b]Thousands of migrants passed through the old quarantine station in Sydney and many of them left their mark in the sandstone cliffs and buildings. Now a team of archaeologists is trying to discover the stories behind the carvings. [/b] MAX HOWIE: [b]They come out to Australia in 90 days at sea, I understand. Quarantined here, obviously. But they built the Art Gallery, they built the Mitchell Library, they built Parramatta jail.[/b] TRACY BOWDEN: [b]It might be a beautiful setting, but for many people this was an unhappy and frightening place. The sickest ended up here in the hospital on the hill. Almost 600 people died at the quarantine station and some of the messages reflect the anxiety they must've felt.[/b] ANNIE CLARKE: [b]Some of the Asian ones that have been translated are quite sad and quite poignant, you know, "I wish I'd never come here. Don't come here; I feel really sad."[/b] TRACY BOWDEN: [b]This inscription was carved in 1917 by an internee from China. In part it says, "I'm frightened of having the disease. Moreover, the doctor is helpless to control the sickness. Feeling pessimistic and despondent."[/b] ANNIE CLARKE: You do see - in some of them it does say so-and-so died on a voyage. And it does make - all the time you're thinking about who the people are, what made them do these inscriptions. TRACY BOWDEN: Once Annie Clarke and her team have compiled all of the stories from the sandstone, they'll create a digital database, including not just details about the inscriptions and the people who made them, but shipping, migration and health records. ANNIE CLARKE: This 19th and 20th Century history of Australia is about immigration. So we're all - you know, whether it's this generation or five generations back, we're all migrants in some way. So it tells that - it is really about that story of the creation of the nation. PETER HOBBINS: Just tracking down the really interesting stories out of that information and telling those stories and sharing them with the public is something that we're really thrilled to be doing and documenting it for posterity as well. http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3775587.htm PLUS CE CHANGE... [b]AND ALL THE MEN AND WOMEN MERELY PLAYERS... [/b] [b]SOME PLAYERS MORE THAN OTHERS...PUTTING ON THE BIG SHOW...AIDED AND ABETTED BY THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA.[/b] N'

cornlegend

6/06/2013Catspan Is that offer of 20 to 1 for an ALP victory open for everyone ? You are giving better odds than Tom Waterhouse. I'd be interested in 5k at those odds. We need to hook up, will see about getting you my contact details.

Ad astra

6/06/2013tiffany232 Your sad experience reminds us of how it is sometimes impossible to predict suicide, even in close family members, and how devastating it is for so long. Our hearts are with you.

Michael

6/06/2013Tony Abbott likes to talk about how a national government led by him will be an "adult government". He trots out how many of his shadow ministry were Ministers in the last Coalition government, and that because they've already done the job(s), when they get them back, they'll know exactly what they're doing from Day One. Problem is, Abbott and his crew have a collective memory of being in government which is based on exactly the same period that the International Monetary Fund recorded as including the two most profligate periods of government spending in Australian history. These two factors are NOT either coincidental or irrelevant to each other. The simplest truth is that the Howard/Costello Coalition government was so awash in tax revenues from the first mining boom that they literally threw money away. Exorbitant middle-class welfare, tax cut bribes at every budget, a Future Fund to bankroll public servants' superannuation but sold to the voters as some sort of 'insurance against bad times' for the whole nation (now that's smoke and mirrors!), an education policy featherbedding the offspring of millionaires... They had it easy easy easy in government. THAT's what Abbott remembers as how governing happens, a period without economic troughs anything like the Global Financial Crisis, which neither he nor his putative treasurer, Joe Hockey, seem to recall happening at all. He calls his idea of government "adult", but I remember that almost all of Howard's Prime Ministership he was described as "lucky". And he was. He was also cunning, greedy and complicit with higher-placed taskmasters like Dubya Bush and Rupert Murdoch, but he was very very lucky. None of that easy greased government is available to Abbott. Times have changed, and simply telling people (and himself) that going back to the policies of Howard's "Golden Age", filling the roles with the same players, will make everything 'adult' again. Has Abbott been 'adult' in Opposition? Does anything he's done as Leader of the Opposition suggest even an iota of understanding about what is required of a Prime Minister? Does anything about the way the 'disciplined' Coalition party room falls in behind him, with all his mad statements and weird body language tell us anymore than that they want 'their' ministerial offices back whatever it takes? No. What it tells us is that this Coalition, backwards-looking without even the wit to see what actually happened under Howard, if elected will govern with day by day increasing awareness that they don't have even the first idea what to do "tomorrow". Ask the boss? Ask the PM? Go to Tony? Yeah, right. Abbott PM? He's not up to it.

cornlegend

6/06/2013Would advise any one interested in CATSPANS odds to get on. Way better odds than Sportsbet, Centrbet, Bet 365 or Waterhouse. 100 days out. Take the bet. If interested Catspan, will double previous offer Let me know today, can't find anywhere you can "lay off" at, at those odds. Lay off , for the uninitiated, is to take "insurance" , by bunging some of your wager of to the bookies, in case things go guts up

cornlegend

6/06/2013Catspan. This is better than the bookies, Got my winnings from the State of Origin last night. What odds will you give me for Gillard preferred Prime Minister over Abbott. We will use Essential Polling results for August as the determining factor. I eagerly await your response. I do get a bit bored in retirement. Like to spice up my life

nasking

6/06/2013 LET'S SHINE A LIGHT ON 'OCKERISM'...THE CONSTRUCTION...OF...REASONS FOR...AND PROFITABLE NATURE OF...STARTING WITH: [b]Patricia Johnson, “Singleton: the White Kight of Ockerdom,”[/b] [b]Cleo, June, 1975[/b], pp. 57-59. Other advertising people dislike him for damaging the “Australian image.” [b]But is he now going to impress his Ocker philosophy on our brand new political party[/b]? An interview by Patricia Johnson. A bright Sunday morning on a summer long weekend would seem hardly an appropriate time to launch a new Australian political party. [b]But at the initial Press conference of the Workers’ Party, at the end of January this year, a surprisingly large number of journalists turned up to be told of the tenets of the new party which had gone, officially, into action the night before at the Sydney Opera House.[/b] [b]Abolition of taxation One of those there to spread the world about the new party — the platform for which includes such points as the eventual abolition of taxation, less government and goodbye to welfare schemes such as the old age pension — was John Singleton. John Singleton is an advertising man[/b] whose fame (or is it notoriety?) has [b]had a lot to do with politics[/b]. [b]He was responsible for the controversial television commercials which were aired throughout Australia just before the last elections. On camera himself, he has voiced the opinion that “a socialist is a bum.”[/b] [b]The emotive and violently anti Labor Party commercials earned him the wrath of his fellow advertising men. [/b] More than 60 of them got together and took out a full page advertisement in a national paper of Advertising People in Defence Of Advertising. Under the list of names was the copy: “We wouldn’t have made these commercials.” Singleton’s reply to the gesture — quoted in newspapers throughout the country — was short and cynical. “That,” he said, “is why they are broke and I am rich.” [b]He has been called, in banner news headlines, John Simpleton. [/b] His advertisements for clients such as discount stores, car retailers and tyre services — all exaggerated Ocker with no frills whatsoever — have been accused of setting back the Australian image by at least 10 years. [b]John Singleton is only just 33 and is reputed to have achieved millionaire status some time ago[/b] (“I’ve never claimed to be a millionaire; let’s just say I’m not broke”). He was the first ad man in this country — possibly in the world — to persuade a minister of God to advertise a less-than-Godly commercial product. [b]The offices of advertising agency Doyle Dane Bernbach, of which John Singleton is managing director, are in an area of Sydney which once comprised slums and brothels. Now, though, the narrow shouldered terrace houses are revamped and trendy. Mr Singleton’s office in one of these terraces, upstairs, is hardly grand.[/b] [b]He is wearing a smart suit [/b]and a patterned shirt. Hair very blond, he’s cast a little in the Paul Hogan mould. He is very Australian looking, just the sort you would recognise overseas. Singleton crosses his legs — an ankle on to a knee — [b]leans back in his swivel chair and wonder what anyone could possibly want to know about him.[/b] “No, criticism worries me for everybody else’s sake but never for my own — I just don’t care. Most of the advertising in this country is boring, bland and forgettable; most advertising here has been a rip-off for the past 25 years. [b]Ours is effective[/b] and therefore it’s talked about and it’s criticised. [b]All you are is a reflection of what you do in the media, so if you’re well know that means your work, your advertising, is doing what it is supposed to be doing.”[/b] The brace of telephones which shrill every couple of minutes are really the only outward sign that this is the work of a man whose life philosophy is “to set yourself an unattainable goal and then attain it.” The Singleton phone conversations are short and pithy. “[b]No, mate, the Brisbane channels say we can’t specifically name our Jap competitors.” “Not on, sorry, not a Sunday breakfast meeting; weekends I don’t work[/b].” He dictates briefly into a mini machine, smiles, says: “Sorry, I have to do this or else, the system collapses.” And there are a couple of telephone calls, too, about the new political party. In Australia, over the past few years, politics as party fodder has become something of the norm, on the same neck-and-neck par with the public loosening of tongues on sexual topics. Once you would no more ask anyone his or her political sway (very few people had one, anyway) than you would ask them their particular preferences in sexual intercourse. But [b]John Singleton wears his politics like a banner. He is chairman, and one of the four governing directors, of the Workers’ Party.[/b] [b]My big goal at the moment is to help educate the majority of Australians as to what is happening in the country,[/b] make them understand what freedom and individual rights are all about. “[b]Sure, I’m involved financially in it. If[/b] you support something it costs you time and money and my big goal at the moment is to help educate the majority of Australians as to what is happening in the country, make them understand what freedom and individual rights are all about.” [b]There are those who would say that what the Workers’ Party is about is not freedom and individual rights, certainly not for everybody, [/b]but John Singleton is convinced that the party is going to succeed — eventually. [b]It’s not constructed to be popular or even to win; it’s constructed so that people are educated to know what is really happening under a socialistic government.[/b] “Our philosophy is in terms of 50 years hence,” he said. “100 years on. Our platform is bound to be unpopular in lots of ways but it’s not [b]constructed[/b] to be popular or even to win; it’s [b]constructed[/b] so that people are educated to know what is really happening under a socialistic government. Even the Liberals are already into gradual socialism and also they’re tied up with social acceptance and respectability and other things that lead to decay.” [b]John Singleton is chairman of the new party. Would he ever consider becoming president? [/b](The first and present president is a South Australian doctor, John Whiting). “There are far better suited people, far more intellectual, who could offer that job far more than I could.” And what about power? “I don’t think I have it [b]and I find the thought of wielding power most unappealing.” [/b] What does appeal, though, is a challenge — any kind — and what he sees as a lack of challenge for him in advertising now is responsible for a few maverick thoughts about his future in the profession. [b]His idea of the greatest living Australian is, not too surprisingly, self made millionaire mining magnate, Lang Hancock.[/b] http://economics.org.au/2013/01/singleton-the-white-knight-of-ockerdom/ LANG HANCOCK EH? GINA'S ASBESTOS MINING DAD EH? WORKERS' PARTY EH? THOUGHT OF WIELDING POWER MOST UNAPPEALING EH? NO LONGER EYES WIDE SHUT SINGLETON HAS MADE A MINT OUTA 'CONSTRUCTING OCKERISM'... AND CONVINCING THE VOTERS TO VOTE AGAINST THEIR OWN INTERESTS... JUST LIKE MURDOCH. ALAN JONES AND OTHER SHOCK JOCKS WORK FOR THIS MEGA-RICH DICK. THEY WANT JULIA OUT...DEFINED HER AS 'JULIAR'... AND THEY WANT TAX CUTS...EVEN FOR GINA...FORREST...AND YES, THE WORKING CLASS RICH RICH MAN... CLIVE PALMER. THEY LUV ACTION MAN ABBOTT. OPEN YER EYES. N'

cornlegend

6/06/2013Catspan. Have a registered Bookie, AJC, willing to hold bets for 4%, if interested, willing to deposit Bank Cheque today.

nasking

6/06/2013 YATES OF THE YARD!!! THINGS ARE GETTING COMPLICATED FOR MURDOCH AND REDHEAD IN THE UK. N'

Ad astra

6/06/2013Mal Kukura You have now experienced another of our visitors who come here to spread nastiness – Catspan. You have seen the inconsequential offerings of Sir Ian and ToM, but Capstan plumbs nastiness to an even greater depth. As nasking says, we don’t know who these people are, or whom they might represent. They are irritants, like blowflies at a barbeque. Capstan sometimes exhibits such a degree of nastiness, and at times such hatred, that I delete his comments. I’ve left the one from early this morning because it exemplifies so pointedly the political hatred that this piece depicts.

Tom of Melboune

6/06/2013Ad Astra thinks anyone who offers a logical, legitimate alternative to his own partisan blinkered view is an irritant. If he is concerned about “nastiness” he need look no further than a few of his own supporters.

Catching up

6/06/2013Was that exhibition of Pyne abusing the speaker and house yesterday, an example of an adult politician?

Truth Seeker

6/06/2013Cornlegend, now you know why many here refer to it as CRAP STAIN :-) Very apt :-O I certainly wouldn't hold your breath while you're waiting ;-) Cheers :-) :-)

cornlegend

6/06/2013AD Astra. Don't delete Catspan yet. I want the bet. Time he put up or shut up He said. ", Turkey boy - I want to see you lose every cracker you can scratch together. Tell you what, mate - on the bet that the ALP will win the next election - I'll give you odds of 20 to 1 against that bet. Wassamatta, mate - cat got your tongue? Run out of moolah? Short arms and long pockets? You're weak, pathetic and doomed. Get used to it - road kill. " Really demeaning of another poster. " Short arms and long pockets? You're weak, pathetic and doomed." Now is the time for Catspan to "man up." I haven't got short arms. I'm willing to take you on, on you wager. 10k at 20 to 1 ? Catspan, I'm waiting. Time for you to "put up or shut up C

cornlegend

6/06/2013Truthseeker, I will like him, if he takes my bet. As you know Truthy, I'm a bit of a mad punter, can't get odds like that anywhere. And Truthseeker, sorry I had to take the money when your beloved States team went down last night. Not only do you have to suffer Newman, but losing the state of origin, damn. I'm off to read a Truthseeker poem, while I wait

Truth Seeker

6/06/2013cornlegend, glad you had a win mate :-) I was pretty sure they would lose that one ;-) I look forward to your feedback on my latest :-) Cheers :-) :-)

nasking

6/06/2013 ALL THE WORLD'S A STAGE...BUT SOME BUILD THEIR OWN...AND ACT LIKE FIENDS...TO DISTRACT FROM CORE ISSUES... AND HELP THEIR MEDIA, RACING INTERESTS...AND THEIR MATES'...GO KERCHING!!! THE PERFORMANCE BECOMES SOOO OBVIOUS...FROM FAUX BATTLES...TO KING KONG: 9 May 2013, [b]A trainer, a bookie and a ‘drunk’: the Waterhouse saga simply screams Sydney[/b] [b]The Gai Waterhouse-John Singleton horse racing imbroglio has the feel of fiction. Its cast of characters could easily spring from the treatment for a new Underbelly series or the pages of a Peter Corris novel. News and narrative have here aligned with rare precision.[/b] [b]The Racing NSW stewards hearing has provided rich material for imaginative play, generating multiple walk-on parts for actors described by others in the production as: the “drunk” (John Singleton), the “trumped-up jockey” (Allan Robinson), the “brothel owner” (Eddie Hayson), the “footballer” (Andrew Johns), the “bookie” (Tom Waterhouse), the “snob” and “failed actress” (Gai Waterhouse). Its participants have played to the gallery, feeling “like rock stars” (in Singleton’s words) while competing for nightly news grabs.[/b] Although this is a national story, its context is unmistakeable. [b]The main character of this mediated melodrama is Sydney itself. [/b] Should [b]Leviathan[/b], John Birmingham’s rambunctious unauthorised biography of Sydney, deservedly go to a new edition, it would surely contain a vivid portrait of 21st century Sydney as seen through the More Joyous affair. [b]Birmingham quotes the archetypal Sydney “character”, William Charles Wentworth, who in 1824 held that:[/b] [b]Scandal appears to be a favourite amusement to which idlers resort to kill time and prevent ennui, and, consequently, the same families are eternally changing from friendship to hostility, and from hostility back to friendship again.[/b] [b]Wentworth might have written those same words today for an upmarket magazine or edgy blog in describing the Waterhouse-Singleton daily spectacle of frayed friendships and tentative reconciliations.[/b] What does the current scandal tell us about Sydney past and present, and its place within the national imagination? Despite Melbourne’s own rich history of scandal and transgression, it is Sydney that has assumed and retained the mantle of [b]Australia’s “Sin City[/b]”. [b]Sydney is enduringly characterised by a residual freewheeling, colonial, “whatever it takes” lawlessness coupled with a brazen, aggressively unenlightened self-interest.[/b] [b]It is notable that Singleton versus Waterhouse has occurred at a time when another very Sydney matter has been played out in the daily national news. [/b] [b]The NSW Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC) inquiry into the awarding of lucrative mining leases –[/b] with its daily revelations of long lunches and friends with benefits – has reinforced long-held views that the spirit of the Rum Corps still runs through the city like the Tank Stream (now a drain) below it. [b]Horse racing has played more than a bit part[/b] in this dubious civic reputation. The “sport of kings” has always been a confusing mixture of establishment respectability, genuine equine affinity, working class “vocabularies of hope”, [b]celebrity attention seeking, and dubious connections. [/b] But the figure of the “colourful racing identity” is essentially a Sydney invention, a defamation-defying euphemism for its [b]roll call of SP bookies, loan sharks, bent politicians, “whale” wagerers and their associates[/b]. Its vivid tableau of spivs and [b]mug punters[/b] resonates well with an image of place where the odds are seen to be loaded against honest citizens in favour of more worldly rule benders and influence peddlers. The current controversy over the promotion of sport gambling on television is not mainly about horse racing or focused on Sydney. The terms of reference for the Senate inquiry into “the advertising and promotion of gambling services in sport” are generic, referring only to “in-game promotion and the integration of gambling into commentary and coverage”, “[b]exposure to, and influence on, children”, the “effect on the integrity of, and public attitudes to, sport”[/b], and so on. Yet in public debate on the issue, the Waterhouse name – and especially Tom, scion of the bookmaking dynasty – has been much in evidence. It is the omnipresence of Waterhouse’s youthful, smiling visage in and outside sport broadcasts, and his use as a faux television sports commentator to promote gambling on sport, that has given additional impetus to anti-gambling campaigns. [b]Tom makes much of being “born to bet”, but understandably less of the part of his patrimony that saw his grandfather Bill and father Robbie – both bookmakers – warned off racecourses after the 1984 Fine Cotton affair.[/b] The prominence of Waterhouse in the national controversy about sport and betting inevitably evoked the image of Sydney as a place where “anything goes”. When the [b]Sydney-based Channel Nine [/b]and Tom Waterhouse stretched the TV-sport-gambling trifecta to its limit, it was easily read as the national dissemination of this Sydney ethos. When allegations (as noted, furiously contested) were made that Tom had conferred with his mother Gai over the health of Singleton’s horse More Joyous, there was more focus on the noisy spat than surprised concern at what had been alleged. [b]Sydney, for many, was just acting the part.[/b] [b]David Williamson’s characterisation of Sydney in Emerald City “as New York without the intellect” is oftencited as a put-down. But there are many in Australia, and some of the city’s own residents, who would award it the status of documentary. As events at Randwick unfold, we are witnessing a very Sydney tale that’s been running far longer than The Mousetrap.[/b] http://theconversation.com/a-trainer-a-bookie-and-a-drunk-the-waterhouse-saga-simply-screams-sydney-13994 SOFTLY SPOKEN...AND NOT SO SOFTLY SPOKEN SCUMBAGS GIVE ME THE SH*TS... ESPECIALLY MEGA-RIVKIN...I MEAN MEGA-RICH CON-ARTISTS. THOSE WHO DUPE A MALEABLE PUBLIC...PARTICULARLY YOUTH...INTO BELIEVING THEY ARE SOMETHING THEY ARE NOT. YA SPEND ENUFF TIME IN NTH AMERICA AND LONDON STREETS AND BOMBAY MARKETS YA GET AN IDEA OF WHEN THE BIG TIME BS IS GOING DOWN. MY DAD WAS A SALESMAN. HE TAUGHT ME HEAPS. MY UNIS HELPED. CULTURE AND MEDIA STUDIES...MEDIA EMPOWERMENT. A LOT OF READING TOO. HISTORY...IS...DIVERSE. KNOW THE WRITER. THEIR BIASES. EDUCATION. FAMILY BACKGROUND...DYNASTY. PUBLISHERS. SPONSORS...ETC. IDEOLOGICAL VIEWS. HISTORY. LOTS OF QUOTES RELATED TO 'HISTORY'. READ WIDE. DOCO WATCH WIDE. LISTEN...WIDE. GET A ROUNDED PICTURE. N'

nasking

6/06/2013 [b]I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality. This is why right, temporarily defeated, is stronger than evil triumphant. Martin Luther King, Jr.[/b] Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/martinluth115064.html#W5yoMclMESw5ScEz.99 INDEED. TIME FOR REAL CHANGE...A BETTER WAY N'

nasking

6/06/2013 JUST SO YOU KNOW...SCOTT EMERSON...ANOTHER MURDOCH LIB: On 24 March 2012, Emerson was re-elected as the Member for Indooroopilly for the Liberal National Party, contributing to the party's massive total of 78 seats and delivering a new State Government for Queensland under Premier Campbell Newman. achieved a swing of 14% with a first preference vote of 61% and a two-party preferred vote of 70%, the highest of any candidate in the seat of Indooroopilly...appointed as the Minister for Transport and Main Roads in the first Campbell Newman Ministry. In 1994 he joined the national newspaper The Australian as its Queensland political reporter. In 1998 he was appointed the paper’s Queensland Bureau Chief and in 2000 was National Chief of Staff for The Australian during the Sydney Olympics. In 2001 he was awarded a Churchill Fellowship to study political campaigning, including undertaking research at Harvard University and in Washington D.C. In 2004 he left The Australian to become a director and equity partner in Crook Publicity, a Brisbane-based public and media relations firm. In 2009 he resigned from Crook Publicity to contest the seat of Indooroopilly at the Queensland state election for the Liberal National Party of Queensland. WIKIPEDIA ---------------------- Transport Minister Scott Emerson handed Brisbane City Council control of any decisions relating to Brisbane bus route changes. 4ZZZ ------- CORPORATE BREAKFAST WITH HON. SCOTT EMERSON MP, MINISTER FOR TRANSPORT AND MAIN ROADS share Cost Member Cost: $55 Non-Member Cost: $75 When Thursday 9 August 7:00am - 8:50am Location Mercure Hotel 82-85 North Quay QLD The Hon. Scott Emerson MP, Minister for Transport and Main Roads will present for Engineers Australia Queensland's members and guests. Dr David Finch, Queensland's Professional Engineer of the Year will also provide an opening address for this Australian Engineering Week Event. Join us to hear insights and direction for transport infrastructure in Queensland. Click here to view the biography of The Hon. Scott Emerson MP, Minister for Transport and Main Roads. This event is proudly brought to you by the Queensland Transport Panel and sponsored by Brisbane City Council. --------- [b]Michael Caltabiano in LNP faction which denied Scott Emerson chance to enter Parliament in 2005[/b] BY:SARAH VOGLER From: [b]The Courier-Mail October 27, 2012 [/b] TROUBLED Transport and Main Roads director-general Michael Caltabiano is aligned to an LNP faction which denied Transport Minister Scott Emerson a chance to enter Parliament in his first bid in 2005. Mr Emerson came within a handful of votes of contesting the seat of Indooroopilly at the 2006 election after the faction - with which Mr Caltabiano is aligned - voted to instead preselect Peter Turner, a transport consultant. Mr Caltabiano was Liberal Party state president at the time. Mr Turner went on to lose the election battle against then Labor MP Ronan Lee. Mr Emerson had to wait until the 2009 election to finally enter State Parliament after blitzing that preselection battle against Clem Grehan. LNP insiders insisted the pair had put their differences aside. Mr Emerson did not directly appoint Mr Caltabiano as director-general of his department as other high-ranking ministers did, but a spokesman for the minister insisted they had a good working relationship which would continue if he was cleared by the ethics committee. RECOMMENDED COVERAGE Benched Caltabiano to bank $10k a week Caltabiano's long history of politics Caltabiano steps aside on ethics issue "The Minister and DG have had a strong working relationship allowing them to achieve major reforms to budget, roads and public transport since the March election," the spokesman said. "If he is cleared by the ethics committee, it is expected that he will return to his job." http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/michael-caltabiano-in-lnp-faction-which-denied-scott-emerson-chance-to-enter-parliament-in-2005/story-e6frg6n6-1226504216452 --------- [b]Queensland Transport Minister Scott Emerson says the state government will not immediately proceed with Cross River Rail project, despite the $715 million deal tabled in the federal budget.[/b] In his budget on Tuesday night, Treasurer Wayne Swan offered $715 million in capital expenditure up front to start the $4.4 billion project, plus a share of funding once a public private partnership model was chosen. "Given how important this project is for Queensland, I’m happy to meet the federal government half way," Mr Emerson said on Tuesday night. "However, I need a genuine partnership, not an attempt to con Queenslanders." Mr Emerson said the deal from the federal government meant a reduction in Queensland’s GST revenue. "We can’t afford Canberra paying just 25 per cent of the cost of Cross River Rail by slashing Queensland’s [b]GST[/b] payment to claw back half its contribution," he said. "It amounts to Canberra giving with one hand but taking with the other." Queensland Treasurer Tim Nicholls said [b]Queensland’s GST payments were down[/b] by $210 million and "heading towards" a $600 million shortfall over four years. Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/no-movement-on-cross-river-rail-20130514-2jkxv.html#ixzz2VOsMh54G -------- FROM [b]HERALD SUN (A MURDOCH PAPER[/b], SITE): [b]TWO Liberal premiers and a major industry group say the goods and services tax should be on the reform agenda. NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell and West Australian counterpart Colin Barnett have weighed into the GST debate sparked by federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott's promise of a tax white paper if he wins government in September.[/b] [b]The paper would include a re-examination of the GST, which has remained at a rate of 10 per cent since it was introduced 13 years ago.[/b] Mr O'Farrell said on Sunday [b]a "fair dinkum" tax review[/b] was needed, including "broadening the (GST) base, looking at the rate and also the rebates back to the states". Mr Barnett agreed a fresh look at the GST was necessary. "It's been more than a decade since the GST was introduced so it's appropriate that it be re-examined and all issues considered," Mr Barnett told The West Australian newspaper. But he said the coalition tax review should focus on "fairer and more equitable" distribution between the states and territories, based on population figures. On 2013/14 budget figures, NSW would gain $500 million and WA an extra $3 billion if population was the basis of GST distribution. The [b]premiers were backed on Monday by NSW Property Council executive director Glenn Byres[/b], who said the tax system was "unreliable, outdated and in desperate need of an overhaul". "The property sector is a frontline casualty of the inefficient and dysfunctional tax system in NSW and beyond," Mr Byrnes said. [b]State taxes such as stamp duty could be eradicated if "alternative revenue sources"[/b] could be identified, such as changing the GST, he said. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/labor-opposes-any-gst-changes-emerson/story-fni0xqi4-1226646424020 --------- [b]MORE MURDOCH LIMITED NEWS:[/b] [b]SHADOW treasurer Joe Hockey says if the states want GST reform, it's up to them to convince the Australian people that the changes are necessary.[/b] Mr Hockey says as the beneficiaries of any tax hike, it's the job of the states not the commonwealth to make the case. [b] "I have already said that the states have to carry this argument because it is the growth revenue for the states," he told Sky News on Sunday.[/b] "They've got to campaign for it and they've got to win the Australian people over." However, [b]Mr Hockey says reforming the goods and services tax isn't as crucial as reducing government spending or doing away with the "insidious" carbon and mining taxes.[/b] A future coalition government would only consider GST reform if it had the bipartisan support of all the state governments and the backing of the Australian public. [b]Former NSW Liberal premier Nick Greiner last week called for a reassessment of the way the consumption tax was applied,[/b] saying that ruling out any discussion was "stupid". Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national-news/up-to-states-to-lobby-on-gst-hockey/story-fndo4eg9-1226514648425#ixzz2VOuc1TNw --------- [b]GST may be the answer to balancing the books[/b] May 23, 2013 [b]Mark Kenny[/b] Chief political correspondent [b]Politician after politician has squibbed it, making florid gestures but avoiding serious discussion of the goods and services tax.[/b] Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/politics/gst-may-be-the-answer-to-balancing-the-books-20130522-2k14n.html#ixzz2VOvXqJkj ------ [b]Fast forward to 2013 and Tony Abbott’s budget reply speech and this widely unpublicised comment: We will finish the job that the Henry review started and this government squibbed. Now, didn’t the Henry Review recommend an increase in the GST? Rupert, your papers were in a frenzy the last time an increase was put in the public sphere and the outrage against the Gillard Government was carefully nurtured. Where is the outrage now?[/b] http://theaimn.com/2013/05/18/rupert-wheres-the-outrage/ ------- RUPERT AND GINA OWN SHARES IN HOW MANY MEDIA OUTLETS??? ASK MARK KENNY. DYA THE LIBS LOVE THE GST? DOH! I WONDER WHY GINA AND RUPERT WOULD WANT A BIG TAX CUT...AND JOHN SINGLETON... WHILST THE REST OF US GET LUMPED WITH AN INCREASED AND BROADENED GST??? ASK SCOTT EMERSON LIB FROM QLD... AND PREMIER NEWMAN...EX-ARMY ENGINEER...FAMILY IN PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT ETC... AND THOSE PREMIERS FROM NSW...AND WA... AND BERNARD KEANE WHO POSTS AT CRIKEY...AND MURDOCH'S BUSINESS SPECTATOR. I RECKON THAT NSW VS TONY ABBOTT SHOW IS HILARIOUS. SCHOOL AND DISABILITY VOUCHERS ANYBODY? SIGH. NO LONGER EYES WIDE SHUT. N'

nasking

6/06/2013 Should be: [b]DYA THINK THE LIBS LOVE THE GST? [/b] YOU...BET N'

Bilko

6/06/2013AA I am in complete agreement with YES to the possibility of a remedy and No you have not lost the plot. Sadly the Libs will drag this country down with no thought of the consequences the lust for power blinds them. I have also posted(what if) elsewhere. it is my nightmare and if the labor caucus is stupid to think a leadership change will help they have rocks in their heads,Julia is the best things going for them. what if 1. Abbott gains the keys to the Lodge and Senate majority if one accepts the manipulated polls going the rounds at the moment. 2, Budget black hole greater than declared(regardless of the true situation) 3 MUST have a surplus at any cost 4. All labor initiatives halted, laws already passed repealed, there goes NBN NDIS etc forward vision down the tubes. 5. Austerity measures implemented 20000+ public servants sacked country slides into recession as per O/Seas countrys plus QLD and WA who followed above practices Resulting in 1. More severe belt tightening (been there done that) 2. Local business loss of consumer spending (already complaining as per Libs scare campaign for which there is no basis) 3. Bankruptcies and unemployment go through the roof (historical facts) 4. Major slow down in manufacturing overall consumer confidence falling as per 3 years of state Chamber of Commerce warnings (also unfounded) plus David Jones go to the wall still blaming the Carbon tax/price which ever suits the daily blurb instead of management failure. Not a nice picture but satisfactory to an old man living in NewYork so he can improve his bottom line. And the australian public only have themselves to blame plus a few nervous nelly labor polies who placed themselves ahead of the country. Abbott and Co complicit in the deceit I wonder how they sleep at night. Is it too late, NO!! not if Australians open their eyes look around and see the economy as every overseas country sees us and not as the murdoch media reality thinks it is, country sailing alone Low National debt envy of the world. ” it is the economy stupid” as Bill Clinton said. For all our gods sake Australia WAKE UP

nasking

6/06/2013 BILKO...DON'T YOU WANT [b]ONE NATION UNDER ABBOTT[/b] :) N'

nasking

6/06/2013 YA SEE, I LIKE JULIA... BUT I WORRY ABOUT HER PAST SUPPORT FOR MURDOCH, MCDONALD'S, A CERTAIN FORMER NY EDUCATION A-HOLE WHO WORKS NOW FOR NEWS CORP...AND BILL GATES DESIRE TO PRIVATISE EDUCATION. FURTHERMORE, I WORRY ABOUT HER RELATIONSHIP WITH BIG MINERS LIKE RIO TINTO... AND HAVING GIVEN GINA RINEHART TONS AND TONS OF 457 VISA WORKERS. AND THE LACK OF INTEREST IN REAL CLEAN ENERGY...THE ALP HAVE JUST KEPT COAL SEAM GAS AND COAL GOING FULLBORE. FURTHERMORE, THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES THE GONSKI MONEY WON'T BE USED FOR VOUCHERS...THE MYSCHOOL SYSTEM USED TO IDENTIFY SO CALLED FAILING SCHOOLS SO TOP HODS AND PRINCIPALS AND STAFF CAN BE UNCEREMONIOUSLY SACKED...PERHAPS REHIRED FOR CRAPPIER WAGES...SCHOOLS CLOSED WITHOUT THOUGHT OF STUDENT MORALE...SO INDEPENDENT, CORPORATISED SCHOOLS CAN BE OPENED...LIKE IN THE USA...UNDER THE FCKN DEMOCRATIC PARTY. SOME OF US ARE LOSING CONFIDENCE IN MAINSTREAM PARTIES. THAT THE PERFORMANCES AREN'T ANYTHING...BUT PERFORMANCES. I NEED...WE NEED...PROOF...OF GOOD...PURSUIT OF THE COMMON GOOD. LOOKING AFTER THE MANY...NOT THE FEW. N'

nasking

6/06/2013 BTW, I DO FIND IT POSITIVE PETER GARRETT IS EDUCATION MINISTER...EVEN THO HE IS A CHRISTIAN... AND POSITIVE THAT TANYA PLIBERSEK IS IN CHARGE OF HEALTH... I HAVE FRIENDS WHO KNOW THEM FROM THE PAST...APPARENTLY GOOD, DECENT FOLK. NOW, I NOTICE ABBOTT GRINNING TODAY. WE HAVE BARELY BEGUN TO REVEAL THE [b]'REAL TONY'[/b] A WAVE COMING. FOR HIM AND HIS SUPPORTERS. WE DETEST THOSE WHO FIRE UP XENOPHOBES...UGLY DESPERATE UGLY STUFF. EH MS. BISHOP? N'

Michael

6/06/2013The Prime Minister of Australia is demonstrating very clearly in Question Time today just how unprepared Abbott and his team are to ever govern this nation. And she's doing it with ease. Abbott PM? He’s not up to it.

Bilko

6/06/2013Nasking NO not even under Hanson

Patriciawa

6/06/2013 [b]WARNING[/b] - THIS IS A LONG MEANDERING COMMENT COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC. Hi Ad Astra, I'm glad you're not planning to post your next piece until Sunday. It gives me time to get my thoughts in order. Life has been unusually hectic here on the domestic front and I'm having to find ways to cope with remembering all my daily commitments quite apart from organising time at my desk. In the past few years I've tended to forgive myself for occasional memory lapses, pretending that it was all about not having a secretary and office staff to look after me any more. But I can't pretend that to myself anymore. No matter how well and energetic we may feel or even seem to others, we do get older. No, we get old. If not worn out, some parts of us do deteriorate with time, and sadly can't be renovated or replaced with new or re-cycled parts. It frustrates me that in my case it is my my memory which these days is letting me down. I don't mean recall of events long gone. It is memory lapses which affect day to day functioning which are of concern. That's been particularly noticeable this last week while I've been having a new kitchen installed. I could not have coped with the comings and goings of tradesmen without the tactful hovering of my dear, dear daughter. Helpful hints from fellow Swordsters would be appreciated; not about plumbers and electricians, or even a tiler who still needs to be found. No. It's memory lapses. Hints? That reminds me about a neighbour's little girl, Valentina (there, I remembered immediately, her mother is Russian!) whose name I forgot yet again the other day. I've known her forever, so it's unforgivable to not have not used her proper name more than once recently. I apologized, of course, as she eyed me very sternly for a moment. Then she smiled her forgiveness but as she left she she turned and said, "It might help if you wrote these things down." How do you explain to a three year old about old people who even when they remember to write things down forget where they've put the list, or their notebook? Or when they read their notes can't remember what they refer to?

Patriciawa

6/06/2013PS You can probably tell from the uncorrected typos and errors of syntax in my last comment that I forgot to use [i]"Preview."[/i] It's a great facility which I think all blog sites should have. Well, provided, of course, that we remember to press the button.

Sir Ian Crisp

6/06/2013[quote][b] WE DON'T WANT THIS IN AUSTRALIA: 2012 Aurora shooting From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Century 16 at Town Center at Aurora Date July 20, 2012 12:38 am – 12:45 am (MDT) Attack type Mass shooting Weapon(s) Tear gas grenade Smith & Wesson M&P15 rifle Remington 870 Express Tactical shotgun Two Glock 22 handguns[1] Deaths 12 INJURED...MANY Suspected perpetrator James Eagan Holmes (in custody) On July 20, 2012, a mass shooting occurred inside of a Century movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, during a midnight screening of the film The Dark Knight Rises. A gunman, dressed in tactical clothing, set off tear gas grenades and shot into the audience with multiple firearms, killing 12 people and injuring 58 others. The sole suspect is James Eagan Holmes, who was arrested outside the cinema minutes later. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Aurora_shooting TIME FOR REAL CHANGE N' nasking [/b][/quote] WE DON'T WANT THIS IN AUSTRALIA: [quote][b] NSW cops seize 11.5kg of ice in drug raids TWO men will face court charged with drug offences after police seized more than 11 kilograms of the drug "ice" in raids in Sydney. Police said they charged one of the men, 38, after 8.5 kg of methamphetamine (ice), 3.5kg of pseudoephedrine and $12,000 cash were seized in a search of his Bankstown home on Wednesday. Detectives had earlier seized a backpack containing 3kg of ice after stopping the man as he left an apartment block in Bondi Junction. Police said they arrested a 37-year-old Canadian man after conducting a search of an apartment in the Bondi Junction block and seizing drug paraphernalia. Both men were charged with supplying prohibited drugs. They were refused bail and are due to appear in Waverley Local Court on Thursday. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/nsw-cops-seize-115kg-of-ice-in-drug-raids/story-fni0xqi4-1226658569900 [/b][/quote] Arrested sporting the trappings of their evil trade. How many young lives have been lost or blighted by this Canadian flogging his evil wares? How many Canadians are in Australia flogging drugs to our young people? It’s time for real change. Let’s deport drug-peddling Canadians.

Sir Ian Crisp

6/06/2013Who’s seeking refuge behind a skirt? Who’s tied to another’s apron strings? Who can't handle robust debate? Who can’t answer a valid question about decency? Corn is so easy to boil.

Sir Ian Crisp

6/06/2013Looks like the ALP has acted before the verdict has been handed down. What did TPS's ALP myrmidons say about waiting for the umpire's decision? Please remind us will you JGuy.

Jason

6/06/2013Sir Ian WTF am I to remind "us" about?

nasking

6/06/2013 YOU CAN DEPORT ALL THE ICE PEDDLING CANUCKS YA LIKE SIR SICK LEGALISING MARIJUANNA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ICE. BUT OF COURSE DOPEY CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVES WOULDN'T KNOW THAT...BECAUSE YER TOO BUSY WITH YER HEADS UP YER OWN MORALISING BUTTS...OR LICKING THOSE OF YER MEDIA AND MINING BARON BUTTS...KILLING ALTERNATIVE WAYS TO GET TAX THAT MAKE SENSE... AND HOPING TO PUT YER OPPOSITION IN JAIL AMONGST THE MANY YOUNG NOW ADULTS IN PRISON WHO YER MATES HAVE TURNED INTO BIGGER CRIMS...TO DEAL IN...YOU GUESSED IT...DRUGS...AND GUNS. THERE IS A WAVE COMING SIR SICK...WE KNOW LAWYERS, JUDGES, OLD MEDIA, NEW MEDIA, POLLIES, COMPUTER EXPERTS...AND WE'VE HAD ENUFF OF YET TOXIC SH*T. YER LIES...AND BLACKMAIL...AND USE OF RELIGION TO CAGE EVERYONE. KNOW IT RUN BACK TO YER BOSSES LIKE THE SYCOPHANTIC CREEP YOU ARE...AND TELL THEM... REAL CHANGE IS COMING [b]WE'RE TAKING BACK OUR DEMOCRACY[/b] N'

nasking

6/06/2013 [b]Miami clinic owner Anthony Bosch to name up to 25 names in baseball doping scandal[/b] ([b]CBS News) Baseball's latest doping scandal could turn out to be the biggest ever in sports. Dozens of players, including some big stars, may face long suspensions. Major League Baseball has been investigating this for some time. The turning point came when a key figure decided to name names. [/b] Anthony Bosch ran the Miami clinic called Biogenesis. Before it folded, Biogenesis offered what it called "anti-aging" services. CBS News learned Bosch has an agreement with the MLB to be interviewed under oath about allegations that his clinic supplied performance-enhancing drugs to some of baseball's biggest stars. A [b]baseball executive told CBS News that Bosch will name up to 25 players, including Yankees star Alex Rodriguez - the game's top-paid player - and Milwaukee Brewers slugger Ryan Braun, the National League's most valuable player two years ago[/b]. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57587917/miami-clinic-owner-anthony-bosch-to-name-up-to-25-names-in-baseball-doping-scandal/ AUSTRALIA NEEDS TO GET A LOT MORE SERIOUS ABOUT THESE ISSUES... PROFESSIONAL SPORTS HERE IS RIDDLED WITH ODD PERFORMANCES BY ATHLETES... THE CONNECTION TO GAMBLERS, FAST FOOD COMPANIES, GROG COMPANIES AND CERTAIN OTHER ADVERTISERS INCLUDING CERTAIN INVESTMENT BANKS IS TOXIC... AND DANGEROUS. THE SAME WITH ITS CONNECTION TO CERTAIN EX-POLITICIANS AND MEDIA CELEBRITIES WHO HAVE TOXIC RELATIONSHIPS WITH BAD BAD PEOPLE. TIME FOR REAL CHANGE. N'

Ad astra

6/06/2013Patriciawa Memory lapses are distressing. While long-term memory remains, short-term memory becomes the problem. Writing things down does help. Keeping the notebook and pen in a pocket also helps. When you write for [i]TPS[/i], you do so lucidly; when you compose verse, it is so elegant. There will always be a warm welcome for you here. There will be no pressure on anyone to produce a policy for asylum seekers, just an invitation. It will provide an opportunity for those critical of existing or proposed policies to have their say.

Ad astra

6/06/2013Bilko Bravo - well said. The prospect of a Coalition government under Abbott is frightening.

nasking

6/06/2013 [b]Brewer accused of depriving poor countries of millions in revenue UK-listed drinks firm denies claims it diverted up to £20m through havens[/b] The world's second-largest beer company, SABMiller, is avoiding millions of pounds of tax in India and the African countries where it makes and sells beer by routing profits through a web of tax-haven subsidiaries, according to a report published by ActionAid today. But ActionAid argues the effect has been to deprive developing countries of tax for services. SABMiller's subsidiary in Ghana, Accra Brewery, for example, sells £29m of beer a year, but in the past two years it has declared a loss, and it has paid corporation tax in only one of the four years from 2007-2010, the report, Calling Time: Why SABMiller should stop dodging taxes in Africa, finds. Martin Hearson, ActionAid's tax specialist and co-author of the report, said: "Outrageously, SABMiller's subsidiaries in Ghana and India have been operating income tax-free because of the company's use of tax havens. Tax authorities in developing countries are fighting hard to stop tax dodging but the reality is they are locked in a David and Goliath-style battle with multinational companies. International standards governing the taxation of big business are stacked against them." SABMiller said that the Accra subsidiary's losses were the result of intense competitive pressures and difficult trading conditions. Techniques used to avoid corporation tax onshore have become normal business practice among multinationals in the last decade. They depend on the secrecy of tax havens and on employing highly paid accountants and lawyers to exploit loopholes in the law or to play one country's tax system off against another's. ActionAid acknowledges that these techniques are legal and commonplace, but is launching a campaign to condemn them as unethical. The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development estimates that tax havens cost Africa several times what it receives in aid in lost tax revenue. ActionAid looked at the accounts of a sample of eight SABMiller subsidiaries across five African countries – Ghana, Mozambique, Tanzania, South Africa and Zambia – and in India. It says it has identified four different types of tax planning used by the company that minimise its tax bills in those countries. These include: Going Dutch A tax-saving dodge in which ownership of brand names and trademarks is moved from the countries where the goods are produced and held instead in the Netherlands. Onshore subsidiaries are then required to pay royalties to the separate brand-controlling subsidiary. The Netherlands has generous tax rules allowing multinationals to pay almost no tax on royalties they earn by writing down the value of the trademark against them. SABMiller International BV in the Netherlands holds the rights to international sales of many African brands such as Castle, Stone and Chibuku. Six SABMiller companies in Africa paid this one Dutch company £25m in royalties last year, according to ActionAid's scrutiny of their accounts. If the other African subsidiaries that do not publish accounts also made payments at the same rate, the total paid to the Dutch company would be £43m, which corresponds to an estimated tax loss of £10m to African countries last year. SABMiller's rights to its Peroni brand are held in the British tax haven of the Isle of Man. SABMiller said there were historical reasons that had nothing to do with tax for brands being held in various subsidiary locations. It said its Dutch company performed an important expert service and its profits were subject to full UK tax as a UK CFC. Peroni royalties were also subject to full UK tax. Swiss role ActionAid says SABMiller makes use of another tax avoidance strategy that has become commonplace among multinationals in recent years by locating management services in a subsidiary in the tax haven of Switzerland. The African and Indian companies' accounts show that they pay huge "management service fees" to European sister companies, mostly in Switzerland. In Ghana, for example, according to the report, fees amounting to 4.6% of the company's net revenue every year were paid to Bevman Services AG in the canton of Zug; in India, the management fees are enough to wipe out taxable profits. The report estimates that management fees paid by SABMiller companies in Africa and India amount to £47m each year, depriving these governments of £9.5m of tax revenue. SABMiller has said that management fees to its Swiss Bevman subsidiary reflected the fair value of the services provided to local companies and helped them by cutting their administrative costs. It denied that the structure had been set up for tax purposes. The Mauritius connection Until 2008, SABMiller's African purchasing was centralised through a regional hub company in South Africa. But in 2008 the group created a new company in Mauritius, where the maximum effective tax rate for global business companies is 3%. Goods are now procured by Ghana's Accra brewery on paper not from elsewhere in the continent, but from 7,000km away in this Indian ocean subsidiary. Tax haven secrecy makes it impossible to see how much profit the Mauritius subsidiary makes on these transactions, and the arrangements have only been put in place recently, but according to ActionAid, the new arrangements coincided with a dramatic fall in Accra Brewery's gross profit. Thin capitalisation In another transaction identified by ActionAid as a tax dodge, Accra Brewery borrowed £8.5m from the same Mauritius company in 2009-10. The loan was more than seven times Accra Brewery's total capitalisation. ActionAid's tax expert estimates that the interest costs on this loan charged to Ghana will wipe out £76,000 of Accra Brewery's tax liability each year. SABMiller responded that the loan had been made so that Accra Brewery could pay its creditors and the margins on it represented a fair rate based on the risk. SABMiller has numerous subsidiaries offshore, including 11 in Mauritius, eight in the British Virgin Islands, six in Switzerland and six in British crown dependencies, but it said that it did not regard these as tax-haven companies. The company says it complies with all tax laws and is transparent with revenue authorities around the world. http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/nov/29/sabmiller-india-africa-actionaid-report -------- [b]Tax campaigners study multinationals' enthusiasm for going Dutch [/b] [b]Brewer SABMiller is just one of the consumer goods giants accused of using tax treaties in the Netherlands to shift profits around the world and avoid millions in tax[/b] [b]Simon Goodley The Observer, Sunday 3 February 2013[/b] http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/feb/03/tax-avoidance-campaigners-study-firms-going-dutch --------------------- AND: [b]SABMiller plc (LSE: SAB, JSE: SAB) is a multinational brewing and beverage company headquartered in London, United Kingdom. It is the world's second-largest brewer measured by revenues (after Anheuser-Busch InBev) and is also a major bottler of Coca-Cola.[/b] Its brands include Fosters, Grolsch, Miller Genuine Draft, Peroni Nastro Azzurro and Pilsner Urquell. It has operations in 75 countries across Africa, Asia, Australasia, Europe, North America and South America and sells around 21 billion litres of lager per year. In September 2011, the board of Foster's Group agreed to a takeover bid by SABMiller, valuing the company at A$9.9bn (US$10.2bn; £6.5bn). [b]Brands include: Carlton Draught, Cascade Draught (see Cascade Brewery), Foster's Lager, Melbourne Bitter, Pure Blonde, [/b] and [b]Victoria Bitter[/b]. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAB_Miller ----- VICTORIA BITTER The origins of Victoria Bitter date back to Victoria Brewery founder Thomas C. Moore, who developed the recipe in the early 1900s. The beer began to gain wide popularity in the mid 1960s with an innovative television advertising campaign featuring a very similar recording of the theme from the film [b]The Magnificent Seven, images of working-class Australians at work and play[/b], and a voice-over by notable Australian actor John Meillon. The campaign was used until quite recently. Paul Hester, late drummer of Crowded House, once appeared in a VB advert. [b]For the 2007-08 Australian cricket series, Shane Warne took over as VB spokesperson from David Boon.[/b] Warne will also have a talking figurine as part of a new Warnie promotion, taking over from the highly successful Talking Boony dolls from the two previous Boonanza promotions. WIKIPEDIA ----- [b]Victoria Bitter douses 'hard-earned thirst' slogan[/b] [b]THE AUSTRALIAN[/b] [b]In their place will be celebrities mixing with groups of real Australians marching under tongue-in-cheek banners such as "Blokes who punch above their weight"; or men with good-looking wives, "Manscapers"; or metrosexuals who shave in unexpected places; and even "Sheilas named Sheila", featuring women who are actually named Sheila.[/b] In [b]recent years, as VB searched for a new identity, campaigns such as the much-celebrated David Boon and Shane Warne dolls that uttered messages during cricket broadcasts[/b], had actually made the mistake of "trying too hard", according to Foster's beer head Peter Sinclair. That approach [b]associated the brand with the "stereotypically ugly Australian[/b]", he said. Foster's is hoping people will create their own social groups, and [b]spread the word on social networking websites such as Facebook and Twitter.[/b] "[b]The idea is infectious[/b]," said David Nobay, creative director of [b]VB's advertising agency Droga5[/b]. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/victoria-bitter-douses-hard-earned-thirst-slogan/story-e6frg6n6-1225734274614 ------------- [b]Melbourne beer drinkers cheers Victoria Bitter's return to full-strength brew[/b] [b]Even Eddie McGuire admitted yesterday: "I love a VB."[/b] "The VB is back how people want it and how they knew it for generations," he said. As part of VB's transformation, it is going back to the original packaging, returning to full flavour and bringing back the tagline "a [b]hard-earned thirst[/b]". [b]Health groups have previously criticised the move and accused CUB of being irresponsible because it was going against that for what most people were campaigning.[/b] Read more: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/melbourne-beer-drinkers-cheers-victoria-bitters-return-to-full-strength-brew/story-fneuz92c-1226498859165#ixzz2VPvASKBM ------ [b]Murdoch's London pad: Feng Shui and le Carre[/b] [b]By Annabel Crabb[/b] London [b]August 11, 2005 [/b] [b]Inside the refrigerator, one learns that Mr Murdoch drinks VB[/b]. Two stubbies sit alongside a jar of mayonnaise, water, dried fruit, cereal and skim milk. http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/murdochs-london-pad-feng-shui-and-le-carre/2005/08/10/1123353386899.html AND REMARKABLY SIMILAR: http://londonist.com/2005/08/inside_chez_mur.php ------- SOME INTERESTING CHARACTERS ABOVE... FEW MISSING TOO. N'

cornlegend

6/06/2013Can any one tell me what SICK is on about.? Lots of waffle no substance. SICK, take your pills. !! SIck, corn is best slow roasted. Like what's happening to you. Checkmate.

Pikiranku

6/06/2013Wow! Rowan Ramsey, our illustrious local rep. is on Capital Hill. And all this time we thought he was dead!

cornlegend

6/06/2013WHAT ever changes ? Greg Sheridan was right! About Julie Bishop that is… Bernard Keane | May 26, 2010 1:15PM What’s the point of Julie Bishop’s political existence? Anyone? Scroll back 15 months, to February last year, when she gracefully exited the shadow Treasurership under pressure from some less-than-graceful male colleagues. Admittedly, she’d made a hash of the position, and in record time, but she was still deputy leader, so she needed a senior portfolio. So she was hidden in Foreign Affairs, “internally contradictory, unprincipled, amoral beyond even the exigencies of parliamentary hypocrisy and profoundly stupid. Bishop was a dud shadow treasurer and is now a dud foreign affairs spokeswoman.” http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/05/26/greg-sheridan-was-right-about-julie-bishop-that-is/

nasking

6/06/2013 A MUST READ: [b]An Interview on the Deadly Consequences of Austerity With Dr. Sanjay Basu Death By Zip Code[/b] by LAURA S. FLANDERS It stands to reason that people suffer stress when money’s short, but do economically hard times in and of themselves kill people? [b]Sanjay Basu, co-author of “The Body Economic: Why Austerity Kills,” argues that it’s not the economy it’s the austerity that’s deadly.[/b] As he puts it in this interview, “[b]Health doesn’t start on my exam room table or in the intensive care unit. It starts at home with the food that we eat, whether we smoke or drink too much, the safety of our neighborhoods. These are the major determinants of our health.”[/b] [b]Everything else being equal, it turns out that “Zip code is the leading determinant of our health and life expectancy” says Basu. [/b] [b]Which is why austerity (cutting services, shrinking care) isn’t just bad for our economy (because it swells layoffs and shrinks spending) it’s also dangerous to human health.[/b] Doesn’t it seem a tad “unseemly” to have to make the case in body-counts before people will care? Well yes it does, says Basu: “It is somewhat perverse to have to make that point.[b] The economists and my colleagues certainly have already shown the economic point that the austerity rational has already fallen apart. [/b] But to really understand what the human costs are you have to [b]look at the most vulnerable and unfortunately they tend to be ignored within the scheme of discussion[/b]. “ [b]The American Journal of Public Health now estimates that Americans stand a greater chance of dying from the effects of austerity than being killed in a car crash. According to Basu, homeless Americans have the same life expectancy as people in war-torn Sierra Leone or Congo.[/b] Do policy alternatives exist that are proven to protect public health while also speeding recovery? Yes, reports Basu, citing examples from countries as diverse as Malaysia, Iceland and Sweden. What’s standing in the way of smarter choices? Ideology, he suggests, and yes, also racism. [b]Perhaps, he concludes, we should have cared more about the Soviets. There was a dramatic spike in deaths after the Harvard set (Jeffrey Sachs, Larry Summers et al) imposed austerity there. History is repeating now as the same austerity-triggered “excess deaths” mount in the US and beyond[/b]. “[b]We see the same response and desperate attempts to cover the data,” says[/b] Sanjay Basu. Sanjay Basu is an associate professor of medicine and epidemiology at the University of Stanford.... Well, lets look at some of the comparisons. For example in East Asia, which had a terrible economic recession in the 90s, different countries all affected by the same recession took different policy responses. For example, [b]Malaysia decided that it would bolster its anti-hunger programs and its infection disease prevention programs like HIV prevention. [/b] [b]Thailand on the other hand and some of its neighbors decided to do the opposite. They followed the advice to go undergo austerity. [/b] [b]They dramatically reduced their safety nets and we see the subsequent health and economic outcomes. Thailand actually lost a lot of stimulus and a lot of jobs because of the austerity, the government helping to re-stimulate the economy. And, in the process their HIV rates, which had be receding, (Thailand was used a model case for HIV prevention) just skyrocketed and so did their hunger rates[/b]. [b]Malaysia, not only did they preserve their safety net but, with all these doubts — maybe they will have a higher deficit, they’ll have a higher debts, they’ll be cut out of the global scheme — all these threats, they actually ended up recovering first and one of the main reasons is that they kept people employed in addition to keeping them in out of hunger or HIV or any other infectious diseases, they were able to stabilize the economy more quickly.[/b] Now, where does the US rate in this sort of spectrum of experiments? Right now we’re at a very critical juncture. We, so far, had quite a stimulus that in comparison to say [b]Britain, which underwent austerity, we’ve done fairly well in terms of keeping people out of hunger, having some pretty good housing programs[/b] and so forth, in spite of our very dysfunctional healthcare system. But, [b]right now we’re at a precipice. As a result of the sequester, we’re at this point were austerity is starting to creep up. It’s too early for me to know what the data will show but if we follow the same path as Europe then I’m quite worried.[/b]... [b]Iceland is a very interesting outlier. They’re a small country but they had the worst banking crisis in human history relative to the size of their economy. All of the three major banks failed. They had invested in U.S. mortgage bad securities. [/b] [b]But Iceland while being recommended to go under austerity did something unique, they put it to a democratic vote, ‘Should we bail out the banks and cut our safety nets or should we gradually repay the debts and help the banks over time, a sort of loan scheduling type of program.’ [/b] [b]The population voted for the latter and indeed Iceland has maintained its status as one of the healthiest and happiest countries in the world.[/b] MUCH MORE HERE: http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/06/05/death-by-zip-code/ BEWARE [b]LINING UP THE LNP STATES WITH ABBOTT & HOCKEY...[/b] THEY WANT TO BRING [b]OZSTERITY[/b] GREAT WAY TO CUT ESSENTIAL SERVICE WORKERS...CUT TAXES FOR GINA AND MURDOCH... PRIVATISATION...OUTSOURCING... CREATE TOXIC JOBS...AND LOW PAID JOBS... BRING IN CREEPING IR LEGISLATION... UNDERMINE ENVIRO PROTECTION,,, ADD DOG WHISTLING... YOU'VE GOT A...[b]NIGHTMARE SCENARIO...COME REAL[/b] N'

nasking

6/06/2013 INDEED: [b]Rupert Murdoch is now an old man on a lonely throne at News Corp[/b] In his 80s, with no clear successor, the media mogul and his spun-off newpaper operation are in a precarious position... These are testing times for star performers like Parris. [b]Over in New York last week the old, soiled master of News Corp revels was unveiling his "new News Corp", otherwise a distinctly vulnerable collection of papers from around the globe, many of which have proved a longstanding licence to lose his money. [/b] [b]The Times, Sunday Times, New York Post and Australian are not profitable, to put it mildly. No wonder Murdoch's new chief executive, Robert Thomson, pledges "relentless cost-cutting" across the shrivelled empire.[/b] There's a balance-sheet bonne bouche of $2bn and a wiping away of debts that will help News Corp mark two ride briefly high when it goes solo and public – though no longer listed in London – at the end of June. [b]But there will also be no more lush, adjacent pastures of satellite TV or Hollywood blockbusters to assure US shareholder peace when loss-making papers have to be supported. 21st Century Fox won't be indulging the boss's little foibles any longer. Once the presses roll, he's on his own.[/b] Murdoch says his papers are "undervalued and underdeveloped". Thomson (who used to edit the Times) says "print is still a particularly powerful platform". This is the clearest possible test of their faith. If News Corp 2 can't make it through the night, then all Parris's worst fears come true. Murdoch may be non-executive chair of the enterprise. His family stockholding and reputation may still give him great influence, reputational or direct. But now, ploughing deeper into his 80s and surrounded by New York board colleagues who don't share his love of printers' ink, the vulnerability is obvious. [b]This is a fractious, uncertain empire now: a game of thrones as well as Wall Street. [/b] It will be governed, frankly, by how the markets behave. If they don't like Rupert's underdeveloped and undervalued babies, then the pressure will mount inexorably – and wash over to damage his rule of the film and TV giant. He hasn't a son who can take up this burden. Hacking finished James's ambitions in that direction. There is no frontline succession. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/jun/02/rupert-murdoch-news-corp-lonely-throne [b]NO WONDER RUPERT IS GOING BIG ON SPORTS...SPORTS...SPORTS... OCKER...BLOKEY...MEN'S MEN...DOING SPORTS NEWS...YEA MATE!!! AND DESPERATE TO KILL OFF THIS GOVT...AND THE NBN... SPORTS AND FOXTEL...WITH SKY/SLY NEWS (TRANSFORMING INTO OZFOX NEWS WITH BIG MOUTH STRIKES AGAIN SHOCK JOCKS AND BLOWHARD FRIENDS...ÜBER ALLES!!![/b] TICK TOCK... N'

nasking

6/06/2013 [b]Ex-editor Rebekah Brooks pleads not guilty to phone hacking [/b] Mrs Brooks, 45, and [b]her racehorse trainer husband Charlie[/b], 50 – accused with her of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice – stood side by side at Southwark Crown Court in south London. [b]Several other people including former News of the World journalists and security staff also denied charges. There was standing room only for the hearing, with those watching including Labour MP Tom Watson. [/b] Rebekah Brooks [b]denied conspiracy to hack phones between October 3, 2000, and August 9, 2006.[/b] Dressed in black and with her red hair pinned up, [b]Mrs Brooks, also a former editor of both the News of the World and The Sun[/b], entered not guilty pleas to five charges. Brooks, of Churchill, Oxfordshire, denied conspiracy to hack phones between October 3, 2000, and August 9, 2006. Former News of the World news editor James Weatherup, 57, and former managing editor Stuart Kuttner, 73, also denied the charge. Brooks denied [b]two counts of conspiracy to commit misconduct in public office.[/b] She and others also face charges of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice in July 2011. Brooks and her personal assistant Cheryl Carter, 49, both denied one count. Brooks, her husband, [b]former NI head of security Mark Hanna, 50, security staff Lee Sandell, 26, and David Johnson, 47, and driver Paul Edwards, 48, all pleaded not guilty to a second count. [/b] Former [b]News of the World royal editor Clive Goodman[/b], 55, denied two counts of conspiracy to commit misconduct in public office. All the defendants were bailed and are due to [b]face trial in early September[/b]. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/405416/Ex-editor-Rebekah-Brooks-pleads-not-guilty-to-phone-hacking [b]SKY NEWS AND THE USUAL SUSPECTS GETTING VERY VERY DESPERATE... SHRILL[/b] :D N'

Tom of Melbourne

6/06/2013Ad Astra - [i] There will be no pressure on anyone to produce a policy for asylum seekers, just an invitation. It will provide an opportunity for those critical of existing or proposed policies to have their say.[/i] Certainly your own history demonstrates that you are willing to excuse in this government the policies that you criticised in the Liberals. Double standards abound here.

Jason

6/06/2013ToM, I've been asking you to write something for 3 weeks! Still as gutless as ever I see yet you accuse others of double standards! Ad as you have many of ToM's email addresses send this coward a white feather.

nasking

6/06/2013 KEVIN RUDD PLAYING MORE ATTENTION-SEEKING GAMES TODAY... A REMINDER...SKY NEWS ARE STAFFED BY MURDOCH'S LOT: [b]Rudd pushed on with bids for Australian Network despite support for ABC[/b] Date [b]October 24, 2011[/b] Daniel Flitton [b]KEVIN RUDD rejected plans to allow the ABC to keep operating Australia's official TV service in Asia, despite a confidential government review that gave a gold star to the public broadcaster for running the Australia Network[/b]. The detailed ''mid-term'' report by the Foreign Affairs Department was never released to the ABC but prepared last year to help decide the future of the $223 million taxpayer funded service. But Mr Rudd - toppled from the prime ministership only days before the report was finalised - decided, on taking over as Foreign Minister after the election, to demand a more intense process. [b]The service was put to tender in February and Sky News, part-owned by News Corporation, entered competition with the ABC for a new 10-year contract.[/b] A [b]final draft of the official review, obtained by the Herald, states the ABC ''consistently met or exceeded'' the performance markers set out in the existing contract. ''The quality of the programming was assessed as good, credible and timely and provided far better coverage of the region and other international broadcasters,'' the report states.[/b] But [b]some cabinet members have baulked at the prospect of handing the contract to a company linked to News Corporation over the publicly-funded ABC and are privately blaming Mr Rudd for creating the mess.[/b] Mr Rudd was not convinced by the Foreign Affairs review about the ABC's performance and that much of the ratings and audience data in the report was commissioned by the ABC. [b]Mr Rudd decided against leaving the service with the ABC for five more years and instead created an independent mechanism for deciding a new contact, with final approval resting with the Foreign Affairs department head, Dennis Richardson. [/b] But the government intervened in June to change the rules for deciding the tender and make it a cabinet decision, handing final approval to the Communication Minister, Stephen Conroy. [b]Australia Network is run on behalf of the Foreign Affairs department and intended as Australia's voice in Asia and the Pacific region.[/b] Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/rudd-pushed-on-with-bids-for-australian-network-despite-support-for-abc-20111023-1meih.html#ixzz2VQQWhYBw [b]UNFCKNFORGIVEABLE[/b]!!! AND RUDD FED HUNDREDS OF KIDS TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. AND LEFT THE ALP CLEANING UP HIS OVER-THE-TOP INSULATION MESS... AND...DIDN'T GO AFTER THOSE WAR-MONGERERS ONCE HE WAS IN... AND MURDOCH GOT MONEY FOR WOLVERINE... AND RUDD SUCKED UP TO HUGH JACKMAN WHO IS A BIG MURDOCH BROWN-NOSER... AND...RUDD SPENT TIME IN NY WITH NEWS LTD YUCKS...AND FIBBED ABOUT PART OF IT... AND HE SPENT TIME IN PIERS AKERMAN'S PLACE... AND CHRIS MITCHELL HAS A RELATIONSHIP WITH RUDD RE: GODFATHER AND... FCK IT...I WON'T GO ON... THE MORE I'VE LEARNT...GRRR... N'

nasking

6/06/2013 WELL, I SINCERELY HOPE THAT IF THE ABBOTT GROUP GET IN THEY DON'T USE A MATE TO PAYOFF A SECRET GROUP TO DRILL HOLES IN THE BOATS TO SINK THEM. [b]DESPERATE PEOPLE DO DESPERATE THINGS.[/b] YA KNOW HOW ABBOTT LOVES HIS RICH CONNECTIONS... AND SLUSH FUNDS. N'

Ken

6/06/2013For Ad's "homework". A good background paper by the Parliamentary Library on "boat arrivals" from 1976. A bit long but a good account of the facts and policy over the years. http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2012-2013/BoatArrivals

nasking

6/06/2013 MEMORIES: [b]SIEV-X: still drowning in spin by Jack H Smit[/b] Project SafeCom Today four years ago a boat on its way through the sometimes treacherous waters off the Indonesian coast sunk within the Australian Government's Search and Rescue Zone for ships in distress. Some people were rescued but not by the Australian authorities. [b]Several people cancelled their plans to board the massively overcrowded vessel - and are alive today as a result. Three hundred and fifty-three people, mostly Iraqi and Afghan asylum seekers, including 146 children, drowned. [/b] [b]The fact that many Australians today know about this massive maritime disaster can be largely attributed to Webdiarist Tony Kevin, who coined the phrase "SIEVX". [/b] [b]Tony persistently raised questions around the sinking of the 19-metre vessel and any assumed and avoided government responsibilities around the disaster. [/b] It was his initial work, with a small number of subscribers to his emailed notices, that kept the issue alive. [b]One of those subscribers, Marg Hutton, has now gone on the record with her massive sievx.com internet archive of everything connected with the voyage, the sinking, the media reports and the aspects of the Senate Inquiry dealing with the SIEVX issue.[/b] [b]Tony Kevin's award winning book about this leaky boat, one of the many refugee boats given that Orwellian tag Suspected Illegal Entry Vessels (SIEV), A Certain Maritime Incident - the sinking of SIEV X, outlines all the issues. [/b] Below is what Marg Hutton wrote last Monday on the SIEVX website - and following her remarks are comments from today's press releases from Democrats' Senator Andrew Bartlett, and myself. Readers may want to note from my press release that Howard still tries to tell Australians that his government was "exonerated" by the Senate Inquiry, as recently as two weeks ago in a letter to Robin Rothfield of Labor for Refugees VIC. He's still trying to spin the facts around SIEVX. And the folks who are trying to get a memorial up on the shores of Lake Burley Griffin in Canberra, have been rebuffed by a Commonwealth veto. The ABC reported this week about the SIEVX Memorial Project facilitated by men's and children's issues author Steve Biddulph: ACT Chief Minister Jon Stanhope says he is disappointed the Commonwealth Government has ruled out erecting a SIEV-X memorial on the shores of Lake Burley Griffin. A group of artists had approached the Federal Government with the idea of building a memorial to the 353 asylum seekers who died when their boat sank in the Java Sea four years ago. Mr Stanhope says the memorial is more appropriate as a national, not a local, project. Sievx.com's web mistress Marg Hutton writes this week on her website: In the last twelve months hundreds of thousands of innocent lives have been lost in the Asian tsunami, Hurricane Katrina and the recent earthquake in India and Pakistan. So why four years after the event does the loss of 353 lives aboard an asylum-seeker vessel enroute to Australia's Christmas Island, still burn in our hearts? SIEVX was not a 'natural' disaster... If a government is in the business of both 'beefing up' disruption (ie increasing the danger in embarking on a people smuggler's boat) and scaling back SOLAS (ie providing second class maritime safety response to the boats of asylum seekers) then how can that government not have blood on its hands when a boat sinks and hundreds drown inside its border protection surveillance zone? [b]Democrats Senator Andrew Bartlett said today The Australian Democrats today acknowledge the fourth anniversary of the sinking of the SIEV-X where the lives of 353 people were lost. The SIEV-X incident is another reminder of the deliberate attempts by the Howard Government to mislead the Australian public. The period around the time of the children overboard affair was one of cover ups, lies and a general disregard for human life and suffering, perpetuated by the Federal Government.[/b] The Democrats were responsible for broadening the scope of the Select Committee Inquiry into a Certain Maritime Incident to investigate not only allegations made in 2001 by the Federal Government regarding children overboard, but also the detail of the expensive and inhumane Pacific Solution. I met and spoke with husbands in Perth last year who lost their wives and children on the SIEV-X and was greatly saddened by their loss and the grief they continue to suffer. The fact that they are still on TPVs and Bridging Visa E's only adds to their suffering and their inability to get on with rebuilding their lives. In the light of promised rhetoric from the Government on a culture change in DIMIA, I repeat our call for TPVs to be abolished and for permanent visas to be given to refugees. Take a moment to remember those three hundred and fifty-three people - fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, aunts, uncles, grandparents - our brothers and sisters in the human race - who perished. They needn't have. http://webdiary.com.au/cms/?q=node/871 [b]THERE ARE STILL...VOICES...FOR THE DEAD.[/b] N'

nasking

6/06/2013 SPEAKING OF PERFORMERS...VANSTONE ON THE DRUM... I HEREBY ANNOUNCE AMANDA VANSTONE IS THE WINNER TODAY OF: [b]THE DISHONEST JOHN HOWARD GOLDEN YEARS GLOBE [/b] IF VANSTONE KEEPS THIS UP SHE'LL BE IN THE RUNNING FOR THE [b]GOLD SHAMLIE[/b] N'

tiffany232

6/06/2013thank you Ad. Suicide has a ripple effect. A little like throwing a stone in a pond. It affects your family, friends and even people you haven't met. Thank god for beyond blue for raising the profile of this terrible event and making everyone a little more aware of what's going on in our loved ones' thoughts.

Misst

6/06/2013I haven't thought of anything specific to say for this post because I've been far too busy following Lyn's links! So this is a big THANK YOU to Lyn for doing so much work. Amongst many others the Save the NBN site http://savethenbn.com/# was a timely link. Now to find a good one for TRASH DIRECT ACTION especially after this morning's National Press Club address by Bill McKibben. How utterly shameful and embarrassing for Australia to go backwards and axe the carbon price and undo all the good environmental programs set in place by this parliament.

nasking

6/06/2013 I SAY...WHAT A JOLLY AWFUL CHAP TICKY HAD ON THE BUSINESS TONIGHT... SUCH A FRABJOUS ARSE...A REAL STUFFED SHIRT :D [b]David Barlow Buik[/b] (born March 1944) is a businessman and financial pundit for the BBC and other British, American and Australian television channels. He started work at Philip Hill Higginson Erlangers in the City of London. He later worked for RP Martin, Kirkland Whitaker, London Deposit Agencies, Money Market Agencies, MY Marshall, and City Index Group. The companies he has [b]worked for mostly involved financial spread betting.[/b] He worked from [b]1999 to 2011 for BGC Partners[/b]. His retirement from BGC was [b]celebrated with a dinner on 25 March 2011 at the Royal Exchange, London.[/b] [b]He enjoys visit horse-racing, notably Plumpton Racecourse and Fontwell Park Racecourse.[/b] I SAY...SO MANY CHAPS AND LADIES OF WEALTH INTO THE PONIES...WHAT? ALL FOR A BIT OF GROUP MERRIMENT...WHAT? GOD IT SEEMS LIVES AT THE RACES. A DAY AT THE RACES...HOW INVIGORATING FOR THE POCKET. CHEERIO. N'

TalkTurkey

6/06/2013Dig on this Folks! Read it carefully, this bloke is one of the best writers around and my only argument with him has been that he has been supporting the wrong Leftish Party. I have told him that from now on I can in conscience call him Comrade. It is the highest term of respect there is. David Horton ‏@watermelon_man Here is post number 500 http://wp.me/pT9cu-P0 in which, after decades of voting Green, I return to voting Labor.

Catching up

6/06/2013I cannot see why Abbott believes he has to ditch everything connected to CEFC. Even his Direct Action Scheme, if one can find any facts that last more than a a day, will be distributing money to industry, to put in cleaner technology. All that needs to be done with the CEFC bank is change how it is funded. No need to stop the loans now ready to be handed out. No need to trash an department, to set up one, that will be doing as similar. Then, maybe doing it, as Labor has dne, at arms Leighton does ot suit the Coalition. They like to be hands on, when handing out the goodies. It seems to be all about ideology, or one could say,ideology gone mad. Same goes for the NBNCo and definitely Gonski. Not about what is best, but about there unflappable belief in small government. Fought hard to day in the HoR, against Labor fixing holes ion the taxation system. Ranted against the ATO in both houses. The 457 changes got similar attention. Most other legislation gets hardly any attention from that mob.

lyn

6/06/2013Hi Misst, How nice of you, thankyou I am so pleased to hear you enjoy the links. Thankyou also for being here on TPS,we do appreciate your participation very much.

TalkTurkey

6/06/2013Cornlegend Crapstain offered 30's a while back, I challenged him and offered to put up a sizeable stake with Ad holding the bet, and guess what, the shitty lying pissant was never heard of again until now! And he's dropped from 30's to 20's but he won't honour his offer, oh that reminds me of a joke, She offered her honour He honoured her offer and all theorugh the night, It was honour and offer, and honour and offer ... But Crapstain has neither honour nor honesty and is not worth a moment of your time.

TalkTurkey

6/06/2013Cornlegend Crapstain offered 30's a while back, I challenged him and offered to put up a sizeable stake with Ad holding the bet, and guess what, the shitty lying pissant was never heard of again until now! And he's dropped from 30's to 20's but he won't honour his offer, oh that reminds me of a joke, She offered her honour He honoured her offer and all theorugh the night, It was honour and offer, and honour and offer ... But Crapstain has neither honour nor honesty and is not worth a moment of your time.

tiffany232

6/06/2013And on another note. I've been supporting a charity called Project Now for about 12 months. Campbell Newman is raising the fist soil for this project this week. Not one cent of the funds have come from the Queensland Government but from the hard work of lts' volunteers and the recipients, the women with addictions in Queensland. When you hear these word 'Hy name is Tess and my stepfather thought it was funny to get me drunk at 4 years old'. Sheesh, do we need this poor excuse for a leader being a hero . Even though we've worked really hard for these women and become personally involved with their development I can''t attend this event because unless you have some empathy it's just a photo opportunity

cornlegend

6/06/2013TalkTurkey If he wants to offer 30/1, I'll travel anywhere tomorrow to put it on Nothing I love more than a punt. I'm beginning to see why Truthseeker refers to it as CRAP STAIN

nasking

6/06/2013 BOB CARR REFERRING TO JULIE BISHOP'S CLUMSY CONFESSION RECENTLY THAT THE INDONESIANS ARE SAYING SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY IN PRIVATE THAN IN PUBLIC WHEN IT COMES TO BOATS BEING TURNED BACK: [b]He said: “Here you have the alternative government saying, ‘Oh, the Indonesians have said this publicly but don’t worry, they are lying, they have told us something different privately.’”[/b] http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/bob-carr-turning-back-boats NOW, EITHER BISHOP IS LYING OR SHE HAS MISHEARD OR SHE IS SPEAKING TO THE WRONG PEOPLE OR...SHE'S TELLING THE TRUTH...AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF DEAL THE COALITION HAVE DONE WITH THE INDONESIAN PRESIDENT, FOREIGN MINISTER ETC...??? HAVE THEY OFFERED MONEY? ACCESS TO MORE RESOURCES OFF THE COAST OF EAST TIMOR...? MORE MILITARY TRAINING? TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY ON HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES? WE KNOW THAT HOWARD AND DOWNER WERE EXPERTS AT LOOKING THE OTHER WAY DURING CRUCIAL INCIDENTS...THE AWB BRIBES A CASE IN POINT. COULD IT BE DRUG RELATED...ARE THE COALITION AGREEING TO GET THE AFP TO DOB...PERHAPS FRAME...MORE AUSSIES...HAND THEM OVER TO THE INDONESIAN AUTHORITIES? ARE THEY GOING TO GET THEIR DONORS LIKE GINA, TWIGGY AND MANY OTHER BIG WIGS TO SEND MONEY TO THE RULING PARTY IN INDONESIA TO HELP THEM IN ELECTIONS? HAVE THE COALITION PROMISED TO UNDERMINE THE PLAIN PACKAGING OF TOBACCO LAWS SO THE EXAMPLE SET ACROSS THE WORLD IS UNDERMINED...AND THE INDONESIAN GOVT AND COMPANIES CAN KEEP ROLLING IN THE MONEY EARNT FROM KILLING THEIR PEOPLE WITH CANCER STICKS? PERHAPS THE COALITION HAVE PROMISED TO TAKE IN HEAPS OF PALM OIL? SO INDONESIA'S BIG FARMERS AND COMPANIES CAN RIP THE CRAP OUT OF EVERY PIECE OF JUNGLE/FOREST. PERHAPS IT'S ALL OF THE ABOVE...AND MORE. THOSE COCKY FACES...ABBOTT, BISHOP, MORRISON, PYNE, KEANAN, BRANDIS, VANSTONE...TELLS ME SOME SLIMEY DEALS HAVE BEEN DONE WITH THE OLD WAR CRIMINAL AND HIS TEAM. WE KNOW THE COALITION HAVE A TRACK RECORD WHEN IT COMES TO DOING EVIL THINGS TO SURVIVE. STILL, I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW THE REST OF THE INDONESIAN PEOPLE WOULD REACT...PARTICULARLY THOSE WHO WILL NOT PROFIT FROM THESE DEALS...MANY IN FACT SUFFER...IF THIS IS THE CASE...AND THEY FIND OUT??? I RECKON SOME IN-DEPTH INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING IS REQUIRED... EVEN IF IT IS JUST CONFIRM BISHOP'S SMUG COMMENTS TO LENORE TAYLOR OF THE GUARDIAN...OR TO PROVE HER A BOLD-FACED LIAR...OR HARD OF HEARING. N'

nasking

6/06/2013 FURTHERMORE, MAYBE IT'S ABOUT A PROMISE TO INDONESIA BY THE COALITION UP LIVE EXPORTS AND NOT STOP THE FLOW NO MATTER THE ABUSE? A PROMISE A COALITION GOVT WILL TARGET ANIMAL AUSTRALIA? COULD BE A PROMISE TO TAKE IN MORE WOOD FROM INDONESIA,,,UNDERMINE THE INSPECTION PROCESS? I WOULD PUT NOTHING PAST THE COALITION...THEY ARE SCUMBAGS BEING USED BY MEGA-WEALTHY FARMERS, GRAZIERS, MINERS...TOBACCO COMPANIES...YOU NAME IT. JULIE BISHOP SOLD HER SOUL TO THE DEVIL A LONG TIME AGO AS A PARTNER IN A LAW FIRM... SHE MAKES THE PERFECT MIDDLE MAN...IN THIS CASE MIDDLE WOMAN. SYCOPHANTIC...PREPARED TO DO ANY DEAL...DESPERATE. LIKE BOSS BOY ABBOTT. N'

nasking

7/06/2013 HOW BAD DOES THIS LOOK?...VERY VERY SUS: [b]Prime Minister’s barrister brother heads legal chambers representing Rebekah Brooks in phone hacking defence[/b] As Rebekah Brooks pleads not guilty to charges of phone hacking, conspiracy to pervert the course of justice and unlawful payment to officials, Prime Minister David Cameron's high flying barrister brother, head of the legal chambers she is using, told The Drum his role did not present him with any conflict of interest. He said that all the barristers working in the Chambers of which he is head were self-employed and had separate practices. The Chambers UK legal directory entry for Three Raymond Buildings, the barristers Chambers for which Mr Cameron QC is described as head, states: “Advice and representation has also been provided in respect of charges levelled against Rebekah Brooks and Charles Brooks.” When approached by The Drum asking whether he had represented Mrs Brooks, Alexander Cameron QC responded by simply stating: “You are misinformed.” The Drum asked Mr Cameron QC if he acted in an informal capacity in this case, rather than by way of formal instruction, and given the nature of his family connection to Mr and Mrs Brooks, whether there was any conflict of interest. Mr Cameron QC provided the following explanation: “Under the current rules in England and Wales individual barristers practise from a set of chambers. A set of chambers is made up of self-employed barristers who share some of the expenses of practice (for example, rent and staff costs). But each of the barristers have separate practices. Barrister A in set of chambers X can be prosecuting a case in which the defendant is defended by barrister B who is in the same set of chambers. There is no corporate entity. “The Head of Chambers is merely the person chosen by the barristers in his set to be its head. “The Chambers entry does not say that I acted for or represented Mrs Brooks. It merely describes by example, of which the Brooks case is one, some of the cases in which individual members of chambers have been involved, in that instance, Hugo Keith QC.” The Bar Council directory lists a total of 358 barristers’ Chambers in London, with 50 chambers in the city specialising in criminal law work. http://www.thedrum.com/news/2013/06/05/prime-minister-s-barrister-brother-heads-legal-chambers-representing-rebekah-brooks BAD STUFF INDEED. MORE GAMES BEING PLAYED BY THE TORIES...I SUSPECT... TRYING TO HELP OUT OLD SUPPORTER MURDOCH AND HIS BUNCH OF WICKED SERVANTS. THE TORIES UNDER CAMERON ARE PERFORMING A PLAY OF DECEIT...TRYING TO CONVINCE THE PUBLIC THEY ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING... BUT THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED...AND THEY KNOW IT...WILL USE IT. CAMERON AND HIS TORIES NEED TO GO DOWN. DISGRACEFUL STUFF. ---- NOTE: THNX TO A FRIEND FOR THIS INFO. N'

Catching up

7/06/2013Bushfire, the way I seen Rudd tonight, set in the whole context of 7.30. Along the lines of "I am Kevin, I have come to help". I seen him as saying, I am here to save the government, out of the goodness of my heart. Yes, I am the one to do it. He then went on , to say how well WE have done. We have much...etc. Not once did he mention or give any credit to the PM. NOT once. What is occurring, there are going to be two teams out fighting this election for Labor,. The Rudd team, which is saving the bacon, and somehow has managed to take credit for all that the PM has achieved. In parallel, but not in unison, will be the Gillard team, one badly weakened by Rudd. Never the twain will meet. Gillard will be quietly pushed aside. It matter not, in what they are attempting to do. Time for takeover down the track. If I was the PM, I would be outraged tonight. Rudd has no right to use the "we" when talking about this government, What has been achieved, has been is spite of him, not with his help. Unless Rudd can come out, and give credit to the PM, he should be pushed back into the woodwork. His presence under what happen tonight, will prove toxic for Labor. Imagine the picnic the press and Opposition is going to have, playing one off against the other. If Rudd wants to help, he has to be part of the Gillard team, not run a team of his own. He has to cease saying "we" . He has to say at every chance, words like her government. Gillard government. He has to say, what she has achieved. I do not believe Rudd will be willing to do this. This man is treacherous. What I do not understand, others cannot see this. I do hope I am wrong. But my explanation makes sense of what has been occurring for the last couple of weeks. Still would love to know, what was that deep conversation between Hockey and Rudd, in the house today. Who is feeding Pyne, Even Pyne is not stupid enough to make the stories up he has been spreading today. What we seen tonight, is Rudd once again saying, I am Kevin, I have come to save you., The whole 7.30 was surreal.

Patriciawa

7/06/2013[b]Julia Gillard Is Still Standing![/b] [i] “Gillard Has Guts!”[/i] One paper told the truth today No matter what the others have to say. You know, about the PM being dead, Politically I mean. How often has that been said! But here she is alive and well, And with plenty of good news to tell. This picture says it all dear reader. We couldn’t have a better leader. While leakers and gossip writers go to town, Character assassins bring her down, And Abbott does his stunts and struts, She keeps smiling. Yes! Gillard has guts! http://polliepomes.wordpress.com/2013/06/06/julia-gillard-is-still-standing/

lyn

7/06/2013Today’s Links Dangerous Abbott and his dead wood by @independentaus Now Tony Abbott recently said he is happy with the make-up of his front bench and there will be no changes to it if he becomes Prime Minister.A surprising comment, since Abbott’s front bench has so much dead wood it has become a bushfire hazard. http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/dangerous-abbott-and-his-dead-wood/ The elite aversion to the 'great unwashed by @timdunlop If you are really concerned about the quality of debate when "ordinary people" enter the public sphere, the thing you need to address is not their ignorance, but their ongoing absence from it. http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4734336.html Asbestos threat from NBN rollout overstated according to public health expert by Eliza Harvey “The politicians are also beating this up,” Professor Armstrong said. They too are tending to portray it in a very negative light, that this is a major problem. Obviously the Opposition in trying to make it look as black as possible.” http://coffsoutlook.com/asbestos-threat-from-nbn-rollout-overstated-according-to-public-health-expert/ Public funding for ABC News is no longer defensible by @OnLineOpinion Press Club speech by Shadow Treasurer Joe Hockey. Again, a tawdry presentation riddled with economic gibberish and misleading assertions. And again the ABC stood and applauded alongside Murdoch, Fairfax and the Liberal Party – in news bulletins and current affairs. Again it was left to the alternative media to pull apart the economic nonsense. http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=15094&page=2 Daily Telegraph: not interested in the facts by Stephen Conroy Today I was contacted by the Daily Telegraph.I was asked seven questions (responses below).It is clear that the Daily Telegraph is not interested in the facts in this case. http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2013/088 The Aussie dollar is doing its bit by @TheKouk It will give a welcome income and competitive lift to exporters and will see local firms and industries that are competing with importers get a boost to their activity as the price of imports increase. http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4735274.html Some slow thoughts… by @MigloMT top of the page talks about framing, and, of course, if Gillard has made any mistake, it’s been that they’ve allowed other people to frame the debate in the wrong terms. By constantly moving the focus forward to the next election, the question issue becomes about how to ensure a win, not about how to make best use of their time in government. http://theaimn.com/2013/06/06/some-slow-thoughts/ An open letter to the ALP with particular reference to messieurs Fitzgibbon, Perrett, Ferguson, Melham and Griffin by @FairMediaAllian on behalf of all those Australians who care, and all those who work tirelessly, many on a voluntary basis, to secure a win for the Labor-led government and a defeat for Tony Abbott and the hostile media led by Rupert Murdoch http://fairmediaalliance.wordpress.com/2013/06/06/an-open-letter-to-the-alp-with-particular-reference-to-messieurs-fitzgibbon-perrett-ferguson-melham-and-griffin/ 500 miles by @watermelon_man a media campaign over three years unlike anything we have seen since the days of 1975 when Murdoch destroyed another reformist government led by Whitlam. In the face of Murdoch, Fairfax, the shock jocks and, sadly, the ABC, the puny efforts of bloggers like me and so many others have naught availed. http://davidhortonsblog.com/2013/06/06/500-miles/ White or Black? Conservatives, Liberals See Faces Differently by Tom Jacobs In three experiments, “we found that conservatives were more likely than liberals to categorize a racially ambiguous person as black than white,” a research team led by New York University psychologist Amy Krosch writes in the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology. http://www.psmag.com/blogs/news-blog/white-or-black-conservatives-liberals-see-faces-differently-59293/ ACMA invites you to help frame new rules by @btckr The Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) is inviting members of the public and media industry to contribute to a review of broadcasting codes of practice. http://truthinmediaresourcecentre.wordpress.com/author/barrytucker/ STOP THE BOATS by @TeamOyeniyi Even if we stop the people smugglers, boats will still come. The first boat that ever sailed here with asylum seekers on board was not a people smuggler boat. It was just young men desperate for a safe haven. http://teamoyeniyi.com/2013/06/06/stop-the-boats/ Julia Gillard Is Still Standing! by Patricia wa This is a pome from two years back when Murdoch and media mates were doing their usual thing in backing Tony Abbott to be in the Lodge tomorrow, or at least next week. http://polliepomes.wordpress.com/2013/06/06/julia-gillard-is-still-standing/ NBN media criticism highly politicised, says Budde by @renailemay In my opinion, the mainstream media in the form of the daily national newspapers (the AFR and the Australian) have been blatantly anti-NBN for some time now. You need only look at the current asbestos scandal to see this. The asbestos issue has little to do with the NBN or NBN Co per se http://delimiter.com.au/2013/06/06/nbn-media-criticism-highly-politicised-says-budde/ FTTH Co-Funding; Or How To Create Digital Ghettos by @sortius Co-funding will only be made available if it is “commercially or operationally infeasible”, and even then, “NBN Co may refuse any co-funded proposal that is commercially or operationally infeasible, provided a written explanation is provided to the originator and NBN Co shareholder Ministers.” http://sortius-is-a-geek.com/?p=3076 Today’s Front Pages Australian Newspaper Front Pages for 7 June 2013 http://www.thepaperboy.com/australia/front-pages.cfm News headlines http://www.hotheadlines.com.au/

Mal Kukura

7/06/2013No apologies this time Patriciawa - I forgot to be brief - it must be a sand groper thing The skid marx left by catsnap make me wonder if theres been a terrible accident. Perhaps the bus driver pulled out to avoid a child and the stain in Spain fell mainly in the drain - Oh where Oh where can UB. Corn is hat in hand with the wager ready and no show. Methinx N'asking is on the money with the tearing away of the veil to reveal a youthful, faux-bogan, covert Murdoch wolf behind the wool. As we coast towards ad Astra's promised refugee discussion I note that on 730 last night responding to Leigh Sales question about the suspicious Ferguson white flag and the affect of refugee boats on Western Sydney voters, KRudd listed three giant lies AAbbott has assembled his election rhetoric on - one of which is his simplistic substantial boat-refugee reduction hoax. KR said: as Mr Abbott approaches this election, he's essentially doing so on the basis of three arguments to the Australian people, and you've just pointed to one of them. On the asylum seekers question, let's just put his proposal in a nutshell. He says he will stop the boats and he will send them back to Indonesia. That is an absolute lie. He knows that. Everyone who knows this area of policy well knows that. It's more of a slogan than a substantive policy position and the Indonesian Government made that clear through their ambassador in the course of the last week or so. Did anyone else notice that Rudd's replies to Sales were crudely edited by the ABC butchers? Pyne was allowed to repeat his false accusations that the PM "demanded" and got an interview with 7:30 and that the PM also "demanded" that Sales guarantee that Rudd would make a statement that he is not offerring himself as alternative leader. The fabrication was obviously put together after the Rudd interview was leaked to Abbott and Pyne by their spies inside the ABC. The poodle-Pyne berserker response betrays panic in the LNP camp. Rudd scored knock out verbal punches and Pyne was left standing only by eletronic trix. Were he interviewing here on TPS the sword would have sunk deep. Leigh Sales clearly stated that Pynes’ accusation was a fabrication – looks like Mark Scott decided Pyne went too far this time. Sales repetition of the question about KR contesting the ALP leadership is becoming a trademark propaganda technique for the ABC hit squad. When the opposing political parties both accuse each other of lying - what are voters to do? I thought Rudd's 8 minute interview was a peerless political masterpiece the like of which I’ve not ever witnessed in Australian politics although Bill Clinton showed similar mastery at the Democratic convention in 2012. Some people have the gift and others don’t. None of the LNP dim wits come close. The devils who ate their souls left little to impress us with – only the electronic magnification that Murdoch donates as his investment to steal the ABC from tax payers like the C’Wealth Bank, Telstra and Qantas were stolen by the patrons who owned the Howard criminals. I've not said anything about KR's opening comments on the geo-political significance of the Chimerica relationship in which we here in OZ are so deeply entwined by geography language and cultural affinity to the USA. The transcript can be viewed here: http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3776544.htm KR has collapsed the bubble of pretentious hubris that intoxicated that the gang of LNP buffoons were been swallowed up by. A glimpse of reality has collapsed their fantasy - and the fireworks have begun already. Keep the matches from them or self-immolation might be imminent a la Zimmerman. Now at midnight all the agents And the superhuman crew Come out and round up everyone That knows more than they do Then they bring them to the factory Where the heart-attack machine Is strapped across their shoulders And then the kerosene The gloves are off. Our upcoming refugee discussion has the potential to make an important contribution to the tide of opinion on the 5th estate that will influence how real people vote on September 14th.

Ad astra

7/06/2013LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/LYNS-DAILY-LINKS.aspx

Pappinbarra Fox

7/06/2013From Ron's comment at IA this mornign: [quote]If there is a single message that can get through to the voting audience then that would be this: “When you vote remember that you are making an adult decision, and for such a decision there are adult consequences”. The choice for Australian voters has never before been as stark. They either believe the MSM/ABC/LNP bullshit and watch their world unfold into a mean spirited and economically exploited sandpit with no sense of fair play and or democratic freedoms to voice opinions, or progress towards being a clever country, or vote for a Government embracing state of the art communication, new age clean technology as well as pursuing important initiatives in the area of health and education. [/quote] I couldn't agree more and we need to change the psychology of those who are publicly expressing despair - inlcuding MPs- to adopt a positive and cheery outlook and ignore the inner dark thoughts. We will win and we can do it. Stop lamenting about something that has not happened yet! The milk has not been spilt, the fat lady has not sung. Be an adult but adopt a childlike expression at wonderment of what can still be possible in developing our nation fairly and positively.

Pappinbarra Fox

7/06/2013N at 12.04 am. I have been worried about your health for a little while and your mental health too. So much so that I must confess your posts distressed me so much that I began scrolling past them. Please for your own sake and you friends here on TPS and elsewhere, do not let the black dog gnaw at your guts. Becasue that is what it seems to me. This post at 12.04 tells me that paranoia is creeping in. You are seeing conspiracies where there are none. David Cameron's brother may well be a tory and may even be odious (maybe that's a tautology) but his explanation is perfectly rational and reasonable and is true. If you go finding conspiracies everwhere you look you will only adversely affect your own well being. And we do not want that.

Tom of Melboune

7/06/2013Catching Up - [i] “Bushfire, the way I seen Rudd tonight[/i] Typically Catching Up just cuts & pastes between a range of sites, without thought (or grammar).

cornlegend

7/06/2013SICK. I was just reading an old post of yours. January 15. 2011 07:25 AM If you can’t do better than that in quoting what ‘some people say’, don’t waste our time here. ... do try a little harder to earn you place among the serious bloggers here, and if you can't, please give TPS a miss. SICK, you fail on all your own criteria "don’t waste our time here." you are ! "do try a little harder to earn you place among the serious bloggers here " Major fail ! "if you can't, please give TPS a miss" you couldn't. you didn't Now are you going to take you own advice and "give TPS a miss" You have failed your own test SICK. Guess on you own judgement , you would have to abandon TPS. Bye SICK. Your contributions are worthless. Are you a SICK of your word. Will you do the honorable thing and "give TPS a miss" You said "try a little harder to earn you place among the serious bloggers here, and if you can't, please give TPS a miss. " You failed on all counts SICK. Sorry to see you go, but that's the honourable thing to do. But, somehow, SICK, I don't think you are very honourable, or trustworthy ,or honest. Are you an honorable person SICK, I doubt it ! The honourable thing to do would be to come and say BYE BYE to TPS. IF, you can't do that SICK, I, and I'm sure all others here, would continue to hold you in distain for your lack of honour. Hand back the Knighthood SICK. You have no honour

Ken

7/06/2013Catching Up and Mal Kukura re KR's appearance You seem to have slightly different views of KR's performance. Unfortunately I agree with both of you. CU - it did have elements of "look at me" and MK, yes, it was a very good performance labelling the Abbott for what he is. I said some time back that Labor needs Rudd campaigning for them. Even if Rudd is positioning for another tilt post-election, or even just to claim some credit, he has an important role to play in garnering the 4-5% swing (on current polls)Labor needs to win. A lot of the swinging voters will listen to Rudd. He is able to call Abbott a liar whereas Gillard probably can't (partly because of the campaign about her being a liar,and some would say it is the pot calling the kettle black, and also it is not as becoming from the Prime Minister). As I said before, if the PM and Rudd campagn effectively the election is clearly winnable. Let the PM focus on Labor's policies, and let Rudd lead the attack on Abbott, calling his so-called policies for what hey really are. No matter what I think of Rudd, or what his ultimate motive might be, in this campaign Labor needs him out there being seen and fighting to defeat Abbott. MK: also loved the Dylan quote.

cornlegend

7/06/2013TOM. You really do lead a sad life. Catching Up makes sensible comments. You post drivel. WoW, a little bit of grammar has you all worked up. Crawl back under your rock, and think of a proper response,like Jason has been asking you to do for weeks. TOM, try hard, it's possible to say something rational, even with just the one brain cell. TOM, I made a grammatical error, on purpose. just to try and brighten your other wise sad day

cornlegend

7/06/2013Ad Astra. I will be a keen observer of your next article, without comments from me. I look forward to the discussion. Quite frankly, I have no idea, no solution. I can see why it ends up in the "too hard" basket. Did see one cartoon of Abbott, sitting on about 50 pumps, pumping the Indian Ocean dry. caption "that will stop the boats"

Michael

7/06/2013Watching Qusetion Time yesterday, apart from my post also of yesterday that the Prime Minister was tearing all Opposition commentary and 'questions' to shreds... Who could not notice how giddily juvenile the behaviour and body language of the Coalition parliamentarians has become? They seem so certain that their taking the reins of government is in the bag that they do not need to present themselves as an alternate Government, but as a 'busload of high-school students returning from an excursion to the zoo'. The smirks, the laughter, the slouching in their seats and broad-faced geeing-on of their leader and his principals, Pyne, Hockey, Bishop, is of almost clinical sociological and anthropological interest. The behaviour conveys nothing at all of the supposed 'adult government in waiting' that chief smirker and gesticulating interjector Shouldabeen PM Abbott continues to assert backs him. How anyone can observe Question Time, professionally as members of the press, or subjectively as viewers at home, and see this Abbott Coalition as anything other than adolescent amateurs is beyond me. Abbott, who's been rolled by his party room more often than any other Opposition Leader this close to an election in recent history, is by no rational measure a national leader (well, he might rate high on the Berlusconi Scale of Dangerous Buffoonery) in waiting. But then, you know all this, don't you? "You" on either side of the ideological 'fence' - those aghast at the likelihood of him becoming PM; those others who see no future for Australia without a conservative philosophy guiding government policy - this much you and we all share: Abbott's done his job destroying a large part of this nation's capacity to make objective political judgement, but beyond that destructive ability, he has none other to bring to the leadership of this country. A barbarian suited to smashing the gate, but let him walk through it and claim the prize within? Nobody really wants that, nobody with any sense of how a nation and a society works, nobody. He'll either be stopped at the "gate", or chopped down shortly after passing through it. Because the question asked from diametrically opposed ends of the political spectrum comes up with the same answer. Abbott PM? He's not up to it.

TalkTurkey

7/06/2013I said a couple of days ago, I wrote a story about a literal *corn legend* for Black Dog Institute, OK well I'll tell you the story behind the story first. Around 2008 BDI offered prizes of $1000 $3000 and $5000 for the best three stories of how the term [b]Black Dog[/b] first came to be a term for depression. $5K! I was into that. BDI had also invited people to write about their experiences with this dread beast - one I know all too well in case you thought I was tra~la~la all the time. Excerpts from many entries were subsequently published in a book called [i]Tracking the Black Dog.[/i] I wrote a fair bit in a sort of essay, and to my surprise it was very heavily quoted throughout the book. (Under my first name only.) [By the way writing is my antidote to depression. So writing about it was therapeutic in itself. And I understand that the science and I agree about its efficacy.] The short story is, I didn't win any of the prizes but I liked my own story anyway. The bloke who did win wrote a very scholarly, factual, researched essay but he only went back a couple of hundred years, to strict actual mentions of it in English. I must say I thought it was pretty dry and cossetted view of the subject, but oh well. I chose a different sort of story, part fantasy, part true, and sort of psychologically scary. I began with the observation that [i]anyone who has owned a hairy black dog knows that wherever that dog chooses to lie down gradually becomes coated with a layer of black hair.[/i] (This will come into my story later.) Then I went back to our ancient universal fear of the dark, probably predating civilization or even our modern species altogether. This fear was obviously expressed as early as in Ancient Egypt, where Anubis, the dread Jackal-Headed God, held the scales against which the dead were weighed and judged, and consigned either to eternal life or eternal darkness. Jackal, Darkness: Dog, Black. Pretty obvious I admit. But also pretty compelling, and even if the Egyptian civilization has long been buried beneath the desert sands, the idea must have had continuous currency far and wide down through the ages. I detailed the spooky stories of the dread Black Shuck, also known as Scucca, the Moddy Dhoo and several other names. He is supposedly a monstrous and malevolent black hound who appears, often out of nowhere, to follow lonely walkers in various parts of England. He sometimes has two huge glowing eyes, sometimes only one, sometimes he is headless, but he is always evil and may presage imminent death. If you want to feel the hair rise on the back of your neck go http://www.sussexarch.org.uk/saaf/blackdog.html ! The Black Dog of Bungay is one of the most amazing spooky stories I have ever heard. Something really weird happened there, and I don't even really believe in really weird. http://www.bungay-suffolk.co.uk/bungay/black-dog-legend.asp I went into lycanthropy, ("wolf-shape") the phenomenon of shape-shifting that is the basis for werewolf yarns across northern Europe and Scandinavia, with a history that goes back at least to the Vikings. In Eastern Europe vampires like Count Dracula could change into monstrous bats (or anything they liked I think) in any colour as long as it was black. That brought me to the Salem Witch Trials in America in the late 17th Century. In several places there were sudden outbreak of craziness by a group of young women accusing others of witchcraft, and in not a few cases the women accused themselves. Many women - 50 or more! - were hanged, one "press'd to death" and the whole strange saga can be found easily here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials All of these stories have currency only in cold climates. [i]Climates too cold for wheat to grow very well.[/i] The grain that thrives best in all those places is Rye. It is certain that Rye was a foodstuff used by the people of Salem, because it is recorded that one of the women made a porridge of some, mixed with urine from the accused girls, to feed to a dog to see if it would do anything witchy. (The outcome for that experiment is unknown. But I recommend that you don't try it at home.) Rye is the primary and preferred host to [i]claviceps purpurea[/i], the ergot fungus, which can spread like wildfire through a healthy crop in just a day or so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claviceps_purpurea Spores infect the heads at the flowering stage, turning them black (very dark purple under magnification). A crop which looked healthy at sunset may by next morning appear flattened and blackened - [i]as if a monstrous black dog has rolled on it.[/i] Ergot fungus produces a mixture of toxic substances, most notable ergotinine, the basis for lysergic acid, which can be processed into lysergic acid di-ethyl amide - LSD. Lysergic acid is itself hallucinogenic, and grain infected with ergot causes a variety of symptoms, including visions, convulsions, and 'St Anthony's Fire', a condition where the entire body feels as if it is burning. Plainly if a whole crop has been infected and a community has nothing else to eat, the outcomes might be very freaky indeed - as appears to have been the case in Salem. So people were, in a very literal sense, affected by the Black Dog. I tied the story up pretty well at the time, (it was 5000 words), the above is only a sort of list of the ingredients, but I made connections between mental illness, Black Dogs, ergot fungus, fear of the dark and so on, this isn't much of a retelling I know but I thought it was pretty good myself. Anyway, it is indeed a *corn legend*, eh! :)

nasking

7/06/2013 Pappinbarra Fox, SKIP ALL OF MY POSTS YOU LIKE. I NOTE YER USE OF FOX. AS FOR YER MENTAL HEALTH COMMENT...GO STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE. N'

cornlegend

7/06/2013TalkTurkey good one. mine doesn't rival that Years ago, students of mine were setting me up with an email account. they chose it. Michael Question Time is compulsory viewing for me. Gillard wipes the floor with the fools every time She is a polished performer. Just wish she, and the Labor party would develop a bit of "mongrel" and get out there and stick it right um em everyday, everywhere, every time

Patriciawa

7/06/2013Thank you, Pappinbarra Fox, for the wisdom of your recent comments. We certainly need to cheer up on all fronts and focus on the job of getting our good government back in September to continue the work which the ALP and those sensible cross benchers have persisted with despite the game playing of the Opposition. Michael is so right about [i]"how giddily juvenile the behaviour and body language of the Coalition parliamentarians has become."[/i]

nasking

7/06/2013 I HAVE BEEN POSTING FOR MANY YEARS NOW...AND COME ACROSS A LOT OF TRICKY CHARACTERS IN MY TIME WHO ACT LIKE THEIR ON OUR SIDE BUT AT KEY MOMENTS ATTACK VALUABLE CONTRIBUTORS. BE AWARE OF THAT. IT IS HARD TO DISCERN BETWEEN THOSE WHO ARE BONA-FIDE AND THOSE WHO ARE FULL OF IT. AS FOR PM DAVID CAMERON IN THE UK: Conservative Party communications director Coulson became the Conservative Party's director of communications on 9 July 2007. Various media stories estimated his salary at between £275,000 and £475,000; the party indicated the latter figure was "inaccurate" and that his salary was "substantially less" but refused to provide an exact figure. [b]In July 2011 the Mail on Sunday alleged that Cameron had been about to appoint the BBC's Guto Harri, but was persuaded by Rebekah Wade to appoint Coulson. The paper quoted "an individual intimately involved in Mr Coulson's recruitment" as saying "Rebekah indicated the job should go to Andy. Cameron was told it should be someone acceptable to News International. The company was also desperate to find something for Andy after he took the rap when the phone hacking first became an issue. The approach was along the lines of, 'If you find something for Andy we will return the favour'."[/b] Director of Communications for the Prime Minister [b]After David Cameron became Prime Minister in May 2010, he appointed Coulson as Director of Communications for the government at 10 Downing Street. His pay was £140,000, the highest paid special advisor. [/b] Coulson announced his resignation on 21 January 2011. He commented about the News of the World allegations "I stand by what I've said about those events but when the spokesman needs a spokesman it's time to move on." In July 2011 questions were raised about Coulson's security vetting at Number Ten. He had not been subjected to the highest level of vetting, "developed vetting", allowing unrestricted access to Top Secret material. His predecessors had had the highest level of vetting, as did his successor and (after his departure) his deputy. The Guardian said that the disclosure "is understood to have 'absolutely shocked' some Whitehall information staff." According to Chris Bryant MP, senior officials working with Coulson believed that he had the same clearance level as his predecessor. Coulson continued to be an embarrassment to Cameron as it emerged that he was still being paid by News International while working for the then opposition leader. Private Consultancy On 7 February 2011, Coulson and his wife established 'Elbrus Consultants Ltd' (UK Company Number 07519035). The purpose of the company is not recorded by Companies House, but is reportedly a PR agency. Clients include 'One Young World'. Kate Roberston of One Young World told the Guardian "He can't do One Young World work at the moment, that is absolutely clear". Renewed allegations on phone hacking Main article: News of the World phone hacking affair [b]As the Conservative Party's director of communications, Coulson continued to be subjected to allegations that he was aware of the hacking of phones while serving as the editor of News of the World. [/b] On 7 July 2009, John Prescott called on leader of the Conservative Party David Cameron to remove Coulson from his position, after The Guardian revealed further details about phone-hacking by the News of the World. Cameron, though, defended Coulson on the morning of 9 July: "I believe in giving people a second chance. As director of communications for the Conservatives he does an excellent job in a proper, upright way at all times." On 1 September 2010 The New York Times printed new allegations from former News of the World reporters alleging that Coulson had "actively encouraged" reporters to illegally intercept voicemail messages, and that he "was present during discussions about phone hacking". Coulson has denied these latest claims. Sean Hoare, – showbusiness reporter at News of the World during Coulson's reign – speaking on Five Live, who accused Coulson of lying, has said that indeed Coulson did not ask him to phone hack but veiled his request in "metaphorical language" and asked him to practise his "dark arts". And Clive Goodman, in a letter from 2007: "The practice was widely discussed in the daily editorial conference, until explicit reference to it was banned by the editor." A report aired on Channel 4's Dispatches in October included remarks made by an unnamed source, said to have been a former senior journalist at the News of the World who worked alongside Coulson. The source alleged that Coulson had personally listened to messages obtained through phone hacking. He was a witness in HM Advocate v Sheridan and Sheridan, where he denied under oath that he had any knowledge of phone hacking at the News of the World, or that he knew Glenn Mulcaire, the private detective at the centre of controversy. However, the Crown Prosecution Service said in December 2010 that it had determined that there was insufficient evidence to charge Coulson over allegations that he was aware of phone-hacking at the publication. The CPS said that witnesses interviewed by Metropolitan Police – including those who had previously made allegations through media outlets – had not been willing to provide admissible evidence. The Guardian reported on 7 July 2011 that Coulson was to be arrested the following day, along with a senior journalist whom the paper refused to name. Coulson was arrested at Scotland Yard at 10:30 am on 8 July 2011. He was questioned under caution, and later that day released on police bail until October, but made no comment on his release. On 24 July 2012, Coulson was charged along with seven others for "conspiring to intercept communications without lawful authority from 3rd October 2000 to 9th August 2006." These charges were made about 1 year after the Metropolitan Police Service reopened its dormant investigation into phone hacking, about 3 years after the then Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Service told the Commons Culture, Media and Sport Committee that "no additional evidence has come to light,"[42] 5 years after Coulson and News International executives began claiming that phone hacking was the work of a single "rogue reporter, [b]10 years after The Guardian began reporting that the Met had evidence of widespread illegal acquisition of confidential information, and 13 years after the Met began accumulating "boxloads" of that evidence, including sources for News of the World journalists while Coulson was editor, but kept it unexamined in trash bags at Scotland Yard.[/b] Since police renewed investigations in 2011, 90 people have been arrested and 16 formally charged with crimes, including Coulson, in conjunction with illegal acquisition of confidential information. Many of the people arrested and charged were employees or agents of News of the World during the period that Coulson was editor. Coulson's trial over the phone-hacking claims will take place in September 2013. Perjury charge He was detained by Strathclyde Police at 06.30 BST on 30 May 2012 in London, and taken to Govan Police Station in Glasgow arriving shortly before 15.30 BST.[ He was later charged with having committed perjury in 2010 during HM Advocate v Sheridan and Sheridan. WIKIPEDIA [b]CAMERON CANNOT BE TRUSTED.[/b] THE LIB DEMS SHOULD CONSIDER MOVING TO A LABOR/LIB DEM ALLIANCE IF IT IS DISCOVERED THE TORIES ARE ATTEMPTING TO GIVE BROOKS, COULSON ETC 'GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARS' NOT CONSPIRACY...FACT...COULSON WAS MURDOCH'S BOY...AND WAS CHOSEN BY CAMERON. MURDOCH'S SUN ETC HELPED DESTROY LABOUR'S GORDON BROWN IN THE ELECTION. FACT. N'

Tom of Melbourne

7/06/2013People here wonder why the public is so disaffected with this government. You only have to look at some of the comments that are as vitriolic towards many caucus members as they are to the Liberals. With the ALP so deeply divided why support them?

nasking

7/06/2013 should be: [b]WHO ACT LIKE THEY'RE ON OUR SIDE BUT AT KEY MOMENTS ATTACK VALUABLE CONTRIBUTORS. THE LIB DEMS SHOULD CONSIDER MOVING TO A LABOR/LIB DEM ALLIANCE IF IT IS DISCOVERED THE TORIES ARE ATTEMPTING TO GIVE BROOKS, COULSON ETC 'GET OUT OF JAIL FREE' CARDS[/b] N'

cornlegend

7/06/2013TOM. AH the brain cell worked, you want to know why "With the ALP so deeply divided why support them?" Because even a divided Labor is 100 times better than Abbotts rabid right mob

nasking

7/06/2013 [b]THE NEW JIM CROW[/b]...in the book it mentions gangsta rap: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=RMbDiacb8cIC&pg=PA168&lpg=PA168&dq=the+new+jim+crow,+gangsta+rap&source=bl&ots=PFS3Z1usH4&sig=c1jJr7ivYSvL_drBLFQ1ULMIbFo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1kqxUYCJNuS8iAfw74HgCQ&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=the%20new%20jim%20crow%2C%20gangsta%20rap&f=false REVIEWS: “Invaluable. . .The New Jim Crow is a timely and stunning guide to the labyrinth of propaganda, discrimination, and racist policies masquerading under other names that comprises what we call justice in America.” —Daily Kos Contrary to the rosy picture of race embodied in Barack Obama’s political success and Oprah Winfrey’s financial success, legal scholar Alexander argues vigorously and persuasively that ‘[w]e have not ended racial caste in America; we have merely redesigned it.’ Jim Crow and legal racial segregation has been replaced by mass incarceration as ‘a system of social control’ (‘More African Americans are under correctional control today. . . than were enslaved in 1850′). Alexander reviews American racial history from the colonies to the Clinton administration, delineating its transformation into the ‘war on drugs.’ She offers an acute analysis of the effect of this mass incarceration upon former inmates ‘who will be discriminated against, legally, for the rest of their lives, denied employment, housing, education, and public benefits.’ - PUBLISHER'S WEEKLY http://newjimcrow.com/praise-for-the-new-jim-crow IF WE PERMIT GANGSTA RAP TO PENETRATE THE AUSTRALIAN COMMUNITIES TOO MUCH IT WILL LEAD US DOWN A PATH OF MANY MORE ABORIGINES AND SUDANESE BEING IMPRISONED. THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WANT...MORE EXCUSES FOR [b]CON[/b]SERVATIVES TO USE THEIR MEDIA AND POLITICIANS TO VILIFY, FEAR-MONGER... AND CREATE MORE PRISONS LUCRATIVE FOR BUSINESSES AND RELIGIONS...AS WE'RE SEEING IN THE UK. FAR TOO MANY YOUNG INDIGINEOUS INCARCERATED ALREADY. N'

nasking

7/06/2013 [b]Because even a divided Labor is 100 times better than Abbotts rabid right mob[/b] EXACTLY. LABOR WILL FIND ITS WAY IN ITS OWN TIME. THE VOTERS ARE VERY WARY OF ABBOTT AND HIS CONNECTIONS TO RINEHART AND MURDOCH AND IPA. THEY DON'T WANT AN INCREASE IN THE GST...AND BROADENING OF IT TO THEIR FRESH FOOD. EVERY PERSON I SPOKE TO AT A RECENT PARTY HERE IN STH EAST QLD WAS CLEAR ABOUT THAT. ---- AND LET ME BE CLEAR ABOUT THIS...I AM TIRED OF CONTRIBUTORS ON THE SO CALLED LEFT ATTACKING ME... I WONDER ABOUT YOUR INTEGRITY...AND MOTIVES. I HAVE DONE LITTLE BUT SHARE YER POSTS, USEFUL COMMENTS ETC. YOU DO LITTLE BUT GO AT ME. IF THIS CONTINUES I'LL LEAVE THIS SITE. I HAVE OTHER SITES I CONTRIBUTE TOO. I LET YOU DO YER THING...LET ME DO MINE. N'

nasking

7/06/2013 Should be: [b]AND CREATE MORE PRISONS LUCRATIVE FOR BUSINESSES AND RELIGIONS...AS WE'RE SEEING IN THE UK...AND USA.[/b]

nasking

7/06/2013 YET ANOTHER REASON I DON'T TRUST THE PRESENT COALITION...FAR TOO MANY BSing OLD GUARD STILL THERE: [b]SIEV X and the DFAT cable: The conspiracy of silence[/b] http://www.safecom.org.au/sievx-hutton.htm EVEN SIMON CREAN, THE DEMS AND DATELINE HAD THEIR DOUBTS ABOUT SOME OF THE INFO COMING OUT OF THE HOWARD ADMIN ETC. N'

Doug Evans

7/06/2013Talk Turkey that was really fascinating. Particularly the legend of the Black Dog of Bungay

Mal Kukura

7/06/2013Spell binding prose Michael "A barbarian suited to smashing the gate, but let him walk through it and claim the prize within? Nobody really wants that, nobody with any sense of how a nation and a society works, nobody. He'll either be stopped at the "gate", or chopped down shortly after passing through it. Because the question asked from diametrically opposed ends of the political spectrum comes up with the same answer. Abbott PM? He's not up to it." "Barbarian" is no exaggeration. Not fit to be admitted into civilized communities. The global sustainable habitat of the not too distant future will need to design in protections to exclude or quarantine hyper-barbarians until corrective education has been effective. Humanity had to suffer the agonies of small pox and the plague until vaccines were invented and immunity could be provided. Civilization needs immunity from the mental illness that infects the barbarian mind. We await the equivalent of Pasteur to invent effective means of vaccinating the public to protect us from the contagion carried by the human wolves who dress in wool to disguise themselves among the sheeple. Like Nasking said – it is quite difficult to spot them because like viral micro-organisms they disguise themselves as authentic ones.

nasking

7/06/2013 [b]As I said before, if the PM and Rudd campagn effectively the election is clearly winnable. Let the PM focus on Labor's policies, and let Rudd lead the attack on Abbott, calling his so-called policies for what hey really are.[/b] [b]No matter what I think of Rudd, or what his ultimate motive might be, in this campaign Labor needs him out there being seen and fighting to defeat Abbott.[/b] KEN, I AGREE. BOTH HAVE THEIR OWN DISTINCT STYLES...AND OFT GET THE MESSAGE OUT TO DIFFERENT AUDIENCES. N'

nasking

7/06/2013 DON'T FORGET...[b]HILLARY CLINTON AND BARACK OBAMA HAD THEIR DIFFERENCES[/b] IN 2008... BUT [b]CAME TOGETHER TO WIN THAT ELECTION[/b]... EVEN BILL CLINTON HELPED. N'

nasking

7/06/2013 HMMM: [b]Father-of-two Alex Cameron was voted head of chambers a few weeks before his brother, 44, was elected Prime Minister. [/b] Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2010690/Legal-aid-fees-David-Camerons-older-lawyer-brother-hushed-up.html#ixzz2VV0hZaY5 Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook N'

Truth Seeker

7/06/2013NAS, MATE DON'T WORRY ABOUT, OR LISTEN TO THE DETRACTORS, MOST HERE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS AND INSIGHTS :-) YOU ARE A GREAT WARRIOR FOR THE CAUSE :-) ;-) KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK :-) CHEERS :-) :-)

cornlegend

7/06/2013nasking This old lefty finds your posts both informative and interesting. food for thought.

nasking

7/06/2013 DOUG EVANS, I MEANT TO REPLY TO YOU...YOU WROTE: [b]NOT WITHOUT TRUTH RUNDLE DESCRIBES FEENEY AS 'ONE OF THE MOST RIGHT WING MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT', ONE OF PARLIAMENT'S MOST FERVENT ZIONIST SHILLS',ONE OF THE MOST VOCAL OPPONENTS OF SAME SEX MARRIAGE'.[/b] DOUG...EVEN THO I LIKE SOME OF GUY RUNDLE'S POSTS FOR CRIKEY I DON'T SEE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS WITH FEENEY BEING A ZIONIST. I SUPPORT ISRAEL TOO...DOES THAT MEAN I SHOULD BE BANNED FROM HERE...OR GETTING A JOB WITH THE ALP? RIDICULOUS! I DO WISH FEENEY THO WOULD SUPPORT SAME-SEX MARRIAGE...BUT HE HAS HIS OWN VIEWS...THAT'S HIS RIGHT. AS LONG AS HE DOESN'T VILIFY THE LGBT COMMUNITY. LIKE SOME ON THE RIGHT-WING DO. THERE ARE PLENTY OF ISRAEL SUPPORTERS IN THE ALP. SO WHAT? ONE OF THE REASONS I GOT PISSED WITH ONE OF THE GREENS WAS THEM CALLING FOR A BOYCOTT OF ISRAELI GOODS...MADNESS! THANK GOODNESS BOB BROWN AND OTHER GREENS DISAGREED. N'

TalkTurkey

7/06/2013Here's the only Jim Crow I know about. Check the first couple of lines, and the last two words! RICHARD HARRIS BARHAM (1788-1845) THE JACKDAW OF RHEIMS The Jackdaw sat on the Cardinal's chair! [b]Bishop and abbot [/b]and prior were there; Many a monk and many a friar, Many a knight and many a squire, With a great many more of lesser degree, In sooth a goodly company; And they served the Lord Primate on bended knee. Never, I ween, Was prouder seen, Read of in books, or dreamt of in dreams, Than the Cardinal Lord Archbishop of Rheims! In and out Through the motley rout, That little Jackdaw kept hopping about; Here and there Like a dog in a fair, Over comfits and cates, And dishes and plates, Cowl and cope and rochet and pall, Mitre and crosier! He hopp'd upon all! With saucy air, He perch'd on the chair Where, in state, the great Lord Cardinal sat In the great Lord Cardinal's great red hat; And he peer'd in the face Of his Lordship's Grace, With a satisfied look, as if he would say, "We two are the greatest folks here to-day!" And the priests, with awe, As such freaks they saw, Said, "The Devil must be in that little Jackdaw!" The feast was over, the board was clear'd, The flawns and the custards had all disappear'd, And six little singing-boys--dear little souls! In nice clean faces and nice white stoles, Came, in order due, Two by two, Marching that grand refectory through! A nice little boy held a golden ewer, Emboss'd and fill'd with water, as pure As any that flows between Rheims and Namur, Which a nice little boy stood ready to catch In a fine golden hand-basin made to match. Two nice little boys, rather more grown, Carried lavender-water, and eau de Cologne And a nice little boy had a nice cake of soap, Worthy of washing the hands of the Pope. One little boy more A napkin bore, Of the best white diaper, fringed with pink And a Cardinal's Hat mark'd in permanent ink. The great Lord Cardinal turns at the sight Of these nice little boys dress'd all in white: From his finger he draws His costly turquoise; And, not thinking at all about little Jackdaws, Deposits it straight By the side of his plate, While the nice little boys on his Eminence wait; 'Till, when nobody's dreaming of any such thing, That little Jackdaw hops off with the ring! There's a cry and a shout, And a deuce of a rout, And nobody seems to know what they're about, But the Monks have their pockets all turn'd inside out. The Friars are kneeling, And hunting, and feeling The carpet, the floor, and the walls, and the ceiling. The Cardinal drew Off each plum-colour'd shoe, And left his red stockings exposed to the view; He peeps and he feels In the toes and the heels; They turn up the dishes; they turn up the plates, They take up the poker and poke out the grates, They turn up the rugs, They examine the mugs: But, no! - no such thing; They can't find THE RING! And the Abbott declared that, "when nobody twigg'd it, Some rascal or other had popp'd in and prigg'd it!" The Cardinal rose with a dignified look, He call'd for his candle, his bell and his book! In holy anger and pious grief, He solemnly cursed that rascally thief! He cursed him at board, he cursed him in bed; From the sole of his foot to the crown of his head; He cursed him in sleeping, that every night He should dream of the devil and wake in a fright; He cursed him in eating, he cursed him in drinking, He cursed him in coughing, in sneezing, in winking; He cursed him in sitting, in standing, in lying; He cursed him in walking, in riding, in flying, He cursed him in living, he cursed him in dying!-- Never was heard such a terrible curse! But what gave rise To no little surprise, Nobody seem'd one penny the worse! The day was gone, The night came on, The Monks and the Friars they search'd till dawn; When the Sacristan saw, On crumpled claw, Come limping a poor little lame Jackdaw! No longer gay, As on yesterday; His feathers all seem'd to be turn'd the wrong way; His pinions droop'd - he could hardly stand, His head was as bald as the palm of your hand; His eye so dim, So wasted each limb, That, heedless of grammar, they all cried, "THAT'S HIM! That's the scamp that's done this scandalous thing! That's the thief that's got my Lord Cardinal's Ring!" The poor little Jackdaw, When the Monks he saw, Feebly gave vent to the ghost of a caw; And turn'd his bald head, as much as to say, "Pray, be so good as to walk this way!" Slower and slower He limp'd on before, Till they came to the back of the belfry door, Where the first thing they saw, Midst the sticks and the straw, Was the ring in the nest of that little Jackdaw! Then the great Lord Cardinal call'd for his book, And off that terrible curse he took; The mute expression Served in lieu of confession, And, being thus coupled with full restitution, The Jackdaw got plenary absolution! When those words were heard, That poor little bird Was so changed in a moment, 'twas really absurd. He grew sleek and fat; In addition to that, A fresh crop of feathers came thick as a mat! His tail waggled more Even than before; But no longer it wagg'd with an impudent air, No longer he perch'd on the Cardinal's chair. He hopp'd now about With a gait devout; At Matins, at Vespers, he never was out And, so far from any more pilfering deeds, He always seem'd telling the Confessor's beads. If any one lied, - or if any one swore, Or slumber'd in pray'r-time and happen'd to snore, That good Jackdaw Would give a great "Caw!" As much as to say, "Don't do so any more!" While many remark'd, as his manners they saw, That they "never had known such a pious Jackdaw!" He long lived the pride Of that countryside, And at last in the odour of sanctity died; When, as words were too faint His merits to paint, The Conclave determined to make him a Saint; And on newly-made Saints and Popes, as you know, It's the custom, at Rome, new names to bestow, So they canonized him by the name of [b]Jim Crow![/b]

Tom of Melbourne

7/06/2013Isn't it funny the way that poor little creature waits in the wings, hoping and hoping to be involved in an argument. Please try making a comment worth replying to.

nasking

7/06/2013 CHEERS TRUTH SEEKER AND CORN LEGEND. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK. WE ALL KNOW THAT THE [b]BEST POLITICAL PARTIES[/b] ARE MADE UP OF [b]PEOPLE WITH DIVERSE [/b] [b]VIEWS[/b] WITH [b]SOME COMMONALITIES... [/b] ONE BEING [b]MOVING FORWARD ON THE LONG ROAD TO A FAIRER SOCIETY[/b]. SOME TAKE [b]DIFFERENT PATHS TO GET THERE.[/b].. [b]BUT WHEN THEY EVENTUALLY UNITE... THEY ARE FORMIDABLE[/b]. [b]UNSTOPPABLE[/b] :D N'

cornlegend

7/06/2013TOM said "Isn't it funny the way that poor little creature waits in the wings " It is sad TOM. Don't wait in the wings. Why don't you go and try to buy a friend ? You poor little creature, you. Spread your wings TOM, fly away !

Doug Evans

7/06/2013Well said Michael. Abbott is definitely not up to the task but there we part ways. I fear you are too optimistic. My crystal ball says: He will be elected and become PM with a whopping majority. He will quickly be found wanting and his popularity with the electorate will only start to wane slowly. but As long as his polls hold up he is safe as PM. He will protect his position as PM by showing he can deliver to his corporate backers who will in turn support him. There will be a massive smokescreen laid by the MSM to conceal any blunders so his popularity decay curve will be gentle for years. When the crash comes it will be brutal and he will be reviled by historians and electors who survive his prime ministership but we will be stuck with him for at least two terms. It will be the early 2020s before Labor has the chance of another term of government and unless they straighten out their many, many structural problems it may be longer, perhaps much longer. I'm resigned to never seeing a Greens government but at age 66 I may well never see another Labor government. I'm not a Labor voter but I weep for my country. Sorry Nasking but this is what is happening to us.

Truth Seeker

7/06/2013cornlegend, sorry mate, but you missed it :( 20,003 :-) But I will credit you if you like :-) :-) Cheers :-)

42 long

7/06/2013Abbott's mob are $#!t sacred of "something " happening to have them lose the unlosable election. How would he cope? All the build up all the No NO NO!. He has "Questions to answer " and he want's to avoid stuffing up. No doubt he will. (AS Bishop has with Indonesia). I guess Malaysia won't be enamoured of then either after the continual insulting of them with the "People swap". comments Abbott is an awkward fellow. When he is near children they don't warm to him. He looks as if he is going to poke their eyes out. He has no idea of how to hold one. Dogs are good judges of character. I wonder if they like him. HE wonders if Murdoch likes him . Why does Murdoch have to like him when he gets his services anyway?.

Pappinbarra Fox

7/06/2013Thank you NasKing

cornlegend

7/06/2013Truthseeker. Congratulation, 20,000 hits at http://truthseekersmusings.wordpress.com/

Truth Seeker

7/06/2013cornlegend, mate you really are a legend :-) :-) Cheers :-)

TalkTurkey

7/06/2013Doug Evans Glad you enjoyed the bit about Black Dog. Black Dog Institute has an amazing logo. [i]Absolutely the cleverest I have ever seen.[/i] Check it out. http://www.blackdoginstitute.org.au/ Grok on the symbolism. It's astounding. A V-for-victory hand sign as made famous by Winston Churchill, himself a sometime depressive, and who [i]also[/i] made famous the term [b]Black Dog [/b]as meaning depression. Yet lurking in the background is the shadow of the Black Dog itself ... (And you can actually do it too!) But it is the hand itself, not the shadow, which is defiant and ultimately victorious. I don't know who did that logo. I honour that artist. Better than brilliant. [i]Wonderful[/i]. Now Doug if I remember correctly, I first struck some sparks off you in ?2011? and very soon thereafter I did something similar to David Horton, aka Watermelon Man. I'm pretty sure I drove both of you away, not that I'm proud of that but I'm not ashamed either, I acknowledge my abrasiveness and I wear my Labor allegiance for all to see as you know. Well, I have never pretended friendship to the Greens, simply on the basis that that mob has sucked power off Labor, it is a constant nag and drag on those left to do the real work, and it has disastrously impacted on our ability to govern, delayed carbon pollution action, prevented the only workable refugee strategy costing lives at sea, cynically exploited its balance of power position in the Senate, talked down the Government at every opportunity and left us in this precarious position, with Milne obviously preferring the reflected glory of possible BofP position in a Abborrrrrtian Government to social progress under an autonomous Labor Government. Well here's what Comrade David said yesterday! I'm nearly in tears, yes Dam I am! David Horton ‏@watermelon_man 22h Here is post number 500 http://wp.me/pT9cu-P0 in which, after decades of voting Green, I return to voting Labor.

Lucy

7/06/2013Hi everyone. Just want to acknowledge this article ad astra "In my opinion, hatred is the most extreme response to ideological debate. What we ought to see instead is robust dialogue, argument, claim and counter-claim, agreement and disagreement, even opposition, but without the hatred." If only we could have honest debate of old. But Abbott wouldn't have a hope of winning an honest contest of ideas. He has nothing new to offer. Look at his front bench, he is so devoid of ideas and so scared of what is before him as potential PM that he has kept the front bench as is in the hope that he can channel Howard's success into his own.

Ken

7/06/2013Doug Don't despair. Labor needs about a 5% swing to win. In normal circumstances that would be a big ask, but these are not normal circumstances. The electorate is volatile; not happy with either party. When the crunch comes, i.e. actually casting a vote, rather than just expressing being pissed off with politicians in an opinion poll, there will be a small shift. Another small shift, as some also decide to go with the "devil they know". Some will also decide that when it comes to policies for the next three or more years, Abbott is not really offering much. Rudd has entered the game which is good for Labor (as I posted earlier). He has the capacity to swing another portion, especially in Queensland. I'm not saying that this will definitely result in a Labor win, but the election will be much closer than many are currently speculating - at least in terms of vote. How that translates into seats is the big issue. And NSW remains a problem, largely because of the ICAC inquiry and the rub-off on State Labor - whether that translates to an anti-Labor vote at the Federal level is problematic. Previous experience suggests there will be some impact but lessened to some extent by the group of voters who do separate Stae and Federal issues. As much as the Liberals may throw dirt at Gillard (the "broken promises", etc), there is plenty to be thrown at Abbott. And some videos on YouTube that make him appear totally out of his depth when asked questions he does not have a slogan for. My summary this far out - too close to call.

Truth Seeker

7/06/2013SICK, whoever said that was obviously referring to your mum, cos they obviously had an insight that you particular gene pool should have been emptied, disinfected and then closed down, for the sake of the entire human race which has been forever tainted by the antics the SICK family weed. Cheers :-) :-)

cornlegend

7/06/2013SICK Not the "alleged Prime Minister" she is the Prime Minister. SICK ,you have still not produced the quote. Therefore you lie Sick. SICK, you didn't respond to this earlier post. You'd better fall on your sword SICK. but then again, you have no honour just a reminder Sick YOU SAID SICK. I was just reading an old post of yours. January 15. 2011 07:25 AM If you can’t do better than that in quoting what ‘some people say’, don’t waste our time here. ... do try a little harder to earn you place among the serious bloggers here, and if you can't, please give TPS a miss. SICK, you fail on all your own criteria

cornlegend

7/06/2013SICK, Don't complain you said "You'd better read this quickly before Ad Astra deletes it like he has deleted about 4 of my posts so far." with all the utter rubbish you post it amazes me that it's only 4. SICK read the previous post. do the honourable thing To use your words SICK "do try a little harder to earn you place among the serious bloggers here, and if you can't, please give TPS a miss." Each time you post SICK, I will post this for you as a reminder of what a gutless, dishonourable grub you are. People can then judge your worthlessness

Truth Seeker

7/06/2013SICK, always going for second prize sad really sad , but then that's the story of your life, or it would be if you had one :-O You are a really SAD SICK :-) Cheers :-)

Lucy

7/06/2013Hi Ken. I agree with you. It's too early to call this election. As it gets closer responsible people, and I count most of the electorate as responsible, will start to focus on the issues, and policies, and which party is going to hit their hip pocket the hardest. And the answer to that question is the Coalition. Firstly they plan to scrap the school kids bonus which is just about to o out again for the second round. Low income earners, and people who have children and grand kids that fall into this category will to start to engage with politics. Low income earners will be the biggest losers if the Coalition wins. The techy people want to see FTTH rolled out. The disability insurance scheme needs a Labor government to see it become reality, I wouldn't trust it with Abbott. I wouldn't believe the hype about Queensland being a wipeout, Newman is well on the nose up here. He has managed to bring this state to a very slow crawl because you can't take 14,000 peoples jobs away without that affecting everyone, from services to businesses. I was speaking to a coffee shop owner in Bris, he has gone from selling 35kg of coffee beans a week to 22kg. Says a lot doesn't it?

cornlegend

7/06/2013SICK "do try a little harder to earn you place among the serious bloggers here, and if you can't, please give TPS a miss." your words. Bye Bye

nasking

7/06/2013 [b]Sorry Nasking but this is what is happening to us.[/b] DOUG, DON'T COUNT ON IT. WHY DON'T YOU STOP BEING A MISERABLE SAD SACK AND TRY AND HELP US WIN THIS ELECTION? YOU ARE WAVING THE WHITE FLAG. NOT ME, NOR MANY OTHERS...NO WAY...NOT ON YER LIFE. :D [b]I wouldn't believe the hype about Queensland being a wipeout, Newman is well on the nose up here. He has managed to bring this state to a very slow crawl because you can't take 14,000 peoples jobs away without that affecting everyone, from services to businesses. I was speaking to a coffee shop owner in Bris, he has gone from selling 35kg of coffee beans a week to 22kg. Says a lot doesn't it?[/b] LUCY, I AGREE. AT THAT PARTY HERE IN STH EAST QLD I DID NOT MEET ONE PERSON WHO LIKED ABBOTT...THEY HATE THE GST...AND THEY WANT LABOR TO GIVE THEIR ALL. PLENTY LIKE THE IDEA OF NBN...SOME HAVE SOLAR PANELS. THEY DON'T WANT THEIR PENALTY RATES AND SICK PAY SCREWED WITH...THEY ARE SUSPICIOUS OF 457 VISAS... AND MOST TOLD ME THEY CAN'T STAND THE NEWMAN GOVT...TWO GOT REALLY ANGRY WITH THEMSELVES FOR VOTING FOR HIM. GLAD I DIDN'T. POOR ANNA BLIGH...HEARD SHE HAS HAD LYMPH TUMOURS. SHE DESERVES BETTER. WE WISH HER A QUICK AND FULL RECOVERY. N'

nasking

7/06/2013 ABBOTT TEAM MIGHT HAVE SCREWED UP AGAIN: [b]Serious doubts have arisen over claims that an asylum seeker at the centre of a political furore over immigration security was convicted of murder and the possession of explosives, Guardian Australia has learned.[/b] Sayed Abdellatif, an Egyptian asylum seeker who arrived in Australia in May 2012, has been labelled a "convicted jihadist terrorist" by the opposition leader, Tony Abbott, and in numerous media reports. Last Thursday Australian federal police deputy commissioner Peter Drennan told a Senate estimates committee that Abdellatif had been convicted of premeditated murder and possession of explosives... But court documents seen by Guardian Australia, which appear to detail the convictions used to issue Interpol's red notice, make no record of a murder case or of any possession of explosives. The Egyptian Organisation for Human Rights (EOHR), an independent human rights body in Cairo, has verified the documents. Abdellatif's actual convictions, of being party to a criminal agreement and being a member of an illegal extremist group – under the rule of Hosni Mubarak in Egypt – were part of the "returnees from Albania" trial in Cairo in 1999, heavily criticised by Amnesty International at the time for using evidence allegedly obtained under torture. Speaking to Guardian Australia, Abdellatif's Cairo lawyer, Muntassir al-Zayyat, said that his client was not accused or convicted of murder or bomb charges at the 1999 trial. Asked if Abdellatif had ever been accused or convicted of these offences Zayyat, who was speaking from Kuwait, said: "Not at all. The accusations were only joining a secret organisation and being party to a criminal agreement to topple the regime [of Mubarak, who was later overthrown in the 2011 Egyptian uprising]. There was no killing mentioned at all." Zayyat's office were unaware of any other charges against Abdellatif. A second lawyer, Majdi Salem, who also worked on the case, said that the 1999 charges against Abdellatif had been misreported. He told Guardian Australia: "There were no bomb-making charges. This detail emerged because at the time of the case, the local media often took their information from the Egyptian security services, and the sources were intentionally orienting the details to suit their own interests." The developments follow comments from the foreign minister, Bob Carr, that the judicial system under Mubarak should be treated with "suspicion". He added that he would be "interested in further information that throws light on the nature of the prosecution". "Certainly the judicial system that President Morsi's government has inherited from the Mubarak regime has got to be treated with a great deal of caution, even suspicion," he said. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/07/conviction-egyptian-asylum-seeker [b]I HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN AN ABBOTT-LED COALITION THAT VILIFIES INDIVIDUALS BEFORE THEY KNOW THE PROPER DETAILS... THEY HAVE A HISTORY OF DOING THIS...IN THEIR DESPERATION TO MAKE POLITICAL POINTS. [/b] THINK DR. [b]HANEEF[/b]. N'

cornlegend

7/06/2013SICK, you are really a totally brain dead fool. The Prime Minister did not say it. Which part can't you understand. DOH Not "alleged Prime Minister" Julia is Prime Minister. And your words SICK ""do try a little harder to earn you place among the serious bloggers here, and if you can't, please give TPS a miss." Doh Doh Doh !1 Give up you fool, you're embarrassing yourself

nasking

7/06/2013 MEMORIES: Cancellation of visa by government [edit] [b]Immigration Minister Kevin Andrews announced that Haneef's visa has been cancelled immediately on "character grounds" and, if released on bail, he will be taken into immigration detention.[/b] [b]Mr Andrews said that the Australian Federal Police will issue a "criminal justice certificate", the effect of which is that Haneef will remain in immigration detention while legal proceedings are afoot. [/b] [b]Mr Andrews said he had revoked Haneef's 457 temporary skills visa on character grounds, because he "reasonably suspected" that Haneef had an association with people involved in terrorism. [/b] He further said "I'm satisfied the cancellation is in the national interest. I have a responsibility and a duty as minister under the Act to turn my mind to the question of whether Haneef passes the character test." This decision was criticised by the head of the Australian Bar Association, Stephen Estcourt who said "He can’t do that" Calls for a formal apology The then [b]premier of Queensland, Peter Beattie, on 30 July, said that Haneef had been treated "appallingly".[/b] "[b]Kevin Andrews should be the subject of an inquiry, and the handling of the whole issue should be subject to a total reassessment," Mr Beattie said.[/b] Mr Beattie said if any inquiry went ahead and found there was nothing to hold against Haneef, he should be given a formal apology. [b]You do not put someone in detention for this period of time then not pursue the matter against him in the courts without some sort of ... acknowledgement that a mistake was made, That's the least that we could do.[/b] [b]Evidence of John Howard's involvement [/b] [b]During the 2008 inquiry into the Haneef affair, documents have revealed that former Prime Minister John Howard became involved in the case within 48 hours of Haneef's arrest. Lawyers in the case have suggested that the early involvement of the Prime Minister mean that John Howard colluded with Immigration Minister Kevin Andrews to politicise the issue. John Howard has maintained that he had no involvement with the handling of the Haneef case.[/b] [b]The Clarke Inquiry and Report [/b] The report was presented to the government on 21 November 2008, and to the public about 23 December 2008. (The government said it had delayed the release due to concerns it could impact trials in the United Kingdom.) The government has responded. [b]The report concludes: The evidence against Mohamed Haneef was "completely deficient". ASIO reported to the government two days after Haneef's arrest that there was no information that he was guilty of anything;[/b] Commander Ramzi Jabbour, manager, counter-terrorism (domestic), had lost objectivity and was "unable to see that the evidence he regarded as highly incriminating in fact amounted to very little"; and Police officers Neil Thompson and Adam Simms, who interrogated Haneef, refused to charge him, so Jabbour did so himself. [b]Then AFP commissioner Mick Keelty is barely mentioned in the report.[/b] [b]In December 2010, Haneef returned to Australia to seek damages for loss of income, interruption of his professional work, and emotional distress. He was awarded compensation from the Australian government. The amount of compensation awarded was not disclosed, but was described by sources as "substantial".[/b] WIKIPEDIA HMMM... IT'S IN THE COALITION'S DNA. N'

cornlegend

7/06/2013SICK, I understand now why people leave you to have a conversation with yourself. Your words "do try a little harder to earn you place among the serious bloggers here, and if you can't, please give TPS a miss." DOH

Doug Evans

7/06/2013NASKING JUST FOUND YOUR COMMENT. SUPPORTING ISRAEL IS NOT THE SAME AS ZIONISM ALTHOUGH THE ISRAELIS LIKE TO PRETEND IT IS. YOU MIGHT LIKE TO CHECK THIS TEXT ON JUST THAT SUBJECT BY RABBI ISROEL DOVIS WEISS http://www.nkusa.org/aboutus/zionism/index.cfm SUPPORTING ISRAEL MIGHT IN REALITY MEAN SUPPORTING A JUST SOLUTION FOR PALESTINE (WHATEVER THAT MAY BE!!)? THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO THE MIDDLE EAST BARNEY I HEAR. ISRAEL WILL GET NO PEACE AND SECURITY UNTIL AGREEMENT IS STRUCK WITH THEIR DISPOSSESSED NEIGHBOURS WHO AFTER ALL HAVE ALWAYS LIVED ON THE LAND THAT SINCE 1947 HAS BEEN CALLED ISRAEL. STRIKING AN AGREEMENT WITH THE PALESTINIANS WILL MEAN CONCESSIONS FROM ISRAEL THAT SINCE THE 1967 WAR HAS OCCUPIED MUCH PALESTINIAN LAND ILLEGALLY - THE OCCUPIED TERRITORIES. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories THE ATTITUDE THAT THE STATE OF ISRAEL CAN DO NO WRONG SO COMMON IN AUSTRALIA AMONGST CONSERVATIVE POLITICIANS FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE HOUSE IS AS MUCH A REFLECTION OF OUR LAP DOG ROLE IN RELATION TO THE UNITED STATES (ISRAELS' GREATEST SUPPORTER AND GUARANTOR) AS ANYTHING ELSE. THIS I SUSPECT IS WHAT RUNDLE IMPLIES WHEN HE USES THE TERM ZIONIST. I HAVE NO COMMENT ON THE BOYCOTT OF ISRAELI GOODS SUPPORTED BY LEE RHIANNON AND A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF GREENS WHO HAVE ARRIVED IN THE PARTY VIA THE SOCIALIST LEFT. TALK TURKEY I LOVE THAT POEM WHERE DID YOU FIND IT.

Doug Evans

7/06/2013SORRY BEFORE ANYONE CORRECTS ME I MEANT TO SAY THAT LEE RHIANNON'S ROOTS ARE IN THE SOCIALIST PARTY OF AUSTRALIA NOT THE SOCIALIST LEFT

Doug Evans

7/06/2013Ken and Lucy Well we won't have to wait long to see. Of course it will tighten as the day approaches. Of course it is good that Rudd is making himself useful (even if we can't quite trust his motives). However The Labor Parliamentarians seem to believe it will be very ugly. They are packing their offices and sacking their staff. Alan Griffin who is on a margin of almost 8% has apparently been telling all and sundry for weeks that he expects to be defeated. Rod Cameron has given up and expects a catastrophe. I am of the school of thought that believes if it looks like a duck waddles and quacks it probably is a duck and almost certainly is not a unicorn. I think there are more than a few believers in unicorns that look like ducks here on TPS.

Ken

7/06/2013Lucy (although I think I preferred Lady in Red!) Yes, many voters are too busy getting on with their lives to devote much attention to politics this far out. I know from my years growing up in the western suburbs of Sydney, too much politics this far from an election just turned people off. It's only in the last two or three weeks that people start paying attention. And there have been a number of surveys over the years that there is a small proportion of voters who do not make up their mind until they are actually in the booth. and Doug As the old saying goes, "a week is a long time in politics" and we still have 14 weeks to go. That's a lot of "long times". Plenty of time for Abbott to stumble. Plenty of time for people to start assessing his policies - FTTN or FTTH, additional education funding (Gronski) or the same old same old. And to those Labor politicians who have given up, that is a sure way to ensure defeat - same as a football team that stops trying three-quarters of the way through a game.

Jason

7/06/2013Sir Ian, I can answer your stupid question Yes she was! So what? Or more to the point what do you plan to do about it? Bait me again remind me of the priest again? Or do you think some people are as shallow as you that they should be ashamed?

bob macalba

7/06/2013Talk Turkey...g'day, i too enjoyed the poem, also 'VENCEREMOS', i believe the very first time i read that cry would have been in one of your posts, i remember at the time it was a very passionate call to arms which you ended with the cry 'VENCEREMOS'..of course i had to look it up and loved it, hello LiR....hope all is going well 'VENCEREMOS'

Jason

7/06/2013Sir Ian You make it sound as though it's something to be ashamed about! Who are you to judge what people do anyway? In most states it's as legal as what ever the job is that you do!

cornlegend

7/06/2013Jason Direct, to the point, I like it. January 15. 2011 07:25 AM If you can’t do better than that in quoting what ‘some people say’, don’t waste our time here. ... do try a little harder to earn you place among the serious bloggers here, and if you can't, please give TPS a miss. Sir Ian Crisp Sick, are you gonna live up to this statement you made ?

Jason

7/06/2013cornlegend Sir Ian is a fool! Now you know why I want to punch the silly old boy out.

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7/06/2013Folks Don't expect to get anywhere with Sir Ian. I would prefer you ignore his inanities completely. The more you respond to him the more persistent he becomes. He contaminates the blog with worthless comments. He has nothing of use to offer. We have better things to discuss here that his silliness.

Doug Evans

7/06/2013Ken I should know better but I can't help myself. 13 'long times in politics' to go. Then we'll see. About a year ago I wrote this piece on how I saw what was happening politically in the land of Oz for Independent Australia.http://www.independentaustralia.net/2012/politics/australia-approaches-the-abbott-abyss/ As far as I can see the situation has slightly worsened and I certainly have seen no reason to modify my position. After September 14 if I see strange duck-like unicorns trotting through my suburb I'll gladly proclaim their presence. Until then though (failing some sort of miraculous epoch changing event) I haven't really any more to say about the coming Federal election.

lyn

8/06/2013Today’s Links The Fraudband body language of Abbott and Turnbull by @independentaus Coughing is used as an excuse to cover ones mouth or to cover a lie. When Abbott flattered Turnbull as being an internet pioneer he coughed and covered his mouth. He did the same upon saying “We are confident 25 megs is going to be more than enough for an average household.” He again coughed and covered his mouth when he talked about the broadband speeds available http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/the-awkward-body-language-of-abbott-and-turnbull/ Fun and Games ByMichaela McGuire She launched into Pyne for citing an anonymous source in a newspaper clipping as the basis for his question; soon she’d be asked questions based on the ramblings of “kooks and cranks on the internet.” The opposition’s foreign policy, she went on to argue, is “driven by slogan and spin” – before being cut off by Tony Abbott’s peals of laughter. http://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/michaela-mcguire/2013/06/07/1370588629/fun-and-games Garnaut on after the mining boom by Gary Sauer-Thompson Garnaut is pessimistic given that the political culture is now one in which policy change in the public interest has become more difficult over time as interest groups have become increasingly active and sophisticated in bringing financial weight to account in influencing policy decisions http://www.sauer-thompson.com/archives/opinion/2013/06/garnaut-on-afte.php The Lying Pyne by @MigloMT The point is, he lied on the 7:30 Report and by 8:00 all was forgiven and forgotten. Where is the outrage? This was a lie on national television and he knew he was telling a lie. He knows he can lie through his teeth and get away with it. Well I’m sick of him getting away with http://theaimn.com/2013/06/07/the-lying-pyne/ ALP to Rupert Murdoch: We are not frightened of you and we will not surrender by @turnleft2013 @MigloMT Everyone knows you twist the political agenda to suit your business agenda and in so doing you crush and corrupt our democracy. We are not frightened of you and we will not surrender to your massive media power encapsulated in your tweet. http://theaimn.com/2013/06/07/alp-to-rupert-murdoch-we-are-not-frightened-of-you-and-we-will-not-surrender/ Tony Abbott Pollie Pedal expenses. by @phonytonyabbott Like most politicians, Tony Abbott is also able to claim significant expenses that are paid for by the taxpayers of Australia. What surprised me, however, is that Tony Abbott continues to claim expenses for his "charity" work, such as the Pollie Pedal. http://www.phonytonyabbott.com/blog/tony-abbott-pollie-pedal-expenses Action Stations Julia Gillard Day by @FairMediaAllian Today we’re opening up a new thread. In the next few days there will also be a ‘March against Murdoch’ Thread. And pages will be opened for whatever else you would like to pursue. (Within reason, of course.) http://fairmediaalliance.wordpress.com/2013/06/07/action-stations-julia-gillard-day/ Transition of economy tricky but not all gloom by @1RossGittins it's wrong to imagine the boom's about to leave us high and dry. Mining production and exports have a lot further to grow in coming years. Even the fall in imports (which constitutes a reduction in their negative contribution to growth) is linked to the boom: reduced investment in new mines means reduced imports of capital equipment http://www.therural.com.au/story/1558617/transition-of-economy-tricky-but-not-all-gloom/?cs=9 National security bidding war and the quest for votes by @Jeff_Sparrow Of course, the Coalition's Scott Morrison regularly promises ever more byzantine cruelties to be inflicted on refugees. They will be forced to work, he says - but they won't be paid the normal rate. http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4737220.html Fixing and Fiddleing on 457’s by Peter Mares The most contentious component of the minister’s package is the move to reintroduce labour market testing. This would require most employers to provide evidence that they have made a serious effort to recruit local staff before they can nominate a position to be filled by a migrant worker on a 457 visa. http://inside.org.au/fixing-and-fiddling-on-457s/ Silhouettes against the storm as Labor faces catastrophe by @BernardKeane “The Leader of the Opposition is laughing now. Here is his big attack on national security—’Oh, it’s so hard hitting!’ He’s such a serious man! He’s prime ministerial material! And in the middle of a question time on national security he is laughing. http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/06/07/silhouettes-against-the-storm-as-labor-faces-catastrophe/?wpmp_switcher=mobile Safe From Harm by @madwixxy This also comes after news of a secret society of Liberal MP’s that have been meeting to discuss policy and the “lawmaking business”. These gatherings of the group hilariously titled the “Chartwell Society” as if it’s a Klan, Masons group, or wife swapping club, meet regularly with religious leaders, as well as business leaders http://wixxyleaks.com/2013/06/07/safe-from-harm/ It’s Like Talking to a Drunk by aleana @EmpoweringFem Julia Gillard. Julia Gillard is strong and tough. Abbutt is weak and pathetic. ONLY a brainwashed populous would find this man equitable and represent the good of the country. This man if he wins the next election will be an imposter. http://alternativeviewstomsm.wordpress.com/2013/06/07/its-like-talking-to-a-drunk/ How Australian Coal is Causing Global Damage by Bill McKibben it’s very important that Australia has put a price on carbon, and very important that this measure not be overturned as a result of the next election. It’s a modest start that has had good effects in opening up the debate around the world http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2013/june/1370181600/bill-mckibben/how-australian-coal-causing-global-damage Today’s Front Pages Australian Newspaper Front Pages for 8 June 2013 http://www.thepaperboy.com/australia/front-pages.cfm News headlines http://www.hotheadlines.com.au/

Austin 3:16

8/06/2013Hey Catching Up, If Rudd does nothing he'll be criticised for not using his profile to help during the campaign. If he does something he gets criticised for undermining Gillard. And let's face it if Gillard was up to the job Rudd would be irrelevant.

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8/06/2013LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/LYNS-DAILY-LINKS.aspx

jaycee

8/06/2013Trouble is Austin..the sort of person YOU would consider "up to the job" would be the type of bastard would very swiftly put the likes of yourself "in the ground"!

lyn

8/06/2013Good Morning Ad, If you have time please read How Australian Coal is Causing Global Damage by Bill McKibben in "Today's Links". I think the article is one of the best on Global damage I have ever read. Long but worth the time. Tell me what you think, that is of course if you have time to read the lengthy article. Doug Evans and all our readers will probably enjoy the article. :):):):):)

Doug Evans

8/06/2013Ken I did have a little more to say about the coming election after all. A difficulty that many progressive folk who write for and comment on politics on the internet is they assume people make rational choices about where to place their vote. Most of the 10 or 15% of voters who decide whether its the blokes with the red or the blue ties (no sexism intended) who get to sit on the the government benches have no interest in policy beyond who's promising what for them, and I'm talking about cash handouts. I'll call them the 'people'. The 'people' get their information on that from the headlines on the front pages of the Murdoch Press as they leaf through on their way to the Sports section. They make their decision on where to place their vote primarily on their opinion of the personality of the party leaders and this is formed by the same method. The 'people' like Abbott because the 6 o'clock news shows him going swimming in his budgie smugglers, riding bikes for charity and doing his bit with the local bush fire brigade. He is regularly seen chatting animatedly to his fellow cyclists and the members of his life saving club. To them he looks like a bloke one would be comfortable with at the backyard barbecue. They like him because his political message is delivered in one or two short sentences that he repeats endlessly and that they can comprehend before their attention wanders back to what's for dinner, what the kids are up to or how well the footy team will do on Saturday. They like him because when experts contradict his crap he disagrees with them and moves on. This passes for strong and decisive. I dare say many of them like him because he is married with two good looking daughters - they look like such a 'good' family don't they - and because he is a man. Very re-assuring that. To them he looks like a leader, someone who will steer the ship and not irritate them by constantly dragging their attention back to the boring irrelevant business of politics. The more the Gillard government bangs on about their superior policies the more irritated the 'people' become with them. They don't want to be distracted by that crap. The government plainly believes or hopes that when the election is close and decisions have to be made the 'people' will acknowledge their achievements in government, compare the policy offerings of the parties and make a rational choice. They won't, they never do. Achievements? The 'people' are no better off than they were before. After decades on an economic upswing the 'people' expect governments to deliver improvements in their material standard of living and access to services and they better not ask for more tax money. The extent to which Abbott understands all this or whether it is completely a product of brilliant marketing is irrelevant. The point is that his side of politics has understood the realities of political communication with the core part of the Australian electorate - the minority which decides the winners - Labor has not. To me this state of affairs is at least partly a function of the emphasis modern politics places on the role and personality of the party leaders. The 'PM-as-president' effect. This is fine so long as the 'people' think the leader is up to it. It becomes a disaster when they decide he/she is not. Now if you find all this profoundly depressing well so do I but that is no justification for emigrating to cloud cuckoo land. I'm looking for a unicorn Ken, I really am but all I see is ducks.

Austin 3:16

8/06/2013Hey Doug, Apart from Labor MPs packing their offices there have also been a few comments from the Greens of late as to what they expect from and Abbott government. From those who conduct the polls to those who read the tea-leaves the proportion expecting a gillard win seems to be steadily shrinking

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8/06/2013Hi Lyn I’ve got a busy day ahead so I’ll take in your links piecemeal. I’ve already taken a look at the [i]IA[/i] piece on the analysis of the body language of Abbott and Turnbull during the ‘Fraudband’ announcement. It’s well worth a look as it’s very revealing: http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/the-awkward-body-language-of-abbott-and-turnbull/ So far I’ve got down to Ross Gittins, always a good read. As usual, your links make informative reading. I’ll be back later today.

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8/06/2013Hi Lyn Just saw your comment at 8.58 AM. I have to go out now but will relish reading Bill McKibben's piece when I return. He was very impressive on Q&A.

Doug Evans

8/06/2013Hi Lyn Yes McKibben speaks the truth. I copped an email invite to dinner and drinks with him via Quit Coal while he is here but as I've withdrawn as you know from all activism including the blog I felt it would be a bit fraudulent to attend. Thanks for the tip off to his article.

bob macalba

8/06/2013jaycee...im starting to wonder if austin might be k rudd himself, he seems to get all giggles and excited when his name pops up anywhere..also being a white ant and all he fits the profile

MWS

8/06/2013The Labor MPs who have been "cleaning out their offices" are Rudd supporters. As is Senator Cameron and Joel Fitzgibbon. They are continuing to destabilise the Labor party from within. They are not fit to be parliamentarians.

Tom of Melbourne

8/06/2013[i] “They are not fit to be parliamentarians.”[/i] So given that this group represents a significant proportion of the caucus- • How does this make the ALP a fit party for government? • If Gillard can’t command the loyalty of a significant group of her own party, why should the rest of the electorate support her? • If the ALP is so deeply divided, why do they deserve another term? [b]“If you can’t govern yourselves, you can’t govern the country”

Jason

8/06/2013Tom, " If Gillard can’t command the loyalty of a significant group of her own party, why should the rest of the electorate support her?" Who cares what you think? You don't vote anyway!

Austin 3:16

8/06/2013Hey Bob, Nope I'm just not an idiot and would prefer a different path to the one which will see PM Abbott in a few months. I realise that this kinda puts me as the odd one out here on the TPS.

bob macalba

8/06/2013'with a k rudd here and a k rudd there, here a krudd there a krudd, everywhere a krudd krudd'......man get over it one for Kev and Austin http://www.wat.tv/video/supertramp-dreamer-3o81l_2wg0h_.html cheers

MWS

8/06/2013Tony Wright today confirmed that the destabilisation of Labor is carried out by the Rudd backers, who would rather destroy the Labor party than have Julia Gillard as Prime Minister: http://www.smh.com.au/national/rudd-backers-frolic-as-pm-loses-her-grip-20130607-2nviv.html Rudd really is "Howard-lite." John Howard used an identical playbook in the 1980's and 1990's to undermine every leader of the Liberal/National Opposition until he was left as the "last man standing" to take over the leadership (again). The far-right in the LNP also destabilised every moderate leader (Brendan Nelson, Malcolm Turnbull) until they got "their man" as leader. How Eric Abetz avoided the fallout of the Godwin Grech affair beats me - he was the primary instigator, but left the whole mess dumped in Turnbull's lap when it blew up. All Labor parliamentary members should give their full loyalty to their leader, and support Labor principles. That many of them can't do this reflects on them, not their leader. And TOM, your quote: [quote]"If Gillard can’t command the loyalty of a significant group of her own party, why should the rest of the electorate support her?"[/quote] is rubbish. No leader of any party in the history of the world has had unanimous support from everybody. Your argument suggests that we should never do anything, anytime. And Abbott was initially elected by a majority of one - so according to you he should have immediately resigned?

Austin 3:16

8/06/2013Hey MWS, Gillard has been PM for what 3 years or so now. You're saying her problems are all down to one back-bencher. IF you believe that I got a great bridge to sell ya. OH and for Bob (and everybody else who would rather have Abbot as pm than Rudd) - something a little more contemporary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgSPaXgAdzE

Laurie Keet

8/06/2013Clear choice really, vote for a Gillard Government and you get a parliament of the people,for the people and by the people.Vote for Abbott and you get a parliament of big business,for big business and by big business. Abbott: he is not up to it, and in your guts you know he's nuts.

Algernon

8/06/2013I saw in todays SMH yet another person has come out and spoken about Abbotts violence. This person took civil action against him so what did he do. Bought a bevy of lawyers and his perjuring goon squad along to support him, case collapses. Same with his sexual assault charge. He was violent and abusive then, he's no different now, the leopard doesn't change its spots. Rudd was correct earlier in the week the lie that is "stop the boats" is just that a lie. The Indonesians have made their feelings quite plain on this, they will not accept Australia turning the boats around. Abbotts with his spokesman risk the Indonesians losing face here. Then again that comment appeals to the base redneck moron that Abbott courts. TOM can you point me to a policy of the Liberals that actually will work and is properly costed?? Just one will do.

Lucy

8/06/2013Hi everyone, I was out at Pomona Markets this morning working hard to win the seat of Wide Bay. Very positive reception. People were happy to see me and meet me. Only one nasty person. My experience so far has been that people want to see their Labor candidate out there talking to people and showing a positive face. My team today were great, engaging with people and explaining policy. I don't plan to give up and I probably have one of the toughest gigs taking on Warren Truss. I'm not naïve I know its a tough call but I plan to give it my all, and most of those MP's who supposedly are cleaning out there offices would really have something to cry about if they saw my budget and limited amount of ground support.

Sir Ian Crisp

8/06/2013[quote][b]Sir Ian, I can answer your stupid question Yes she was! So what? Or more to the point what do you plan to do about it? Bait me again remind me of the priest again? Or do you think some people are as shallow as you that they should be ashamed? Jason [/b][/quote] No JGuy I won't bait you about it unless you start a verbal war with me.

bob macalba

8/06/2013Bit confused Austin..was the song dedicated to myself and others who believe as i do, or how i read it because of the lyrics 'im' a loser baby blah blah blah that you might be referring to yourself?... if the latter then i totally agree, one for all the white ants out there http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8Tiz6INF7I

Catching up

8/06/2013Not sure that the alleged 30 is an significant number, The other of 10 that is floating around, seems more realistic. Yes, I do believe what we are seeing this week could be the last desperate hurrah of Abbott and the media. After all, they have much to lose. Have been making dire predictions, for over three years, without one success. The biggest loss for them all, is the fact, the PM is still standing. Only a fool would believe she is about to fall. Yes, it is the Gillard government, that Rudd is out there praising. Rudd might just be able to raise fear in his followers, that Abbott is indeed much worse, that Gillard. That will be enough.

Austin 3:16

8/06/2013Hey Bob, You're really that dumb that you can't work it out. Why am I not surprised.

Doug Evans

8/06/2013Now here's a must read piece for TPS folk. As usual Sandi Keane is right on the money. http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/labor-lnp-now-just-political-cartels/#commentspost

Catching up

8/06/2013One wonders, what labeling a man, a terrorist really means, by itself. We have back in hospital today, a man, who is now seen as a hero. I still remember the 27 years, I think it was, when the same man in jail and seen as a violent and a terrorist. One needs all the facts, before making judgment. Interpol always warns when issuing Red Notices, that one is innocence, until proven guilty. I would say that is true, even when convicted in absentia. I believe, even when A country seeks extradition, they have t prove their case. In this case, it appears that cannot occur, as we have no treaty with Egypt. Even so, I have seen no where that they have asked for the man to be returned. Be surprised if we hear much more of this story. Has filled it role for the Opposition as political fodder, to harm the PM. Looking forwarded to the final eight days of sittings. Should be interesting, watching Abbott and Co, over reaching.

bob macalba

8/06/2013im not the one that posted the song Austin, read your own post, then the song, then the lyrics,....now answer my question please, nowhere does it say 'your' a loser it goes 'im' a loser, so why wouldnt i think you meant yourself.....dumbarse

Tom of Melbourne

8/06/2013Algernon – [i]TOM can you point me to a policy of the Liberals that actually will work and is properly costed??[/i] As Jason will advise, I don’t vote Liberal, and I feel no obligation to defend their policies. So perhaps you will point out the reason to vote for this government when- • It has a corrupted structure and preselection process • Gillard cannot command the support of the most experienced and talented members of her own caucus • Even ALP supporters cannot stand a significant number of the people they intend to support • Gillard has a history of dishonesty

Tom of Melbourne

8/06/2013[i]” I do believe what we are seeing this week could be the last desperate hurrah of Abbott and the media. After all, they have much to lose.[/i] Typically ridiculous. Abbott & co have much to lose? I don’t suppose the likely loss of government means much to the ALP? Is there any indication that the ALP are likely to gain 7,000 votes each and every day between now and 14 September? They need to pick up about 700,000 votes to stay where they are, in minority government.

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8/06/2013Hi Lyn I've now finished the Bill McKibben article; it is essential reading, especially for politicians: http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2013/june/1370181600/bill-mckibben/how-australian-coal-causing-global-damage Laurie Keet I agree! Lucy How nice that people were so receptive to you, and that you encountered just one nasty person. If we were to believe [i]Newspoll[/i] many more than half the people out there are adversarial.

Catching up

8/06/2013There is one thing, I can always count on, is getting Tom to bite. Never fails. Algernon, do not expect an answer from Tom. Only up to criticizing, especially if one mentions unions. Women politicians and PM's come a close second.

Catching up

8/06/2013" Gillard cannot command the support of the most experienced and talented members of her own caucus" Not so sure that those who have moved to the back bench would be sadly missed. Saying that I am sorry to see Cream go with the mob.He is a man, I have had respect for.

Tom of Melbourne

8/06/2013That’s interesting Catching Up, you’re admitting you’re trolling.

42 long

8/06/2013If Tom removed all posts that deride the site and the views of all that ride in her. He would be a very very quiet person. It must be sheer hell for him to bother to come here, since everything is SO unsatisfactory. Enjoying self-harm must be the condition. That must have a name, but I hope it is not contagious. It must be painful, because I just can't recall anyone agreeing with him. That is a pretty low score. Surely he has a friend SOMEWHERE.

Ken

8/06/2013 Doug (@ 9:54) (to others, apologies for what is almost a blog in itself) I grew up in the western suburbs of Sydney and although it has changed since I left, the underpinnings still remain. People do make rational decisions – you just have to find the ratonale. I worked in Aboriginal affairs for 30 years and had to remind people, particularly economists who use that principle of “rational decisions”, that they were dealing with a people whose rational decisions were based on a different set of underlying beliefs and assumptions. As I have said in previous threads, I learned much of my politics in the pubs of western Sydney. It is not just about the “hip pocket nerve”. People are concerned for the future of their children, for their values, but particularly for the here and now. While richer people can plan for the future, the poor and working class have enough trouble planning (financially) for tomorrow, and partly because of this, they like certainty – the classic conservatism of the blue collar voter. As Nasking and I briefly discussed in a pervious thread, since the “baby boomers” Australian generations have not faced serious hardship (e.g. the Depression, WWII) and the “working class” have become “aspirational” but now in material things, whereas my parents generation saw education as the key to break out of the cycle of hardship. Now people in the “west” want their MacMansion and can blame the government if they don’t get it. (Banks have also assisted in creating this but that is another essay in itself.) But place this in context, and it is just a new expression of the old idea that one’s children should be better off than you. Refugees and migrants are an issue in the “west” but this is not necessarily racism: it is a result of the day to day reality of living with different values. As my late father-in-law used to say of a Turkish family living a couple of doors away, “can’t stand their music, but they’re good people”. Before I left, there were instances when the garbos stopped collecting in certain areas because new migrants were slaughtering goats in their units and throwing the offal in the garbage bins – eventually goat meat became available in local shops. At Silverwater people have a mosque dominating the landscape which reminds them daily there is a different set of values operating around them. The shootings and drive-by shootings taking place in the west involve a number of migrant families (the NSW Police have a Middle Eastern criminal gangs squad). There is also a bikie war going on and one contributing factor is that a local chapter of one of the bikie gangs is now dominated by Lebanese. Politicians usually don’t refer to these issues for fear of being accused of being racist, but people out ‘west” live with it every day. People can and do draw a line between those involved in criminal activity and “good people” and, of course, the migrants themselves don’t like what is happening – it is also in their streets that the shootings are taking place. This is not new – go back to when the Vietnamese congregated at Cabramatta. That eventually settled down as both sides made concessions to fit in, but it can take a generation or two. Of course, the Islamic jihads across the world, only add to a sense of uncertainty and distrust of the Islamic values. I don’t believe that most would invite Abbott to their barbecue – they can see through a “poser”. But he is pretending not to offer major change and that is what is superficially attractive. Labor, reforming governments, always face this dilemma: reforming for a better future but upsetting the “certainty principle” in the process. They need to emphasise the other concern of the “west”, a better future for their children (which is also important for the migrant vote) and also to press the point that Abbott [u]will[/u] make significant changes. Climate change is probably not a major issue because it is too far in the future but a good education for the children, foreseeable opportunities for them to get jobs, and the opportunity for the children to have more opportunities, and a better house, than their parents. They are key issues. that apply to all “westies” whether Anglo-Celtic, the former “wogs” or the new migrants.

nasking

8/06/2013 Well said KEN. N'

lyn

8/06/2013Hi Ad, Thankyou re post @ 05:56 PM, thankyou to you too Doug @ 11.24am. Lucy, thankyou for letting us know how you are going, thrilled to bits to hear all is positive for you :)

austin 3:16

8/06/2013Hey bob, Sorry i don't think i can dumb things down to your level

Doug Evans

8/06/2013Ken You sound a decent person (delusional but decent). I don't have any desire to quarrel with you. Let's wait and see. Won't be long now.

nasking

8/06/2013 THIS IS MY REARRANGEMENT OF LOUIS NOWRA'S 2010 ARTICLE IN THE MONTHLY, THE WHIRLING DERVISH...QUITE REVEALING OF TONY ABBOTT...POSSIBLE PM IN SEPT... REMEMBER, OUR MSM SELECT FROM OLD FOOTAGE AND THE DAY'S EVENTS IN A SIMILAR WAY...CREATING THE MESSAGE THEY WANT: [b]Throughout his life, Abbott has needed the Church and its teachings, sometimes to a desperate degree, because he realises that without it he would be morally and even psychologically lost. He knows he has personal demons to quell... It became clear that Santamaria had been a crucial mentor for Abbott, ever since the early 1970s. [/b] As Michael Duffy remarks in his 2004 dual biography of Mark Latham and Tony Abbott, Santamaria’s effect on the latter was “immediate and profound”. A Catholic intellectual, Santamaria created an organisation known as ‘the Movement’. Using the idea of communist cadres, he had his followers infiltrate the unions to counteract their leftish ideology and to stop the spread of communism. He was president of the organisation from 1943 until 1957, when the Movement evolved into the National Civic Council. [b]Even more insidious was his part in helping keep the Labor Party out of office throughout the 1950s and 1960s. He was a major influence in the formation of the Democratic Labor Party (DLP) – a breakaway group of the ALP. He hoped to siphon the Catholics from the ALP into the DLP, and attract the anti-communist vote... There are people, like Abbott, who believe that Santamaria’s crusade against communism was a success.[/b] [b]His major weapon was to create a climate of fear; he was constantly hectoring people with the idea that communists in Australia were buying up arsenals and guns in preparation for the revolution. Another tactic was to prophesy the end of civilisation as we know it. [/b] He likened Australia to the fifth century when the Roman Empire collapsed, and he viewed the Vietnam War as a crusade. Yet despite his anti-communism, he disliked capitalism, especially in its guise of economic rationalism. Santamaria’s ideal epoch was the Middle Ages and, as such, he wanted to turn us into a nation of farmers and cottage industries, with women permanently barefoot and pregnant. He vigorously opposed abortion and birth control. [b]He blamed the Bloomsbury Set (Virginia Woolf and the like) for contemporary sexual decadence and the undermining of family values. As he became increasingly sidelined politically, his view of the world shrank to a hermetic and clammy chamber of religious and political certainties. [/b] Near the end of his 60-year career, [b]he had doubts about liberal democracy, and in his wish to return to traditional Catholic values there was a touch of the theocratic Taliban about him.[/b] [b]One of the reasons Santamaria was so loathed by many Catholics was that, by politicising religion, families were often riven apart. With the formation of the DLP came intimidation: if you stayed a supporter of the ALP then you were not a true Catholic. [/b] [b]What disturbed many Catholics was that the priests would order their congregations to vote DLP. [/b] (I remember my mother returning from Mass one morning furious with the priest for telling the St Mark’s congregation to vote for the DLP.) Santamaria also confirmed all the suspicions the rest of Australia had about Catholics – that they were secretive and merely paid lip service to the idea of the separation of Church and State... ABBOTT AT SYDNEY UNI: In his [b]second year at university, he had a girlfriend,[/b] whom he loved – and yet their relationship was an on-again, off-again affair because Abbott was strongly drawn towards the idea of becoming a priest. [b]When she fell pregnant, Abbott knew he was too immature to help raise the baby, and it was adopted... As far as he was concerned it was more than a young man’s mistake. He had sinned, and he did not marry the mother of his child, which was an abject dereliction of moral duty. [/b] [b]As for his dream of entering the priesthood – at this time he felt he wasn’t morally strong enough and was spiritually unworthy. OXFORD: His escape clause was when, through the influence of Father Costello, he won a Rhodes Scholarship to Oxford University.[/b] He arrived in a state of great excitement. [b]Oxford, for Abbott, was the ultimate university. It was a bastion of tradition, educational achievement and the embodiment of all that was good about England. [/b] As he has often said, [b]he is an “incorrigible Anglophile[/b]”. He flourished there, studying philosophy and politics, and immersing himself in the works of eighteenth-century [b]conservative philosopher Edmund Burke[/b]... While at Oxford, [b]Abbott found another mentor in an American trainee Jesuit priest, Paul Mankowski, whom he calls the finest man he has ever met. [/b] Deeply religious and keeping to a vow of poverty, [b]Mankowski wore the clothes of dead priests. [/b] [b]He was intelligent and a boxer[/b]. He fully endorsed the idea that “[b]a healthy body means a healthy mind”, which was not so much a strand of Irish Catholicism but its English and American forms. [/b] The notion of “[b]muscular Christianity” was especially important for Catholics, who emphasised sexual chastity before marriage and celibacy in priests. [/b] [b]Physical activity was a way of finding a physical outlet for sexual frustration...[/b] [b]SOME THINK ABBOTT'S CYCLING IS SELF-FLAGELLATION RETURNING TO AUSTRALIA: “No sense of humility at all. He just preened about his achievements.” [/b] No doubt one of the reasons for this was to [b]show off his Oxford Blue to the sports masters[/b] who had rejected him. [b]This inability to be humble is a debilitating feature of his personality[/b], as he frequently acknowledges. ABBOTT AT THE SEMINARY: Yet instead of finding a form of Catholicism that featured social engagement, poverty and service to the community, he found himself surrounded by a strongly homosexual fraternity. A Catholic friend of mine who mixed with the St Patrick’s priests said, still with surprise in his voice, that they were “[b]the most effeminate men I had ever seen. And this was when the Church unconditionally condemned homosexuality!” [/b] [b]With this indulgent atmosphere came an emphasis on self-absorption. Abbott may have disliked homosexuality,[/b] but [b]he agreed with Santamaria that “introspection is the first step towards insanity”.[/b] GETTING CLOSE TO HOWARD WHILST WORKING FOR HEWSON [b]attracted to John Howard, then shadow minister for industrial relations,[/b] employment and training. Their friendship continued throughout Howard’s time as prime minister, and Abbott continues to look up to him. PELL: But [b]Howard was not very religious, and on spiritual matters Abbott turned to Cardinal Pell. [/b] Like all his mentors, from Santamaria onwards, he hero-worshipped him uncritically. To Abbott, Cardinal Pell is “one of the greatest churchmen that Australia has seen”. Pell is the [b]type of Catholic Abbott likes – someone who excelled at sports, is not introspective and takes a close interest in politics. [/b] Pell is intelligent but no intellectual (like Howard, in this sense), which suits Abbott. Pell’s articles, however, have none of Abbott’s clarity; they are frequently full of platitudes and non sequiturs as he rails against the “aggressive paganism” of contemporary society. [b]Vegetarianism makes him uneasy and he loathes the Greens because they can cause thousands of people to lose their jobs when they set out to save “turtles who breathe through their bottoms”[/b]. As for [b]climate change claims, they are “a symptom of pagan emptiness”.[/b] Pell acts as [b]Abbott’s personal confessor. [/b] But Abbott is very touchy about his close friendship with him, no doubt because Pell pushes hard, like Santamaria did, for Catholic intervention in politics. A few years ago, at a conscience vote overturning a state ban on [b]therapeutic cloning[/b], Pell announced: “Catholic politicians who vote for this legislation must realise that their voting has consequences for their place in the life of the Church.” This was a [b]thinly veiled threat of excommunication, running completely counter to secular values[/b].... He is a [b]divisive man [/b]who was at the centre of a controversy over his maladroit dealings with victims of [b]sexual abuse by priests[/b]. BACK TO ABBOTT: His constant [b]use of ‘mate’ or ‘fair dinkum’ [/b]made him seem more like a trade unionist than the usual Liberal supporter. His drinking, which would result in some minor acts of vandalism, and his ability at sport also seemed at odds with the stereotype of the socially cautious, nerdy young Liberal. He was never one to shy away from a stoush, and stated his opinions wherever he went. He gained a reputation for being a braggart, a blabbermouth and a larrikin. There were even rumours that he had been thrown out of a student house because of his propensity to walk around naked... [b]Between his belfry-bat ears is a coil of such saturnine weirdness that no one, not even his closest friends, would want to unravel it. [/b]This makes him do things he comes to regret... But [b]would Abbott make a good prime minister?[/b] In [b]wartime he would be excellent because then issues are so clear-cut, [/b] but in our present society the tension between his traditional values, formulated by both Catholicism and thinkers like Burke, and society’s insatiable need for change would be a constantly [b]tense balancing act [/b]for him. [b]His great political flaw is like that of his boxing, when he defeated his opponents with his whirling dervish attacks on them. If his opponents had had better defence, they would have avoided his initial attacks, let him become exhausted and then picked him off, slowly and relentlessly. [/b] [b]Abbott places everything on attack and as such leaves himself wide open to dying a death of a thousand cuts. In all likelihood his term as leader will end in either tears or farce.[/b] ...[b]he defines the Liberals as a true conservative party[/b]... THE ORIGINAL ARTICLE: http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2010/january/1347590202/louis-nowra/whirling-dervish INTERESTING EH? ABBOTT AIN'T NO LIBERAL...THAT'S FOR SURE. AND HIS MAJOR MALE MENTORS AND THOSE WHO INFLUENCED...AND ASSISTED HIM...ARE VERY VERY CONSERVATIVE. N'

bob macalba

8/06/2013ouch, your not playing fair, to clever for me

nasking

8/06/2013 [b]A Catholic intellectual, Santamaria created an organisation known as ‘the Movement’. [/b] NOTE: ABBOTT HAS A MANIFESTO CALLED 'BATTLELINES' N'

nasking

8/06/2013 LIKE SANTAMARIA...AND THE MENZIES LOT...ABBOTT HAS BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE AT SPLITTING THE CATHOLIC, RELIGIOUS AND ALP VOTERS...PARTICULARLY THE FAMILY VOTE... WHO DO YOU THINK CAN GET THOSE VOTERS BACK? JULIA GILLARD...OR KEVIN RUDD? REREAD LOUIS NOWRA'S ARTICLE...AND MY VERSION. YOU'LL GET YER ANSWER. SADLY. N'

Algernon

8/06/2013TOM I asked for a Liberal policy not ad homimem diatribe. Where is Gillard's dishonesty, do you honestly believe the daily vomit from Abbott about things like the Carbon Price, yet he peddles this lie with impunity. As for the rest its merely your opinion without basis.

TalkTurkey

9/06/2013(You know about the peeing in shoe incident of course?! Place your bets on who it was.) Here's a quite outstanding limerick someone wrote! ;-) Peta had had quite a few And needed to visit the loo But instead as a flirt She lifted her skirt And proceeded to pee in Tone's shoe!

Catching up

9/06/2013Now the ice maiden. Are they ever going to give up. "Ice queen Gillard must thaw or be carved up by slogans Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/ice-queen-gillard-must-thaw-or-be-carved-up-by-slogans-20130607-2nvld.html#ixzz2VdWldOGq"

Jason

9/06/2013Doug,Ken, I saw this elsewhere by Aguire over at the pub! My understanding of the Greens is that they attract idealists – the kind of people who say they hate ‘politics’ but want to make a difference – but act like political operatives. The practical outcome of this is that they drive their supporters into unrealistic positions – for example, forcing them to claim that doing nothing at all about carbon pollution is a viable short-term measure because we can ‘get it right’ further down the track when the Greens are running things (just about the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard from a ‘progressive’); or that it doesn’t matter how many asylum seekers drown, just as long as none of them are held in detention. Greens arguments are straight out of Kafka. Put your side of the argument and they’ll tell you you’re off-topic. Quote their arguments back to them and they’ll claim you’re putting words in their mouths. Point out where they’re being inconsistent and they’ll say you’re misrepresenting them. Ask for detail and they’ll change the subject. Offer a practical solution and they’ll tell you you’re part of the problem. It’s important to remember in this context that most Greens supporters just dabble in politics, like the majority of supporters of any party. They do it for selfish reasons too. Their main aim is to feel good about their political choice. They have no idea how it plays out in parliament, or whether the party they vote for does the right thing by them. They just listen to the PR statements. It’s one reason why the Greens could never successfully take a major slice out of the ALP. Smart people understand that the function of the Greens is to keep the ALP on the right track, and that demands support for good ALP environmental policy and in general taking the ALP’s side in this area. Criticism of the ALP can only by successful for the Greens on the understanding that the Coalition is worse. But the Greens, currently, push at that restriction far too much, and it’s disaffecting some of their support base. Chasing PV is merely a process of distillation for the Greens. As they pick up more hard-line socialist thinkers, they lose all the soft support. Unless they change their approach, they’ll inevitably end up more militant and less widely popular. You can see the process underway already. http://pbxmastragics.com/2013/06/07/fantastic-friday-762013/comment-page-4/#comments

Doug Evans

9/06/2013Jason Sounds like Aguire made most of it up in the pub and pretty late at night too. Wonder if he knows any Greens. He is not describing the the Party, the thinking or the people I know and believe me I live in Greens central. Fairy tales are comforting but no aid to understanding and you should get better sources. However there is one kernel of truth in this little rant. The Greens occupy a difficult space that complicates choices and strategies and has so far restricted their ability to grow their vote. I trust the long term poll trends as indicated by sensible folk like Poll Bludger. That is why I am confident that Labor will be reduced to around forty Lower House seats in the next parliament. If I am consistent I must also admit that the polls indicate a slight decay rather than growth in the Greens vote since the last election. This is a worry in the senate where Scott Ludlam (a good contributor) and Sara Hanson Young (who I am less convinced by) seem to be at risk. If they fall it will not just be bad for the Greens but terrible for Australia as it will mean that either the Coalition will have a majority in both houses or will have to pass their legislation with the help of that idiot John Madigan from the DLP and his flaky mate Nick Xenophon. If I remember rightly Madigan is there courtesy of Labor preferencing shenannigans just like that fool from Family First the departed but unlamented Steve Fielding. However back to the Lower House. I hope the stagnating Greens vote means that interest has fallen away in the bits of Australia that haven't yet done more than flirt with the Greens and that in the key seats of Melbourne and Batman it will continue to rise as it has for the last several elections. If it does Adam Bandt has a good chance of being returned (good for both Australia and the Greens that) and Alex Bhatal might just get up in Batman next door. If however it doesn't and the slight drift in the Greens vote in the polls is reflected also in Melbourne then Adam will probably miss out and Bhatal has no hope.

Ken

9/06/2013Doug @ 8:58PM Not quarrelling just pointing out that there are different ways of seeing things, different points of view on which rational decisions are based. And one thing I learned in the west is never give up the fight. One has to keep fighting against the rich, fat b's and not let them screw you down. Jason An interesting take on the Greens.

nasking

9/06/2013 60% OF AMERICAN PRISONERS BLACK OR LATINO...THE POLITICS OF RACISM: Houses of the Dead [b]Human Rights Crimes Inside America’s Control Unit Prisons By Nancy Kurshan Why Do We Care About Prisons? [/b] I have been asked by many people why would I choose to do work regard- ing prisons? My answer is simple. In high school and college I was part of the civil rights movement. I picketed Woolworths with CORE, raised money for SNCC workers in the South, heard Dr. King speak in D.C. and Malcolm X in Madison. I see work to abolish control units as a logical continuation of that anti-racist work. Albert Hunt’s article in the NY Times on Nov. 20, 2011 entitled “A Country of Inmates” reported that “With just a little more than 4 percent of the world’s population, the U.S. accounts for a quarter of the planet’s prisoners and has more inmates than the leading 35 European countries combined.” Moreover, this mass imprisonment binge does not affect all sectors of the population equally... Although we concentrated on control units, we did so because we saw them as the capstone of a thoroughly racist prison system: http://freedomarchives.org/Out_of_Control/Articles/Counter.Nancy.pdf [b]AUSTRALIA HEADING DOWN THE CORPORATE AMERICAN ROAD[/b] N'

TalkTurkey

9/06/2013 Reposting this in full from The Australian Independent Media Network An information alternative . [u]The case for keeping Julia Gillard[/u] “So why am I the last columnist to give them a fighting chance? Well, Julia Gillard has never been given a fair go” (Robert Macklin). JULIA-GILLARD-QT-300x225 [This post has been reproduced with the kind permission of journalist and author, Robert Macklin from his article The case for keeping Julia.] It seems I’m the only columnist left in Australia who thinks Julia Gillard and her excellent government have a reasonable chance of winning the September 14 election. Call me quixotic if you like, but I just can’t believe that my fellow Australians would toss out a government that has done us such sterling service for an opposition led by Tony Abbott who threatens to undo so much of what we’ve achieved these last five years; and who wants to set us on a path to “austerity” that has done such appalling damage in Europe and the US. Consider the Government’s achievements: it acted swiftly to save us from recession during the world’s financial and economic meltdown. But just as important, it resisted cutting the Budget to shreds when revenue fell, despite the immense political pressure to do so. It transformed our schools and our schooling, thus setting us up for the future and giving our children the best possible start in life. It invested massively in tertiary education, including trades, to meet the needs of a growing and changing economy. It created the National Disability Insurance Scheme from nothing. It raised the pension to a decent level. It introduced paid parental leave. It invested in roads, ports and other infrastructure that was holding us back because Howard ignored it. It improved relations with China while maintaining a strong US commitment. Indeed, in foreign affairs it didn’t put a foot wrong. It fixed the Murray-Darling river system. It put a price on carbon that will lead to a transformation of our energy generation. It is building the NBN that will transform for the better the way we live and work. And it did all this as a minority government in the face of obdurate resistance and schoolyard bullying from Tony Abbott. It tried desperately to stem the flow of boat people, but was blocked at every turn by an Opposition that revelled in the political mileage gained from it. So why am I the last columnist to give them a fighting chance? Well, Julia Gillard has never been given a fair go. People still resent the way she made it to The Lodge after his party rejected Kevin Rudd. Had she been a man, it would have been a political coup and that’s that, but a woman couldn’t be forgiven. The Murdoch press, and the miners, have vilified Labor for their own vested interests. Sadly, their campaign has set the tone for other media outlets. But that could only be effective in a political landscape where something fundamental has changed in the communication business. That’s summed up this week in a memorable phrase from “New York Times” columnist Frank Bruni: “The sideshow swallows the substance”. Policies are ignored. Instead, the “news” is all about fripperies, trivia and the seven-second grab. If you doubt it, aside from the gold-plated parental leave scheme – and slashing at least 12,000 public servant jobs – try to think of a single Abbott plan for Australia. Oh, that’s right: “Stop the boats”. Robert Macklin Robert Macklin. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [i]I predict some new initiative by the Government on Asylum Seeker strategy. This must happen. [/i]

Doug Evans

9/06/2013Jason For a taste of the sentiment in Batman read the letters column in today's Age - You can get it online.

Janet (jan@j4gypsy)

9/06/2013Morning Ad, Lyn and all. Been quite a week of discussion on TPS. In very brief: I'm with those who have said 'now is not the time to dissect the alleged sins of the ALP'. The media/LNP nexus is doing a splendid job of undermining what has been a successful government, and psychologically undermining its supporters while doing so. There's an election to win, and if not, to put up one hell of a fight for. No, it's far too simplistic, if not, to me, wholly patronising, to suggest that holding a positive viewpoint until the election is somehow 'head-in-sand'. Post election, I will have some interest in reconsiderations of how to restructure one, or more, political parties and groupings. For now, it's 'Venceremos!', and a dip into the fast-flowing Twitter stream for you from me. Fantastic to hear what you are doing Lucy (LiR) and the reception you're getting, by the way. What do you reckon it would take to get a 10-15% swing to you in Wide Bay? How can we help?!! (And did you hear that the Reachtel poll suggests Swanny will keep his seat :-)?) Fancy the media oracles being wrong on this one – and in the same week! They couldn't possibly be wrong anywhere else now, could they. [b]Twitterati:[/b] [i]Anne Summers ‏@SummersAnne[/i] “@ABCnewsIntern: Barrie Cassidy: "I'm now very strongly of the view that Julia Gillard will not lead Labor to the next election." #Insiders” [i]Malcolm Farr ‏@farrm51[/i] It appears Labor MPs are now set to battle over who is better qualified to lead them into defeat. #oncegreatparty #insiders [i]Wendy Bacon ‏@Wendy_Bacon[/i] Annoyed by journos who lecture government on not 'communicating policies' when media actively involved in preventing it doing just that. [i]Harry Larsen ‏@berkeleyboy[/i] Rudd's positioning himself to be the next Opposition Leader, in expectation PM Abbott will go for an early poll #insiders [i]Brendan Brooks ‏@HyperBrendan[/i] Wow, on Friday morning Rudd was $50 to be the next elected prime minister, he is now $13.50 #insiders [i]Shary Bobbins ‏@sharybobbins[/i] So they show Ciobo on lateline spewing hate speech and NOT ONE commentator on @InsidersABC condemns him. #auspol [i]Craig Emerson MP ‏@CraigEmersonMP[/i] I'm going for a run. Ciobo's violent language in relation to PM is part of a trend. So many condoning or excusing. Media silent. Worrying. [i]Woman for Julia ‏@giddeygirl[/i] .@JuliaGillard may I come to the launch on Tuesday of women for Gillard please? I live in ACT. [i]Van Badham ‏@vanbadham[/i] Dear Australia, If you voted them out because of #workchoices, don't vote #workchoices back in. Love, Van. [i]Jo ‏@jot_au[/i] The day after Labor win the election we should all send an email to Abbott containing just the words "shit happens" [i]Julia Gillard ‏@JuliaGillard[/i] Sleeve finished, now just the lace edging to knit and the cardigan's done! #WWKIP JG [b]Twitterverse:[/b] [i]julia day ‏@juliadaydrummer[/i] @politicaltragic here's a worthwhile petition against media bias, I have signed it: https://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/australian-communications-media-authority-the-australian-press-council-an-immediate-industry-wide-review-of-the-news-and-current-affairs-media?utm_campaign=twitter_link&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition [i]IndependentAustralia ‏@independentaus[/i] Peter Slipper on independent media, the Guardian Australia launch and media diversity. http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/business/media-2/peter-slipper-on-independent-media-guardian-launch-and-media-diversity/ [i]Sandy ‏@ThumpersAunt[/i] Politically homeless: Ruling in, ruling out http://andrewelder.blogspot.com/2013/06/ruling-in-ruling-out.html?spref=tw … [i]No Fibs Geek ‏@geeksrulz[/i] Pyne: PM JG stalked like a 'weak wildebeest' 'eaten out like a fly-blown sheep' http://bit.ly/16RIa8A  Father of 4, Shadow Education #AUSPOL [i]Mark Travers ‏@mark_travers[/i] Once a bully..... http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/fresh-abbott-punch-claim-20130607-2nvtf.html #auspol [i]Lucy ‏@louinoosa[/i] More of the Abbott style. The bully in the playground & his pathetic followers hoping for a pat on the head #auspol http://www.skynews.com.au/national/article.aspx?id=878461 [i]Denise ‏@SpudBenBean[/i] I had no idea @TonyAbbottMHR blocked @CatherineKingMP from participating in Pollie Pedal http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/tony-abbotts-dodgy-pollie-pedal-expense-claims/ He's so nasty. #auspol [i]David Marler ‏@Qldaah[/i] #qldpol #auspol Murdoch, Rinehart, Abbott triangle is running the show @Vic_Rollison: "Labor Bashing" http://ow.ly/lQpoz  [i]Angeline ‏@angelineau[/i] Here tis. Thanks @couriermail for publishing it. Hope u don't lose ur jobs: Tony Abbott protest in Brisbane: http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/crowd-protests-against-tony-abbott-in-brisbane/story-fnihsrf2-1226659567118 … [i]No Fibs ‏@NoFibs[/i] The round-up: For whom the poll ticks http://bit.ly/ZBmjNe  #NoFibsArchive [i]Kate Sommerville ‏@wetherby2012[/i] Rudd is taking us for fools http://wp.me/pVNfI-Ar  via @Drag0nista [i]Perorationer ‏@Perorationer[/i] Abbott first day as PM- http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-maps-out-first-day-in-pms-office-20130608-2nwvc.html - Wants to become a PM who gains respect even from those who do not vote for him.Delusional [i]The Guardian ‏@guardian[/i] Erdoğan's party rules out early elections as thousands defy call to end protest: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/08/erdogan-party-elections-protest [i]Tar Sands Blockade ‏@KXLBlockade[/i] Climate storms are raging and the dirty energy industry wants your silence http://bit.ly/13O0RUE  #FearlessSummer [i]Adnan Al-Daini ‏@respect65[/i] "Noam Chomsky: Are We on the Verge of Total Self-Destruction?" - a must read, clear & authoritative as always #P2 http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/noam-chomsky-nuclear?page=0%2C0 …

nasking

9/06/2013 WHY I LIKE ABOUT THIS SITE IS THE TOLERANCE OF THE MODERATORS AND BLOG OWNER OF ROBUST DISCUSSION AS TO THE INTEGRITY OF MAINSTREAM AND MINOR PARTIES AND INDEPENDENTS... AND THE ROBUST DEBATE ON WHO WOULD BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE AND EFFECTIVE LEADER FOR THE ALP... AND LIBERALS... AND THE GREENS... AND THE NATIONAL PARTY,.. ALTERNATIVE PARTIES... TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE PATH TO FAIRNESS...CORRUPT BEHAVIOUR...THE PUBLIC GOOD...THE WELFARE OF AUSTRALIA...FUTURE JOBS AND INVESTMENT...PRIVATISATION & OUTSOURCING...SOCIAL HARMONY...SUSTAINABLE ECONOMY...BIO-DIVERSITY...CLIMATE CHANGE...DIVERSITY OF TRANSPORT...HUMAN RIGHTS...ROLE OF RELIGION AND TAXATION...UN AND WAR, CONFLICT-RELATED ISSUES...DEFENSE EXPENDITURE...CHILD, RACE, GENDER-BASED ISSUES...ANIMALS WELFARE...INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS...LANGUAGES...HEALTHY SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS, CHILD-CARE, AGED CARE, COMMUNITIES, PRISONS...AFFORDABLE ESSENTIAL SERVICES AND TRANSPORT...RESPECT AND APPROPRIATE UTILISATION OF PUBLIC ASSETS...TAXATION...COMMUNICATION NETWORKS, NBN...ABUSE OF PRIVATE-PUBLIC PARTNERSHIPS...TAX AVOIDANCE...CORPORATISATION...FAIR VS FREE TRADE...PRIVACY...MEDIA REFORM...ETC... N'

nasking

9/06/2013 should be: [b]WHATI LIKE ABOUT THIS SITE IS THE TOLERANCE OF THE MODERATORS AND BLOG OWNER FOR ROBUST DISCUSSIONS AS TO THE INTEGRITY OF MAINSTREAM AND MINOR PARTIES AND INDEPENDENTS...[/b] OBVIOUSLY THE TREATMENT OF ASYLUM SEEKERS, PROCESSING, HOUSING, DETENTION OF...WILL BE IMPORTANT IN FUTURE DISCUSSIONS... THE ROLE OF DISPLACED PEOPLE DURING REAL AND MANUFACTURED CONFLICTS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION. AND HISTORY OF MIGRATION AND ASYLUM SEEKERS, REFUGEES, ECONOMIC MIGRANTS...AND WHITE AUSTRALIA POLICY MUST BE PART OF A ROBUST DISCUSSION... AND CONTRIBUTION TO AUSTRALIA...NOT JUST POLITICAL AND FINANCIAL EXPENSE. N'

DMW

9/06/2013TT @ 10:20 AM, thanks for that Robert Macklin article. It was very disconcerting reading it for while Macklin lists the achievements and reasons that Labor should not be replaced by an LNP government, he does so in the past tense as if ... Hi Jayfa, thanks for restoring some sanity and lifting the spirit of this caveman :)

nasking

9/06/2013 MIGHT ASSIST AD WITH HIS UPCOMINGPOST: For a few weeks in 2001 during the high-intensity Operation Relex period, Navy border protection vessel commanders were under standing orders from the Howard Government to attempt to turn back or tow back asylum seeker boats to Indonesia whenever they (or their senior onshore ADF commanders — it was never clear where such decisions were made) judged this could safely be achieved. A few such turnbacks succeeded, but there were five asylum seeker deaths, huge stress, and the costs to Navy solidarity and morale were high. In total, 12 Suspected Illegal Entry Vessel (SIEVs) were intercepted during Operation Relex in 2001. Of those 12, the Navy attempted to enforce government turnback policy on ten occasions. Of those ten attempts, only four boats and their occupants were successfully returned to Indonesian waters. Five asylum seekers died or went missing in two of these encounters. Tony Abbott as Opposition Leader, on several occasions in 2011 and 2012, has affirmed with increasing vehemence his 'core policy' for asylum seeker turnback. He has pledged to resume SIEV turnbacks to Indonesia if elected, for example in October 2011: It should be an option to turn the boats around where it is safe to do so. The Navy's done it before, it can do it again. Coalition Immigration spokesman Scott Morrison further detailed his leader's thinking. He said an Abbott government would be prepared to 'own' any decision to tow an asylum seeker boat back to Indonesia and would not hold the ADF accountable for the results. He said the decision to return boats would be informed, but not decided, by a situation report provided by Navy personnel at the scene. Our intention is to ensure that those charged with carrying out government policy [are] only responsible for its execution, not its enactment. We will make our policy decision and we will bear responsibility for the consequences. We won't be putting any naval and immigration officials at the end of the stick. Clearly, the Navy is not at all comfortable at this possible prospect, despite Morrison's reassurances. Admiral Ray Griggs, current Chief of the Navy who commanded the frigate HMAS Arunta during Operation Relex, led two forced tow-back attempts — one successful and one not. He testified in October 2011 to a Senate Estimates committee that safety issues under the International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea, as judged by experienced mariners, would influence a commander's advice whether to attempt to tow or turn a SIEV back to Indonesia: factors such as the state of the engine, the state of the hull, the presence of life-saving equipment, radio, any navigational equipment. He noted: There are risks involved in this whole endeavour. As I said, there were incidents during these activities [in 2001], as there have been incidents subsequently, which have been risky. There have been fires lit ... attempts to storm the engine compartment ... people jumping in the water and that sort of thing. Griggs could have said a lot more. The notorious 'children overboard' affair itself originated in unsuccessful attempts by HMAS Adelaide to force an intercepted asylum seeker boat SIEV 4 to return to Indonesia, resulting in successive probable acts of sabotage by passengers to their boat's engines, steering gear and hull. Most of the history of turn-back attempts in 2001 was ugly and violent. People on SIEVs were usually initially amenable and cooperative after Navy interception, as long as they believed assurances that they were being taken to Australian territory for processing. But if they came to suspect they might be being turned around by trickery or coercion and towed back to Indonesia, situations quickly became emotionally charged and dangerous, both for themselves and for ADF boarding parties. To achieve successful tow-backs, commanders were forced to resort to lies and subterfuges in order to gain male passengers' trust sufficiently to be able to lock them away safely in the hold. In the case of SIEV 7, a vicious on-deck riot ensued when distraught passengers realised they had been tricked into being towed back overnight to the edge of Indonesian territorial waters. There was a suicide explosion attempt involving a man self-dousing with petrol while standing close to an Australian boarding crew. Throughout this period, there were various attempts by asylum seekers to sink, set fire to or blow up boats in Australian custody, to prevent tow-back. These incidents put both passengers and supervising ADF personnel at high physical risk. The emotional distress to ADF personnel from such confrontations was also high. Some of them blamed asylum seekers for subjecting them to such risks and distress. Others blamed their orders. The damage to service morale and solidarity was significant. One disgusted crew member described conditions on one Navy ship transporting angry asylum seekers to Nauru as akin to a slave ship. A senior naval reserve commander, a doctor, left his ship in Darwin after a month of Operation Relex operations, telling the press: I participated in the boarding, attempted removal and actual forced removal of suspected illegal immigrant vessels to Indonesia ... nearly everyone I spoke to that was involved in these operations knew that what they were doing was wrong. Even in the higher ranks of the Navy, there was evidence of divergent views, signs of an incipient breakdown of trust and solidarity between some senior officers more disposed to give the government everything it wanted and let government 'wear' the outcomes, and others who wanted to draw a professional line of conscience beyond which governments should not try to push them. ***** Can Abbott and Morrison really be serious about turning back boats? Do they really want to expose the Navy to these grave problems? The fear, the rage, the encouragement to self-harm and lethal criminality, the emotional damage to asylum seekers and Navy personnel alike, the risks to Australian–Indonesian relations? It is vital that turn-back policies not be reinstated. The ADF and its friends should continue to resist this strenuously. It is essential to maintaining Navy morale and the integrity of the ADF's ethical and legal standards that they not be compromised by any government's improper pressures on them to step over the line here. In respect of Morrison's reassurances that government would wear the responsibility for any adverse consequences from Navy turn-back operations, the Nuremberg trials made quite clear that military commanders can never escape personal accountability for illegal actions that cause civilian death by arguing that they were only following government orders. It is rather amazing that Abbott and Morrison appear not to comprehend this. Another problem with reinstated turn-back practice is that it would encourage a return to the negative 2001 public view of asylum seekers as essentially threatening and hostile people — as enemies of Australia. In this environment, the risk of proper Safety of Life at Sea (SOLAS) practice being neglected or compromised in Australian Border Protection Command operations would be magnified. [b]As retired RAN Commodore Sam Bateman warns: whatever policies might be adopted by any future Australian government to deter or slow down numbers of boat people arrivals, these policies should never put Australian border security professionals into situations where they were under political or chain-of-command pressures to violate or put at risk their own SOLAS obligations to all people whom they encounter at risk at sea.[/b] [b]Turn-back is, quite simply, inconsistent with decent SOLAS practice in border protection.[/b] This is an edited extract from former diplomat Tony Kevin's latest book Reluctant Rescuers, available from leading bookshops or from the book's website. Tony was also the author of A Certain Maritime Incident — the sinking of SIEV X (2004). http://www.eurekastreet.com.au/article.aspx?aeid=32443#.UbPi6ssaySM THE COALITION WILL TRY TO CHANGE NAVY, JUDICIAL LEADERSHIP...AND LAWS... N'

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9/06/2013 JUST READ THAT BOB ELLIS POST THAT LOOKS A POSSIBLE CHANGE OF ALP LEADERSHIP...BASED ON POLLING: The News From Dobell (2) Posted by Bob Ellis on June 9, 2013 Leave a comment (18)Go to comments [b]Our polling continues, and shows the Liberals losing to either Labor, Craig or Barry Cohen by 34.5 percent to 65.5 percent; and Abbott, interestingly, losing, and losing badly, as Preferred Prime Minister to Shorten (44.5 to 54.5), Combet (48 to 52), Rudd (39 to 61), and, nearly, Windsor (52 to 48). Carr against him gets only 44 and Plibersek, disappointingly, 33. The polling continues; but it will show, I think, that Abbott is disliked, and candidates other than Rudd can defeat him. [/b] [b]The most interesting news is the swing, in a Labor-scandal-plagued seat, is not away from Labor but towards it, by 9 or 10 percent.[/b] http://www.ellistabletalk.com/2013/06/09/the-news-from-dobell-2/#comment-73413 [b]MY COMMENT TO BOB:[/b] Bob, enlightening figures. Any reason you prefer Shorten or Combet over Rudd? Don’t you think Rudd would be more likely to shift the essential QLD vote…and bring in more ‘family values’ and Christian ‘battler’ voters who Abbott has taken from the ALP by using some of Santamaria’s tactics…and the nudge nudge wink wink to Libs like Bernardi and Nat Joyce pushing their UKIP and ONE NATION and TEA PARTY and BNP-like stuff? Are you worried about Rudd’s stance on asylum seekers and previous relationship with News Ltd folk (SKY NEWS bid for Australia Network for instance) which Rudd seems to look at as ‘TAMING THE BEAST’? Would the fact Rudd is a maverick help considering his distancing from unions unlike Shorten…taking into account the negative views pushed by MSM of unions?… and the fact he is in a steady long-term relationship with a strong career woman, like ABBOTT as opposed to Shorten who has had recent problems. Shorten would be pummelled by conservative shock jocks and usual suspect MSM…Rudd is used to it. Just a few thoughts. Enjoy much of yer work. ------- SHORTEN HAS NOT GONE THRU THE MSM MILL YET. N'

Mal Kukura

9/06/2013Lori Keats the Budgy chirped the truth succintly vote for a Gillard Government and you get a parliament of the people,for the people and by the people. Vote for Abbott and you get a parliament of big business,for big business and by big business. Plutocracy or Democracy

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9/06/2013 COALITION TYING THEMSELVES UP IN KNOTS: A [b]coalition government wouldn't need a formal agreement with Indonesia to send asylum seeker boats back there. Opposition border protection spokesman Michael Keenan says the Howard government didn't have any formal arrangement when it successfully turned boats back.[/b] But he says a co-operative relationship with Indonesia would be 'pivotal'. '[b]When it comes to turning these boats back around it would be sending Indonesian-flagged boats with an Indonesian crew back to the Indonesian port from which they've left,' he told Sky News on Sunday.[/b] 'There's absolutely nothing stopping that. We don't need a formal arrangement with the Indonesians to do that.' Indonesia's ambassador to Australia Nadjib Riphat Kesoema recently ruled out any collaboration between the two nations to send people back to Indonesia because it wasn't their country of origin. Foreign Minister Bob Carr said the opposition was trying to trick Australians with a simple 'turn back the boats' slogan. 'The idea that a boat with 200 people on it delivered into Australian waters by a people smuggler can simply be told to turn around and go back to Indonesia, or that Australian border security forces are going to be able to cart it to an Indonesian port, is a fantasy,' he told Network Ten on Sunday. 'Tony Abbott could be made prime minister tomorrow and the problem of people smugglers bringing desperate people into our waters will continue.' http://www.skynews.com.au/national/article.aspx?id=878519 HMMM... N'

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9/06/2013 [b]International Chinese coal projects[/b] [b]Indonesia[/b] Mining [b]Between 2000 and 2007, Indonesian coal deliveries to China increased by 157%. [/b] In August 2010, China's sovereign wealth fund, China Investment Corporation (CIC) announced that, in order to "secure more resources in Southeast Asia and benefit from increasing trade in the region" it would "plough" US$2 billion into coal, electricity and port projects in Indonesia. No time limit was given for fulfilling these objectives, but CIC said it was interested specifically in three Indonesian state firms: the coal mine company PT Tambang Batubara Bukit Asam; the state electricity company, PLN; and port operator, Pelindo. Power generation China Huadian In October 2004 the Vice-President of China Huadian Corporation (CHD) met with a senior official from the Chinese Embassy in Indonesia seeking support for its plans for greater involvement in the Indonesia market. The following year CHD won a $US400 million contract for the construction of 2×300MW coal fired power plant project in West Java, Indonesia.The project was to supply power to PT Pembangkitan Jawa-Bali (PT PJB), a government-owned utility commonly referred to as PT PJB. The consortium selected to build the project was PT. Indika Inti Energy, a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Indika Group. In March 2005 there was a further high level meeting between CHD officials and the head of the state-run electricity company, PT PLN. The following month CHD signed a Memorandum of Understanding with the governor of South Sumatra, Mr.Syahrial Oesman, for the development of a 4X600MW mine mouth power station in South Sumatra.[18] A few months later the formal Memorandum of Agreement was signed with the Indonesian President, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono and Chinese vice premier Zeng Peiyan at a business luncheon. Signing the agreement were Mr. He Gong, the president of China Huadian Corporation, Mr. Eddie Widiono, the president director of Indonesian state-run electricity company PT PLN, Mr. Ismet Harmaini, president of Indonesian state-run coal company PTBA and Mr. Hendrik Tee, president of Indika. "This project is to be developed by 55% majority holding of China Huadian corporation," a CHD media release stated. The project is the Banko Tengah power plant. However, an October 2010 JP Morgan research report referred to the project as having stalled. The plant was proposed to be built adjoining the Banko Tengah mine. In September, 2010, China Huadian Corporation (CHD) announced that it had embarked on a "going abroad" path by launching the 180 MW Asahan No 1 hydropower plant in North Sumatra, Indonesia. CHD also established a branch in Indonesia in August 2010, which became the first foreign-funded company licensed to operate a power plant in Indonesia. CHD Power Plant Operation Co (PPOC) general manager Jin Yingjun said, "Through this project, we have developed a new model for running power stations overseas. We aim to build up our team through this project and then further press ahead overseas." The company also stated in a media release that PPOC had "signed plant operation deals with Indonesia and Malaysia worth $200 million last year" and falgged that it was "currently seeking to build a thermal plant in Vietnam." CHD also stated that the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) had approved a plan of China Huadian Engineering Co, a CHD subsidiary, to build a 65 MW coal-fired power plant on Batam Island, Indonesia. [b]As of early 2011, the following projects were in various stages of development by China Huadian Engineering in Indonesia: Lafarge, 33 MW coal-fired power plant, Aceh Besar, Sumatra - operating Asahan, hydropower station, Sumatra - operating Batam, hydropower station, Sumatra - under construction Indorama, 60 MW coal-fired power plant, Java - construction completed[/b] http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/International_Chinese_coal_projects INTERESTING. N'

Patriciawa

9/06/2013Thanks TT! Yes that is indeed a great article by Robert Macklin. My response, which I've posted here again just recently is a reprise from two years ago, but which his article I think justifies an encore and repetition of what will be my slogan for this campaign [b]Gillard Has Guts![/b] One paper told the truth today No matter what the others have to say. You know, about the PM being dead, Politically I mean. How often has that been said! But here she is alive and well, And with plenty of good news to tell. This picture says it all dear reader. We couldn’t have a better leader. While leakers and gossip writers go to town, Character assassins bring her down, And Abbott does his stunts and struts, She keeps smiling. Yes! Gillard has guts! If only we could use her picture here too. That smile is a winner and should be posted anywhere and everywhere. http://cafewhispers.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/gillard-smiling2.jpg?w=150&h=90

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9/06/2013 [b]NUCLEAR POWER IN INDONESIA[/b] Proposals [b]A physics lecturer from Airlangga University has stated that the need for electricity continues to increase, while fossil-fuel reserves are being depleted; Indonesia is ready and able to develop a nuclear-power plant. Nuclear experts have conducted nuclear research since the 1970s.[/b] The Indonesian Nuclear Energy Regulation Agency BAPETEN has confirmed that seven nuclear supervisors were on IAEA missions in several countries (including one in Tokyo, Japan), and Indonesia is ready to operate nuclear power plants as soon as those facilities are built. [b]Despite the Fukushima nuclear disaster, Indonesia is unlikely to halt its plan to build its first nuclear-power plant due to an electricity crisis. A nuclear-energy development head at Indonesia's National Nuclear Energy Agency said that concerns about a disaster such as Japan's were misplaced; plants in Indonesia would use more advanced technology than the four-decade-old reactors at the Fukushima plant in Japan.[/b] Modern plants are designed to operate in the circumstances of total power failure like that experienced at Fukushima, relying on passive safety systems that do not require electricity to function. Natural resources Indonesia has at least two uranium mines: the Remaja-Hitam and Rirang-Tanah Merah mines, located in western Kalimantan (Borneo). If these prove insufficient, the country may import uranium. Controversy Indonesia's nuclear plans have met with criticism from Greenpeace, other groups and individuals. In June 2007 nearly 4,000 protesters rallied in Central Java, calling on the government to abandon plans to build a nuclear power plant in their area. Specific concerns included the dangers posed by nuclear waste and the location of the country on the Pacific Ring of Fire, with geological activity (such as earthquakes and volcanic eruptions) hazardous to nuclear reactors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Indonesia#Controversy [b] HMMM... AND THE BOATS KEEP COMING...YET NOT FOR HOWARD... HMMM...[/b] N'

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9/06/2013 [b]Safety fears as Indonesia prepares to go nuclear[/b] Australian Broadcasting Corporation [b]Broadcast: 10/01/2008[/b] Reporter: Geoff Thompson [b]With the signing of the Lombok treaty and its commitment to nuclear co-operation, Indonesia now sees Australia as a partner helping it to realise its nuclear dreams. But there remain serious safety concerns about building nuclear reactors anywhere on the notoriously unstable Indonesian archipelago.[/b] Transcript HEATHER EWART: Welcome to the program, I'm Heather Ewart. Indonesia's vulnerability to earthquakes is well known, with the archipelago being one long danger zone of seismic activity. But it hasn't stopped the Asian nation from pursuing its nuclear ambitions, with plans to have its own nuclear power plants up and running within the decade. The Government says it needs nuclear energy to support the growth of the economy. That's despite a groundswell of community opposition and studies showing an accident could send radioactive waste over Australia. This report from Indonesia correspondent Geoff Thompson. [b]KUSMAYANTO KADIMAN, MINISTER FOR RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY: Nuclear is the way forward for Indonesia. If you count with the current technology that is available, the resources of energy will not be sufficient to support the Indonesian development plan. DR ZIGGY SWITKOWSKI, CHAIRMAN ANSTO: 10 years from about now, for Indonesia sounds realistic. YAYAK NUR HIDAYATI, GREENPEACE: The Australian Government should withdraw supporting Indonesia to get nuclear power plant. It will not only be dangerous for Indonesian people, but also for Australians, as well. GEOFF THOMPSON: The pros and cons of nuclear energy may have been an issue in Australia's recent election, but when the people of Balong voted for their next village chief, nuclear power was the only issue. That's because Balong in Central Java sits alongside the proposed site of Indonesia's first nuclear power plant. MARJAN (translated): I'm worried about the crop. That's what I'm worried about. I'm worried after the nuclear plant the crops won't grow as good. EMI (translated): When there was an earthquake in Yogyakarta we felt it here too. All our things shook, I felt so scared. GEOFF THOMPSON: Balong's frightened voters even insisted that all candidates for village chief signed a statement opposing the plant, which is known locally here by its Indonesian acronym PLTN. Of the four potential sites on the world's most populous island, this area has been selected as the safest and most stable location for Indonesia's first nuclear power station, right in the shadow of the dormant volcano Mount Muria. Nearby, keeping a low profile with its sign whited out is a seismic centre, assessing the Muria Peninsula to be the safest location in earthquake-prone Indonesia. But a report commissioned by Indonesia's own nuclear energy agency found two active geological fault lines running right underneath the site. YAYAK NUR HIDAYATI: The geographical and geological condition in Java is very unstable. A lot of earthquake and a lot of faults are found all over Java, not to mention the volcano that is still active in Java. So this is the existing condition that we can't avoid. [/b] KUSMAYANTO KADIMAN: From the optimist for example, we can build it, we can accommodate up to certain level of the quake with the current technology. Of course, it is not for free. You will add up some more cost. HUDI HASTOWO, NATIONAL NUCLEAR ENERGY AGENCY: (Inaudible) but we have to produce technology that make the nuclear power plant safe, because otherwise it will be a problem for our people and also our environment. GEOFF THOMPSON: Indonesia is not exactly known for the safety of its infrastructure, and questions were raised when a lab inside the country's only nuclear test reactor exploded. Three people were hurt. Ziggy Switkowski, who headed the Howard government's nuclear energy task force, believes it is technically possible to built safe reactors in Indonesia. DR ZIGGY SWITKOWSKI: Indonesia will be helped by the most sophisticated vendors. It will be assisted by the International Atomic Energy Agency in overseeing its protocols and Australia is a part of that process. I think we will end up being assured that the structures that are put in place in Indonesia would meet the sort of standards that we, too, would be held to. GEOFF THOMPSON: The construction of this test facility near Jakarta 20 years ago marked the beginning of Indonesia's stumbling nuclear ambitions. Those ambitions were boosted recently by the Howard government's open consideration of nuclear energy in Australia, and its signing of the nuclear technology sharing Lombok Treaty with Indonesia. KUSMAYANTO KADIMAN: The cooperation between the two countries, Australia and Indonesia, that was signed in Lombok is really not only from political point of view it is good for Indonesia, because it is very well known that Australia for many, even two decades, against the Indonesian idea to have nuclear power plant. With that strategy cooperation now we say this is not only become Indonesian issue, but also Australia, the partnership of Indonesia in Australia. [b]GEOFF THOMPSON: The Rudd Government's stance on Indonesia's nuclear plans is not yet clear. Nuclear power plants in Australia are ruled out for now, and while uranium sales to India may also be on hold, there are no such treaty troubles preventing yellow cake sales to Indonesia in the future. [/b] [b]DR ZIGGY SWITKOWSKI: There are no obstacles to Australian export of uranium to Indonesia, because Indonesia is a signatory to the Non Proliferation Treaty. But as you've indicated, we probably have 10 or more years in which to address all of these issues and other areas in which we can assist one another, because it may turn out that Indonesia and Australia might be on similar timetables for the introduction of nuclear power in our respective countries. [/b] [b]GEOFF THOMPSON: With help from Australia, Indonesia says, it has found its own uranium reserves in Kalimantan, which it hopes to exploit. [/b] KUSMAYANTO KADIMAN: If, again, viability and visibility from technology an economical point of view we will do it. GEOFF THOMPSON: With Australia's help? KUSMAYANTO KADIMAN: With Australia's help, yes. (sound of crowd) [b]GEOFF THOMPSON: Opposition to Indonesia's plans was galvanised when a group of Islamic scholars declared that the nuclear plant was haraam or forbidden, but many experts believe that if Indonesia wants to keep powering its growing population, a nuclear future is unavoidable. [/b] DR ZIGGY SWITKOWSKI: In our region you've got countries such as Japan and South Korea and China and India committing to building more and more reactors into the future. It does seem to me to be a very sensible option for any country that's going to have to make significant investments in new generating capacity and I think Indonesia very much will see that as a very appealing alternative. KUSMAYANTO KADIMAN: To support the growth of the economy and also to improve the welfare of the people, we need this nuclear power plant. [b]GEOFF THOMPSON: But ominously, studies have shown that a nuclear accident in Indonesia could send radioactive waste over northern Australia. KUSMAYANTO KADIMAN: Yes, sure. Same thing. If you build your nuclear power plant for example Northern Territory, the so-called nuclear cloud may be blown by the wind to Indonesia. The same thing, if it is occurred in Java, they may get it. Not always true, depending upon the wind and also the concentration of the so-called nuclear cloud. Potential. [/b] GEOFF THOMPSON: Could go to Australia? KUSMAYANTO KADIMAN: Could go to Australia. GEOFF THOMPSON: So we're in this together? KUSMAYANTO KADIMAN: Yeah. HEATHER EWART: Geoff Thompson reporting. http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2007/s2136045.htm [b]AND THE BOATS KEEP ON COMING...[/b] N'

Janet (jan@j4gypsy)

9/06/2013I know the sumptuous Tweetie Bird will pick this one up for tomorrow, but given earlier posts from TT, Patricia, DMW this morning, here's Bushfire Bill's 'call to arms', and what a beauty. [b]Why we fight[/b] by [i]Bushfire Bill[/i] http://pbxmastragics.com/2013/06/09/why-we-fight/ I’ve been accused of being a cock-eyed optimist and a dreamer in continuing to believe that Labor can win the coming election. Apparently I have “read the manual” (to use the only immortal words Joel Fitzgibbon will ever utter). The only manual I’ve been reading from is the one that says the only time a poll can be tested against real Reality is on the day after the election, when election eve polls are tested against actual election results. As for the rest… how would we know whether they are correct in the moment, and (more importantly) correct in their implications? The answer is: mid term polls are a best guess estimate. No more than that. It’s pretty clear the pundits believe this too. They are too keen to keep repeating their so far failed mantra of “Gillard Gone!” to indicate otherwise. Their agitation proves it. If it was such a certainty that Labor would lose, then they’d be calmly talking about the policies of the inevitable incoming government… and they’re not. They’re essentially talking about the mechanics of the next election, not its issues. Even today the few articles about what Abbott will do “when he is Prime Minister” don’t extend beyond Day #1. Assuming Abbott wins, what ARE they going to talk about for the next 1000 or so issues of their newspapers, or 150 editions of their panels shows until the next election? There’s been election fever in the air since virtually the day that Oakeshotte and Windsor sided with Gillard, guaranteeing to support her in No Confidence motions and to pass budgets so that a viable government could be formed. The reasons have been many, from external threats, to internal ones, to MPs going to jail or being sent bankrupt thus reducing the numbers. Not one of them has come true. Think about that… NOT ONE. Hundreds of columns, op-eds and poll commentary pieces have been written, leading the wise old men (and they are mostly men) of the elite political media to predict imminent doom for Gillard… and not one has been correct. According to a tweet reproduced above they’re still at it. This is clearly obsessive behaviour. The commentocracy has been proved comprehensively, overwhelmingly, incontrovertibly wrong on every count of their predictions so far. If they had to conform to KPIs (key performance indicators) they’d have all been sacked long ago as the useless hacks they are. There’s a kind of collective insanity that has gripped the few pundits left after the mass sackings and retrenchments (with more to come) in the media. It’s them against the world. As their newspapers and TV networks wind down and head for bankruptcy, they persist in repeating the same mistake they have been making for three long years: assuming Gillard is playing by their rules. She is clearly not, or she would have been replaced by Rudd two years ago, or fallen victim to one of Abbott’s imaginary No Confidence motions before that, or been deserted by a gaggle of disillusioned Independents. Gillard has rewritten the rule book on how to run a successful government. Saddled with continuous (though wrong) predictions of doom, gloom among her colleagues and apparent dislike of her by the public, she has single-handedly kept it together against all predictions from the experts, proving… they are not experts at all. The hung parliament is such a rare thing as to be a new thing. While her enemies try to fit the new circumstances to the old rules, she has made new rules, but in the end she has registered an old-fashioned result: an achieving government, ripe with legislation and worthwhile reform that has guided the nation through some of its darkest economic hours, leaving Australia the top performing nation in the world, confounding her critics, humiliating her opponents at every turn, and turning the Rule Book on its head. Not bad for someone who is written off daily as a failure, I’d say. But who are the actual failures? The woman who is still standing and governing, or the claque of paid Abbott spruikers and congenitally mistaken political “experts” who said that what she has done couldn’t possibly be achieved? I think the latter… they have only polls on their side, polls that have predicted her fall from grace for three years now, but which can only be tested once every three years. No matter how you try to rationalize it, the only poll that’s verifiable is the one taken the day before the election. All the others are fanciful, in that they can only imply a result far into the future from opinions lightly given in the present. Is it any wonder that the 5% to 8% that constitutes the swing voters consistently polls in favour of the Coalition, when the only story they hear, day after day, week after tedious week, is that the government is already defeated? There’s clearly a feedback loop in operation (I prefer to call it a circle jerk), but feedback loops don’t necessarily win elections or depose governments. It’s possible for the punters to wake up to themselves and start thinking, as they have before. The pundits and enemies of Gillard know this. And that’s another reason why they keep up the negativity: to try to reinforce – or rather force – their opinions into the minds of others. Their reputations and careers are at stake as much as Gillard’s. If they are wrong this time surely there can’t be any hope for them, for their companies who have gone broke by alienating half their readership and for the entire political industry from the lobbyists reportedly lining up for cushy advisor employment to the spruikers and hangers-on who think they’re going to get preferential treatment from a future “business-friendly” governemnt. So they persist. They persist beyond the boundaries of common sense and rational behaviour, continuing to repeat their past predictions in the hope that, like a stopped clock, eventually they’ll be able to tell the time accurately at least once. Combine this with the fear of the mockery they’ll attract if they are wrong – again, as they have been for three years – and the fear they have (yes, fear) of a righteously vengeful Gillard with a majority vote in hand, and it’s no surprise they persist. They have nothing else. No jobs to speak of, and no futures to entertain if they are wrong. It’s an existential struggle that has gone beyond reporting or fair analysis and has now arrived in the territory of open partisanship and unedifying (if ill-informed) barracking. The reason I haven’t given up believing in the distinct possibility of a Labor victory in September is because Labor’s opponents clearly haven’t given it up either. Their every action – from screaming, mocking wingnut posts on blogs, to the most most faux-sophisticated TV panel show “analysis” – screams that the Coalition side is well aware that Gillard could make her record against them 100-to-nothing by winning the election. Time, common sense, achievement and a record of rubbing their noses in the shit they produce daily is on Gillard’s side. Her opponents rely on patronage by media billionaires and mining magnates, phoney bravado among failed commentators in a failing industry, and in playing by the old rules. This used to be a sure-fire winning combination, but perhaps not any more. Abbott himself continues to rely on the tactics of thuggery and intimidation, patronage and protection that worked well once… thirty-five years ago when he bashed holes in walls after student elections. He hasn’t changed, either. Although the rules have changed, half the players on the field haven’t twigged to that yet. There’s a fight coming up between the old and tired and the new and innovative and I know which side I’m backing. The future is over there, and only the brave, resilient and imaginative are making that necessary journey.

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9/06/2013 JAMES BLUNDELL YET ANOTHER MURDOCH, RINEHART, PACKER, MINING, SHOOTERS CANDIDATE...HACK... HE SOUNDS TEA PARTYISH WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT THE AUSSIE CONSTUTION... INTERESTINGLY, WENT BANKRUPT...GREAT EXAMPLE... LEFT HIS WIFE FOR A YOUNG WOMAN TWENTY YEARS HIS JUNIOR...GREAT FAMILY VALUES BOB KATTER... THE YOUNG WOMAN HE MET WAS FROM AUSTRALIAN IDOL ON CHANNEL TEN...THE LACHLAN MURDOCH, GINA RINEHART AND PACKER ETC CHANNEL... YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK UP WHO RUNS AMERICAN IDOL IN THE USA...HMMM... BLUNDELL PROMOTED BY SHOCK JOCK PAUL MURRAY...ANOTHER SPRUIKER OF EVERYTHING LIBERTARIAN AND DECEITFUL ON MURDOCH, PACKER'S SLY/SKY NEWS... WAS ALSO SPRUIKED BY WOMEN'S DAY...PACKER'S CONSOLIDATED MEDIA. JAMES BLUNDELL...WORKING FOR THE PEOPLE...MY ASS. AS FAKE AS EX-LIBERAL SENATOR XENOPHON....ANOTHER SHOWMAN...PERFORMER. NO LONGER EYES WIDE SHUT. N'

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9/06/2013 ANGRY ANDERSON IS IN THE POCKET OF PACKER. AND OTHER NOT SO GOOD PEOPLE. GREEDY VESTED INTERESTS. N'

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9/06/2013 should be: [b]BLUNDELL SOUNDS LIKE A TEA PARTY MEMBER WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT THE AUSSIE CONSTITUTION...[/b]

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9/06/2013 [b]PLAGUE OF CORRUPTION IN INDONESIA:[/b] [b]The other problem is that many of Indonesia’s 10 largest political parties have a wealthy patron or group of patrons who bankroll some operational expenses and campaigns in exchange for either being the chairperson or being able to exercise influence on legislation and government policies, according to analysts...[/b] [b]In the past month, other P.K.S. leaders have been implicated in the case, accused of orchestrating a payoff of more than $1 million intended for the party’s 2014 legislative election campaign. Among them is Agriculture Minister Suswono, whose ministry allocates quotas to beef-import companies and who has been questioned by the independent Corruption Eradication Commission.[/b] [b]Separately, a corruption suspect has asserted that the P.K.S. planned to exploit its control of the ministries of Agriculture, Communications and Information Technology, and Social Affairs to amass a campaign war chest of 2 trillion rupiah, or $204 million. P.K.S. officials have denied those allegations as well as any party involvement in corruption.[/b] [b]Yet the scandal, dubbed “Beef-gate,” has prompted calls for Mr. Yudhoyono’s government and the legislature to enact sweeping campaign-finance overhauls before national elections next year. [/b] Proposals include public disclosure of political parties’ expenditures and sources of income, limits on campaign spending, creating a new agency or reappointing the National Election Commission to exercise oversight, and prosecuting party officials for violations. Effendi Gonzali, a political analyst at the University of Indonesia, said that most illegal funds flowing into political party coffers are generated through the House of Representatives’ Budget Commission, whose members have extraordinary oversight, all the way down to line-item expenditures. “They have very close ties with ministries and other state institutions, so they ‘cook’ the budgets of ministries and state institutions handled by ministers from coalition parties, and they also manage to get a kickback,” he said. On Tuesday, a former senior National Police officer testified in court that the Budget Commission received four boxes of cash in 2010 from a police general arrested last December in connection with a $20 million equipment procurement scandal, according to local news reports. [b]In the past five years, dozens of current and former members of the national legislature have been convicted on corruption charges, including Muhammad Nazaruddin, the former treasurer of Mr. Yudhoyono’s Democratic Party. Mr. Muhammad was convicted of corruption and bribery last year for helping to rig tenders to build an athletes village for the 2011 Southeast Asian Games, which Indonesia hosted. In January, Angelina Sondakh, a former Miss Indonesia and Democratic Party lawmaker, was sentenced to four and a half years in prison for receiving kickbacks in the same case[/b]. Mr. Muhammad asserted that Anas Urbaningrum, the Democratic Party chairman, had ordered him and other party legislators to rig the bidding to build a multimillion-dollar national sports complex in West Java Province. Mr. Urbaningrum resigned in February. [b]Last November, Dipo Alam, Mr. Yudhoyono’s cabinet secretary, reported three ministries to the Corruption Eradication Commission, including the Agriculture Ministry, for alleged graft involving collusion among senior government officials and national lawmakers. Andi Mallarangeng, from Mr. Yudhoyono’s Democratic Party, resigned as youth and sports minister in December after being declared a suspect in the sports complex scandal, while three other ministers including Mr. Suswono have been linked to graft cases but remain in their jobs[/b]. In March, investigators from the Corruption Eradication Commission raided the offices of two national lawmakers from Golkar, Indonesia’s largest political party, including one belonging to its party treasurer, in connection with suspected corruption involving the construction of sports facilities for Indonesia’s 2012 National Games. [b]Analysts have been predicting a spike in illegal political financing before hotly contested legislative and presidential elections set for next year.[/b] http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/31/world/asia/31iht-indonesia31.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 [b]AND THE BOATS STILL KEEP COMING...[/b] N'

nasking

9/06/2013 WEEKEND EDITION MARCH 1-3, 2013, COUNTERPUNCH [b]Postcard From Sumatra Indonesia: They Also Murder Elephants[/b] by ANDRE VLTCHEK Indonesian animals, creatures tiny and large, cannot count on any kindness and sympathy from both the Indonesian regime and the common folks. Here, animals are not considered ‘friends’; they are not cherished, nor admired, and definitely not protected. At best, they are seen as a source of income, or food; at worst, as a nuisance that has to be deterred, even exterminated. There is almost no compassion left in Indonesia, not even for the people, let alone the animals. This is the country that has committed three genocides since 1965, first slaughtering 2-3 million leftists, atheists, intellectuals and people of the Chinese minority; slaughtering them in cold blood. Two other genocides – those of East Timor and Papua–soon followed. Now Indonesia is experiencing constant religious, ethnic and social onslaughts just about everywhere, all over its territory – from Java to Ambon, Sumatra and Sulawesi, Kalimantan and Sumbawa. It appears that it is at constant war with itself, with Mother Nature and with its own conscience. To massacre animals, to destroy their habitats, to encroach on their territory –all is permissible and admissible here, as long as it brings hard cash or prevents the loss of it. In Indonesia, people die in natural and man-made disasters. Regularly, the UN declares the country as the most disaster prone on earth. The entire islands are being ravaged, stripped of their forests and all the other natural resources. Landslides, poisoning of the earth and the shores, and unbridled pollution, come on tail of the trend. The animals, in fact all the creatures, even nature itself, are now not even secondary; they are tertiary – thought irrelevant to both human victims and victimizers. Green Peace nominated Indonesia as the nation that ranks number one in the world, in deforestation. This vast archipelago is the world’s third largest greenhouse gas emitter, largely as a result of the destruction of rainforests and the carbon-dense peat lands. At the end of 2009, it accounted for 8% of global carbon dioxide discharges. Such a state of things could hardly be a paradise for the animal kingdom. The famous Orangutan is holed up in diminishing enclaves – its habitat totally ruined – as there are almost no trees left on the Indonesian part of the entire huge island of Borneo (called Kalimantan here). Brutality towards animals in Indonesia is so common, that it does not raise any eyebrows in the cities or villages, anymore. From forcing monkeys to dance in the notorious traffic jams of Jakarta, their faces covered by plastic replicas of traditional Javanese masks, to the horrendous torture methods in halal slaughterhouses, that so outraged the Australian public that the government imposed a ban on the export of live cattle to Indonesia in 2011, despite the fact that the industry consequently lost hundreds of millions of dollars. The ban was a response to a huge wave of public and political anger following the broadcasting of a video taken by animal rights activists, of the brutal and unnecessarily painful handling and slaughtering of cattle. Rhinos are almost entirely poached out, with the exceptions of those few, hiding somewhere deep in the remaining facets of forests, of Sumatra and West Java. The Sea shores around Java are poisoned. The rivers, some of them infamously ranked as the most polluted waterways on earth, are clogged with garbage, causing floods during the rainy seasons, as very little water can manage to pass through them. No fish can survive in such an environment, as there are hardly any birds living around those enormous areas of Sumatra, Java and Kalimantan, once pristine rainforests, now endless plains covered by black toxic stains from palm oil and rubber plantations. The migratory patterns of the greatest lizard in the world – the Komodo dragon – had been interrupted. After UNESCO had declared the area a world heritage site, a land grab followed, locals were forced to leave by corrupt officials, and then the tourist industry launched its gold digging projects. In Sumatra, the remaining elephants, those great and gracious creatures, so much respected in many societies worldwide, are treated with spite and shocking brutality. Their paths have been interrupted, in fact the entire area that was just recently considered as their natural habitat, has been ravished, and irreversibly ruined. Some would say that this is a crime against the greatest mammals inhabiting dry land, but Indonesia is increasingly ignorant of the basic laws of human decency, and ‘crime’ is something that is defined capriciously, illogically. Mention the ‘torture of the animals’ here, especially in the villages, just to be confronted with cynical, and crooked smiles. People have been tortured; they have been tortured for decades. So what? Nobody cares! Why would anyone care about the animals?... [b]Some 15 years ago, I was covering the war in Sri Lanka. I was driving from Colombo to war-torn Batticaloa and Trincomalee, to one of the warzones. There was a checkpoint before the conflict area, and it was getting dark. A man in charge of the post, an army commander, a coronel, was absolutely mad, with bloodshot eyes and desperate look in his face. I had to spend one entire night drinking with him. He insisted, he barked at me: ‘We drink or you go nowhere!’ We drank. He was a mess: one of his fingers was missing; his wife had run away from him. But after he told me about his wife, all he wanted to talk about that night were elephants. Their fate appeared to be, at least to him, synonymous to that ugly war. He drank and then he cried, talking about elephants. Maybe he cried because of his wife or because of all those people that had vanished while he was in command around that area, but what he was actually saying was: “We ruined everything, mate. We even cut, and closed the paths of the elephants. It is the most terrible thing a man can do. They were walking here for millennia; they were here long before us. They are the true owners, a symbol of this land. Now we are shooting at each other where they used to walk in peace.” Intoxicated, in the middle of the night, I asked him: “So what do you do when this happens, commander? What do you do when the elephants go?” He leaned towards me, spitting words to my face: “I tell my men to bloody stop shooting!” “And ‘the others’?” I asked. “They stop, too. When the elephants go, we all wait!” Now I looked in the eyes of one of the Sumatra elephant, half-submerged in filthy water. These were very wise eyes, sad and pleading. It was a female elephant, chained. Not far from her was her baby, no doubt born in captivity. There, for some reason, I remembered that night in Sri Lanka and a half-mad commander. And after all those years I was suddenly overwhelmed with the feeling of certainty, that he was actually not mad, or not mad totally. I forgot so much about that war, but I still remember that night and Sri Lankan elephants emerging, like enormous spirits, from the impenetrable jungle. The commander was not fully mad; he knew he was committing crimes, and he was petrified. In a strange way, he was trying to appease the world, by sparing the elephants. But those spiteful ‘caretakers’ in Sumatra were thoroughly insane, involved in a dreadful project of destroying their own country, by torturing some of the most beautiful creatures born on these isles. They were doing it with no remorse, no understanding, and no compassion.[/b] http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/03/01/indonesia-they-also-murder-elephants/ [b]TOO MANY PEOPLE SLEEP WALKING[/b] N'

Catching up

9/06/2013They put Rudd back, what then? I have seen over and over, that the PM has put good policies in place. That the PM has good policies to take us forwarded. Many journalist say it is not her policies, or the installing of the policies as that is at fault, it is because she cannot sell the message. So, it seems one needs a slick salesman, that can sell rubbish, over one that delivers. I do believe this PM is capable of handing over, for the good of the party and nation, if she believe is would be in the interest of both to do so. The trouble she would have, to do so, would sell Labor and the nation out, even more. It would be an acknowledgement, that it is the media that controls politics in this nation. It would be giving into bullies. It would lead to a greater defeat for Labor, one I believe that would split the party, doing much ore damage than the DLP split. I, as a long time Labor voter would have to ask myself, what am I voting for. Sadly for many years of political insecurity, with the media and extreme right in charge. Now we have her being demonised as the ice maiden,. How can they do that, to what is obviously caring and warm woman. One who all that spend time in her company, acknowledge. Why do we in this country, not admire strong and gutsy women, along with strong and brave men. There is not one good argument for replacing Gillard with Rudd. There are many, not to do so. If one goes down, so be it, as long as they go down fighting. Looking at the media this week, they are more interested in saving their own skins, giving one last effort, pulling out all stops, to prove they have been right all along. Ignoring the fact, that three years later, the woman has got back into government, and is still standing. Why give up now. It has been a Marathon. What happens in marathons, when runners approach that finishing line. Many fall over, exhausted with the race going to the one that has the best endurance. No matter what they say about this PM, and government, it is still governing. legislation is still being passed. Agreements are being made. Policies are being evolved and promoted. Yes, governments get beaten. Does that mean they have failed. It is what they leave behind that counts. There is always another election to run. Yes they get beaten, only to come back at another time. That is democracy. I will once again ask. what has Rudd to offer, both in the short term, and the long time. I also ask, hope will many vote, if he was?

Ad astra

9/06/2013Janet Thank you for posting Bushfire Bill's always-entertaining comment, and for your Twitterverse. I find it horrifying that so much revolves around the polls. Commentators and politicians alike give them the status of a Nostradamus prophesy, and fashion their opinions and actions on them. For some, the hope is that current poll results will become a self-fullfiling prophesy. This is crazy stuff. Today I've been finishing off the next piece [i]What is the role of political blogsites[/i], which I will post this evening.

nasking

9/06/2013 SOMETHING I'VE BEEN POSTING ABOUT FOR AWHILE: [b]David Cameron is under pressure to force his chief election strategist, Lynton Crosby, to reveal the identity of his business clients as new details emerge of the way the Australian combines roles as the Tories' top political adviser with that of a commercial lobbyist. Crosby's position as the Conservatives' election guru – at the same time as heading his own communications, polling and lobbying firm, Crosby Textor, whose client list is not made public – is causing growing unease inside the party and the coalition, as ministers prepare to introduce sweeping new transparency rules on the role of lobbyists in public life. [/b] Labour and Tory MPs, backed by pressure groups, insisted that Crosby – who is due to address Conservatives in the House of Commons on party strategy – should have to reveal his clients under the planned clean-up of lobbying rules triggered by recent scandals. [b]Since the Australian was appointed by the prime minister last November to mastermind Tory tactics, having run Boris Johnson's successful campaign for re-election as London mayor last year, the government has abruptly dropped policies on minimum pricing for alcohol and cigarette packaging. [/b] [b]It had also put on ice plans for a register of lobbyists. While Cameron insists Crosby does not advise him on policy but only on political strategy, critics have raised questions about the impression of potential conflicts of interest. Crosby Textor has represented tobacco and alcohol firms and was involved with British American Tobacco when the company was opposing new rules on packaging in Australia.[/b] [b]Tory MP Dr Sarah Wollaston, who was angered by the dropping of minimum alcohol pricing by the coalition, said: "I think those lobbyists with roles at the heart of any party should have to reveal their major clients, and that includes Lynton Crosby."[/b] [b]The extent of Crosby's links with the Tory high command are raising fresh questions. He was recently invited by Boris Johnson on a five-day trip to the United Arab Emirates, and represented the UK arm of his company, CTF Partners, as one of a group of entrepreneurs trying to drum up business for the capital. Critics are asking why the London-based firm, which only employs about 15 people, was present when other of the capital's far bigger employers would have jumped at the chance to pitch for lucrative UAE contracts and meet some of the Gulf's richest entrepreneurs in the delegation.[/b] [b]The Observer has learned that Crosby hosted and funded a "networking dinner" during the visit to the Gulf and paid for the mayor to fly back to London in the middle of the trip so Johnson could attend Margaret Thatcher's funeral. The airline Emirates paid for him on the return leg back to the UAE. [/b] Johnson initially failed to register the flights from Crosby and Emirates within the specified 28-day limit, but did so later after questions were raised by Labour. . The mayor's office said the delay was an "administrative error". The leader of the Labour group on the London assembly, Len Duvall, said Crosby's presence on the trade mission was a disgrace: "Boris's choice of travelling partner was bizarre. Taking Lynton Crosby on this trip made no sense at all, it was blatant cronyism." The mayor's official spokesman said: "All of the delegation paid their own way, each attended some of the mayor's meetings and engagements and every member of the delegation, including CTF Partners, was there to help promote trade and investment between London and the Gulf by showcasing the expertise of London-based businesses, in order to drive jobs and growth in London." While there is no suggestion that Crosby has broken any rules, his position poses serious problems for Cameron whose government has, over the past fortnight, been forced to push forward new legislation for a [b]compulsory register of lobbyists. [/b] [b]Deputy prime minister Nick Clegg vowed to act[/b] after two Labour peers were suspended and another quit the Ulster Unionist whip over claims they breached parliamentary rules on links with lobbyists. The Tory MP Patrick Mercer also resigned the Tory whip over allegations he agreed to be paid £1,000 a day in return for using his position in parliament to get Fiji readmitted to the Commonwealth. [b]Last month Cameron defended Crosby's right to keep his clients secret. "He doesn't lobby me. [/b]He gives political advice so his work, his lobbying, the lobbying business is a matter for the lobbying business," Cameron told reporters. [b]Tamasin Cave, director of the campaign group Spinwatch, said: "It's just not tenable that someone who runs an international commercial lobbying business can be allowed to get so close to the heart of the British government. Crosby embodies the problem with lobbying: unfettered access combined with absolute secrecy. As a minimum, he must declare his clients."[/b] http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/jun/08/lynton-crosby-tory-strategy-lobbying-firm [b]NO LONGER EYES WIDE SHUT[/b] N'

Tom of Melbourne

9/06/2013The big difference between Rudd and Gillard (apart from asylum seeker and marriage policies) is that Rudd can either leave the ALP as a viable opposition or possibly steal a win. It is the difference between whether the ALP prefers to stick with Gillard and become a rump, out of office for 2 or 3 terms, or put up a respectable show and mount a credible challenge after a single term in opposition. Still if barrackers prefer the sterility of sticking to Gillard, that’s a matter for them. A Whitlam observed – “the impotent are pure”

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9/06/2013 WHO'S IN TONY ABBOTT'S INNER CIRCLE?: [b]Of those listed among Abbott’s inner ­circle of Pyne, Julie Bishop, Joe Hockey, George Brandis, Kevin Andrews, Warren Truss, Eric Abetz and Barnaby Joyce, six of the 10 are Catholics, and four of those six were, like Abbott, educated by Jesuits. This is a good result for a Jesuit education.[/b] His personal office, led by Peta Credlin – who combines a policy advisory function and executive responsibility – is regarded as effective by colleagues, although questions arise about Credlin’s own ability to combine both roles in government. In the successful Howard years, responsibilities for policy and making the trains run on time were divided between chief of staff (now Senator) Arthur Sinodinos and ­political director Tony Nutt. [b]Apart from Credlin in his back room, Abbott also has the services of Liberal Party director Brian Loughnane (Credlin’s husband) and pollster Mark Textor. [/b] [b]Textor’s role can’t be overstated – based, as it is, on relentless qualitative analysis of polling trends. Howard might have been accused of being poll-driven. Abbott is hardly less so. Abbott’s tenure as Opposition Leader has been marked by a disciplined adherence to themes generated by Textor’s polling, including hammering away at the government’s perceived lack of competence.[/b] Other significant figures in the Abbott back room include his press secretary, Andrew Hirst, and communications director, Tony O’Leary, a political warrior left over from the Howard years. Hirst is close to Abbott. He is well­regarded by the media. Completing Abbott’s various circles is an outreach to business. His announcement that former ASX chairman Maurice Newman would head a Business Advisory Council was designed to send a signal to business that an Abbott-led government was intent on making a virtue out of a consultative approach. http://www.crosbytextor.com/news/latest-updates/ ----- AND: [b]Crosby set up "Crosby|Textor" with Mark Textor in 2002[/b] AND: [b]According to investigative journalist Nicky Hager, Crosby|Textor is also an adviser to the Prime Minister of New Zealand, John Key. [/b] AND: [b]LYNTON CROSBY:[/b] [b]His tactics have included: During the 2001 Australian General Elections, Howard government ministers falsely claimed that seafaring asylum seekers had thrown children overboard in a presumed ploy to secure rescue and passage to Australia, and Howard, in the final days of the campaign, launched a slogan that later grew notorious: "We decide who will come into this country."[/b] WIKIPEDIA RETURN TO GROSS DAYS INDEED N'

Catching up

9/06/2013Who is living in fairy land now. Some let personal prejudices colour their judgment. There is no way, Rudd can lead the party to victory. He can only make them the target of ridicule for decades. Better to stand ones ground, go down fighting, with ones head held high. This has been a good government, that the Opposition feels the need to trash. It is not a disgrace to lose. It would be a disgrace to throw away ones reputation in doing so. One always lives to fight another day.

Tom of Melbourne

9/06/2013Here’s my tip for 14 Sep, the APA will lose with Gillard and you will be- • Blaming the media • Blaming Rudd and his backers • Blaming an uninformed public • Blaming Abbott for dusking commitments • Blaming miners for backing him The one thing you won’t be doing is pointing out the real reason for the demise of the ALP – [b]THE LACK OF COHERENT LEADERSHIP OF GILLARD[/b] Enjoy the sterility of being a rump opposition.

el gordo

9/06/2013 Borrowing one of ToM's dot points, I'll return it directly. * Blaming the monk for thinking global warming is 'crap'.

nasking

9/06/2013 [b]It is not a disgrace to lose.[/b] CU, do you like the idea of being in the wilderness for a decade...with LNP governments everywhere? Not me. Dumb stubborn stupidity methinks based on inability to COMPROMISE. FANATICISM can lead people over a cliff. Better to have some INFLUENCE...than nothing...on yer knees...or screaming INTO THE WILDERNESS. N'

nasking

9/06/2013 [b]What's really happening behind the fence of the Manus Island refugee centre? Dateline hears of attempted suicides and a lack of claims being processed.[/b] Listen: Who is blocking media access to Manus? Keep Out! Not a single journalist has been allowed into the controversial Manus Island detention centre in Papua New Guinea since it reopened to Australian refugees nine months ago. SBS Dateline's Mark Davis tries to change that and uncover what the Australian Government is hiding behind the security fence. In exclusive interviews with detention centre guards and an inmate, Mark learns of attempted suicides and self-harm among the desperate asylum seekers. "They go crazy, they start cutting themselves and trying to hang themselves," one guard tells Mark after agreeing to speak anonymously. One of the reasons, it emerges for the first time, is that there hasn't been a single processing interview to assess their claims since the centre opened last August. But in trying to gain access, Mark has to contend with having his footage deleted by the authorities, a bugged car and endless bureaucracy. http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1771646 CU, [b]SEEMS TO ME THAT REPUTATION YOU TALK ABOUT HAS ALREADY BEEN DUMPED. GRRR... [/b] BEAR ROAR: http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=eUk8OuF1C-A&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DeUk8OuF1C-A N'

Catching up

9/06/2013So what Tom What is your point. Some win, some lose. One thing I bet, if she loses, she will be fighting to the end. Yes, Tom, voters can get it wrong. Have not seen any evidence, that this PM is on the business of blaming anyone. Then, when one has the likes of Rudd in the wings, and a press corp after you everyday, one would not be surprised if th she did. Could also reasonably come to that conclusion. It does seem a little amazing, that many of that many of those press people are also saying the PM has done a good job, and has good policies. Her crime seems to be, she cannot get the message out. I suspect it is more likely, she shunned Murdoch and thwarted some of his plans. Now if she pulled back the NBN and allowed him the overseas ABC, she might be doing OK now. Wonder what happened at the one and only, short meeting the PM had with Murdoch, the first time she went to the USA. Would not surprised me, that Labor decided to put an end to the media attack, by feeding them false leads, encouraging to go overboard, bringing an end to the farce. Maybe Rudd is even in on the joke. Who knows, nothing makes sense at this time. Nothing would surprise.

Austin 3:16

9/06/2013Tis a funny thing ya gets a lot of bleating on this blog (justified I'll give you that) about how terrible an Abbott government will be. If you really truly believe that then you'd be barracking for a switch to Rudd. Hey Ad, If you want to know how somebody would vote why not just ask them ? And that essentially all the pollsters are doing "if an election was held today how would you vote" - kinda questions. Funny I've never the once heard you bag the "internal" polling that was used to roll Rudd it seems that your problem is the results of the polls not polls per se.

Jason

9/06/2013If you really truly believe that then you'd be barracking for a switch to Rudd. If Rudd comes back I'll resign from the party and join ToM of everywhere and not vote!

Catching up

9/06/2013No Nasking, I do not. What I am sick of being told it will be the end of Labor, if this occurred. Nasking, it is a fact of life, if one neglect their obligations, they have to suffer the consequences. Yes, some have to learn the hard way. I want Labor to win. I have also been around long enough to know, there is an election cycle. The choice is, we can be among the leaders in this Asia Century, or we can be the white trash of Asia, It appears we are heading for the latter. I would rather the first.

Jason

9/06/2013Funny I've never the once heard you bag the "internal" polling that was used to roll Rudd it seems that your problem is the results of the polls not polls per se. Austin 3:16 Funny I've never seen you offer to write such a post! I'm sure Ad astra would have allowed it!

Tom of Melbourne

9/06/2013 Rudd’s leadership would allow the ALP to retain the next generation of capability. Gillard continuing will bring about the demise of a range of careers and the eliminate basic capability of the caucus. It really doesn’t particularly bother me, but I would prefer Rudd because his return would cause a loss of control of the power brokers/hacks. That would be good for the ALP and democratic institutions. --- Jason, Rudd's return would have me cast my first formal vote for years, so there's no net loss if you give up.

Doug Evans

9/06/2013Janet and others I am surprised at the sentiment that now is not the time to engage in objective critique of political parties of whatever stripe (red, blue green or yellow). This suggests to me that folk believe they are engaged in some sort of sympathetic magic here. That the opinions expressed on sites such as this influence the behavior of voters and or politicians. I thought we were engaged in discussion to try and understand what is happening to us. To my mind there is a clear distinction between this and the activism that I might have engaged in until quite recently and which various contributors to these discussions are certainly involved with on behalf of the ALP. However I have no wish to disturb the peace of mind of people who gather here for discussion and mutual reinforcement. That will be severely disturbed soon enough anyway. I have enjoyed my exchanges so far with Jason, Tom, DMW and others and have found them informative. However I had been thinking that the length of response and the distance from the actual topic that I have sometimes felt it necessary to make meant that another way of communicating whatever I had to say that was: a. not brief b. not on topic would be handy. To that I will now add: c. likely to disturb the sensibilities of folks unwilling to face unpleasant home truths (at least just yet). Therefore possibly excepting the response we have been challenged by AA to give to his next piece, anything that I want to post in response to either articles or comments on this site that falls into the above categories I will signpost here on TPS but post on Earthsign blog http://duggyvans.blogspot.com.au/ at least until September 14. I have no idea whether any of you here will choose to go there and comment. I hope so. But at least you won't have to put up with me disturbing your apparently fragile peace of mind unless you choose to engage. I had intended to give blogging away. Anyone who goes to the blog and looks will discover why. But perhaps I can stimulate discussion this way without disturbing the locals.

Jason

9/06/2013ToM, Rudd whilst "popular" was useless as a leader! This new generation you speak of would stand for what? as soon as the polls got bad they would change their mind or leader. Surely not even you think that's the way to govern? Labor will be trapped as a party driven by polls and they will deserve that call. Democracy will be gone and leaders chosen by polls. Nothing will get done unless the polls approve

Austin 3:16

9/06/2013Hey Jason, Huh? I think that cute little tactic of yours has resulted in wee logical non sequitur this time around.

Austin 3:16

9/06/2013Hey again Jason [quote]If Rudd comes back I'll resign from the party and join ToM of everywhere and not vote![/quote] So in other words you're ok with the idea of an Abbott government in a little over 100 days. Fair enough, just don't complain when it happens.

Jason

9/06/2013Doug, If you must go so be it! I for one would prefer if you stayed and contributed as you do!

Ad astra

9/06/2013Doug Evans Before you quit blogging here, at least read the piece I will post this evening, which was written specifically to address the issue you posed two pieces back. It is titled: [i]What is the role of political blogsites?[/i].

Tom of Melbourne

9/06/2013That’s crap Jason. Gilard got the job because the hacks and warlords blinked when Rudd slipped to 52/48 2pp. Gillard was touted as a “vote magnet” and her only job was to win votes. She stood for fixing- • MRRT • Asylum seeker policy • Carbon policy She lost votes and she’s failed on the policies she promised to fix. If leaders fail, they should go. Leaders are supposed to get people on board with their direction, by articulating a plan. Gillard has proved to be incapable of the most fundamental of leadership skills. Time’s up

Jason

9/06/2013Austin 3:16, So the gist of what you are saying is should continue to pay my money to the ALP do all the unpaid work I do and say nothing about who should be leader all because Abbott might win? I suppose you can guarantee a Rudd victory!

Ken

9/06/2013Nasking, CU, Jason I would rather Labor win than have an Abbott government. As I have posted earlier, I think Julia has a chance of closing the gap before the election. However, there is a number of voters who will not approve of Julia now matter what she does. The last poll I recall showed the PM more popular than Rudd among Labor voters - but while the Labor first preference vote hovers around 30% and just above, that is not enough. The Libs would have all the comments that Ministers made about Rudd at his challenge to throw around. But just as Gillard has a hard-core of voters who will never approve of her, Rudd seems to have a hard-core of voters who will not disapprove no matter what. I think Gillard has a chance of winning but Rudd would increase that chance. I'm not saying I would agree with Rudd being handed the leadership (and that is how it would occur). Whether Caucus can live with his leadership is an issue. I imagine there would also be negotiations going on surrounding his leadership: I think many would want conditions surrounding it but Rudd may be just as likely to say he is the saviour and will, therefore, only take the job on his terms. Which argument prevails would shape the future (I would certainly prefer the former). Although Rudd has shown himself as a "rat", if he is necessary to thwart an Abbott government, then I am prepared to consider it. I would have preferred a Gillard-Rudd team taking the fight to Abbott but if that is not possible ... Yes, I am almost prepared to accept anything to keep Abbott away from the Prime Ministership. The only thing I don't like is that there are some signs of a nascent resurgence. If that grows then any new leader would claim the credit although Julia has done all the hard work. That would indeed be a shame.

Jason

9/06/2013ToM, "She lost votes and she’s failed on the policies she promised to fix. If leaders fail, they should go. " Rudd was a "failed" leader yet you want him back! climate change was "the greatest moral challenge of our time" and a few miners run some adds and Rudd went to water. Fail Fail Fail!

Doug Evans

9/06/2013Jason Just not wanting to give people indigestion. Perhaps I'll rethink. Perhaps blog both places. I've also been a bit encouraged by the odd request not to stop work on Earthsign and the fact that a couple of months after I last posted on the site just to say I was giving it away there is still a steady stream of hits on the site. Just printed out a copy of the 2010 Bracks, Faulkner, Carr review a couple of hours ago. Sobering reading. AA Depending on what you write I had intended (probably) to respond anyhow.

DMW

9/06/2013Hey Doug Evans, I totes agree with Jason @ 6:28 PM, I'd rather you stayed and ruffled a few feathers even my feathers :)

42 long

9/06/2013Not many psycho's and trolls here. Hang around doug. The greens are not perfect. I might vote for them in the senate, but I do wish they would do more to not help the dastardly abbott

Tom of Melbourne

9/06/2013Jason, and Gillard pushed him to abandon each of those positions. My support for Rudd is because- • Gillard was installed by warlords/hacks who represent no one • Gillard has proved to be attracted to duplicity and double dealing • Rudd would be likely to implement some necessary fundamental reform of the ALP • Even I would prefer the ALP not to be reduced to a rump, and out of office for several terms

Ken

9/06/2013A PS to my last post The other thing I don't like is that if Gillard is deposed, or if she leads Labor to a defeat, it will set back the chances of another female PM by a decade or two.

DMW

9/06/2013Speaking of ruffling some feathers, Braad Orgill, he of the BER Report fame, may ruffle a few with his latest collection of words. I haven't read it yet but this sounds interesting: [b]Why Labor Should Savour Its Greens [i]Rebuilding a Fractured Alliance[/i][/b] Brad Orgill, Scribe Publications [i]Australia is suffering from a crisis of confidence. Globalisation, deregulation, and privatisation have delivered economic growth and enhanced consumption for the past twenty years, but the effects of the 2007–08 financial crisis, rising inequality, job insecurity, and increased corporate power over voters and employees are all eroding our sense of democracy. Meanwhile, with an election looming, the future of progressive politics nationwide is deeply uncertain. The Australian Labor Party and the Greens are splitting the left-of-centre vote — the major party driven rightwards by an increasingly conservative swinging voter, and the minor party holding firm on vital but controversial issues.[/i] http://scribepublications.com.au/books-authors/title/why-labor-should-savour-its-greens/ Maybe there is something about Labor splitting itself into Red (rag) Labor, Blue (moon) Labor, Green (with envy) Labor and (somewhere in between the) Other(s) Labor.

Ad astra

9/06/2013Folks I have just now posted [i]What is the role of political blogsites?[/i]. http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/post/2013/06/09/What-is-the-role-of-political-blogsites.aspx

Jason

9/06/2013ToM, "Gillard pushed him to abandon each of those positions." And he was the leader! he should have lead. Have you noticed how Abbott with his "flawed" paid parental leave scheme has said to his party wtte "I don't care what you think" make it work! Rudd could no should have done the same!

Tom of Melbourne

9/06/2013I've been critical of Rudd for his over complication of language and his abandoning of his commitments. But there is a choice to be made, and Rudd represents the best opportunity for the ALP to remain relevant and for necessary basic reform. I'm already persuaded that he didn't show resolve on several issues. But the term "jelly back" should be applied to Gillard these days, she's just collapsed from every position. She's a weak leader and should go.

Catching up

9/06/2013Jason, it was Eve's fault that Adam was tossed out of Eden. Seems like nothing has changed, always the fault of the little woman.

DMW

9/06/2013So anyway with all the (media) talk of Labor fracturing and talk of those peeing from the inside and/or outside of the tent I've been doing a bit of digging and discovered there are some new factions within the party. There is a Rudd Upgrade Now Tent who have been titled the RUNTS and there is a Never Again Gillard Side known as the NAGS who are at odds with the RUNTS over who should be leader. But never fear the Centre Unity Neoliberal Tent members are still there and will be known as they always have been :P

Jason

9/06/2013Catching up, I'm sure there are some still questioning if it was the right thing to give women the vote! ToM, I'd rather take my chances with The PM! I have seen nothing in the last 3 years to convince me that Rudd has even changed or even made an attempt to change his ways. As I've said before the reform the ALP needs can't be done by Rudd.

Tom of Melbourne

9/06/2013On her own measure, Gillard is a failure, as a politician and a leader. Now she's determined to have her colleagues follow her over the cliff. Fine with me, but is is hardly an intelligent decision.

Austin 3:16

10/06/2013Hey Jason, You're a grown up right ? A reasonably functioning adult? I thought we should clear this up, 'cause adults tend to realise that life doesn't come with guarantees, things in the grown-up world are a teeny bit more complex than that. An Abbott victory is less probable with Rudd as PM than with Gillard as PM. IF you are against the notion of an Abbott victory then surely you would prefer the option that reduces that chances of that happening. But nope you'd rather bleat about irrelevancies. Tell me oh hard working due paying member how much did the powers that be consult you in 2010 before Rudd was rolled ? How much choice were you given about party leadership then? Gillard supporters have no right to complain should Abbott become PM, as much as anybody else they are helping it happen.
I have two politicians and add 17 clowns and 14 chimpanzees; how many clowns are there?