Living within our means, Hockey style

You have to give it to the Coalition propaganda machine – it never fails to come up with a brand new slogan with which it can belabor the Government. We are now being told by Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey that we must ‘live within our means’. How many times have we heard that? Otherwise, they tell us, there will be Federal Budget deficits ‘as far as the eye can see’. Can you count how many times you have heard that little gem?

Again, the ability of the Coalition’s media machine to devise catchy slogans is apparent. Who would want deficits for as ‘far as the eye can see’; who would object to the notion of ‘living within our means’? When you look at these words seriously though, you will see that they are, as usual, just more of the Coalition’s catchy, plausible, yet meaningless slogans.

What does ‘living within our means’ really mean?

It all depends on the time, and the circumstances. By using the phrase though, the Coalition is relying on the electorate giving it a tick of approval without asking what they really mean by it.

When the parents of baby boomers lived within their means they did so by saving until they had the cash for what they wanted. With no credit cards around, that was the only option. For a house they saved until they had a deposit and then approached the bank manager with trepidation for a house loan that often stretched over 25 years, with three-monthly repayments. They ‘lived within their means’ because there was no other option.

By the time Generation X arrived, living within one’s means morphed into paying off the required minimum on the credit card each month, which was often ‘maxed-out’. They bought what they wanted within the limit on their cards and hoped they could pay for it some time. They paid a lot of interest on the way, and some defaulted. For housing, banks were willing to lend vast sums to buy McMansions, leaving house owners to worry about every interest rate rise lest it tip them over the edge and leave them not living within their means.

These two times reflect quite different ways of ‘living within one’s means’. The Coalition is using this homely metaphor in the hope that older people will think of what was in their early years almost a ‘cash economy’, certainly for everything but buying a home, and will apply that image to the one and a half trillion-dollar economy that Australia has. It is a misleading analogy that the Coalition hopes will have older people nodding in approval – of course the country must live within its means, just like we did!

Yet, should voters think about it, most of them who own a home today did not pay cash for it – they borrowed money and paid it off over many years. If that is normal and OK for homeowners, why is government borrowing so ‘evil’, why is incurring debt such a terrible blight on government? It’s only so because the Coalition has said so. Humpty Dumpty Hockey has ensured that ‘living within our means’ connotes just what he wanted it to mean – out-of-control borrowing to fund profligate spending. He even uses the maxed-out credit card analogy.

Let’s then examine why government borrowing is in a category different from personal and household borrowing, and why placing them in the same class is misleading.

Joe Hockey would have us believe that running a $1.5 trillion national economy is not dissimilar from running a household budget. He would have us believe that borrowing and running up debt is bad in both circumstances, and that when the budget is not balanced his so-called ‘belt tightening’ is necessary, whether it be a household budget or a government one. That analogy is simplistic either by design, or because Hockey knows no better. As Hockey wants to be Treasurer, we can only hope it is not the latter.

Governments are responsible for maintaining the health of an economy, no matter what the global financial circumstances happen to be. When there is high debt, where expenditure has exceeded revenue, especially for a long while, there is a natural tendency towards ‘belt tightening’, contemporaneously styled ‘austerity’, to reduce expenditure, to lessen debt and to move towards balancing the budget. That has been a dominant school of economic thought during the current global financial crisis. However, notwithstanding that plausible strategy, austerity has not been a spectacular success where it has been applied.

Europe has been the test bed for the application of austerity, or to use Hockey’s phrase ‘belt tightening’. The economies of Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland, and more recently Cyprus, were jeopardized by chronic overspending, particularly on social services, generous pensions and the like, spending that was not offset by revenue. The very wealthy in some of these countries, Greece in particular, made an art form of tax avoidance, so tax revenue has been chronically below expenditure. I emphasize ‘chronically’, to highlight the fact that this is no temporary deficit, as is Australia’s. It was understandable that when these economies reached the point where default on debt threatened, bailout funding was sought to address this sovereign debt risk.

Taking Greece as an example, the Eurozone countries and the International Monetary Fund agreed on a €110 billion bailout loan provided Greece implemented austerity measures to restore the fiscal balance, privatised €50bn worth of government assets by the end of 2015, and implemented structural reforms to improve competitiveness and growth prospects. Similar arrangements were made with other countries in a comparable situation. Austerity was a key element.

It was always a controversial remedy; advocates and opponents disagreed passionately about its capacity to resolve the Eurozone state of affairs.

In his 28 April article in The New York Times: The Story of Our Time, Paul Krugman, Professor of Economics and International Affairs at Princeton University, wrote: "People like me predicted right from the start that large budget deficits would have little effect on interest rates, that large-scale “money printing” by the Fed…wouldn’t be inflationary, that austerity policies would lead to terrible economic downturns. The other side jeered, insisting that interest rates would skyrocket and that austerity would actually lead to economic expansion. Ask bond traders, or the suffering populations of Spain, Portugal and so on, how it actually turned out."

Even those of us who were not in touch with the detailed economic arguments for and against austerity, saw on TV the political upheaval and civil disturbances that followed the imposition of austerity measures, first in Greece, and later elsewhere. Despite the application of these measures for a long while, there is not much positive to show for them in economic terms, and in places like Spain, unemployment has reached 27%, with youth unemployment approaching 50%.

Another article in The New York Times that Krugman wrote earlier in the year: Austerity Europe, may be of interest to the technically minded as it includes a revealing graph of how austerity is accompanied by reduced, not increased growth. Regarding that graph, Krugman says: "In normal life, a result like this would be considered overwhelming confirmation of the proposition that austerity has large negative impacts. Yes, you can concoct elaborate stories about how it could be wrong; but it’s really reaching. It seems safe to say that what we have here is a case in which rival theories made different predictions, the predictions of one theory proved completely wrong while those of the other were totally vindicated – but in which adherents of the failed theory, for political and ideological reasons, refuse to accept the facts." The last sentence is telling – although experience has demonstrated the failure of the austerity approach, its adherents cling tenaciously to it, even to this day.

Since Krugman wrote that article, academic evidence devastating to the austerity approach has emerged. The intuitive argument for austerity and belt tightening has been underpinned all this time by a 2010 academic paper Growth in a Time of Debt by Harvard academics Carmen Rinehart and Kenneth Rogoff of the US National Bureau of Economic Research, a paper that purported to ‘prove’ that debt inhibited economic growth, and by implication, austerity promoted it.

Rinehart and Rogoff reported three findings; the first, the one that austerity proponents relied upon, read: "Our main findings are: First, the relationship between government debt and real GDP growth is weak for debt/GDP ratios below a threshold of 90 percent of GDP. Above 90 percent, median growth rates fall by one percent, and average growth falls considerably more.”

The austerity advocates in Europe grasped onto this paper to reinforce their intuitive approach to debt problems in the Eurozone, namely that debt above a certain level inhibits growth, and that austerity was the answer. But it was not just in Europe that the paper gained ready acceptance. It was cited by Paul Ryan, the 2012 Republican nominee for the US vice presidency, in his proposed 2013 budget The Path to Prosperity: A Blueprint for American Renewal. Did Joe Hockey also read the Rinehart Rogoff paper and use it to support his ‘belt tightening’ mantra? I wonder!

The paper held sway for a couple of years, then along came Thomas Herndon, a doctoral student at the US Political Economy Research Institute, who, as part of his studies re-examined the Rinehart Rogoff paper, and to his surprise found an elementary error in the Excel spreadsheet they used to calculate their results.

Writing in an article: The Reinhart-Rogoff error – or how not to Excel at economics in The Conversation, Jonathan Borwein and David H Bailey from The University of Newcastle reported that after analysing the data, Herndon identified three errors: “The most serious was that, in their Excel spreadsheet, Reinhart and Rogoff had not selected the entire row when averaging growth figures: they omitted data from Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada and Denmark. In other words, they had accidentally only included 15 of the 20 countries under analysis in their key calculation. When that error was corrected, the “0.1% decline” data [a key finding supporting austerity] became a 2.2% average increase in economic growth.” [My bolding.] "So the key conclusion of a seminal paper, which has been widely quoted in political debates in North America, Europe, Australia, and elsewhere, was invalid.” Herndon’s professors, Michael Ash and Robert Pollin, checked his findings and found Herndon had correctly identified the Rinehart Rogoff error.

The article in The Conversation concluded: ”If Reinhart and Rogoff…had made any attempt to allow access to their data immediately at the conclusion of their study, the Excel error would have been caught and their other arguments and conclusions could have been tightened. They might still be the most dangerous economists in the world, but they would not now be in the position of saving face in light of damning critiques in The Atlantic and elsewhere.

“As Matthew O’Brien put it last week in The Atlantic: “For an economist, the five most terrifying words in the English language are: I can’t replicate your results. But for economists Carmen Reinhart and Ken Rogoff of Harvard, there are seven even more terrifying ones: I think you made an Excel error.

“Listen, mistakes happen. Especially with Excel. But hopefully they don’t happen in papers that provide the intellectual edifice for an economic experiment – austerity – that has kept millions out of work. Well, too late.”

The Gillard Government is not an adherent of the austerity approach, at least in the extreme form that was applied in Europe, but if one can judge from Joe Hockey’s words and Tony Abbott’s mutterings, the Coalition is.

It seems as if it is the conservative side of politics that favours the austerity line of attack. We hear it from the Coalition, we see it in an extreme form in Campbell Newman’s Queensland, we see it applied in its grossest form in Europe, we see it in the US in the ongoing fiscal cliff debate where the conservatives (Republicans) insisted that radically cutting government expenditure (austerity) and leaving untouched tax breaks for the wealthy is the only way to go, whereas the progressives (Democrats) advocate the opposite.

And if you need any more convincing of this stark difference in attitude and approach to debt in the Australian context, do watch Friday evening’s episode of Lateline where economist Stephen Koukoulas, MD of Market Economics, debated ‘the health of the economy’ with Judith Sloan, academic economist and economics editor at The Australian. Koukoulas spoke like an economist, Sloan like a Coalition advocate, slogans and all.

What the voters in Australia will soon have to decide is whether they want to go down the austerity track – ‘living within our means’ Hockey style – as advocated by the Coalition, or whether they prefer the less radical approach of the Government to bring the budget back to surplus in a steady fashion, preserving jobs and economic growth in the process.

Putting it more bluntly, voters will have to decide whether they want to follow a process of austerity discredited by experience in Europe, now stripped of its intellectual underpinnings, or follow the less radical approach of the Gillard Government that seeks to maintain modest expenditure and stay away from heavy-handed austerity, and in the process enable our nation to avoid an economic downturn and rising unemployment, a process that is based on sound economics and proven practice.

Sadly, the loose language that the Coalition uses in this debate may seduce the unthinking into believing that their plausible but empty slogans are economically sound, and well tried and tested.


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Ad astra

5/05/2013Folks This piece seeks to expose the hollowness of the Coalition’s austerity push, which Joe Hockey seems to believe is necessary so that Australia can once more ‘live within its means’. Yet it is a discredited theory that has not worked in practice. Today on [i]Inside Business[/i] John Durie, [i]The Australian’s[/i] senior business columnist, reiterated that austerity is not working. Although Hockey seems to be pulling back from austerity in its extreme form, he persists with the concept. By claiming that only austerity can return us to living within our means, does he really believe that, or is he using that claim as yet another way of berating the Government’s ‘reckless spending and debt’? Who know what he really believes. If he wants to be Treasurer, to use one of Tony Abbott’s favourite phrases, he ‘needs to come clean’ on his reasoning.

Catching up

5/05/2013Once again, good summing up of present situation.

jane

6/05/2013Another fine post Ad astra. It is worrying when the likes of Joe Hockey still cling to the now discredited austerity theory and are champing at the bit to apply it here. No sensible person would advocate irresponsible spending, but by the same token, neither should we advocate wholesale unemployment with all its terrible social and financial consequences for the economy, the budget and the most vulnerable as a reasonable measure to "balance the budget". Likewise, the obsession with surpluses. AFAIC, there is absolutely no excuse for running surpluses at the expense of our education, communications, health and transport infrastructure. And I've never been able to understand why cutting tax to the wealthy while burdening the middle and low paid with high tax makes any fiscal sense whatever. The apologists claim that the wealthy pay more tax than the low paid and poor and are entitled to tax breaks. That may be so, but they also hold the majority of the income and wealth so that argument has no merit afaic. Like you, I'm afraid that a lot of people just accept the Liars shallow and flawed economic rhetoric and have been duped into thinking that government debt is the hallmark of a wasteful and extravagant government, while never considering what the government actually spends the money on.

lyn

6/05/2013Today’s Links The God Complex by @MrDenmore suits the media to turn every issue into a bipolar circus even if "the other side" is occupied exclusively by nutjobs, cranks and conspiracy theorists http://thefailedestate.blogspot.com.au/ On the table by @awelder there is nary a single pie-chart or histogram in what follows, it is far better researched, well-considered and more principled than the Hundred Brain Farts of a more lavishly-resourced outfit I could name http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/on-table.html The power of the “Gillard has rooned our country” fantasy by @jeremysear It’s not “boat people”, it’s not the “carbon tax”, it’s not “wasteful spending” – it’s challenges like housing affordability and a distorted two-speed economy. And these are things that would only get worse if the Liberals win government. http://anonymouslefty.wordpress.com/2013/05/05/the-power-of-the-gillard-has-rooned-our-country-fantasy/ Department of the Treasury - Australian Government : Tony Abbott's $15 billion worth of cuts to the bone by @ForTraders The Coalition's strategy of cutting services has been exposed in a remarkable admission by the Opposition Leader Tony Abbott in today's Sunday Telegraph. http://www.4-traders.com/news/Department-of-the-Treasury-Australian-Government-Tony-Abbott-s-$15-billion-worth-of-cuts-to-the--16810878/ The MSM’s NDIS: Make the frame, change the frame, WTFs the frame? by @geeksrulz I was fascinated by the media’s framing of the NDIS debate this week. Within 48 hours it moved from reporting a naked tax grab by the Prime Minister, to a worthy initiative when Mr Abbott put the national interest ahead of his political interest. http://australiansforhonestpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/05/04/the-ndis/ Have you heard the news about Rupert Murdoch? by @MigloMT Most of us relied on foreign news sites for what we lacked here: news. The dirty doings in the Murdoch world would be of no interest to the Australian public. Of course not. We don’t belong to the ‘need to know’ collective. http://theaimn.com/2013/05/04/have-you-heard-the-news-about-rupert-murdoch/ Disability Funding Triumph: Progressive Blogosphere Abdicates by @Kevin_Rennie In fact it seems that many have just accepted it as a political victory for Abbott, not a policy win for Julia Gillard's government. http://laborview.blogspot.com.au/ The economists’ error and the misguided push for austerity by Fabrizio Carmignani Economists will long discuss the mistake in the formula used by Reinhart and Rogoff. But those policymakers who are insisting on fiscal austerity as a way out of the European crisis are making a much bigger mistake http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/the-economists-error-and-the-misguided-push-for-austerity/ The Hierarchy of Political Pain” and “The Slippery Slope of Doom” by Gordon’s Thoughts Imagine a slippery slope. Now imagine it being used as a metaphorical communications system to destroy a political party and it’s leader’s credibility. I’ve used an upside down triangle to list in descending order behaviours the Liberal Party http://gordonsthoughts.wordpress.com/2013/05/04/the-hierarchy-of-political-pain-and-the-slippery-slope-of-doom/ Media Narrative by David Griffiths A common narrative in the mass media, for example, is that the Federal Labor Government will be defeated at the election on 14 September 2013 – based on the existing polls. But, then, the polls themselves are interpreted to conform to this narrative. http://www.australiasmassmedia.com/2013/05/04/media-narrative/ What Have We Done to Deserve This - by Therese Trouserzoff What is causing this madness ? Why are people supporting far right arsehats – the kind that our parents fought wars against ? I think it’s because as nations we are easily frightened and when we are frightened, we revert to type. Australians, in the main are sheep http://pigsarms.com.au/about-the-pigs-arms/ Christian vs God Squad in Australian politics by @YaThinkN the media keeps telling us, the Liberal National Coalition will be our new rulers come September - NOTE I personally would prefer that I and other Australians be given the courtesy (not to mention legal right) of actually VOTING http://yathink.com.au/article-display/christian-vs-god-squad-in-australian-politics,69 Abbott’s War of Class. by Truth Seeker The truth is that the ALP are trying to achieve balance in a system which has been sharply skewed in favour of the wealthy, to the detriment of the majority of Australian citizenry, http://truthseekersmusings.wordpress.com/2013/05/05/abbotts-war- Julian Assange Who Wants Him Dead? by @FairMediaAllian I became alarmed about something else – calls by politicians and journalists for Julian Assange to be assassinated. For the media to be used in this way, to incite murder, is truly appalling. http://fairmediaalliance.wordpress.com/2013/05/04/julian-assange-why-did-the-us-ambassador-lie-why-didnt-foreign-minister-bob-carr-challenge-him/ My views on Left and Right-wing thinking by @EmpoweringFem I would like the reader to assess which side they are on. Then decide which side is the most ethical, decent and humanitarian. Will the Right or Left save this beautiful planet? http://eleana108.wordpress.com/2013/05/04/my-views-on-left-and-right-wing-thinking-2/ TPP voting intention movements and polling house dispersion by @Mark_Graph the Bayesian aggregated Labor TPP vote estimate is within the 95% confidence interval for all but one of the bias adjusted polls (two polls prior to the max line on the third chart). This result was a touch better than I had expected from theory (but not implausibly so http://marktheballot.blogspot.com.au/ Why it'll be a near $10 billion deficit, with lots of small cuts by @1petermartin Two weeks ago Europe’s carbon price collapsed, robbing the budget of $5 billion per year after Australia links to the European carbon price in 2015. http://www.petermartin.com.au/ What is a Job Guarantee? by @billy_blog The topic of this blog is the concept of employment guarantees as the base-level public policy supporting a return to full employment in Australia. http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=23719#more-23719 Diability scheme has economic benefit by Crispin Hull NEARLY all major reforms in Australia are done by Labor Governments. From aged and widows pensions and the PBS in the 1940s, through to Medicare and racial-discrimination laws in the 1970s, economic liberalisation and universal superannuation in the 1980s and now the National Disability Insurance Scheme. http://www.crispinhull.com.au/2013/05/04/diability-scheme-has-economic-benefit/ Ghost of Costello haunts Swan's budget by @1RossGittins Iresponsibility for the present and future state of the budget has to be shared between Labor and the Coalition, remember the other irresponsible revenue decision Costello made when the government was temporarily flush with funds http://www.rossgittins.com/2013/05/ghost-of-costello-haunts-swans-budget.html Media Release by NBNCo The new locations were announced today at an event in Blacktown NSW to mark the connection of the first area of metropolitan http://www.nbnco.com.au/assets/media-releases/2013/national-3-year-update.pdf Today’s Front Pages Australian Newspaper Front Pages for 6 May 2013 http://www.thepaperboy.com/australia/front-pages.cfm

lyn

6/05/2013Good Morning Ad, Looks like the 4-Traders link has gone black on me. Would you post the new link for me please Ad. Department of the Treasury - Australian Government : Tony Abbott's $15 billion worth of cuts to the bone http://www.4-traders.com/news/Department-of-the-Treasury-Australian-Government-Tony-Abbott-s-$15-billion-worth-of-cuts-to-the--16810878/

lyn

6/05/2013No still turning black. One more try with a shortened link. Department of the Treasury - Australian Government : Tony Abbott's $15 billion worth of cuts to the bone http://goo.gl/cRcQi :):)

Gravel

6/05/2013Ad Astra Thanks for all your hard work and giving a clear idea of each parties ideals to handle the finances. This last almost six years will be looked at as a miracle and already has been applauded the world over. Sadly Aussies will get a taste of what those other nations are suffering. It will take a long time to recover in the event that the Nopposition get government.

janice

6/05/2013Good morning all. Great post as usual, Ad astra. The rusted-on LNP possibly believe all the drivel that flows out of the mouths of their leaders, and they only believe it because they've been conditioned not to think about it much, if at all. Then we have a big chunk of the population who are ignorant about anything other than football, sport or whatever goes on within their own backyards. These are the people targetted by abbott's sloganeering and the media's mis-information and bad journalism. I heard a bloke (a Queenslander) on talk-back radio the other day who said there is not a single Labor MP who has any experience in running a business (let alone a country). He went on to say that this country needs a Clive Palmer to run it - he is a billionaire and therefore if he can make billions for himself, then he'd know how to make the govt PROFITABLE. It is peabrains such as that man who swallows and digests absolute bullshit and, believe it or not, other peabrains listen and agree.

nasking

6/05/2013 AD, ANOTHER EXCELLENT POST. I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT POLLING...AND GOT TO THINKING ABOUT THE LATE IRVING SAULWICK: [quote]Saulwick became outraged at the Howard government's maltreatment of asylum seekers and refugees. When the opportunity came to assist the Justice Project, in which lawyers Kurt Esser and Julian Burnside joined Malcolm Fraser to campaign against these policies, he seized it with enthusiasm. It is certain that he never voted for Fraser but he came to admire him as a man of principle, just as he did the former Labor premier of Victoria, John Cain. His capacity to set aside personal preference and prejudice in favour of merit and principle enabled him to see all sides of an issue. Biased polling was anathema to him. When polling companies engaged in ''push polling'' or other unprofessional activities, he would flay them publicly on Crikey.com.[/quote] http://www.smh.com.au/national/obituaries/poll-pioneer-set-rigorous-standards-20120808-23ug7.html THERE WAS A TIME THAT POLLSTERS HAD DECENT STANDARDS AND ACTED ETHICALLY. THAT COMING FROM AN EDUCATED MALE ON SOCIAL MEDIA. :D N'

Ad astra

6/05/2013LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/LYNS-DAILY-LINKS.aspx

Ad astra

6/05/2013Hi Lyn I've used the link at 6.53 AM for the [i]Department of the Treasury - Australian Government : Tony Abbott's $15 billion worth of cuts to the bone[/i], and it works: http://goo.gl/cRcQi

Ad astra

6/05/2013Catching up, jane, Gravel, janice, nasking Thank you for your comments. You highlight a problem janice that defies solution, namely that much of the electorate is disinterested in what our politicians are doing. This morning there was a report of a University of Melbourne study that showed how disconnected people are. On can only hope that in the next four months there will be enough information promulgated to enable voters to make an informed decision on September 14. But after viewing last night the first half of the SBS program on Rupert Murdoch, which showed the way he has manipulated public opinion and therefore political outcomes at elections in three continents via his media empire, it left me wondering how voters will ever be given the accurate information they need.

nasking

6/05/2013 SPEAKING OF THE HOCKEY URGE TO CUT PUBLIC SERVANTS...WHICH SEEMS/SEEMED TO BE A DESIRE OF THE QLD NEWMAN GOVT, I FOUND IT INTERESTING THAT FOR MANY YEARS THE HOWARD GOVT'S EMPLOYMENT STATISTICS WERE HELPED BY THE FACT THERE WERE MANY ALP STATE GOVTS HIRING PUBLIC SERVANTS. IF THESE DOPES THINK THEY CAN TRASH THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF WORKERS JOBS WITHOUT SEVERE ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES THEY ARE DELUSIONAL. SO MANY EDUCATORS, FIREMEN, STATE COURT WORKERS ETC HAVE LOST THEIR JOBS OR HAD OURS SEVERELY CUT IN THE USA...THESE PEOPLE WHO WERE RELIABLE SMALL BUSINESS CONSUMERS AND HOME OWNERS HAVE STRUGGLED...IN TURN THE BUSINESSES THEY DEALT WITH HAVE STRUGGLED. THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN GROW AN ECONOMY IN A HEALTHY, SECURE MANNER BY DUMPING PROFESSIONALS INTO LOW PAID INSECURE JOBS COMPETING WITH THE LESS EDUCATED IS SICK. ONCE THAT CHINA SLO-MO CRASH TURNS INTO A RAPID DESCENT INTO RECESSION THERE WILL BE UNEMPLOYMENT FIGURES, SOCIAL INSTABILITY, CRIME, BUSINESS BANKRUPTCIES, HOMELESSNESS THE LIKES OF WHICH MOST UNDER 80 HAVE NEVER SEEN. IT'S TIME WE INCREASED THE MINING TAX...800 MILLION IS BETTER THAN NIL...BUT WE ONLY HAVE A FEW YEARS TO GO BEFORE THE CRAP HITS THE FAN... WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO INVEST IN DIVERSE ENERGY FORMS, THE NBN, ALTERNATIVE MANUFACTURING, EDUCATION AND TRAINING, MEDICAL & enviro & SPACE RESEARCH, LANGUAGE STUDIES, ENGINEERING ETC. SO AS TO PREPARE OURSELVES FOR THE WORST. RATHER THAN EDUCATION BEING ABOUT 'BACK TO BASICS' STUDENTS NEED TO BE ADAPTABLE PROBLEM SOLVERS...EXTREMELY HI-TECH PROFICIENT...WITH AN UNDERSTANDING OF BOTH SELF-SUFFICIENCY AND TEAM WORK. TEACHING KIDS HOW TO BUDGET AND SPEND RESPONSIBLY SHOULD BE PRIORITISED. AND THEY COULD LEARN HEAPS FROM THE LIKES OF 'GARDENING AUSTRALIA'. TOLLERANCE OF DIFFERENCE WILL BE ESSENTIAL...HARD ECONOMIC TIMES CAN BRING PLENTY OF SOCIAL DIVISION. THEY MUST ALSO LEARN MORE ABOUT MEDIA ETHICS AND SOCIAL MEDIA ETHICS...BE MORE EMPOWERED. A SECULAR SOCIETY IS ESSENTIAL..DOMINATION BY ANY PARTICULAR RELIGION OR MOVEMENT WILL LEAD TO FURTHER DISHARMONY IN DIFFICULT ECONOMIC TIMES. MY WIFE WENT TO A CATHOLIC SECONDARY SCHOOL HERE IN QLD DURING THE 80s AND SHE FOUND IT TO BE A WARM, ENCOURAGING, ROUNDED EDUCATION WITHOUT TOO MUCH EMPHASIS ON RELIGION...BUT RATHER PROMOTING EGALITARIANISM AND RESPECT FOR ONE ANOTHER...AND NOT JUDGING BASED ON DISADVANTAGE, RACE ETC. IT SEEMS OBVIOUS TO ME THAT THE TIME FOR UPPER MIDDLE CLASS WELFARE MUST END...AND INCREASES IN TAXES MUST PROVIDE FREE AND AFFORDABLE ESSENTIAL SERVICES THAT ACT AS BUFFERS, HEALERS AND OPPORTUNITY PROVIDERS SO THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT FALLING THRU THE CRACKS AND TURNING TO A LIFE OF CRIME, ADDICTION AND/OR BECOMING DISENGAGED FROM SOCIETY. FOR THE STATE TO MOVE AWAY FROM THESE RESPONSIBILITIES AND HAND THEM OVER TO PRIVATE COMPANIES THAT HAVE INTERESTS OVERSEAS THAT COULD BE UNSTABLE, DODGY, TAX AVOIDING, CRIMINAL, DECIETFUL IS THE HEIGHT OF IRRESPONSIBLY...AND WILL ONLY SERVE TO CREATE MAYHEM AND UNNECESSARY COSTS DURING HARDER TIMES. AGED CARE ANOTHER TOP PRIORITY. LOOK TO SCANDINAVIA. N'

TalkTurkey

6/05/2013Again Ad astra you astonish me. I had no idea of *the Reinhart-Rogoff Error* and never would have except for you. You have influenced my thinking more than anyone else over the last Parliamentary period. Perhaps because you so perfectly express and thereby reinforce my own thinking, rather than changed it, but you have also extended me, and enhumbled me too, in a good way I mean. TPS achieves on many fronts, your own articles channelling our thoughts and writings usefully, giving us opportunity to let off blood pressure, informing us of concepts such as astro-turfing and Reinhart-Rogoff Errors, and more. But its greatest benefit is that under its wing has safely nestled Lyn, whose work in daily presenting everybody with all the best that is on offer in the entire polliversal 5th Estate, is more valuable than any single contributor could ever be. Except for you Ad of course, because without TPS none of us would be here. It is a great burden I know, but you do it wonderfully. Nasking just a hat tip to you, you are surely our most peregrinaceous poster, reminding us often that there is a lot of world that we on TPS fail to notice, we are so preoccupied with the skirmishes in the political *war* going on here. WAR it isn't. Let's hope it doesn't come to that. These Papists are bloody EVIL. [i]Did everybody else know that Murdoch was made a Papal Knight? [/i] [See here's one of Lyn's Links that I'd never have read but for her. (TXXX Lyn.) I've cut-&-pasted it from above because yous all oughter read it imo. (On ya Migs, U R 1 of my fave raves.)] [i][b]Have you heard the news about Rupert Murdoch? by @MigloMT[/b] Most of us relied on foreign news sites for what we lacked here: news. The dirty doings in the Murdoch world would be of no interest to the Australian public. Of course not. We don’t belong to the ‘need to know’ collective[/i]. theaimn.com/.../ If I did (I think maybe I did but) I've forgotten. RULED BY ROMAN CATHOLICISM? NO THANKS! [i][b]STOP THE PLOT![/b][/i]

Tom of Melboune

6/05/2013Ad Astra has lost the plot, and the logic, he really provides too much material to deal with, so just this one – [i]” they borrowed money and paid it off over many years’[/i] • How many people are better off with debt than without debt? • Has high debt cause a better community? • Do people have more confidence with debt or without debt? • Is it sensible for people to accumulate debt when it is not necessary? • Should people make significant efforts to lower their debt levels? • Is there mortgage stress? • Has high debt been a contributor to inflated housing prices? It is so typical of Ad Astra that he will use bland analogies that don’t make any sense when tested.

Patriciawa

6/05/2013As always my day begins here with you, Lyn, and this morning we have a great new post from Ad Astra too. Many thanks to you both getting me moving. e.g. Ad Astra, now you have me frightened. Joe's had his belt tightened. Seems it was done by surgical operation. Is this what's planned for the nation...............well it's a start! 7.30 Time for Tacker's walk

Pikiranku

6/05/2013Here's a little anecdote to brighten up your day ... We've just had a young technician from Adelaide in here sorting out our TV aerial so we get a better digital reception (all done under a government scheme to help out the oldies - thank you, Julia). There wasn't a heap he could do, our area being notoriously problematic, but when I suggested that what we needed ASAP was the NBN so we could stream our TV through our computer, he totally agreed. From our discussion of the NBN it emerged that he and all his mates are no longer going to vote for the LNP, solely on the basis of their Fraudband policy. Made our day!

nasking

6/05/2013 CHEERS TT. GRACIAS FOR THE SUPPORT. I AGREE THAT BEING RULED BY ROMAN CATHOLICISM WOULD BE DISASTROUS. MY APOLOGIES FOR SO MANY SPELLING ERRORS AND SUCH ABOVE...EYES AND BRAIN FATIGUED. SHOULD READ: FOR THE STATE TO MOVE AWAY FROM THESE RESPONSIBILITIES AND HAND THEM OVER TO PRIVATE COMPANIES THAT HAVE INTERESTS OVERSEAS THAT ARE POTENTIALLY UNSTABLE, DODGY, TAX AVOIDING, CRIMINAL, DECEITFUL IS THE HEIGHT OF IRRESPONSIBILITY...AND ONLY SERVES TO CREATE MAYHEM AND UNNECESSARY COSTS DURING HARDER ECONOMIC TIMES. N'

Michael

6/05/2013Abbott is on record as describing his continuously worn white shirt and a blue tie wardrobe as his "uniform". A Prime Minister in waiting who prefers to wear a uniform. White shirt. Brown shirt. Black shirt. The man's a twerp!

nasking

6/05/2013 [b]Sadly, the loose language that the Coalition uses in this debate may seduce the unthinking into believing that their plausible but empty slogans are economically sound, and well tried and tested. [/b] AD, INDEED. TRICKY, SLY CHARACTERS TRYING TO PULL A FAST ONE. TOO MANY IN THE MSM ARE LETTING THEM GET AWAY WITH THIS SCAM. THEY WILL COP THE BLAME BIG TIME WHEN THIS LYING GROUP OF ECONOMIC MORONS TAKE US INTO A RECESSION...AND LEAVE THE NATIONAL ASSETS CUPBOARD BARE...THE OVERSEAS INTERESTS FLEEING WITH THE PROFITS...LEAVING US LUMBERED WITH THE HUGE COST OF MAINTENANCE, REBUILDING, REPAIRING THE ENVIRONMENT, CLEANING THE AIR, LAND AND WATER...AND LAW SUITS. NOT TO MENTION HAVING TO CATCH UP. WE WILL NOT FORGET. N'

Truth Seeker

6/05/2013Ad, a very interesting read, and a scary proposition for Australia if the incompetent Hockey gets his hands on the purse strings. As I have mentioned on my blog, my sister in England, who never talks politics, is now bringing up what the UK Tory's are doing every time I speak to her. She is appalled at the way the lower socioeconomic demographics are being beaten up by austerity measures. Hockey's use of the maxed out credit card is a prime example of his dishonesty and misleading language, as any who have a credit card know that the interest rates on credit cards( of anywhere up to 22%+) make it a lifetime prospect of paying out a maxed out card, when the interest rate that the government would be paying with the AAA rating would be well below 5%. It is also telling that there is right wing speculation about us losing the AAA rating because of the deficit, when the truth is that we were awarded the rating while we had a deficit… Go figure? Thanks again Ad for your fine article, and keep up the good work :-) Cheers :-) :-)

nasking

6/05/2013 [b]A Prime Minister in waiting who prefers to wear a uniform.[/b] MICHAEL, TELLS YOU A LOT ABOUT THE MAN. MORE OF A CONTROL FREAK I IMAGINE THAN SOME MIGHT THINK. THO, I IMAGINE HE LEAVES MUCH OF THE HEAVY LIFTING TO HIS TWO WIVES (SO TO SPEAK)...THE ONE AT HOME...AND THE ADVISOR. I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF THEY ARE THE GLUE THAT HOLDS HIM TOGETHER. I RECKON HIS THOUGHTS ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE...AND THEY ARE THE ONES WHO FOCUS HIM...EVEN PROVIDE HIM WITH MORE COHERENT IDEAS. IN FACT, IT MAKES ME WONDER IF ABBOTT'S PAID PARENTAL LEAVE SCHEME IS HIS WIFE'S IDEA...??? BTW, NOT SURE IT'S A GREAT IDEA FOR A MALE LEADER TO HAVE TWO WIVES...THE TENSION HEATS UP OVER TIME. N'

nasking

6/05/2013 AD, [b]IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHAT LEVELS OF DEBT MURDOCH, RINEHART, FORREST, SINGLETON, PACKER AND OTHER MEGA-RICH HAVE HAD OVER THE YEARS... AND IF THEY FELT THEY NEEDED TO LOAN LARGE AMOUNTS AT TIMES REGARDLESS OF INTEREST PAYMENTS IN ORDER TO GROW AND EXPAND THEIR BUSINESSES? I FIND IT AMUSING WHEN POLITICAL PARTIES FART ON ABOUT DEBT ONLY TO LEARN THEY ARE THE VOICES FOR MASTERS WHO ARE COMPLETE AND UTTER HYPOCRITES.[/b] N'

Ad astra

6/05/2013Talk Turkey Thank you for your most complimentary remarks. I’m glad this piece made some sense out of what is a complex subject. Indeed, it is this very complexity that makes discussion, even amongst well-educated economists, so problematic. In February 2009 a piece I wrote titled: [i]The problem with economists[/i] began: [i]”The central problem with economists is that not one of them fully understands how the world economy came to be in the mess it’s in. They can give partial explanations that describe a series of events and actions that have brought us to where we are, but these explanations are always incomplete. The complexities of national economies and how they interact is so bewilderingly multifaceted, the intricacies of the interactions among the myriad of variables so byzantine, that the human brain is incapable of comprehending them. Only a powerful computer would be capable of processing the millions of bits of information involved, and even if that were available, inputting the relevant data would be an overwhelming task. Anyone familiar with systems theory and chaos theory will understand this. So economists have to do the best they can with the limited information they have at their disposal and the inadequate processing capability available. So we ought not to be too critical of their inability to give us unassailable insight and clear direction. “But an even greater problem with economists is that some are unaware of the problem just described. They exhibit a sad unawareness of their own professional ignorance of the complexities involved and their own inadequacies. The only thing that’s more damaging than ignorance is unawareness of that ignorance. This is compounded if the unawareness is accompanied by an erroneous belief in one’s understanding and competence. Some commentators on matters of economics are too willing to pontificate as if they really understand. This serves only to mislead those who listen to them. Occasionally an economist will admit that no one fully understands how we got into this financial crisis, how to adapt to it and how to counter it. We should be pleased rather than critical when Government spokespersons concede that the situation is exceedingly complex, not fully understood, and that proposed actions are by no means certain to work. ‘This is not a silver bullet’ is an oft-repeated phrase. There are commentators in business and in the media who concur, but there are as many smart-alecs who believe they know best and that proposed actions ‘won’t work’ or are ‘reckless’, are ideologically ‘outdated’, or more stridently, ‘stupid’. These people are a hindrance to rational debate.”[/i] http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/post/2009/02/18/The-problem-with-economists.aspx A comment by ToM highlights this: “[i]Ad Astra has lost the plot, and the logic, he really provides too much material to deal with…”[/i] and then goes on to give his simplistic assessment of the debt phenomenon. It is this smart-alec approach that bedevils sensible discussion. To ToM, it’s all so simple. This piece attempted to explore the austerity approach, and offered data from actual experience (for example, Paul Krugman’s ‘Austerity and growth’ graph in his article [i]Austerity Europe[/i]), http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/23/austerity-europe-2/ and then showed that even the theoretical underpinnings that seemed to exist in the Rinehart Rogoff paper turned out to be invalid, partly due to a significant error in their Excel calculations. It seems that leaves the proponents of austerity, Europe style, with no leg to stand on, and calls into question the validity of Hockey’s austerity measures. Of course we have only Hockey’s vague words, and await the details of how he would have this nation ‘live within its means’. All we have as an example is what Campbell Newman’s LNP has done in Queensland, and it’s ugly. I don’t make this stuff up. I use what seems to me to be accessible, reliable sources to develop an argument. I’m not alone. Writing in [i]Business Spectator[/i], Stephen Grenville in an article titled: [i]How economists perpetuated the great recession[/i] says, among other things: http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/4/25/global-financial-crisis/how-economists-perpetuated-great-recession [i]“It can be argued that the economists' views, whether right or wrong, were not central to the austerity debate, which took place at a political level. In the US, in particular, it was a doctrinal debate about the proper size and role of government. Economics (eg. the Rinehart and Rogoff analysis) was just a handmaiden of politics. “But this lets economists off too lightly. Keynes made the point long ago: "the ideas of economists and political philosophers, both when they are right and when they are wrong, are more powerful than is commonly understood." Good economists know that nothing is certain and everything depends on everything else. They know the weakness of their analytical tools and resist the temptation to enshrine ambiguities with the false precision of models or with the blinkered certainty of doctrine. “Economists have to resist the demands of politicians who want simple arguments ('one-handed economists') powerful enough to confound their opponents and sway the public. Economists need to respond quickly to unfolding events and stand ready to take the defence attributed to Keynes: "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?" “Rinehart and Rogoff's mistake was to draw strong conclusions from muddled data and sloppy technique. They were too ready to accept a result that fitted their preconceptions. If we argue that it didn't matter, then we downgrade the role of academic analysis in policy-making. This leaves the field open to Keynes' "madmen in authority".[/i] Since some perpetually criticize our Treasurer, the following paragraph from the same article is worth a read: “[i]The IMF is not alone in re-positioning. Larry Summers now thinks the 2009 Obama stimulus was too small, shifting his alliterative advocacy from 'timely, targeted and temporary' to 'speedy, substantial and sustained'. Australian Treasurer Wayne Swan agrees, urging less austerity for Europe.[/i]” It seems Swan was right after all. Read more: http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/4/25/global-financial-crisis/how-economists-perpetuated-great-recession#ixzz2STLRXcHU My wish is that the man who wants to be Treasurer, a man who so much and so often enjoys berating his counterpart, would come out with a comprehensive, considered statement about the pros and cons of what he styles ‘living within our means’, the in-practice evidence to support it, the intellectual underpinnings that shore it up, and precisely how he would apply his plan. All economists agree that returning to surplus in the medium term is what is needed for our nation. Extreme austerity that inhibits growth and increases unemployment, seems not to be the answer. What we want from Hockey is precision about how he would tackle returning to surplus, and the consequences of his intentions.

Catching up

6/05/2013Wonder how much debt was involved, enabling Clive Palmer and his ilk to make the fortunes they have. Debt is OK when it comes to the household budget. Essential when it comes to business. Bad, when it comes to government. Why has there not been an outcry over the NSW's plan for Manly Hospital. Especially so, when one recalls the disastrous Mcquarie Hospital, which cost the taxpayer much to buy back.

Ad astra

6/05/2013Patriciawa I [b]am[/b] frightened by what Joe Hockey says, so vague and imprecise. As mentioned in my comment above, I what to know exactly what he intends, and wonder how long ne can get away with the perennial excuse – ‘I don’t know the state of the books’. Pikiranku That’s an encouraging anecdote!

nasking

6/05/2013 THIS IS BRILL AND THOUGHTFUL: [b]FIRST DOG ON THE MOON'S SPOKEN CARTOONS[/b] http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/05/03/first-dog-on-the-moons-spoken-cartoons/ COOL. N'

nasking

6/05/2013 [quote]AND IF THEY FELT THEY NEEDED TO LOAN LARGE AMOUNTS AT TIMES REGARDLESS OF INTEREST PAYMENTS IN ORDER TO GROW AND EXPAND THEIR BUSINESSES? [/quote] ARRGHHH...MY BRAIN IS STUPID THIS MORNING. SHOULD BE: BORROW LARGE AMOUNTS... N'

Ad astra

6/05/2013nasking Thank you for your kind words. Wouldn’t we all love to know how these mega-rich handle debt? It may be an inapplicable analogy to use about government debt, but we do know that their immense wealth has accrued [b]because[/b] of borrowing, usually wise borrowing. Debt is their welcome handmaiden. Truth Seeker Thank you too for your remarks. Your anecdote about your sister in England highlights how important it is for politicians to use precise language, free of political overtones when placing their economic strategies before the public. But that seems to be an impossible ask. Politics and political point-scoring so contaminates almost everything they say, that truth is lost among the half-truths, the vague statements, the deception, and the downright lies that escape their lips day after day.

Sir Ian Crisp

6/05/2013[quote][b] In his 28 April article in The New York Times: The Story of Our Time, Paul Krugman, Professor of Economics and International Affairs at Princeton University, wrote: "People like me predicted right from the start that large budget deficits would have little effect on interest rates, that large-scale “money printing” by the Fed…wouldn’t be inflationary, that austerity policies would lead to terrible economic downturns. The other side jeered, insisting that interest rates would skyrocket and that austerity would actually lead to economic expansion. Ask bond traders, or the suffering populations of Spain, Portugal and so on, how it actually turned out." [/b][/quote] Mr Krugman has his detractors. [quote][b] Niall Ferguson to Paul Krugman: You’re Still Wrong About Government Spending The Harvard University history professor and author of "The Great Degeneration: How Institutions Decay and Economies Die" and “Civilization: The West and the Rest” says Krugman’s pro-government spending thesis not only fails to address the core problems facing the U.S. and Europe today but also has dire consequences for individuals living in these economies. “You can’t borrow trillions of dollars a year for the rest of time,” Ferguson says in an interview with The Daily Ticker at the Milken Institute Global Conference 2013. “Once a government gets to a very very high level of debt, the risk is very small increases in borrowing costs which create a vast ocean of red ink. So that risk is not negligible. Very large debts do not simply disappear by magic.” Ferguson argues that Carmen Reinhart’s and Ken Rogoff’s conclusions about the relationship between high debt and low growth are still true. The two Harvard economists had to defend their seminal 2010 paper "Growth in a Time of Debt" after three University of Massachusetts academics “correctly identified a spreadsheet coding error that led us to miscalculate the growth rates of highly indebted countries since World War II,” according to Reinhart and Rogoff. (Lawmakers across the world cited their work as justification to institute austerity policies; they argued that economic growth slowed after a country's public debt equaled 90 percent of its GDP). [/b][/quote] Come in out of the cold Ad Astra; life as a rain dog is not a pleasant one.

Catching up

6/05/2013Years ago, while living in the western suburbs of Sydney, I took to reading foundation stones on many buildings, including public hospitals. What was bought home to me, was the great number, that had the name Jack Lang, on them. Yes, that infamous depression time PM that was deposed by the governor. So hated, that the far right actually took up arms. Added to his accomplishments were the Harbour Bridge and the electrification and extension of the city's rail network. I am not an apologist for Lang. Just stating a fact. We can then move on to the days of Paul Keating, and the RED scheme. Once again, an expensive effort to claw back the unemployment figures after another financial collapse. From that, in the western suburbs we still have numerous recreation areas and parks that are still used today. Merryland and Milpera come to mind. Before that, school kids, for outings, where taken to places like the dusty Campbelltown Showground. Nothing was available in the region. Beaches where a couple of hours away. I have not even mentioned the many achievements of Whitlam, in less than three years. It is funny, even the Stimulation money, improve the lot of people, when in every suburb, councils where able to put in place high quality playgrounds, that are used every day. Last night's show on Murdoch and his relationship with Whitlam was an eye opener. It was nice to hear that Whitlam did not cave into Murdoch, even if it meant his demise. I wonder if that is why this PM is reluctant to have any contact with Murdoch. The difference between the RED scheme and the stimulation was that the stimulation money was spent before people were thrown out of work, and businesses collapsed.

nasking

6/05/2013 THIS FROM WIKIPEDIA: [quote]Austerity programs can be controversial. In the Overseas Development Institute briefing paper "The IMF and the Third World" the ODI addresses five major complaints against the IMF's austerity 'conditionalities'. [b]These complaints include these measures being "anti-developmental", "self-defeating", and "they tend to have an adverse impact on the poorest segments of the population". In many situations, austerity programs are implemented by countries that were previously under dictatorial regimes, leading to criticism that the citizens are forced to repay the debts of their oppressors.[/b] [b]Economist Richard D. Wolff has stated that instead of cutting government programs and raising taxes, austerity should be attained by collecting (taxes) from non-profit multinational corporations, churches, and private tax-exempt institutions such as universities, which currently pay no taxes at all[/b].[/quote] IN SOME WAYS WE ARE THE SERFS... THE BIG CORPORATIONS (OFT MULTINATIONAL) AND THE WEALTHY WHO USE THEIR INFLUENCE TO GET HANDOUTS...BENEFIT FROM OUTSOURCING & PRIVATISATION...USE WELL-CONNECTED LAWYERS AND ACCOUNTANTS TO TAX DODGE...USE POLITICAL CONTACTS TO GET LUCRATIVE CONTRACTS...THE LIST GOES ON... IT IS THEY WHO ARE OUR OPPRESSORS. [b]IT IS MANY OF THEM THAT SUPPORT AUSTERITY MEASURES INCLUDING JOB CUTS, RAISING THE RETIREMENT AGE, REDUCING COMPANY TAX RATES, FREEZING WAGES AND PENSIONS WHILST REDUCING PUBLIC SERVANT WORK HOURS...PRIVATISING PORTS, RAIL AND ROADS...REDUCING AND OUTSOURCING PUBLIC HEALTHCARE...INCREASING PBS FEES...SELLING OFF SCHOOLS AND SCHOOL LAND...AND SO ON...[/b] ENUFF...IS ENUFF. [b]POWER TO THE PEOPLE[/b] N'

nasking

6/05/2013 [quote]Wouldn’t we all love to know how these mega-rich handle debt? It may be an inapplicable analogy to use about government debt, but we do know that their immense wealth has accrued because of borrowing, usually wise borrowing. Debt is their welcome handmaiden.[/quote] INDEED AD...INDEED. DON'T FORGET...THERE ARE SOME WHO PREDICT THAT ONEDAY CORPORATIONS WILL REPLACE STATES. LET'S HOPE NOT. I WOULD HATE TO LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE EVERYONE WEARS A MCDONALDS' UNIFORM...AND PRAYS TO A CLOWN...KIDS GETTING FRIES, MILKSHAKE AND BURGER FOR LUNCH AT SCHOOL...PLAYING WITH RONALD ON THE COMPUTER AT HOME LEARNING TO DO NUMERACY AND BUDGET BY HOW MUCH IT TAKES TO BUY A MEXICAN WORKER TO WORK IN AN ABATTOIR...HOW MUCH A FAST FOOD FARMER NEEDS TO GROW TO SUPPLY SO MANY THOUSANDS OF CRATES OF POTATOES...AND SO ON... IMAGINE THE UNITED STATES OF APPLE, MCDONALDS, COCA-COLA, CHEVRON AND GOLDMAN SACHS? SHIVER. ALMOST THERE. N'

Tom of Melboune

6/05/2013• When do we have enough debt? (are we there yet?) • The government is using debt for recurrent expenditure. Would Ad Astra care to explain how this is a little different from a mortgage? False and stupid analogies abound. Nothing unusual in that here.

nasking

6/05/2013 AHHH...HUBRIS: [b]Nigel Farage has opened the door to an electoral pact between his UK Independence Party and the Conservatives – but said that Tory MPs would have to oust David Cameron as their leader first.[/b] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-opens-door-to-ukip-pact-with-conservatives--but-only-if-david-cameron-is-ousted-as-leader-8604371.html [b]We've seen the hubris. And now we're seeing the scandals. [/b] David R Gergen TICK TOCK... OH HOW THE MSM PACK DOES LUV TO FEED IN THE UK. N'

nasking

6/05/2013 I HAVE A FEELING THE MSM HERE ARE WAITING TO FEED ON ABBOTT. THEY WILL HAVE PLENTY TO FEED ON. SADLY, I FEAR IT WILL BE TOO LATE FOR AUSTRALIA'S WELLBEING. N'

nasking

6/05/2013 INDEED: [b]It should be the mark of a civilised society that it takes care of its most vulnerable members. For this reason alone, a national disability insurance scheme merits the bipartisan political support it enjoys. Its eventual passage through Parliament - assuming that happens - would count as a major social reform. The scheme would significantly improve the lives of the disabled and their carers.[/b] [b]And yet, our debate about the NDIS reveals something less than edifying about our political culture. One in which economic prosperity has bred a certain decadence and has corrupted our sense of civic responsibility.[/b] Reforms tend to be born of necessity; rarely are they delivered by the relaxed and comfortable. Ever since Julia Gillard proposed a 0.5 percentage point increase to the Medicare levy to help fund the NDIS, there have been questions. How will we pay for it? Can the average Australian household afford to cop at least $350 a year? [b]Does the NDIS involve a form of ''reckless democratic socialism, which will ultimately sap prosperity'', as the economics correspondent of The Australian has suggested?[/b] [b]There has certainly been pointed hostility from the Australian business community to a levy increase. The chief executive of the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry, Peter Anderson, labelled the NDIS a ''gilt-edged scheme''. Myer chief executive Bernie Brookes complained that the levy increase was something that would hurt his company's profits: it was money that consumers would have spent at its stores.[/b] ...Admittedly, any increase in the Medicare levy won't be sufficient to fund the NDIS. More money will have to be found elsewhere. This should come from savings and not just taxes. And all this will have to be done at a time when the federal government's revenues are in structural decline. As the Prime Minister flagged last week, her government will have to take some ''urgent and grave decisions'' and put ''every reasonable option on the table'' in order to make up revenue shortfalls. Maybe, just maybe, this will include long overdue steps to abolish wasteful tax breaks such as negative gearing and fuel tax credits for companies. According to the Australian Tax Office, more than 1.2 million property investors claimed an income loss of an average $10,950 in 2010-11. It is difficult to determine exactly how much tax revenue is forgone because of this - but this involved $13.2 billion of tax losses in 2010-11. Fuel tax credits, meanwhile, are estimated to have cost $5.5 billion in 2011-12. There is no doubt bleak budget talk has spooked many, but perhaps there is something in the moment upon which Gillard and her government can seize. As Fairfax Media commentator Jack Waterford has rightly observed, ''there is a window of opportunity in which a reborn adventurousness and apparently confident ministry could suddenly acquire optimism, idealism and a focus on legacy''. Machiavelli famously counselled political leaders to know that sometimes it is better to be daring rather than cautious. Fortune bends to audacity. When done right, boldness is rewarded in politics. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/when-did-the-lucky-country-become-selfish-20130505-2j120.html#ixzz2STzCLlxM COURAGE NEW LAND N'

nasking

6/05/2013 LYN, WHAT TREMENDOUS WORK YOU HAVE DONE ON OUR BEHALF. I WILL ENDEAVOUR TO WORK THRU THE LINKS YOU HAVE KINDLY PROVIDED. MUCH READING AHEAD. I HAVE SHARED THE USEFUL MR DENMORE POST ON FACEBOOK. UNTIL LATER. CHEERS N'

MWS

6/05/2013The WA Liberal/National coalition government came to office in 2008, when State debt was $3.6 billion. It is expected to reach $14.4b by July 2013, and increase to $19.9b in 2014. I don't remember the conservatives complaining about the high level of debt in WA, and it didn't get much of a run during the March 2013 election. Why is the Federal Government's debt such a big issue? Perhaps people in other conservative-led states can inform me how their governments are handling their state debts?

MWS

6/05/2013Link to numbers in previous comment: http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/8864825/state-debt-tipped-to-hit-20b/

Michael

6/05/2013And here, front and centre, the real Malcolm Turnbull. http://www.afr.com/p/technology/turnbull_brands_conroy_grub_in_nbn_M5ncrhYb4idW3K9nuMKBzH Whoever coined "Abbott in Armani" got it right. Turnbull is Twerp #2.

nasking

6/05/2013 MWS...GOOD POINTS... OF COURSE WE MUST REMEMBER THAT WA IS RUN BY [b]HOLIER-THAN-THOU LIBERAL COLIN BARNETT WHOSE SH*T DON'T STINK[/b] HE OF [i]THE MIGHTY SOOK ORDER[/i]. [quote]I MUST GET MY WAY...I MUST I MUST I MUST!!![/quote] N'

nasking

6/05/2013 ECONOMIST JOHN QUIGGIN: [b]Thanks to the dominance of tax-cutting dogma over recent decades, there’s no shortage of options to raise additional revenue. The first would be to scale back the tax cuts for high-income earners originally proposed by Howard in 2007 and adopted in large measure by then prime minister Kevin Rudd. Increasing the top marginal rate of tax to 50% and applying it to income over $150,000 would recapture only a small part of the increased share of income that has gone to those in the top 1 or 2% of the income distribution. Nevertheless, it would be sufficient to raise close to 1% of GDP per year over the next few years. Then there’s a laundry list of concessions and tax expenditures such as the the Seniors’ Tax Offset and the abolition of income tax on super fund earnings paid to people over 60. Together with earlier decisions to halve the rate of capital gains tax and end the indexation of petrol tax excise, economist Saul Eslake lists these as “the dumbest tax decisions of the last 20 years”. Again, it would not be hard to find 1% of GDP here...[/b] More here: http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/05/06/fantasy-budget-economist-john-quiggin-is-treasurer-for-a-day/ GOOD TO SEE SO MANY USEFUL IDEAS BEING PUT FORWARD. N'

Ad astra

6/05/2013Folks As Sir Ian seeks to quote Niall Ferguson, Laurence A. Tisch Professor of History at Harvard University, as one with the authority to rebut the views of Paul Krugman, cited in this piece, let’s look at Ferguson’s background. Here’s what Wikipedia had to say: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niall_Ferguson Anyone who has absorbed his very readable: [i]The Ascent of Money: A Financial History of the World[/i], and watched his informative television series on the same subject, would know that this man is a formidable authority on finance. His attitude to John Maynard Keynes would also be apparent. So it ought not come as a surprise that he disagrees with Krugman’s writings, which endorse a Keynesian approach. Ferguson’s virulent opposition to Keynesianism is apparent from his utterances about Keynes, most recently in the last couple of days, where he told “[i]…an investment conference of financial advisers and investors in the United States that influential 20th century British economist John Maynard Keynes’ economic philosophy was flawed because it was shaped by his homosexuality and the fact that he did not have children.”[/i] , This is a replica of what he said in the early nineties. Sir Ian may care to read more about what [i]Business Insider Australia[/i] had to say about the recent episode: http://au.businessinsider.com/niall-ferguson-on-keynes-and-his-sexual-orientation-2013-5 And how [i]Forbes[/i] reported it: http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/05/05/niall-fergusons-keynes-was-childless-gay-so-dont-worry-about-the-long-term-rumpus/ And [i]BRW[/i]: http://www.brw.com.au/p/leadership/public_niall_ferguson_stupid_comments_Abz6Gk1qZMwAkHBGTFH6VM Sir Ian may also care to read Ferguson’s apology: http://www.niallferguson.com/blog/an-unqualified-apology I post these links, not to ‘prove’ that Krugman is right and Ferguson wrong, but simply to point out that mere rebuttal of Krugman’s views on austerity by an anti-Keynesian like Ferguson, ‘proves’ nothing. Sir Ian is entitled to post his opposing views, and quote any author he chooses to make his case, but I do wonder why he needs to infer that somehow I am in no man’s land on this matter with his gratuitous concluding sentence: “[i] Come in out of the cold Ad Astra; life as a rain dog is not a pleasant one.”[/i] That sentence spoils the whole thrust of his comment and destroys the possibility of rational debate. Pity!

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6/05/2013MWS I wonder why increasing debt in WA seems to be accepted as OK, but not in Canberra. The State Political Editor at [i]thewest’[/i], Ben Harvey, makes no adverse comment about it; I wonder why? Michael There can be no real debate between Malcolm Turnbull and Stephen Conroy. The antagonism is too great. Which is a pity, as it exposes the electorate to partisan rhetoric rather than facts and logic on an important subject about which we need sound information. nasking John Quiggin is sound and worthy of attention.

Sir Ian Crisp

6/05/2013[quote][b]Folks As Sir Ian seeks to... [...] Ad astra [/b][/quote] I'll see your BRW, Forbes etc and raise you. Here's yet another Krugman detractor. [quote][b] What Paul Krugman Gets Wrong About Austerity, Estonia, and Government Spending [...] Not surprisingly, some people disagree with my analysis. Paul Krugman of the New York Times criticized Estonia yesterday, writing that the Baltic nation suffered a “Depression-level slump” in 2008 and has only managed an “incomplete recovery” over the past few years. He blames this supposedly weak performance on “austerity.” I have a positive and negative reaction to Krugman’s post. My positive reaction is that he’s talking about a nation that actually has cut spending, so there’s real public-sector austerity (see Veronique de Rugy’s L.A. Times column to understand the critical difference between public-sector and private-sector austerity). This is a sign of progress. In the past, he launched a silly attack on the U.K. for a “government pullback” that never happened, so what he wrote about Estonia at least is based on real events. My negative reaction is that Krugman is very guilty of cherry-picking data. If you look at the chart that accompanies his post, Estonia’s economic performance isn’t very impressive, but that’s because he’s only showing us the data from 2007-present. [...] http://www.policymic.com/articles/9410/what-paul-krugman-gets-wrong-about-austerity-estonia-and-government-spending [/b][/quote] Don't be a rain dog AA. Come in out of the cold. Klugman's opinion doesn't make him right. Did borrowings and spending (the Krugman formula) make our esteemed treasurer promise to create 500,000 jobs? They haven't materialised yet.

nasking

6/05/2013 THIS FEDERAL LABOR GOVT HAS BEEN FORCED TO DEAL WITH LIBERAL NEGLECT...AND CARROT MESSES: - LACK OF INVESTMENT IN ESSENTIAL INFRASTRUCTURE - POOR DEFENSE FUNDING DECISIONS - HANDOUTS TO THE WELL-OFF - LUMP SUM BABY BONUS CREATING MANY POOR YOUNG MOTHERS - POOR SUPERANNUATION DECISIONS - PARTICIPATING IN STRATEGICALLY DUMB WARS THAT DISPLACE MANY PEOPLE - LACK OF NATIONAL DISABILITY SCHEME - RAMPANT LIVE EXPORTING OF ANIMALS INADEQUATELY REGULATED - ABC LEARNING CHILDCARE IMPLOSION - DISINTEREST IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS...NOT ASSISTING WITH DISADVANTAGED STUDENTS - NO NATIONAL CURRICULUM - STALLING ON MURRAY-DARLING ISSUES - POOR INTERNET SPEEDS AND LACK OF ACCESSIBILITY FOR MANY IN RURAL, REGIONAL AREAS - EXCESSIVE AND EXPENSIVE USE OF CHRONIC DENTAL SCHEME BY WELL-OFF - PERMITTING HOUSING BOOM TO CREATE TOO MUCH PERSONAL DEBT AND UNAFFORDABLE HOUSING - ABUSE AND EXPLOITATION OF WORKERS UNDER 457 VISAS AND WORKCHOICES - STRIPPING ELDERLY OF HOMES FOR AGED CARE - SOCIAL DISHARMONY CAUSED BY DOG WHISTLING - LOW INDIGINEOUS MORALE DUE TO LACK OF RECONCILIATION...NO SORRY...USE OF TROOPS - LACK OF MOVEMENT ON TAX FREE THRESHOLD THE LIST GOES ON AND ON... SHADOW IMMIGRATION MINISTER SCOTT MORRISON IS DEMONSTRATING A GREAT DEAL OF GALL AND HUBRIS BY STATING "THE LIBERAL PARTY CLEANS UP LABOR MESSES"... THAT'S FOR DAMN SURE. N'

nasking

6/05/2013 ADD: - TAKING A BILLION OUT OF PUBLIC HEALTHCARE - LACK OF AFFORDABLE GENERIC DRUGS AVAILABLE N'

nasking

6/05/2013 FURTHERMORE: - INADEQUATE INVESTIGATIONS INTO DRUGS IN SPORT - PERMITTING COVER-UP OF CATHOLIC CHURCH AND OTHER INSTITUTIONAL CHILD ABUSE - LACK OF MINING TAX - SLACK ON ALTERNATIVE ENERGY N'

nasking

6/05/2013 YAWN! MSM STUCK IN A GROOVE. N'

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6/05/2013Folks Sir Ian is running out of contrary views to refute Paul Krugman. This time he quotes Daniel J. Mitchell who is touted as “[i]…a top expert on tax reform and supply-side tax policy. Mitchell is a strong advocate of a flat tax and international tax competition. Prior to joining Cato, Mitchell was a senior fellow with The Heritage Foundation, and an economist for Senator Bob Packwood and the Senate Finance Committee.[/i] His views on tax point to his ultra-conservatism. What is The Heritage Foundation? “[i]It is an American conservative think tank based in Washington, D.C. Heritage's stated mission is to "formulate and promote conservative public policies based on the principles of free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a strong national defense". The foundation took a leading role in the conservative movement during the presidency of Ronald Reagan, whose policies drew significantly from Heritage's policy study Mandate for Leadership. Heritage has since continued to have a significant influence in U.S. public policy making, and is considered to be one of the most influential conservative research organizations in the United States.”[/i] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation To Sir Ian raising me, I say: ”So what?” And he couldn’t resist repeating his gratuitous backhander. If he can’t argue his case without that sort of disagreeable behaviour, why should I bother with him? I thought that this time he was entering into a rational debate, but never mind!

Tom of Melbourne

6/05/2013"simplistic' The most simplistic and inaccurate comments here compare government debt to mortgages and that of business. Households are particularly unwise to fund their living expenses by increasing their credit card debt. But that's esentially what the government is doing. Businesses might fund their capital expansion through debt, but they fo broke of they borrow to fund their operating expenses. But that's what the government is doing. So many false, dumb analogies here.

nasking

6/05/2013 AN INFORMATIVE POST ON THE PRESSURES THAT COME WITH USING DRONES IN THE FOREVER WAR: [quote]Virtually unnoticed are those who are riveted to computer monitors here for hours at a time, the fast-paced pressure they endure, the demand for perfection and the constant risk of error in this new form of warfare: digitally-enabled high-altitude strikes managed from thousands of miles away. Theirs are the unseen faces of Obama's drone war, a generation of Americans who are every bit engaged in combat even if they are not ducking incoming rounds and their fatigues are not soaked in the sweat and dust and blood of Afghanistan. The human stress, senior commanders here acknowledge, is "extremely high." When a U.S. special operations forces team is poised to raid a suspected insurgent compound, when a Marine squad in Afghanistan is alerted to an ambush, when a gathering of men identified as terrorists disappears in the bloom of an explosion in Pakistan, these analysts likely played a key role. And with the White House driving an exploding demand for more flights by reconnaissance and attack drones, an increasing burden is falling heavily on the enlisted Air Force men and women here -- "airmen," in official terminology -- often just a few years out of high school. The stress is already so high that concerned commanders have assigned a psychologist and a chaplain with top security clearances to work full time inside the facility. The drone war is in full swing. U.S. armed drone strikes are reported to have killed more than 2,500 Taliban, al Qaeda and other extremist leaders in Pakistan alone. But in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia, drones strikes have killed an estimated 900 civilians and injured more than 1,200 civilians since 2002. In Afghanistan, the military struck at targets 494 times last year with armed drones, according to data that has since been removed from the Air Forces Central Command website. Information on the number of Afghan civilians killed in these strikes is anecdotal, but powerful. These attacks are often portrayed as a highly technical, robotic form of warfare. But behind every strike are hours, days and even weeks of surveillance and analysis by the airmen who work inside this Air Force Distributed Common Ground Station. It is the largest of five globally networked facilities that receive and analyze the data flowing back from drones and manned spy planes like the venerable U-2, and then package the intelligence for operations. Senior Air Force officers acknowledge that in this vast, darkened room where hundreds of analysts struggle to keep up with the deluge of data, the potential for error -- the possibility of taking innocent life -- is ever-present, just as it is in ground combat operations. "Burn-out is obviously a big concern for us," said Air Force Col. Mike Shortsleeve, a veteran intelligence officer who commands the 497th Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Group that mans and operates the center here. Air Force researchers and others who have studied the airmen here know that the stress and tension that build during weeks and months of staring at monitors can lead to loss of concentration. What is not clear is whether fatigue plays a role in the tragic errors that occur in wartime, as happened in the NATO air strike in Aghanistan earlier this month that reportedly killed 11 children. [/quote] MUCH MORE HERE...WORTH READING ENTIRE ARTICLE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-wood/obama-drone-war_b_3149660.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009 WHY DOES THIS DRONE WAR BRING TO MIND NOVELS 'ENDER'S GAME', 'SPEAKER FOR THE DEAD' etc...??? CHILL UP SPINE. N'

Tom of Melboune

6/05/2013No doubt Ad Astra is a better medical practitioner than he is a political or economic analyst. He simply doesn’t understand that debt for routine expenses is poor policy in almost any circumstance, while debt to fund necessary capital and infrastructure programs may be good policy. Ad Astra compares debt to cover routine government expenses to debt for asset acquisition by households (a mortgage for a house), others speculate about how some rich people used debt. Rich people aren’t rich if they’ve used debt to fund their routine expenses. Rich people become bankrupt people if they do that. Ad Astra and others should try some “thinking”

lyn

6/05/2013Hi Ad, Thankyou for your new article “Living within our means Hockey Style”. You never fail to delight us all, you call the other blogs “Today’s Links” delicious, your writing is delectable. Ad in your comment @ 12.40pm to Patricia “I am frightened by what Joe Hockey says, so vague and imprecise”. I had to go shopping this morning. When I got home, of course on goes ABC24 . Joe Hockey was doing a Presser. In answer to a question on Abbott’s PPL. This is what Hockey said [quote]“ I said, what I said, about what I said,” [/quote] This is me saying that is what he said. Interesting links here: TheFinnigans Turnbull confirmed LNP will adopt the discredited Austerity Policy - http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/coalitions-malcolm-turnbull-says-he-can-make-no-promises-on-abc-sbs-funding/story-fn59niix-1226635950058 Zac Spitzer ‏ The audience understood that, there was no applause after Hockey finished his explanation of the PPL scheme http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/05/06/liberal-paid-parental-leave-scheme-is-just-welfare/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter … Mari R ‏ http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/17029189/lib-mp-rejects-abbott-parental-leave-plan/ … Even Yahoo is reporting the LNP dissent over Abbott's brain fart PPL for" rich women" [quote]NBN debate turns into slanging match, The Telegraph [/quote] The row escalated after Mr Turnbull suggested Senator Conroy had been incompetent during negotiations with Telstra over access to its copper network for the NBN. Mr Conroy responded by questioning advice that Mr Turnbull gave in the late 1990s during his time as a corporate lawyer. A clearly angry Mr Turnbull retorted: "You are so desperate that all you can do is smear and abuse. "That's the best you can do. You poor fellow. "[b]You're such a mess, you're such a grub, Stephen. You're such a sad figure." [/b]http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/nbn-debate-turns-into-slanging-match/story-e6freuz0-1226635957208?sv=47fb800fb3390ac2a618f05e852a5391#.UYcddOqAMtY P ‏@_P_November Why is Abbott still leading Libs? Absolutely nothing to offer. Abbott facing party revolt over key policy http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/abbott-facing-party-revolt-over-key-policy/story-e6frf7kf-1226635749098?sv=1ad6f1d755d77770d324f465f1864b07#.UYbmoMey_Sk.twitter … Talk Turkey 09:17 AM thankyou for your lovely words. True “without TPS none of us would be here”. TT we all trying hard to STOP THE PLOT!. Patricia, thankyou to you, as always lovely to see you here. Pikiranku love what those technicians had to say to you, just proves all these polls are not accurate, because if those technicians said that, there would be many, many, others of the same opinion. Michael like your name “Twerp”, pretty apt description seeing it means silly, weak-minded, or contemptible person. Uniform how ridiculous, as Nasking said “tells us a lot”. Lotto accusing Julia yesterday of wanting to create a monument with her NDIS, so is he creating a monument with his PPL scheme, calls it his sovereign policy. Nasking Thankyou ♥ You said “ I HAVE A FEELING THE MSM HERE ARE WAITING TO FEED ON ABBOTT”. I am hoping it is not too late, you watch Abbott splatter as it is beginning to happen now. I will laugh if he has to change his Sovereign Policy. See he wedges himself and he would hate with all hate having to back down. :):):):):):)

Jason

6/05/2013Tom of Melboune I look forward to reading a comprehensive report on your blog ! do you care to give the link again?

nasking

6/05/2013 CHEERS LYN. IGNORE THE ESSENTIAL,POLL. THE LEVY WILL GROW ON VOTERS. THEY HAVE BEEN GETTING TOO MUCH BS INFO...THE VIEW WILL SHIFT. EVENTUALLY THE APPROPRIATE INFO WILL BREAKTHROUGH. HOLD STEADY. N'

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6/05/2013Hi Lyn As you can see, I’ve been busy writing today, so I’ve only now finished your beautiful links. I’ll start with the one in [i]Independent Australia: The economists’ error and the misguided push for austerity.[/i] http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/the-economists-error-and-the-misguided-push-for-austerity/ For those like Sir Ian and ToM, who still want to argue the toss about the dire effects of extreme austerity applied over the short term as distinct from steadily decreasing debt in the medium term while sustaining growth and employment, this article is a must-read, and the first YouTube video essential viewing. The concluding paragraphs tell the story: “[i]The policy implication of Reinhart and Rogoff, which also arises from Herdon, Ash and Pollin’s analysis, is that countries should avoid excessively high debt to GDP ratios in the [b]long term. This does not require fiscal austerity, especially during cyclical recessions.[/b] [My bolding] “In fact, the most effective way to maintain the debt to GDP ratio under control is to adopt a countercyclical fiscal policy. This means that in times of recession, fiscal policy should be expansionary (lower taxation, higher expenditure); conversely, in times of expansion, fiscal policy should be contractionary (higher taxation, lower expenditure). “The countercyclical use of fiscal policy guarantees that the deficits realised during recessions are compensated by the surpluses realised in expansions, so that there is no long-term accumulation of debt. “Moreover, such a countercyclical fiscal policy would help stabilise the cyclical fluctuations of the economy, with positive effects on the long term growth potential of the economy. Economists will long discuss the mistake in the formula used by Reinhart and Rogoff. But those policymakers who are insisting on fiscal austerity as a way out of the European crisis are making a much bigger mistake — a mistake that cannot be blamed on Reinhart and Rogoff.”[/i] Ross Gittins is sound, as usual, but the Coalition won’t have a bar of the argument that Costello/Howard largesse at a time of high revenue was the precursor to today’s financial situation. The article in [i]Four Traders[/i] is revealing, another must-read. http://goo.gl/cRcQi Near the end we read: “[i]Today's admission has exposed Tony Abbott's fiscal strategy - he means savage cuts across the board. Such austere measures would slow the economy to a standstill at a time when we should be supporting jobs.”[/i]. Economically I believe they have it right, but I think they have got it wrong about Tony Abbott; it is more likely that: “Today's admission has exposed Tony Abbott's fiscal ignorance.” I doubt if he knows what he’s talking about. That’s scary. Truth Seeker says it so well in verse: [i]Abbott war of class[/i]. http://truthseekersmusings.wordpress.com/2013/05/05/abbotts-war-of-class/ And isn’t Mr Denmore always a good read! I wonder what journos make of his writings. Thank you for your kind comments about this piece at 5.07 PM, and your additional links. There seems to be little doubt that austerity is on the Abbott/Hockey agenda. Heaven help us all. Again, thank you for this brilliant reading. What would we do without you?

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6/05/2013jason Shall we leave ToM to his belief that his understanding of economics is superior to mine and those I quote in this piece and in comments. Nothing will change his mind.

Catching up

6/05/2013Listening to ABC 24. Yes, it is all about living within our means. What no more "big tax"

Bilko

6/05/2013AA Another well put together post. Mention of the Euro problem, Greece, Cyprus etc prompted me to ask my brother in Law in the UK via skype last night about the bedroom tax I keep hearing about. It is a case of the Conservatives kicking you when you are really down. It goes like this IF you are a person on benefits dole/social security whatever AND in government housing, if you have a spare/not used bedroom you have to pay this tax. Have you ever heard anything like it the Poll tax was a disaster. One of my other in laws son's committed suicide worrying over it even when his dad had helped him pay it during an earlier crisis. This is the all caring Conservative's, makes Thatcher the milk snatcher, look like Mother Theresa.

jane

6/05/2013NAS' @1.42PM, HOW RIGHT YOU ARE. IT'S LIKE A RERUN OF THE NORMAN CONQUEST. THE ROBBER BARONS COME IN, TAKE WHAT THEY LIKE AND WHEN THEY STUFF UP THEY'RE THERE WITH THEIR GRUBBY PAWS OUT SCREAMING FOR PUBLIC MONEY. AND AS ALWAYS, IT'S THEIR VICTIMS WHO HAVE TO PICK UP THE BILL, WHILE THEY SKULK OFF, MANSIONS, LEER JETS, FLASH CARS AND SWISS BANK ACCOUNTS INTACT. AND NOW THE ARCHITECTS OF THE GFC, SITTING ON THEIR YACHTS GUZZLING CHAMPAGNE AND CAVIAR, ARE ALL IN FAVOUR OF AUSTERITY MEASURES FOR THEIR VICTIMS. HOW ABOUT A BIT OF AUSTERITY FOR GOLDMAN SACHS, THE KOCH BROTHERS AND OTHER ROBBER BARONS? HOW ABOUT THEY PAY BACK ALL THE PUBLIC MONEY THEY SIPHONED UP? HOW ABOUT THEY TAKE A TAX HIKE INSTEAD OF THE PEOPLE WHO CAN LEAST AFFORD IT? HOW ABOUT [b]THEY[/b] CLEAN UP THEIR MESS FOR ONCE? CREATORS OF WEALTH, MY @RSE. CREATORS OF MISERY AND POVERTY, MORE LIKE. Ad astra, SIC is not interested in rational debate, nor is he open to the idea that an opposing view can possibly have any merit. He is also unlikely to accept that using austerity measures as a tool for growth has been discredited no matter what the proof. I also found Niall Ferguson's tv series [i]The Ascent of Money[i] very enjoyable, but disagreed with some of his views. I must be a Keynesian at heart. :) I do find it quite bizzare that Ferguson thinks Keynes' ideas are flawed, not on an intellectual level or lack of knowledge in his chosen discipline, but because of his sexual orientation and lack of children. Not having children and/or being gay strikes me as two of many things which would have absolutely no bearing on economics. Weird! I think the deafening silence wrt WA's debt has more to do with hypocrisy and keeping the public as ignorant as possible, than anything else. You can hardly bang on about the Gillard government being poor economic managers when all the Liars run states are known to be in increasing debt. That high moral ground would be pretty crumbly. It is something that the government should bring to voters' attention, perhaps.

jane

6/05/2013Hi Lyn, just a thank for all your luscious links. My only criticism is it takes me so long to absorb them, I have hardly any time for housework. lol I thought Turnbull took the biscuit wrt being an abusive grub. Conroy hardly managed to squeeze in a word! Turnbull is up to his old tricks, I think. Projection, overweening arrogance not matched by intellect, hubris, intemperate and lack of political nous, all of which helped contributed to his loss of LOTO He is touted as being highly intelligent, but we've seen precious little of it lately. Bilko, what awful news about your in law's son. I feel very sad for them. Please pass on my condolences. As you say, just another example of the care and empathy of the British government toward its citizens. I read a Guardian article about it a few weeks ago. Families and the aged are being thrown into turmoil because of it. One woman with 2 sons, was being forced out of the 3 bedroom flat she currently occupies into a 2 bedroom flat, even though her older son will be 16 in about 6 months and entitled to a bedroom of his own. The thing which makes you really angry about it is that it is so unnecessary, particularly when it seems that Cameron will be handing the rich a nice tax break while making the lives of the poor unbearable. I'm surprised people haven't taken to the streets. They did when Thatcher tried to impose the poll tax. It was very smartly taken off the agenda.

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6/05/2013Catching up That’s the Coalition theme – living within our means = austerity. Bilko Thank you for your comment and the information about the UK ‘bedroom tax’. It sounds repressive and unfair, but it is a Tory initiative! jane “[i]Not having children and/or being gay strikes me as two of many things which would have absolutely no bearing on economics.[/i]” Who would disagree, except Niall Ferguson. I gave Sir Ian a go, but you saw his response. What a pity it is we can’t have rational debate without backhanders.

bob macalba

6/05/2013Ad Another terrific post, a bit more from hockey, not good http://www.afr.com/p/national/hockey_raises_prospect_of_middle_k97QJUdU66Ux04f3Os9XMM wow, social security and all that goes with it at your local post office

jane

6/05/2013Ad astra, SIC doesn't like leaving his little bubble for the outside world. Too many differing ideas which are better than his. All jokes aside, it would be nice to have a rational debate.

Truth Seeker

6/05/2013Ad, thanks for your kind words about my post :-) Biloko, that was one of the things that my sister in the UK was so angry about, saying how disabled people were being penalised for the spare room that they need for storing their medical equipment in while the the wealthy were getting a 2,000 pound tax break. Maggie Thatcher is alive and well in the current crop of conservatives both there and here. EVIL! Cheers :-) :-)

lyn

6/05/2013Hi Jane Thankyou for your remarks @ 06.49pm. Thankyou to you for your wonderful genuine posts, you are always enjoyable we think alike you know:):)♥

Tom of Melbourne

6/05/2013When austerity is discussed, does anyone seriously believe reference to the privations of Greece, Spain etc has relevence to the reasonable prudence required in Australia? Why bother to continually refer to those countries? It’s a crew of economic illiterates here, but then so is Gillard.

GordonWA

6/05/2013Hi Ad, Another excellent article, thank you so much. Also many thanks to Lyn and her wonderful links, I learn so much that is simply unavailable in the MSM/ABC. Our economy is doing well compared to many other nations but the LNP and the MSM/ABC keep trying to talk down the economy. I remember that Tony Abbott backed David Murray in warning that Australia faces a "Greek-style economic downturn: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/warnings-of-greece-style-downturn-grossly-irresponsible/story-fn59niix-1226488199076 Tony Abbott also compared the reasonable changes to Superannuation to a Cyprus-style grab for cash. Do these "economic illiterates" seriously believe that the economy of Australia is on a par with basket cases in Europe? Mr Abbott and Mr Hockey seem to think we need austerity medicine.

nasking

6/05/2013 [b]HOW ABOUT THEY CLEAN UP THEIR MESS FOR ONCE? CREATORS OF WEALTH, MY @RSE. CREATORS OF MISERY AND POVERTY, MORE LIKE.[/b] JANE, SADLY WE HAVE SO MANY GREEDY AND IMMORAL MEGA-RICH THESE DAYS USING THEIR MONEY TO CONTROL POLITICAL OUTCOMES AND THE MEDIA MESSAGE... THE INSANITY WE'RE SEEING WITH THIS WATERHOUSE AND SINGLETON BUSINESS IS A CASE IN POINT...THEY ARE GROTESQUE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE SO SPOILT AND TREAT RACING LIKE SOME FACTORY FARM...BUT STRUT AROUND LIKE KINGS AND QUEENS...MOANING AND GROANING AND SUCKING UP THE MEDIA ATTENTION...IN AN INDUSTRY THAT IS ROTTEN TO THE CORE... AND THAT WATERHOUSE SON AND HIS CONNECTIONS TO CHANNEL NINE IS SICKENING...REMINDS ME OF A SNAKE OIL SALESMAN OFFERING UP SWEETS TO KIDS...HE'S A SCUMBAG HELPING TO ADDICT KIDS TO BETTING...BITTER SWEETS INDEED. AS FOR CHANNEL NINE...THAT IS ONE MORALLY BANKRUPT LIBERAL PARTY SUPPORTING CHANNEL...A BIGGER BUNCH OF ANDROID-LIKE SCUMBAGS WOULD BE HARD TO FIND... OH THAT'S RIGHT...CHANNEL TEN...THE SHOCK JOCKS...THE MURDOCH EMPIRE. DID ALL THESE PEOPLE ENJOY 'FAUST'? SICKOS! IF ANYONE BELIEVES ABBOTT WILL END THE CORRUPTION OF OUR YOUTH BY THESE GAMBLING GROUPS AND CORRUPT SPORT CHARACTERS AND THEIR MEDIA SPRUIKERS THEY ARE KIDDING THEMSELVES... IT'S LIKE GANG WARFARE...ONE GROUP GOING AFTER THE OTHER TO GET THEIR PATCH. ABBOTT'S ALL SMOKE AND MIRRORS...AND A PILE OF STEAMING DUNG IS FLUNG BY HIM ON A DAILY BASIS. N'

nasking

6/05/2013 BILKO, WHAT A BLOODY DISGRACE EH? AND A TRAGEDY UNFOLDING IN THE UK. I LIVED IN THE UK UNDER THATCHER AS A YOUNG MARRIED MAN WITH FEW QUALIFICATIONS AT THE TIME AND LITTLE MONEY. THEY HAD ME DENAILING TIMBERS...DELIVERING PAPERS...SERVING FOOD TO THE SNOTTY NOSED...THEY DON'T DEIGN TO TALK TO YOU...THEY TREAT YOU LIKE A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN...PUSH PAST YOU LIKE YER INVISIBLE... I REMEMBER THE DENAILING TIMBER COMPANY WAS RUN BY A TOFF AND HIS WIFE...THEY REFUSED TO PAY ME MY FULL WAGE FOR THE WEEK BECAUSE I MISSED ONE NAIL...IGNORING THE FACT THE METAL DETECTORS THEY GOT US TO USE WERE CHEAP AND FAULTY...WE WORKED IN THE BITTER COLD...LONG DAYS...NO LUNCH...A HORRID PUSHY OVERSEER... WHEN MY WIFE GOT UPSET ABOUT THE PAY AND WENT TO SEE THE BOSS AND COMPLAIN SHE WAS PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS...FORTUNATELY NOT HURT...BUT AS I POUNDED ON THE DOOR I WAS TOLD THEY WERE FRIENDS OF THE LOCAL BIGWIG COP AND IF WE EVER WERE SEEN NEAR THAT PLACE AGAIN WE WOULD BE CHUCKED IN JAIL. THE JOB CENTRE PEOPLE JUST SHRUGGED...WE WERE TOLD TO GET ON WITH OUR LIVES...WE HAD NOONE TO REPRESENT US...WE WERE YOUNG AND SCARED AND POOR. THAT IS ONLY ONE OF NUMEROUS STORIES I HAVE TO TELL OF BAD TREATMENT BY SNOBBY EMPLOYERS UNDER A CONSERVATIVE THATCHER GOVT... CARE FACTOR NIL. N'

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6/05/2013Folks Julia Gillard was simply brilliant tonight on Q&A. The questions were good, politely asked and comprehensively and professionally answered. This PM is brilliant, extremely well informed, and very impressive. It was one of the best Q&A sessions I have seen. Let's see what Tony Abbott can do on Q&A if he's got the guts to front.

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6/05/2013GordonWA Thank you for your kind remarks. I'm glad you enjoyed the piece. You are right. Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey have repeatedly talked down the economy, yet when overseas talk it up, which to me says thay talk it down here for their own political advantage. It is reprehensible that they would so carelessly damage our economy to advance their own cause. That's the sort of people who want to run our economy and our nation!

nasking

6/05/2013 I AM IRATE ABOUT THE TREATMENT OF LIVE EXPORT ANIMALS IN EGYPT...AND FIND IT DISTURBING THAT WE HAVE THE VERY SAME MEDIA CHARACTERS POINTING FINGERS AT THE GOVT WHO BASICALLY BULLIED THEM INTO RESUMING LIVE EXPORTS... YES, THE GOVT SHOULD NOT HAVE KOWTOWED TO THE INDUSTRY AND MEDIA...NOT BENT UNDER PRESSURE... BUT I LOATHE OPPORTUNISTIC JOURNOS AND TALKING HEADS WHO DO SUDDEN U-TURNS IN ORDER TO DO A 'GOTYA' INTERVIEW... ONE OF THOSE JOURNOS IS CHRIS UHLMANN... THIS INCREDIBLY UNPRINCIPLED, OPPORTUNISTIC AND ARROGANT JOURNO SAT THERE TONIGHT LIKE AN ACCUSER FROM THE SPANISH INQUISITION JOYFULLY BASHING THE GOVERNMENT... YET THIS WAS HIM BULLYING THE PM OVER THE LIVE EXPORT BAN IN 2011...AND USING ABORIGINAL WORKERS TO PUT EMOTIONAL PRESSURE ON THE GOVT: Transcript of interview with Chris Uhlmann, The 7.30 Report WED 08 JUNE 2011 Prime Minister Subject(s): Indonesian live export suspension; Indigenous Australians HOST: Julia Gillard, welcome. PM: Thank you very much Chris. HOST: There are 82 Indigenous cattle stations across the north of Australia, there are 54 in the Northern Territory, there a 700 Indigenous employees, what’s going to happen to their jobs after today’s decision? PM: Chris we understood when we took this decision that it was going to have an impact on the industry, but we needed to make the right decision here. I’m sure Australians right round the nation were very shocked to see the footage on Four Corners, I met with industry representatives in Darwin last night and they were shocked. These are the people who raise cattle and they don’t want to see their animals treated like that, so we’re going to go through this process of suspending now so we can get assurance about where Australian cattle end up and how they are ultimately treated. Yes, that does create difficulties for industry including the Indigenous cattle stations you refer to, we understood that and we’ll keep working with industry during this process. HOST: But what does happen to their jobs, are you going to provide some sort of compensation? PM: Well Chris different places will have different alternatives, some are entirely reliant on live exports, some are not. We will work through and we will keep consulting with industry. I understood, the Cabinet understood, Minister Ludwig understood, when we took this decision that it was going to impact on industry but I think too, the industry that raises cattle in this country themselves were saying something needed to be done. The cattle growers I met with in Darwin last night have just been to a big meeting of people who raise cattle across the Northern Territory and the thing that come out of that was their concern about animal welfare, the animals that they raise. HOST: I guess the difference is that they want this industry to start again and the people who are pushing you, that’s the RSPCA, Animals Australia, and some of your own backbench want it to stop forever. PM: Well we’ve made a very clear decision, this is a suspension and trade will be resumed when we’ve got the supply chain assurance so we know where Australian animals are going and that they are going to be treated in a way that we would believe is appropriate. HOST: So it will be resumed? http://www.pm.gov.au/press-office/transcript-interview-chris-uhlmann-730-report-0 WHAT A DISGRACE. UHLMANN AND OTHER OPPORTUNISTIC JOURNOS AND COMMENTATORS MUST TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE EXPORTS RESUMING. N'

nasking

6/05/2013 HERE IS A TWEET FROM CHRIS UHLMANN: Good intentions on live exports could be more bad news for indigenous Australians http://tinyurl.com/3oo9dmv 12:45pm - 10 Jun 11 APPLYING THE PRESSURE. THERE IS NO WAY THIS MAN SHOULD HAVE BEEN PERMITTED TO DO THE ANIMAL ABUSE STORY ON 7:30 TONITE... HIS BIAS AGAINST THIS GOVERNMENT KNOWS NO BOUNDS. N'

nasking

6/05/2013 FROM THE DRUM...CHRIS UHLMANN...JUNE 2011: [b]There is no excuse for the shocking animal cruelty in Indonesian abattoirs and the Government should play a role in ensuring that the live export trade is cleaned up. But just pulling the plug on it risks a catastrophic destruction of jobs and fragile regional economies. Contractors - road train drivers, helicopter pilots - were having their work terminated within hours of the suspension of the trade. Indigenous jobs - any jobs - in regional and remote communities are hard to come by. Their loss would also be a tragedy.[/b] http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-06-10/indigenous-jobs-are-rare-their-loss-would-be/2753914 PRESSURE APPLIED. SO WHERE IS THE BLAME ON THE INDUSTRY? THE PREVIOUS GOVT THAT LET IT GO RAMPANT? N'

nasking

6/05/2013 PLENTY IN THE MSM ARE PLAYING A SICK AND TWISTED GAME. THEY PUT THE GOVT IN A 'LOSE LOSE' SITUATION. N'

paul walter

7/05/2013Once again, my misfortune to read a consolidated, explanatory broadsheet article that should have been in the Tele or Herald in place of Gerald Henderson or Janet Albrechtsen. Congrats Political sword, though.

nasking

7/05/2013 [b]Julia Gillard was simply brilliant tonight on Q&A. The questions were good, politely asked and comprehensively and professionally answered. This PM is brilliant, extremely well informed, and very impressive. It was one of the best Q&A sessions I have seen.[/b] AD, JUST WATCHED IT AND AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY. MY WIFE WAS TOLD BY TEACHERS IN THE PRIMARY SCHOOL ACROSS THE ROAD FROM HER HIGH SCHOOL THAT PM GILLARD WAS EXTREMELY WARM, ARTICULATE AND WELL-INFORMED WHEN SHE VISITED...THEY WERE IMPRESSED BY HER ABILITY TO RELATE TO STUDENTS, PARENTS AND STAFF...AND FOUND HER TO BE CONFIDENT WITHOUT DEMONSTRATING HUBRIS. FROM WHAT I SAW TONIGHT I'D HAVE TO AGREE WITH THEM. THIS LADY PM HAS BEEN UNDERESTIMATED...AND MISREPRESENTED BY TOO MANY IN THE MSM AND BY THE OPPOSITION. I'M PLEASED SHE WAS PROVIDED AND COURAGEOUSLY TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS HERSELF IN SUCH A USEFUL FORUM...THE YOUNG PEOPLE DEMONSTRATED THAT AUSTRALIA CAN PRODUCE EXCEPTIONAL INDIVIDUALS...AND THE PM CONSISTENTLY DISPLAYED RESPECT FOR THEM, THEIR QUESTIONS AND ABILITIES. ONE OF THE MOST MATURE AND FREE FLOWING FORUMS (apart from the odd disruptive tweet) I'VE SEEN ON TELEVISION...UP THERE WITH THE FORUM I SAW AT GOOGLE HEADQUARTERS WITH HILLARY CLINTON. WELL DONE PM! N'

jane

7/05/2013Ad astra, Liealot will do Q&A alright, but he'll have a tame Liars audience and tightly scripted questions vetted by Credlin.

lyn

7/05/2013Today’s Links Self-defeating austerity shocks by @macro_business we find that fiscal consolidation and debt reduction occur gradually amid improved growth (Cherif and Hasanov 2012).1 We also show that an austerity shock (such as a sharp contraction in government spending or an increase in taxes) in a weak economic environment may be self-defeating. http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/05/self-defeating-austerity-shocks/ Austerity never works: Deficit hawks are amoral — and wrong By Robert Kuttner If the austerity-mongers prevail, we will be condemned to debtors’ prison. If we can understand and act on these challenges, we can surmount the current bout of deflation, restore broad prosperity and prevent recurring crisis. http://www.salon.com/2013/05/05/austerity_never_works_deficit_hawks_are_amoral_and_wrong/ Paul Krugman's call to arms against austerity by Phillip Inman, economics correspondent Krugman's solution – which upsets some liberal supporters – is straightforward. Asked if he is concerned a splurge of borrowing will trigger a repeat of the financial bubbles that caused the crash and spur inflation as too much money chases too few goods, http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/may/06/paul-krugman-battle-against-austerity Hockey flags severe welfare and spending cuts by Phillip Coorey Plan to put Centrelink in post offices Mr Hockey signalled a significant overhaul of Centrelink, Medicare and other service delivery agencies, saying they deliver in payments about 10 per cent of GDP http://www.afr.com/p/national/hockey_raises_prospect_of_middle_k97QJUdU66Ux04f3Os9XMM 'The Demographic Challenge' - Address to the IPA by Joe HockeyAs you would expect, the IPA has an important role to play in highlighting the challenges and prosecuting the case for reform. As both a policy spine stiffener and as an advocate for free markets we welcome your engagement.Much work is to be done and the Coalition is ready for the challenge. http://www.joehockey.com/media/speeches/details.aspx?s=114 Fantasy budget: economist John Quiggin is treasurer for a day by @JohnQuiggin2 Crikey asked economist John Quiggin what he would do if he were Wayne Swan. Tax hikes on the rich and a lift in the GST to pay for improved services — and don’t panic about the deficit http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/05/06/fantasy-budget-economist-john-quiggin-is-treasurer-for-a-day/ Memo to the RBA: consider this before cutting rates by Glenn Dyer and Bernard Keane Does the economy need (another) cut? While we’re travelling at just under trend (GDP growing around 2.5%), inflation is low and unemployment low, though it may be edging up. But housing has yet to really respond to repeated RBA cuts, http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/05/06/memo-to-the-rba-consider-this-before-cutting-rates/ Only 137 more sleeps till Prime Minister Abbott! by @timdunlop a lightweight, puffball cypher like Tony Abbott, who demonstrably lacks popular appeal, and who has singularly failed to articulate a viable, positive justification for his claim to the prime ministership, is in hot contention for that very job is as good an indication as you could find of the power of those oligarchs http://www.kingstribune.com/index.php/weekly-email/item/1799-only-137-more-sleeps-till-prime-minister-abbott Time to get NBN active, GenY by Steve Jenkin I think Turnbull misjudged his audience, treating them like the usual Mainstream Media, and either underestimated Conroy or came unprepared (shown by retreating to personal abuse) and didn’t say anything new, nor clearly & succinctly answer the questions asked. http://australiansforhonestpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/05/06/time-to-get-nbn-active-geny/ “in among it with everyone else” by @Vic_Rollison There’s no doubt that many of us bloggers who write about politics, media and the nexus between are utterly fed up with the work produced by mainstream journalists. And the mainstream journalists are fed up with us. http://victoriarollison.com/2013/05/05/in-among-it-with-everyone-else/ Levies Are The Taxes We Like by @newmatilda Australians don't want more taxes, but we're happy to cough up when we know where the money's going. It's no surprise that the Disability Care levy has been popular, http://newmatilda.com/2013/05/06/levies-are-taxes-we Jacksonville 48: What a way to win a Walkley by @madwixxy After the vast majority of civil claims against Thomson by the Fair Work Commission, formerly FWA, were postponed in court, McClymont went on the attack on social media regarding an article published on Independent Australia, accusing us of claiming the case had been “thrown out”. http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/business/media-2/kate-mcclymont-what-a-way-to-win-a-walkley/ When is a political victory not a political victory? by Mungo MacCallum it wasn't about reform at all; it was a devious piece of politics designed to wedge Tony Abbott, but Abbott was too smart and beat Gillard at her own game. So DisabilityCare will not be an election issue and Abbott, not Gillard, is the real winner. http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4671752.html Not looking the other way : investigative journalism by Alan Knight , @hongmedia McClymont said that threats of legal action had longer term implications for journalism “With the media industry in such dire financial straits this legal threat can prove too much for all http://alanknight.wordpress.com/2013/05/06/not-looking-the-other-way-investigative-journalism/ Governor General: What Kind of Job Is that by @AusVotes2013 Fast forward to the present day and recently a rumour emerged that Tony Abbott hopes to appoint one John Howard to the role of Governor General after the election. This rumour has been greeted with a fair degree of controversy. http://ausvotes2013.com/2013/05/06/governor-general-what-kind-of-job-is-that/ ABC takes newsreader Juanita Phillips off air due to concerns over Combet ‘conflict’ by @mumbrella A spokeswoman for the ABC confirmed the decision to Mumbrella: “As with any situation involving ABC editorial staff, we consider and manage conflicts on a common sense, case by case basis.” http://mumbrella.com.au/abc-pulls-newsreader-due-to-concerns-over-combet-conflict-153941 Coalition budget axe hangs over ABC and SBS by Stephen Conroy Mr Turnbull said: ‘Who’s to say, there may be cuts right across the board. If there is some broader austerity of some kind across the board, then all departments may have to bear some of the pain. http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2013/068 Will Tony Abbott’s paid parental leave see ‘wealthy women paid to have a baby’? By Women's Agenda Hawke has written a piece for the Institute of Public Affairs calling the Abbott scheme an "unjustifiable impost on business" and a policy that does not "pass the fair go test". http://www.womensagenda.com.au/talking-about/top-stories/will-tony-abbotts-paid-parental-leave-see-wealthy-women-paid-to-have-a-baby/201305062091 URGENT! Re MSM by @EmpoweringFem The MSM has pandered to Tony Abbott in the most disgraceful way. You would think that after all the hype in the UK, that Rupert Murdock would mind his P’s and Q’s here in Australia. By endorsing Abbott he in sending this country to HELL! He must really hate Australia then. http://eleana108.wordpress.com/2013/05/05/urgent-re-msm/ Guest post by Dr Sacha Blumen- Helen Razer and inner city left politics by @LarvatusProdeo Helen Razer wrote about how the ‘Left’ has lost itself with a focus on individualism and symbols. Maybe this can be seen in part in inner Sydney – in which there seems a greater focus on symbols, http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/05/guest-post-by-dr-sacha-blumen-helen-razer-and-inner-city-left-politics/ Robert Murdoch And The Down Fall Of His Empire by Whitney Grace The US may have downplayed the story, which has helped the company survive, but never doubt the power of an angry British public. Murdoch’s reputation has been soured. His next negative move could be fatal. http://arnoldit.com/wordpress/2013/05/06/robert-murdoch-and-the-down-fall-of-his-empire/ NBN: Can’t we all just get along? by @renailemay And as for the Earl of Wentworth, we need hardly remind him that describing a senior member of the Labor Party as a “grub” is hardly befitting his blue blood status. Turnbull has plenty of examples of old blood lordlings such as Francis Urquhart to draw from in dealing with such common, unlanded riffraff. http://delimiter.com.au/2013/05/06/nbn-cant-we-all-just-get-along/ Abbott will cancel NBN fibre: Conroy by @joshgnosis "Tony Abbott's plan is to leave 9 million Australian homes disconnected from Labor's NBN, and this is going to create a digital divide across suburbs, across cities, and across all of Australia," http://www.zdnet.com/au/abbott-will-cancel-nbn-fibre-conroy-7000014907/?s_cid=e551&ttag=e551 Today’s front Pages Australian Newspaper Front Pages for 7 May 2013 http://www.thepaperboy.com/australia/front-pages.cfm

nasking

7/05/2013 THE PROBLEM WITH THE LIKES OF VIRGINIA TRIOLI AND MICHAEL ROWLAND AND OTHERS IN THE ABC IS THE FACT THEIR PARTNERS ARE WORKING FOR PRIVATE MEDIA COMPANIES...THERE IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. FURTHERMORE, AS YOU COULD SEE BY THE FOND COMMENTS DESCRIBING JOHN SINGLETON THIS MORNING THAT WE HAVE AN INCESTIOUS SYSTEM WHERE SO MANY OF THE JOURNOS AND TALKING HEADS HAVE WORKED WITH EACH OTHER...SOCIALISE...HAVE INTIMATE RELATIONSHIPS. TRIOLI FOR INSTANCE WORKED AT PACKER'S THE BULLETIN. I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT LIBERAL POLITICIANS CAME OUT OF THERE. INTERESTING THAT SHE BECAME A BIG DEAL FROM 2001...YES, THAT YEAR AGAIN...AND IN THE NINETIES SHE STUDIED IN NEW YORK. ROWLAND WORKED THERE. THIS MORNING ABC 24 WAS PUSHING CLOSER RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN PRIVATE INTERESTS AND PUBLIC EDUCATION, TO ASSIST INDIGINEOUS STUDENTS IN THIS INSTANCE. SCHOLARSHIPS WERE BROUGHT UP. GRADUALLY TAKING US DOWN THE ROAD TO THE AMERICAN SYSTEM EH? I HOPE THEY ARE BEING PAID WELL FOR SELLING US DOWN THE YANKEE CORPORATE DRAIN. SNEAKILY...INCREMENTALLY. N'

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7/05/2013LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/LYNS-DAILY-LINKS.aspx

Bilko

7/05/2013Nasking You seem to have had it rough back in the UK hope things turned out better here in OZ. We escaped in 73 transferred with my company and even with the ups and downs have never regretted our choice. This country will follow the current UK slide if Abbort gets in and the population will only have themselves to blame if they do not wake up. To think a fossil in New York can do this and still sleep at night amazes me. Fellow Swordsters do not give up the fight.

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7/05/2013Folks In addition to Lyn's Links related to 'austerity', there was this article this morning in [i]Business Spectator[/i]: [i][b]Austerity is dead, long live austerity[/i][/b] by Stephen Koukoulas. Here are the initial paragraphs: [i]"It had to happen and the message will spread. "Pierre Moscovici, Finance Minister in France, has put the kybosh on fiscal and economic austerity saying “we are witnessing the end of the dogma of austerity – austerity on its own impedes growth”. "Moscovici’s comments followed the European commission’s decision to extend the deadline by two years for France to meet its budget targets. The extension was granted because of ongoing economic weakness which was undermining government revenue and blowing out the budget deficit. "As obvious and logical as it is to ignore austerity when an economy is weak, it amazingly remains a matter for debate that fiscal austerity – that is spending cuts and tax hikes, even when an economy is in recession – has some merit. Unfortunately, in many countries there have been a range of absurd austerity measures in recent years as the fiscal zealots impose their wacky Austrian economic theories into the real world. It has meant that many countries are not only mired in recession but have fallen into depression. "It is a pity for the many millions made unemployed in Greece, Spain, Ireland, Spain, Portugal, the UK and elsewhere that it took so many years for the austerity theory to be shown up for the snake oil it is. "Now, thankfully, fiscal austerity is being abandoned for the sake of growth, jobs and societal wellbeing, including here in Australia in a less dramatic way with the government no longer pumping for a budget surplus in 2012-13 ‘come hell or high water’. "This is a refreshing policy development given the recent economic news. "In the eurozone, fiscal austerity has as its ugly face five straight quarters of falling GDP and a record high 12.1 per cent unemployment rate."[/i] Read more: http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/5/7/economy/austerity-dead-long-live-austerity#ixzz2SYLN1100

nasking

7/05/2013 BILKO, CHEERS...YES, I FOUND AUSTRALIA TO BE A SANCTUARY COMPARED TO THE UK... AFFORDABLE HIGHER EDUCATION (THO I WONDER IF THAT HASN'T BEEN PARTLY UNDERMINED DURING THE HOWARD/COSTELLO ERA AND THEIR OBSESSION WITH THE US STYLE SCHOLARSHIP SYSTEM)... DECENT PAY AND CONDITIONS (WELL, UNDER ALP GOVTS ANYWAY)... LESS OF A CLASS SYSTEM (WELL, AT LEAST THERE USED TO BE UNTIL THESE MEGA-RICH MONGRELS BECAME MORE PUSHY VIA THEIR MEDIA HOLDINGS AND RELATIONSHIPS)... A SENSE OF PURSUING THE 'FAIR-GO' AND AN OPTIMISTIC, SHINY OUTLOOK COMPARED TO THE OFT WHINING, WHINGEING, DEPRESSED ATTITUDE OVER THERE (THO, THAT SEEMED TO CHANGE WITH NEW LABOUR OVER THERE...AND IT SEEMS AUSSIES HAVE BECOME THE BIG WHINERS NOW THNX TO THE ABBOTT TEAM CONSTANTLY TALKING DOWN THE ECONOMY AND PUSHING NEGATIVE SLOGANS LIKE 'COST OF LIVING PRESSURES'...AIDED AND ABETTED BY A MEDIA THAT I BELIEVE IS AS SENSATIONALIST AND NEGATIVE AND HYPERBOLIC AS THE WORST OF UK TABLOIDS AND US CABLE NEWS AT TIMES)... A REFRESHING DOWN-TO-EARTH ATTITUDE (SADLY, THAT'S BEING REPLACED BY AN AMERICAN STYLE ME ME ME WANT WANT WANT STRESS STRESS STRESS ATTITUDE THE MORE THESE MOGULS AND CORPORATE DYNASTIES USE THEIR MEDIA TO PUSH ADVERTISING AND PRODUCTS AND SPOILT LIFESTYLES DOWN EVERYONE'S THROAT...NOT TO MENTION THE CORPORATISATION OF JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING INCLUDING THE PUBLIC BROADCASTER AND THE HORSERACING AND MOST SPORTS)... AND OF COURSE I LOVED THE WIDE OPEN SPACES COMPARED TO THE CRUSHING CLAUSTROPHOBIC FEEL YOU CAN GET IN THE UK (SADLY, THE PROPERTY DEVELOPERS AND MINERS IN THEIR MAD RUSH TO MAKE MONEY HAVE SPOILT SOME WONDERFUL AREAS SINCE I CAME BACK IN THE EIGHTIES)... YEP, STILL A GREAT COUNTRY...BUT LITTLE BY LITTLE I FEEL ITS POSITIVES AND UNIQUENESS SLIPPING AWAY UNDER THE CORPORATE ONSLAUGHT. I WATCHED THE SAME OCCUR TO CANADA IN THE SEVENTIES AND EARLY EIGHTIES...AND GET SUCH FEEDBACK FROM MY RELLIES THERE ON A WEEKLY BASIS. THE TAR SAND BUSINESS IS DISTURBING MANY OF THEM. ONE IN TORONTO SAID HER ACCESS TO BBC SHOWS ON CABLE NOW IS EXTREMELY LIMITED...MAINLY THAT TOP GEAR WE SHE DOES NOT LIKE. N'

nasking

7/05/2013 DON'T GET ME WRONG, IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T THINK ROWLAND AND TRIOLI ARE TALENTED...THEY ARE HIGHLY ARTICULATE, WITTY AND CAN CONDUCT USEFUL INTERVIEWS...CAN BE HIGHLY ENTERTAINING... BUT I BELIEVE THAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO WORK WITH THE PUBLIC BROADCASTER YOU SHOULD RESPECT AND BELIEVE IN THE 'PUBLIC SYSTEM'. WE HAVE ENUFF SPRUIKING OF PRIVATE AND CORPORATE INTERESTS BY WAY OF THE REST OF THE MEDIA. THE PUBLIC SYSTEM DESERVES 'DEFENDERS'....DESPERATELY NEEDS IT...PARTICULARLY AS IT HAS AIDED AND PROVIDED OPPORTUNITIES TO SO MANY WHILST THE PRIVATE SYSTEM LET SOOO MANY DOWN DURING THE GFC...AND BEYOND. N'

nasking

7/05/2013 I AGREE WITH Stephen Koukoulas THAT WE NEED ANOTHER RATE CUT. THERE IS FAR TOO MUCH DISTORTION BEING CREATED BY THE HIGH DOLLAR. N'

nasking

7/05/2013 A REMINDER OF A USEFUL MICHAEL TAYLOR POST: [quote]How prophetic was Margo Kingston (in The AIMN interview): “Fairfax, the ABC and even Crikey are too fucking timid to do anything to upset the powerful. It’s up to social media. And there are journalists in the traditional media who secretly admit that the new, independent media is the way of the future and we must join with them. We need to build a bridge between the new media and journalists who see the corruption within the mainstream media. We need to collaborate and work together. We can do this by luring traditional journalists into the new media and free them of their shackles. If we do this, one day we in the new media will look back and be grateful for the decisions we make today.”[/quote] http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/the-media-campaign-against-the-government-revealed/ INDEED. N'

TalkTurkey

7/05/2013 I don't know if you know the story of Gigolo the Clown (he wasn't a gigolo in the modern sense) ... I feel a bit of a Gigolo myself sometimes in case anyone was wondering, especially re matters ecological and humanitarian, but Bilko, check the picture that goes with this song, written weeks after the Great Crash of 1929. I do know that sometimes one wants to crawl into a cave ... What's more it doesn't need to be anything big ... We all have different personalities with different vulnerabilities ... Still as far as I can see there is absolutely no advantage in talking down a situation, any situation, last quarter in Aussie Rules and you're six goals down, HELL NO, (this is not to you directly anymore Bilko btw), WE WILL WIN, my team Norwood was in that position against Sturt in Norwood's centenary year 1978 and we got up to win by a point. So ... This song ... in Gigolophonic sound .. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJg0YkKXX9k Oh and NASKING YOU LOOK AFTER THEM EYES! Methinks you must be overworking them because you're overworking mine!

nasking

7/05/2013 THNX FOR YER CONCERN TT...SOMETIMES MY PASSIONS GET THE BEST OF ME. TOP SONG BTW. GOOD ONE. LYN, GREAT LINKING...WILL GO THRU THEM NOW. I'LL TAKE A BREAK. N'

Michael

7/05/2013This Joe Hockey bloke, the one who keeps going on about "entitlement", wasn't he the one last year who said getting by on a wage of around 250,000 dollars a year was tough? The one whose wife actually gets paid more than him, so raw mathematics leads us to a Hockey household income of half a million a year plus? Oh, that Joe Hockey, he'll take care of the rorters. Well, "care" in the sense of "kick" and "guts" in the same sentence. By the by, if he's been in a Centrelink office lately, and many of them are merged with Medicare these days, and if he's actually ducked into a Post Office in the late year or so, the idea of a Post Office providing Centrelink services is... well, Joe, in the time-honoured tradion, "how much IS a litre of milk? A loaf of bread?" Or maybe, how much effort might there actually be taking the time to think about what you say before you strike a pose for the 'spine-stiffeners' at the IPA. (recaptcha seems to be in an interrogatory mood, too, with "KingWho neu")

Bilko

7/05/2013Nasking and Tall Turkey I will not admit Labor will lose but just warn of the chaos if they do and one of these days I will solve this linking to my meagre posts. I notice the lieberal trolls are out in force on a number of the blogs I frequent. Must be a strategy to assist the murdochry drown out all opposing views. Being a SciFy fan myself may the force be with us all. One last comment this country does NOT deserve the media we presently have and I pray the Guardian become a beacon on a hill to guide us out of the darkness.

Miglo

7/05/2013Nas, read somewhere recently . . . In England the left-wing media don't like to upset Murdoch either. They know they are just as vulnerable to his destructive forces as are the politicians.

denese

7/05/2013ad astra i hope everyone that read here takes time to read the comments two of our children have businesses, i said straight out to them if abbott gets in you could go bankrupt it was an awful thing to say to them but they have to spread the news about the lnp with all the cuts they are talking about no one will spend, 79/83 the howard years,, very high inflation and then very high int rates of 17 percent, i cannot stress this more, so its a roll on effect people will stop spending folks look at the UK and Europe they all went down that tracl parts of Europe have 23 % i think its spain from memory 'unemployment outs is 5.5 or there abouts.nd other countries in Europe are doing badly as well, they chose the old trick of the trickle down effect cutting taxes for the poor and cutting payments like pensions exactly what hockey says he will do, so folks people will stop spending our gdp is the third best in the world we have a triple a a a rating don't be fooled by the stories that want you to think we are a poor country what load of rubbish u see some don't want us to have the nbn,, many big business will be obsolete while we the small person thrive with the nbn it will be stopped at your door or you will have to pay 5000 for the lnp version that's like giving you an inferior phone line, u would not stand for that would you that's not me sayng this read sen. conroy press release of yesterday check out MR DEnmore on twitter that will take you to the Kuok on his twitter. educate your self and all around u. before it too late, denese

denese

7/05/2013the above should of read cutting taxes for the rich and not the poor please add astra can you paste and copy that in plse

Patriciawa

7/05/2013Yes, Miglo, I should think everyone tiptoes around Murdoch; media, business and the politicians. I notice that this government, including the Independents, never directly engages with him or News, though we all know he is the arch enemy. Last night on Q&A our Prime Minister, magnificent as she was in answering so frankly about the difficulties a PM and government face all the time, did not once mention the biggest problem she has to deal with every day - the nastiness and negativity not of the LOTO, but of the media and Murdoch.

TalkTurkey

7/05/2013Dam, way things are right now, I haven't even had time to look at Lyn's Links, TPS itself is so busy. Too many to answer all. Just Nasking, at 9.25AM, I reckon it's like this, the MSM is a scared gutless lot, [i]mostly[/i] pretty dim, few with deep insights, indifferent in writing ability, insular in society and limited in urbanity and formal erudition. (All of which apply to TT too but that's another story.) Agreed? (Anyone feel free to argue &/or suggest exceptions!) The point is that there are many on the 5th Estate who write the pants off them. (Heh heh. The mind boggles.) They know it, and it scares the underpants off them as well. There they are with their arses hanging out all the time, getting predictions wrong, lying badly, writing trivia, missing important issues, using disgraceful imagery and outrageous headlines, there's Independent Australia by itself out-investigating and out-reporting the whole mess of them on the most important story of the decade to date, There's Ad and BB and Mr D and Miglo and Grog and Uncle Tom Cobbley and all on the 5th Estate kicking their hanging-out arses for insights and quality of commentary and variety of opinion and beauty of language And THAT'S WHY they huddle away from the 5th Estate because they're scared shirtless of us and they already lost their pants. Heh heh. Paul Bongiorno I have kind of courted, told him we think he's decent; he's pretty exceptional [i]most[/i] of the time imo. But I really can't think of one MSM person who openly reliably [i]consistently[/i] supports Labor, I'm open to suggestions though. Try to think of sort of like an MSM mirror to the politics of Pigsy Ackerman or that FunnelWeb in a Frock Female, Knicker Savvy or whatever her name. Anybody like that? ... Yeah Mark Latham, but he's on the outer with the MSM, BECAUSE he is considered OUTRAGEOUS, exactly BECAUSE he is [i]consistently Left[/i]. Isn't it. You can see they're scared of us, they constantly belittle and try to ignore us but we are forcing their nasty little mouths and mean little fingers. Fie on the MSM. They are Failed as far as informing the People, or worse, they're Lickspittles, Crooks, Liars, and Traitors to Australia's Society. We must now win on Ashbygate. I'm sure Dave Donovan of Independent Australia is working on it doggedly. Dogged Dave Donovan. He raised all the money (pledges) he needed to proceed legally I understand. This is big. Well done DD. The civil case Abborrrrtt A also known as PiG~THiNG v Ettridge J of One Nation notoriety goes before the beak on Thursday 9th. There will be MASSES of journos there giving the issue WALL~TO~WALL coverage you bet. Har Hrmpmh.

MWS

7/05/2013I missed this article on tax-exemptions for religions, but a tweet brought it to my attention: [quote]State governments are losing out on land tax and stamp duty. And the Federal Government is losing out on billions of dollars of income, company and capital gains tax on these organisations’ multi-billion dollar investment portfolios. [b]Some smaller religions take advantage of these exemptions by nominating all their members as ministers of religion which means that any income they may earn from their full-time jobs outside religion are also tax free.[/b] Australians hate hearing about welfare cheats or politicians with their snouts in the trough. Why does no one make a noise about the biggest rort in the country? The business operations of religions are also tax-free. This gives a religiously owned business an advantage over its competitors. One well-known example is Sanitarium, which pays no tax because it is owned by the Seventh Day Adventist Church, having an unfair advantage over Kelloggs, which must pay tax. There are many other examples - including religions that own mortgage brokers.[/quote] http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/rich-men-in-the-tax-free-kingdom-of-god/desc/ It's time the tax rules in this country were cleaned up. Nobody should be able to avoid tax on all of their income (however earned) by claiming they are a minister of religion. Is this what (insert relevant deity here) would do?

TalkTurkey

7/05/2013denese, Read your sensible post, welcome if you haven't raised your voice here before, and as for the odd error, you don't have to be perfect here. Sincerity and goodwill is currency on Ad astra's TPS.

Ken

7/05/2013I think the AUD will stay high in the medium term. Even the Reserve Bank has admitted that the dollar is stubbornly high even though it has reduced the “cash rate”. Normally, when the rate goes down so does the dollar, but not in the present circumstances. I think part of the reason is that the official interest rates in the major economies are so low: USA 0.25%; UK 0.5%; Japan 0.1%; the Euro zone 0.5% and Canada 1%. That means it is theoretically possible to borrow money overseas, deposit it in Australia and make a profit. A simplified example to make the point. If I have a £100 sterling in the UK at the end of the year, at UK interest, I have £100.50. If, however, I convert that to $AU151 and get 3% in Australia, I have $AU155.53 which I convert back to £103, a profit of £2.50 over what I could get in the UK. For the average person, the difference is too small to worry about but international players dealing in tens and hundreds of millions, that becomes a significant profit in cash terms. Not surprising then that the AUD is attractive. Lowering our interest rates will not have a huge impact until the interest rates in other countries [u]rise[/u] or the AUD goes higher (which we don’t want). If our dollar goes lower, it may be more attractive while our interest rates remain so far above those in other developed countries. And the reason the high dollar affects company profits, and hence, Government revenue, is that so many export contracts are written in US dollars. Whether that remains viable in the long term will be interesting to see. The US economy remains the biggest in the world but will future transactions be conducted in Chinese yuan? The Government has recently done the deal with China to allow direct conversion of AUD to yuan. Interesting economic times ahead!!

Ad astra

7/05/2013denese Thank you for your comment. You are always welcome here. This blog engine does not allow me to edit comments, so I will leave your correction in place; I'm sure everyone will realize your meaning.

Ken

7/05/2013A post script to my last comment. The countries with better interest rates than Australia are the so-called "emerging economies": China, Brazil, Russia South Africa. High interest rates obviously help attract investment for their growth but also contain a "risk" element because none of them are as politically stable as Australia nor have a AAA rating.

Ad astra

7/05/2013paul walter Thank you for your kind remarks. I’m afraid that few in the MSM are prepared to write what is in this post. Ross Gittins, Peter Martin and Stephen Koukoulas are, but the ones you name never would.

Ad astra

7/05/2013TT As always, I have enjoyed reading your comments. You inspire us. Ken Thank you for your interesting take on the effects of the high AUD. What a dramatic change it would be if contracts were written in Yuan in the future!

Ad astra

7/05/2013Hi Lyn We have to go to Melbourne for a few days, so I'll catch up with your interesting links when I can.

Michael

7/05/2013Just in case you had any doubts as to Abbott's thinking on Australians generally, his focus on "higher calibre women" who've been university educated as the recipients of his Paid Parental Leave largesse in an interview shown on ABC 24 News at 11:20 today should erase them. Winners will be the big grinners in Abbott's Australia, or should that be phrased, already-advantaged grinners will always be the Coalition's winners? Institutionalised entitlement, that's the hallmark of Coalition policy. Grinning now, grin forever, and the rest of the country can go hang. "higher calibre women". Just think about that phrase, think about what it means on the lips of someone offering himself as this nation's leader. Think how the concept of 'higher calibre' might shape Coalition policy, and notice how easily that phrase was uttered by Abbott.

Tom of Melboune

7/05/2013Nasking – [i]” THE PROBLEM WITH THE LIKES OF VIRGINIA TRIOLI AND MICHAEL ROWLAND AND OTHERS IN THE ABC IS THE FACT THEIR PARTNERS ARE WORKING FOR PRIVATE MEDIA COMPANIES...THERE IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.[/i] Bizarre. A professional has a conflict of interest because their partner works for a different media group. Just to ensure you understand - [b] THAT IS STUPID NASKING[/b] ----------------- Meanwhile Stephen Koukoulas gets quoted as an economic oracle. He’s the dill who coached Gillard to say that “our debt is like having an income of $100,000 and a $10,000 mortgage”. This of course is untrue, even though it gets repeated by dull types.

Jason

7/05/2013Bizarre. A professional has a conflict of interest because their partner works for a different media group. I suppose this is also Bizarre! ABC takes newsreader Juanita Phillips off air due to concerns over Combet ‘conflict’ The ABC decided not to put Sydney newsreader Juanita Phillips to air on Friday over concerns about a conflict of interest with her reading a story involving her partner, cabinet minister Greg Combet. Mumbrella understands that as late as 4.30pm on Friday afternoon Phillips was slated to read the news bulletin however shortly before the broadcast, management chose to replace her with Scott Bevan. A spokeswoman for the ABC confirmed the decision to Mumbrella: “As with any situation involving ABC editorial staff, we consider and manage conflicts on a common sense, case by case basis.” http://mumbrella.com.au/abc-pulls-newsreader-due-to-concerns-over-combet-conflict-153941

Ad astra

7/05/2013Folks We are soon getting on the road for Melbourne, so I'm now closing down.

nasking

7/05/2013 TT WELL SAID. MIGLO, AT LEAST LABOUR UK HAS TOM WATSON AND A FEW OTHER BRAVE CHARACTERS STANDING UP TO MURDOCH. IT'S SAD HOW THEY KOWTOWED WHEN IN GOVT...BUT THE MAN HAD A LOT OF POWER...AND KNEW HOW TO THREATEN POLITICIANS...DASTARDLY GROUP USING POLICE, PHONE HACKING, THEIR PAPERS, SKY UK TO GET POLLIES TO BEND. JASON, INTERESTING INFO...THNX. N'

nasking

7/05/2013 [quote]One last comment this country does NOT deserve the media we presently have and I pray the Guardian become a beacon on a hill to guide us out of the darkness.[/quote] BILKO, ONE CAN ONLY HOPE. AND SUPPORT THEIR ENDEAVOURS AS WE HAVE THE FIFTH ESTATE THAT HAS LIT THE WAY...BEARING TORCHES AND CYBER-SWORDS...UNAFRAID. N'

TalkTurkey

7/05/2013State of the House of Reps as NDIS being debated. https://twitter.com/SpudBenBean/status/331613058789167106/photo/1

nasking

7/05/2013 [b]I think part of the reason is that the official interest rates in the major economies are so low: USA 0.25%; UK 0.5%; Japan 0.1%; the Euro zone 0.5% and Canada 1%. That means it is theoretically possible to borrow money overseas, deposit it in Australia and make a profit.[/b] INDEED KEN, WHICH IS WHY I THINK WE CAN AFFORD TO TAKE INTEREST RATES A LITTLE LOWER. CERTAINLY WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SAVERS...BUT WE DO NEED TO REDUCE THE BURDEN MORE ON SMALL BUSINESS...AND ENSURE THAT THE PRINCIPAL ON MORTGAGES IS BROUGHT DOWN CONSIDERING HOW DEEPLY MANY WENT INTO DEBT OVER THE PAST DECADE. IMAGINE IF THE COALITION GET INTO GOVT AND BEGIN A FORM OF AUSTERITY MEASURES...TONS OF PUBLIC SERVANTS OUT OF WORK...SO THE LESS MORTGAGE DEBT THEY HAVE THE LESS BURDEN DURING THAT SURVIVAL PERIOD MEANING THEY IN TURN WOULD BE FORCED TO CUT OUT LESS OF THE SERVICES AND PRODUCTS THEY PURCHASE...BEING ABLE TO REDUCE THEIR HOUSE PAYMENTS TO A MORE MANAGEABLE AMOUNT UNTIL THEY FOUND DECENTLY PAID WORK AGAIN. FURTHERMORE, IT'S LIKELY THE COALITION WOULD BRING IN A GST INCREASE...FURTHER EATING INTO WORKER'S AND LAID OFF WORKERS' PAY PACKETS...SO THE FASTER PEOPLE PAY OFF THEIR MORTGAGES NOW THE BETTER. CERTAINLY WE DON'T WANT TO LOWER RATES TOO MUCH MORE IN CASE IT AFFECTS THE DOLLAR AND WE GET A SUDDEN INFLATION SURGE COMPOUNDED BY INCREASING WAGE DEMANDS ETC...NOR DO WE WANT ANOTHER HOUSING BOOM AND MORE IRRATIONAL EXUBERANCE LEADING TO INFLATED HOUSE PRICES...PARTICULARLY IF LIBERALS PROMOTE PURCHASING BY NON-LOCALS, OVERSEAS INVESTMENT...AND BANKS EASE CREDIT CRITERIA. PROBLEM IS THE COALITION DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY 'NO' TO BIG BUSINESS MOST OF THE TIME...AND IF YOU HAVE LNP AND LIBERAL GOVTS LINED UP FROM STATES TO FEDERAL YOU COULD SEE MORE IRRESPONSIBLE RAMPANT CAPITALISM STEMMING FROM OBSCENE TAX CUTS, DEREGULATION, LACK OF OVERSIGHT, ONE-STOP SHOPS TO CUT RED TAPE, REBATES...THE LIST GOES ON. IF THE GOVT WINS...THEN I EXPECT MONEY WILL GET TIGHTER FOR FAMILIES BUT SERVICES MORE ABUNDANT AND MORE USEFUL. THE SOONER WE GET A RATE CUT THE BETTER. WE'VE AIDED THE GLOBE ENUFF FOR NOW. N'

jane

7/05/2013Jason, do you reckon it will mean that any minute now, Uhlmann will be removed too? He's also married to an ALP pollie. Must be a conflict of interest there, surely. The ABC should be renamed Bizzarro world.

TalkTurkey

7/05/2013jane That is an astonishingly perfect point.

nasking

7/05/2013 GOOD: RBA cuts interest rates to record low http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/rba-cuts-interest-rates-to-record-low-20130507-2j52m.html N'

nasking

7/05/2013 NAB passes on full rate cut to 6.13% standard variable rate By Larry Schlesinger Tuesday, 07 May 2013 National Australia Bank today announced it would cut its standard variable home loan rate by 0.25%p.a. to 6.13%p.a. It took just 15 minutes for the bank to announce its decision in comparison with previous decisions which have taken days. The new rate is effective from Monday 13 May. http://www.propertyobserver.com.au/mortgages/nab-passes-on-full-rate-cut GOOD. N'

MWS

7/05/2013Tony Abbott claimed today that it was "fair" to pay women their current salary while they are on maternity leave. However, the examples he gave of annual and sick leave are paid by the employer - while Abbott's PPL is paid by the taxpayer. I suggest the taxpayer should have a different definition of "fair", especially when they are paying the bill. What steps have been taken to stop the PPL being rorted, especially by family businesses, who could inflate a woman's salary prior to her taking maternity leave in order for her to receive more money from the taxpayer? A partnership of husband/wife would have an incentive to put all the income from the business in the wife's name before she takes maternity leave. Abbott's PPL will be funded by a 1.5% levy on big business - but apparently this levy will not be a "python squeeze" on the economy or cause Whyalla to be "wiped off the map." Abbott did want to give business a tax cut of 1.5%, so effectively, the Government will be receiving LESS tax than they do now, but will be paying for an excessive PPL scheme as well!

Jason

7/05/2013jane, I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for that to happen!

nasking

7/05/2013 Health Minister Tanya Plibersek said Mr Abbott's comments about "women of calibre" are an insight into "his lack of respect for low income workers, and women in particular". "Who exactly does Mr Abbott think are women of calibre? What does he think about women who are child care workers, nurses and community sector workers?" Said Ms Plibersek. "Are they of lower calibre than women who are law firm partners?" Read more: http://www.news.com.au/business/worklife/big-business-slams-abbotts-paid-parental-leave-scheme/story-e6frfm9r-1226636500339#ixzz2Sa51qpPL ABBOTT IS A JERK I WOULDN'T PUT HIM IN CHARGE OF A CANTEEN. N'

nasking

7/05/2013 MWS, I SEE ABBOTT'S PAID PARENTAL LEAVE SCHEME AS THE CREATION OF CITY MOTHER ELITES WHO GO SHOPPING AND HAVE DAYS OF BEAUTY WHILST ABBOTT'S NANNIES LOOK AFTER THEIR BABIES. THE REST OF THE POPULATION HAS TO PAY FOR THEM. TRUST ME, BUSINESS WILL PASS ON THE COST...AND SOME WILL USE IT AS AN EXCUSE TO INCREASE PRICES AND FEES FURTHER. THIS IS AUSTRALIA...NOT NEW YORK. INTERESTING THAT MURDOCH IS BASED IN NEW YORK. HMMM... N'

nasking

7/05/2013 PART OF THE REASON WE'RE BEING FAR MORE CAUTIOUS WITH SPENDING ARE THE THREATS BY LNP GOVTS TO CUT CUT CUT...AND THE SENSE IF TREASURER HOCKEY GETS IN HE'S GOING TO BRING IN AUSTERITY MEASURES. SEEING SMUG COSTELLO UP HERE IN QLD HASN'T HELPED. I LOOK AT HIM AND SEE GAWD KNOWS HOW MANY INTEREST RATE INCREASES IN A ROW. ABBOTT WAS BIG PART OF THAT GOVT. N'

nasking

7/05/2013 That should be: AND THE SENSE IF SHADOW TREASURER HOCKEY GETS IN HE'S GOING TO BRING IN AUSTERITY MEASURES.

nasking

7/05/2013 MORE EXTREME NEGATIVITY FROM JOE HOCKEY. TALKING DOWN THE ECONOMY YET AGAIN. I WOULDN'T PUT HIM IN CHARGE OF A SCHOOL BUDGET...LET ALONE THE AUSSIE ECONOMY. HOPELESS. N'

MWS

7/05/2013I've just been made aware (by Twitter, natch) of this new site: http://howfastisthenbn.com.au/ There are simulations of how fast the NBN is compared to the FTTN of the Coalition. It's well worth a look. Especially since many of us are currently getting internet speeds that are slower than the FTTN!

Ad astra

7/05/2013nasking Abbott's statement about 'women of calibre' reflects his demeaning attitude to lower paid workers, who by implication cannot be of the same calibre. That's class war!

Tom of Melbourne

7/05/2013Dunderheads mainly hang around here. Evidence- • No economic literacy – suggesting that debt for recurrent expenditure is like a household mortgage • Paternity leave – no sense that Abbott’s scheme is relatively modest in terms of that within many developed (and less developed) economies

MWS

7/05/2013A tweet from ‏@AshGhebranious [quote]Abbott's says he thinks women with money make better mothers same day Gina goes to court against her family. Coincidence? [/quote]

Jason

7/05/2013Famous Saying: Only two things are infinite, the Universe and ToM of Melbourne's stupidity - Albert Einstein

MWS

7/05/2013We are discussing "paid PARENTAL leave" not "paternity leave."

Tom of Melbourne

7/05/2013The Gillard scheme is incredibly mean and miserly by international standards. Look up the standards that apply in many of the countries that people on this site often refer to as social success stories.

Patriciawa

7/05/2013If only women of calibre were ever encouraged to give birth I wonder how many of us would be here now?

Tom of Melbourne

7/05/2013Who is saying "only"? Another dunderhead.

Catching up

7/05/2013It appears, according to the Coalition, government borrowing on the international market is crowding out Australian businesses that want to borrow. Yes, the global market, not the Australian.

Catching up

7/05/2013What the API is demanding, is that Abbott bring in small government. Nothing to do with the economy. it is all about ideology.

Catching up

7/05/2013Do not worry Patricia, there will be many woman of no calibre available to be nannies, to rear those babies, while the women of calibre get back to their lifestyle. Wonder if wet nurses will come back into fashion.

42 long

7/05/2013Abbott excels in Freudian slips. They accurately display the REAL Abbott. He really is much too "Scary" to have that job he wants. Australians have sinned, but not enough to deserve such horrendous punishment as suffering the indignity of having HIM as leader. Did he have the daily allowance claimed on this pollie pedal? FIT doesn't mean fit for office. We will learn the hard way that a nation should be more careful who it elects leader

Curi-Oz

7/05/2013Ms Phillips is the female partner of a politician. Mr Uhlmann is the male partner of a politician. He will not have a problem being 'even handed' or 'unbiased' towards the the government. Being a 'woman of calibre' obviously still means that one is a 'weaker vessal'. Sorry! Is my sarcastic hyperbole showing?

nasking

7/05/2013 I'M SICK AND TIRED OF HEARING THESE GRAZIERS BLEATING ON AND DEMANDING THE GOVT BUY THEIR STOCK WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE SEEN WHAT WAS COMING CONSIDERING HOW MANY TIMES THE DRY OCCURS IN AUSTRALIA...OR THE BIG WET. IT ANNOYS ME TO SEE LOVELY ANIMALS TREATED AS A PRODUCT AND THESE SAME GRAZIERS DRIVING STATING THEY CARE ABOUT THE ANIMALS AND CAN'T AFFORD TO LOOK AFTER THEM...WELL AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED IF YOU BRING AN ANIMAL INTO THE WORLD YOU LOOK AFTER IT EVEN IF THAT MEANS YOU SELL YOUR HOME, CARS, MACHINERY, GET A LOAN ETC. IF PEOPLE IN THE CITY CAN DIG REALLY DEEP TO HELP THEIR PETS AND PAY FOR THEIR WELFARE WHY CAN'T THESE GREEDY GRAZIERS? BUT THAT'S WHAT COMES WITH MAKING MONEY FROM ANIMALS. COMPASSION FOR THE ANIMAL GOES ONLY SO FAR...IN THE END THEY ARE JUST DOLLAR SIGNS. N'

Sir Ian Crisp

7/05/2013[quote][b]However, notwithstanding that plausible strategy, austerity has not been a spectacular success where it has been applied. Ad Astra [/b][/quote] If spending is the way out why did the bird of paradox remove the $300-plus family payments at a total cost of $1.84 billion? Is this a form of austerity forced on a government that can’t seem to manage its finances? Has the bird of paradox taken the ALP into self-parody territory? Is the bird of paradox aware that Paul Krugman warns against anti-austerity measures being applied by governments? The schadenfreude meter over at Lib-NP H/Q must be in the ‘high’ range.

nasking

7/05/2013 [b]Paternity leave – no sense that Abbott’s scheme is relatively modest in terms of that within many developed (and less developed) economies [/b] TOM, WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY THAT HAS WOMEN IN THEIR FORTIES WHO HAVE NOT SEEN A RECESSION IN THEIR LIFETIME...YOU CANNOT BELIEVE HOW MANY YOUNG TO MIDDLE AGE WOMEN I'VE MET WHO HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT IS LIKE TO SACRIFICE AND SCRAPE PENNIES TOGETHER...THEY JUST RIP THE CREDIT CARD OUT IF THEY HAVE PROBLEMS. YOU PROVIDE THESE WOMEN WITH MORE INCENTIVES TO HAVE BABIES AND I CAN TELL YOU STRAIGHT OUT THAT FEW WILL SPEND LOTS OF TIME WITH THEIR BABY DOING THE RIGHT THING...YOU ONLY HAVE TO GO ON FACEBOOK AND SEE THE HIGHLY IRRESPONSIBLE SPENDING. THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S COMING. WHEN THIS CHINA SO CALLED 'MIRACLE' ENDS THE WAVES WILL BE FEROCIOUS IF WE DON'T NOW TEACH PEOPLE TO LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS...THE IDEA THAT WE WANT TO INCREASE THESE MOTHERS' ADDICTION TO BUYING USELESS PRODUCTS THAT GET THROWN OUT OR PUT UP ON EBAY WITHIN A FEW MONTHS TO A YEAR RATHER THAN USING THAT MONEY TO CREATE AFFORDABLE SERVICES THAT CAN ASSIST CHILDREN TO REMAIN HEALTHY, BE EDUCATED APPROPRIATELY, EAT NUTRITIONAL FOOD, BE VACCINATED, GET THEIR TEETH EXAMINED, TRAINED AND SO ON IS THE HEIGHT OF IRRESPONSIBILITY. N'

nasking

7/05/2013 FURTHERMORE, IT'S NOT GOOD ENUFF BRINGING ANIMALS INTO THE WORLD THEN SENDING THEM OFF TO SLAUGHTER WITHOUT SEEING THE CONSEQUENCES OF YER DECISION. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED IF YOU WANT TO EAT MEAT THEN GROW IT IN A VAT. THE WAY THESE POOR ANIMALS ARE UNCEREMONIOUSLY EXECUTED IS QUITE SICKENING. SURELY OUR CIVILISATIONS HAVE EVOLVED ENUFF TO GET AWAY FROM THIS KIND OF BARBARISM. I KNOW IT WON'T MAKE ME POPULAR SAYING THIS...BUT I DON'T GIVE A DAMN. THE CRUELTY IS BEYOND IMAGINATION. WE LINE UP BILLIONS OF THEM EVERY YEAR TO BE SLAUGHTERED LIKE THE POOR JEWS DURING THE HOLOCAUST OR THE MASSACRE IN RWANDA AND PEOPLE JUST TURN AWAY AND POCKET THE MONEY. AND SO MANY USE THEIR RELIGION OR CONFORM TO THIS DOMINANT IDEOLOGICAL LUST FOR MEAT TO JUSTIFY THESE EXTREME ACTS OF SAVAGERY. N'

Tom of Melbourne

7/05/2013Shorter Nasking – “mothers can’t be trusted with money”

nasking

7/05/2013 TOM, YOU REFER TO OTHER COUNTRIES THAT HAVE BETTER SCHEMES...I BET THOSE COUNTRIES GOVTS HAVE A LOT CLOSER RELATIONSHIP WITH THOSE PARENTS AND HAVE CONSTRUCTED SYSTEMS THAT PROVIDE THE ESSENTIAL SERVICES I MENTIONED ABOVE...AND PROMOTE CERTAIN RESPONSIBLE CARING BEHAVIOURS AND VALUES FROM WHEN THOSE PARENTS ARE IN SCHOOL THEMSELVES. N'

Catching up

7/05/2013Let look at what Abbott is saying in another way. We cannot afford Gonski. Nothing wrong with the present funding. We cannot afford NDIS. Good programme but not at this time. We cannot afford NBNCo. Will replace with inferior model, which will be more expensive in the long run. Cannot afford CEF. We can afford Direct Action. Inefficient and much more expensive. We can afford PPL. Well that is what Mr. Abbott says. This in spite of Labor bringing in a scheme that is up and running. Is affordable. Is more equitable. Yes, it is a matter of making choices. Do we really want PPL. PS. The mining industry cannot afford MRRT. Even though, now that there are no longer much super profits, cost them little. Same goes for the price on carbon emission. Has led to very few price rises. Much cheaper than the inefficient Direct Action. It is not about whether we can afford or not. It is about what we choose to spend the money on. Do we invest in our nation for the future. Do we spend nothing, and miss out in being among the winners in the Asian Century. Can we afford to pay a little more for the essentials that this country needs to go forward. If deficits are so terrible, can we pay a little more in taxes to bring us into a surplus. I say, if we make the right choices, we can. Yes, we are clever enough to invest in our country for future wealth. Maybe Hockey and Abbott are right. Austerity is the way to go. The question I ask, when did it become set in stone, that taxes can never be raised. Could it be, there are times they go down, times for them to rise. We have had decades of them going down. Nowe maybe we have to give a little back.

Catching up

7/05/2013Well Abbott believe mothers cannot be trusted with money. That was his biggest gripe about the school kid grant, that was given to mothers to use when they go out to but those school supplies. OK to have it as a tax rebate over twelve months down the track. Why does one need receipts, when one will spend much more. Try sending your kid to school without spending the money. I can still remember each new school year. Getting that money together, after Christmas, annual holidays was hell on earth. Nine times out of ten , I had to borrow it.

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7/05/2013By the way, that is another one that is going under Abbott.

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7/05/2013 JUST HEARD A NEWS LTD INDIVIDUAL STATE THE MUSLIMS WILL GO WITHOUT PROTEIN IF WE DON'T SEND LIVE CATTLE. HOW IGNORANT CAN A COMMENT GET. CHICK PEAS OTHER LEGUMES, PULSES...HEALTHY FORMS OF PROTEIN THEY'VE EATEN FOR YONKS. NOT ONE OUNCE OF EMPATHY FOR THE ANIMALS FROM THIS PUNCH CHARACTER. JUST CONTINUE THE BLOOD BATH. SHOW ME THE MONEY!!! MURDOCH KNOWS HOW TO PICK 'EM. N'

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7/05/2013Emma Alberici‏@albericie1h Sen Brandis tells @Lateline only media defenders of freedom of speech in Oz are Andrew Bolt & Janet Albrechtsen #Lateline ping @jonaholmesMW

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7/05/2013 FREEDOM OF SPEECH EH? HOW MUCH FREEDOM OF SPEECH WENT ON IN THOSE CATHOLIC SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES? PLENTY OF VICTIMS AND WITNESSES GAGGED FROM WHAT I REMEMBER. N'

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7/05/2013 BTW, LOOKING AT MEAT CONSUMPTION FROM ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE...CONSIDERING WE HAVE A POPULATION OF OVER SEVEN (7) BILLION AND GROWING THNX TO BABY BONUSES AND SUCH... AND WE HAVE THE MEAT AND LIVESTOCK INDUSTRY AND FAST FOOD INDUSTRY TRYING TO CONVERT EVERY PERSON INTO A CONSUMER OF THEIR PRODUCTS... HOW MUCH ROOM IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO ACCOMODATE ALL THOSE CATTLE, PIGS, SHEEP, CHOOKS ETC? AND HOW MUCH FEED AND WATER WILL NEED TO BE PROVIDED? AND HOW MUCH DAMAGE WILL THIS DO TO THE CLIMATE AND ENVIRONMENT? AND HOW MUCH WILL IT COST TO REMEDY THE LONG-TERM PROBLEMS? AND IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TURN AWAY AND PERMIT THERE TO BE MASS FEEDLOTS...ARE THEY THEN GOING TO BE EXPECTED TO BAILOUT THESE HUGE COMPANIES AND GRAZIERS EACH TIME THEY GO RAMPANT AND THE CLIMATE CREATES A SHORTAGE OF FEED AND/OR ANIMALS DYING FROM HEATWAVES, FLOODING ETC? IS THIS NOT SIMILAR TO THE 'BANKS TOO BIG TO FAIL' PHENOMENA? ANOTHER FORM OF CORPORATE SOCIALISM? AND HOW CAN THESE SO CALLED LIBERALS SIT THERE AND CRITICISE THE GOVT AND TREASURY FOR GETTING THEIR REVENUE PREDICTIONS WRONG YET SIT THERE QUIETLY WHEN GRAZIERS, FARMERS GET IT WRONG? SURELY ANY SANE PERSON WOULD BE ABLE TO PREDICT THAT CLIMATE EXTREMES AND LACK OF REGULATION IN THE LIVE EXPORT INDUSTRY WOULD CREATE EMERGENCY SITUATIONS IF GRAZIERS WENT OVERBOARD WITH PRODUCING CATTLE? NOW, THAT IS WASTEFUL SPENDING IF YOU ASK ME...BAILING OUT IRRESPONSIBLE INDUSTRIES. AND IF THERE HAS TO BE THAT MUCH REGULATION TO ENSURE THE HUMANE TREATMENT OF ANIMALS THEN DOESN'T IT MAKE SENSE WE HAVE APPROPRIATE REGULATION OF ALL INDUSTRIES SO HUMANS ARE ALSO TREATED APPROPRIATELY...? THAT INCLUDES THE GARMENT AND TEXTILES INDUSTRY...THE SEX INDUSTRY...THE SPORTS AND GAMBLING INDUSTRIES...THE FAST FOOD AND BIG PHARMA INDUSTRIES...THE MODELLING AND FASHION INDUSTRY...THE MEDIA...THE FINANCIAL INDUSTRY...THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY...THE LIST GOES ON. ALL CAN BE DETRIMENTAL TO HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF INDIVIDUALS AND THE MASSES IF NOT REGULATED APPROPRIATELY. THAT TAKES MONEY. AND GOVT REVENUE. MEANING TAXES. IT ALSO CREATES INSPECTOR ETC JOBS. EVEN IF IT PUTS A BIT MORE BURDEN ON INDUSTRY. N'

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8/05/2013 SPOT ON POLLY...FROM THE UK: Polly Toynbee The Guardian, Tuesday 7 May 2013 ‘Labour should not promise anything more than a long hard road ahead: people won't suddenly see wages rise or cuts restored.' [b]The great bubble of Ukip votes clouds everything. In the miasma of hysteria, let's not get carried away by Nigel Farage's crow that "the establishment has been shocked and stunned". Whose establishment? The right has been split apart and the Conservative party is at war: David Davis declares class war on the Etonians while Cameron slides right to appease the unappeasable. A dangerous dogs bill in the Queen's speech looks like a symbol for controlling his own pit bulls. Meanwhile, an ever wider prairie is vacated for Labour to occupy.[/b] Labour's success was downplayed. If last week had been a general election, the party would have won a majority of 12. Bookies bank on a Labour victory. Labour's hard graft in target seats paid off handsomely. Blair-era carpers tweet sourly all day long that if Labour can't win in southern Tory-held swing seats, it can never be One Nation. But look at the geography of the results, and a congratulatory slug of Southern Comfort is in order. Strong gains came in Amber Valley, Cambridge, Crawley, Cannock, Dover, Hastings, Ipswich, Stevenage and other targets, winning directly from Tories. Old-fashioned footwork matters. Ask why the Lib Dems will probably hold many seats, and they'll say current anti-politics jaundice is only dispelled by voter face-time locally with their MP or candidate and platoons of activists. But yes, Labour has a way to go. To win by a whisker because a bigger rightwing vote was split and crushed by first-past-the-post would make governing near impossible. Labour has to secure intellectual and emotional hegemony, planting its flag unequivocally for jobs, growth and fairer shares. Too many Labour spokespeople are frozen into cautious timidity, afraid to talk like ordinary people expressing what they feel and believe with enough fervour. Ed Balls does a boisterous ya-boo but without the language of mission and purpose. Many sound like civil servants reading from a brief, afraid to put a foot wrong. Most lack neither passion nor indignation, but something frightens them from using language with colour, metaphor and conviction. True, every interview is a potential death trap, as Ed Miliband found. They need rock-solid answers on the economy – not a budget, not figures yet – but the Eds need to frame the rules they will abide by, describing now the shape of an iron fiscal envelope on current spending. Labour is still blamed for the global collapse, but boldness not caution is the only escape. Never be caught again prevaricating on the B-word: don't be afraid to say they will borrow to invest. Don't duck it; boast about it: only self-confidence will convince. Gather those economists not of the left, the Martin Wolf and Samuel Brittan school who call for stimulus and borrowing. Argue the case for it with homely analogies. Did any new business get off the ground without borrowing to invest? Did any family acquire property without borrowing for a mortgage, paid back over years? No one regards mortgage debt of three times their income as imprudent if there is a plan to repay. But Osborne's debt soars, wasted on unemployment and housing benefit for landlords. Labour's costed promise of jobs for the unemployed, alongside house-building is the only alternative to a shrinking, dwindling state. The state as growth-stimulator is a strong theme as the Royal Mail is sold off against the public's wishes, leaving the taxpayer to foot the pension bill. Don't let it be asset stripped. Don't let it go the way of the energy firms, with uncontrolled higher prices. Selling off RBS for less than purchase price cheats the taxpayer, when a state-run bank should be lending for investment. Why rush to sell off the state-owned East Coast line when it makes a profit? Let other rail contracts fall back to the taxpayer to keep prices down. Look at how the state-run NHS fosters our thriving pharmaceutical industry. Look how state-backed arts, broadcasting and design foster industries worth multiples of its grants. Be positive about what government can do. But don't promise more than a long hard road ahead: people won't suddenly see wages rise or cuts restored. The promise is a country self-confidently investing in itself, not divesting itself of everything. Contrast that with the dismal offerings in the Queen's speech and all the state-shrinking and scapegoating that grips the Tory-Ukip realm. Go for the jugular of this miserablist, mean-spirited government. The only way Labour can shrug off the wicked issues – immigration, welfare and Europe – is with frank common sense. Without patronising Ukip voters, appeal to what people know: foreigners, benefit claimants and Europe are not to blame for the economic plight we're in – and everyone knows it really. Of course we must control our borders and make sure only those entitled get benefits – but the bedroom tax and cuts for the severely disabled are plain wrong. Leaving the EU? That only multiplies our problems. Don't be deceived by diversions and crude excuses for the drastic fall in living standards people feel. The banks caused this, the well-off are almost untouched, while hardship falls on the great majority of basic-rate taxpayers, Labour's people. Voters may like rum characters who pretend not to be politicians, but laugh out loud at the ludicrous idea that those opportunists, Farage and Boris, are anti-establishment. What people look for is authenticity. They trust those who sound as if they mean what they say – and have the competence to deliver it. As Roy Hattersley wrote so well on Monday, "listening to the people" is no answer; leadership gains respect. The challenge is less the dark issues themselves but how robustly Labour dares confront them. Dither and duck and all is lost. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/07/labour-ukip-passion-politics INDEED. N'

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8/05/2013I thought for years it has been the intention of Indonesia to become self sufficient in animal protein. That is grow there own cattle. This has nothing to do with the PM stopping live cattle exports for a short period of time. The cattlemen, as part of exporting cattle, have the responsibility to ensure they are not abused. Growers even pay for this not to occur. The PM cannot be blamed for the fact, they did not protect their own industry.

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8/05/2013 MEMORIES OF PASSION...LOST: Elsewhere, other leaders were crumbling: Harold Macmillan (Britain), Konrad Adenauer (West Germany), David Ben-Gurion (Israel) were all brought down by scandals of one sort or another, usually involving sex and/or state security. Nothing much has changed on this front. Despite the spirit of 1945, Britain remained a sharply divided class society where deference to one's "superiors" dominated the political culture. The new Labour leader, Harold Wilson, turned out to be an excellent leader of the opposition, challenging, mocking and puncturing Tory pretensions on every front. It was film-makers, dramatists and satirists, however, who were leading the race towards modernity. Television, a relatively new medium, was often watched collectively since not every home possessed one. In the US, a Harvard maths professor, Tom Lehrer, was entertaining the liberal middle classes with his mocking songs (he stopped singing when Kissinger was awarded the Nobel peace prize because "satire was no longer possible"). He was flanked by Lenny Bruce, one of the most brilliant and savage standup comics ever seen on stage: his deliriously incoherent stream of consciousness was considered subversive and he was arrested for "obscenity" in San Francisco and permanently denied entry to Britain after a successful gig at Peter Cook's Establishment Club in 1962. Peter Sellers on the set of Dr Strangelove. Photograph: Cat's Collection/Corbis In Britain, Private Eye had come into existence and the BBC (not then completely neutered) was screening That Was the Week that Was (TW3), watched by 10 million viewers a week, with David Frost and Willie Rushton performing and Dennis Potter, Peter Cook, Richard Ingrams, John Cleese etc helping to write the gags. It was at the Scala on Walton Street in Oxford (and later the Academy in Oxford Street, and the Hampstead Everyman) where one could see the latest in European cinema. My first experience was educative. After a showing of Andrzej Wajda's Ashes and Diamonds at the Scala, they played God Save the Queen. Thoughtlessly, I stood up, as I used to in Lahore when the national anthem was played, only to be greeted with a uniform chant from the row behind: "Sit down, you fascist!" The mistake was never repeated. The French new wave was a revelation. Jean-Luc Godard's films alone hit one like bullets, their charge not unlike reading a Stendhal novel – Le Mépris, Bande à part, Une Femme Mariée, Pierrot le Fou, Deux ou Trois Choses, La Chinoise, Weekend dominated the decade. Not that the British film industry was dead. Far from it. The Joseph Losey/Harold Pinter partnership gave us The Servant, a powerful depiction of class and sexual repression (homosexuality was not legalised till 1967) with startling camera shots that make the film a classic. John Schlesinger's Billy Liar, Tony Richardson's Tom Jones and Lindsay Anderson's This Sporting Life were all precursors of what lay ahead. The first play I saw in this country was Joan Littlewood's Oh What a Lovely War, a moving homage to music hall culture and Brecht, "whose work we knew well from the 30s", she explained. It was a savage deconstruction of the first world war and should be performed again next year as an alternative to the centenary fare we are likely to be fed. The Royal Court was the liveliest theatre in London, combining Beckett and Ionescu and commissioning new plays non-stop. Pinter's The Caretaker premiered that year and Peter Brook, a huge fan of Littlewood, was immersed in work that would challenge every theatrical convention. The culture reflected a growing self-confidence in the decades following the second world war. Some of my university friends were in revolt against everything: professors, examinations, institutions, and life itself. They pursued the world, seeking it out only to reject it out of hand. They too would soon come into their own. What I was not prepared for in 1963 was the food. It was awful, apart from the breakfast. After my first week I ventured into the local Indian, imaginatively named the Taj Mahal. Dreadful. I summoned the manager and asked why food we wouldn't give stray dogs at home was being served here. He got upset and took me to his office. "Have you just arrived? Then please don't come here again. There is a Punjabi lady who cooks proper food every weekend in north Oxford. You can order it in advance." My English friends were amazed. "So this is what it's really like." It saved me in the short-term, but I had to teach myself to cook, which I did, and have never regretted. There was nothing to suggest that 30 years later this country would become known for its restaurants and good food. Miracles do happen. And a footnote. In 1965, a year after the election of a Labour government that went back on many of its promises, Michael Foot shouted at us in despair as we denounced his leader, Wilson, for "crawling to the Pentagon". "You idiots," he screamed. "Don't you realise that Wilson is the most leftwing prime minister this country is ever going to have?" Our satirical laughter enraged him. We're not laughing now. Fifty years later, globalisation has provincialised European politics and culture. Britain has no film industry left. Even Ken Loach gets most of his money from Europe, which itself is largely reduced to mimicking Hollywood thrillers and action flicks, its proud cinema effectively dead; its literary gaze firmly fixed on the NYT bestsellers list, its writers obsessed with being translated into American-English; its politics repeating the tweedledum-tweedledee rhythms pioneered in DC. The most interesting films are being made by Iranian, South Korean, Taiwanese and Thai film-makers, the most challenging politics are in South America, the centre of the world market has moved eastwards to China. Not to worry. North America and Europe still dominate the arms industry. With drones dominating politics and culture, why shouldn't they be arms-market bestsellers as well? http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/may/07/1963-beginning-of-modern-era [b]PASSION AND IMAGINATION PEEPS...PASSION AND IMAGINATION...UNLEASHED. WINDS OF CHANGE. CLEAR OFF THE DUST AND COBWEBS.[/b] N'

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8/05/2013Michael Taylor (Miglo, of Café Whispers) offers this telling comparison of styles of PM v LOTO. http://theaimn.com/2013/05/07/julia-gillard-and-tony-abbott-head-to-head/

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8/05/2013Today’s Links Joe Hockey, Welfare to Work and a pack of damn lies by @MigloMT ‘Keep your hands of the poor, Mr Hockey’ (in response to yesterday’s speech to the IPA where welfare cuts were flagged), I dug into my archives and came across this recent post exposing Joe Hockey’s contempt for the country’s disadvantaged. http://theaimn.com/2013/05/07/joe-hockey-welfare-to-work-and-a-pack-of-damn-lies/ Fiscal dissonance by @fakeedbutler But there is absolutely no question that Abbott’s plans are entirely illiberal and unconservative. And there is absolutely no way to rationalise these plans with Hockey’s vision of an Australian government that declares an end to the age of entitlement. http://ausvotes2013.com/2013/05/07/budgetary-dissonance/ When conditions change, the RBA changes policy by @MattCowgill The cash rate is now lower than it was during the GFC, but that doesn’t mean that the RBA thinks we’re facing a deeper crisis in 2013 than the one that loomed in 2008. It just means the circumstances have changed. The neutral monetary policy setting is now lower than it was then http://mattcowgill.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/when-conditions-change-the-rba-changes-policy/ Economic comparisons are useless without context by @albericie longest-serving treasurer to set up the Future Fund which finally allocated money to the previously unfunded superannuation entitlements of public servants. For the Coalition to claim that Labor has been "spending like a drunken sailor" doesn't tell the full story. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-07/alberici-economic-comparisons/4672166 RBA drops cash rate to 2.75% (or How do you like those record lows-) by @GrogsGamut reflects more the market being taken by surprise. We shall have to wait to see if this drop in the cash rate finally gets the dollar heading down, or if the RBA needs to do more to let the market know it is serious about lowering the dollar http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/ Decarbonising Australia by @JohnQuiggin2 http://johnquiggin.com/ Abbott’s budget reply more important than Labor’s Swan song: Koukoulas by @TheKouk It is to be hoped that in this year’s budget reply speech, Abbott adds some substance to the economic plans of the Liberal Party and some hard facts on the budget bottom line and how the economy will be shaped. It matters for growth, jobs and ongoing prosperity. It deserves close scrutiny. http://www.startupsmart.com.au/government-and-regulation/abbotts-budget-reply-more-important-than-labors-swan-song-koukoulas.html Earn $210,000- You're in the top 1 per cent by @1petermartin An income of $210,100 per year makes you ultra-rich, an income of $688,700 makes you uber-rich. http://www.petermartin.com.au/2013/05/earn-210000-youre-in-top-1-per-cent.html Shadows on the Press Gallery wall 2- Where the action isn't By @awelder told us much about Rudd as an individual, and about how the ALP works both with and against such an individual. What they also show, however unwittingly, is the near-redundancy of the full-time press gallery and relying solely upon it for news about politics and government http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/ How bad is the Gillard Government really? by Letitia McQuade @independentaus what is it that drives the media’s relentless character assassination of Julia Gillard, and why does the press gallery so consistently fail to scrutinise the policies and rhetoric of the Opposition? http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/how-bad-is-the-gillard-government-really/ The puzzle at the heart of allegations of ABC bias by @btckr I came across Scott’s comments when searching for some thoughts he might have expressed on whether or not Australia’s publicly funded national broadcaster should be broken up and sold off — as the Institute of Public Affairs (IPA) has recommended http://truthinmediaresourcecentre.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/the-puzzle-at-the-heart-of-allegations-of-abc-bias/ Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott: Head to Head by @MigloMT Apart from the obvious differences such as Julia Gillard being a lady and Tony Abbott being a mere male, how do they otherwise compare? http://theaimn.com/2013/05/07/julia-gillard-and-tony-abbott-head-to-head/ Trivia special: 43 Parliaments, 71 Knights by @davispg Up to and including the 43rd Parliament 1,088 people have been members of the House of Representatives. Australia’s first Federal parliament had 75 seats and there are now 150. With around 4 million people in 1901 compared to around 23 million now http://ausvotes2013.com/2013/05/06/trivia-special-43-parliaments-71-knights/ Shorter Tony Abbott- I lost the RU486 vote on the floor of the House - so I'll privately threaten by @no_filter_Yamba It was one of the most intensely personal debates Parliament has seen, involving a unique push from a group of women across four parties to allow the abortion drug RU486 into Australia. In a rare conscience vote, the Health Minister, Tony Abbott, lost his veto over the drug http://northcoastvoices.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/shorter-tony-abbott-i-lost-ru486-vote.html Leftovers, TV Interviews, Dud Jets, Dud Gents & Portents! by @knarfnamduh voter has turned off the boring, negative, hyperbolic, ‘we’ll do it better’, abusive, smarmy, bigoted, sniping which represents the political discourse today? Well, who could blame them! http://deknarf.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/graphical-manipulations-33-leftovers-tv-interviews-dud-jets-dud-gents-portents/ Abbott’s parental leave to cost $5bn by AFR PBO costing of the policy, seen by The Australian Financial Review, estimates the policy would cost $14 billion in its first three years if it began on July 1 next year. Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has yet to set a start date, saying only that it would be in the first term of a Coalition government. http://www.afr.com/p/national/abbott_parental_leave_to_cost_bn_fdG47KuT9RVnWozbyIUU5M Battlelines drawn on Abbott's parental leave scheme by Michael Gillies Smith The battlelines are drawn: The Australian front page v Abbott and his paid parental leave scheme (and tax on business).It didn't end well for Kevin Rudd in 2010. Will Abbott back down, delay or amend the scheme and the tax and defuse The Australian's wrath? http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4674208.html Janie’s got a gun by @backupbear Tony has taken various opportunities to accuse the government of waging “class warfare” – today he demonstrates he’s well and truly in the thick of it, himself. Is it his hope that well-paid women having babies will lead to more LNP voters? http://unsane.info/janies-got-a-gun/ TONY ABBOTT’S Feminist Cred, by @evacox Could the reason for the lack of support be related to who proposed it than what it is? Abbott has a history of sexism and anti-fertility control so opposition to his proposal could stem from his past record. http://thehoopla.com.au/tonys-feminist-policy/ Son of a Gun! What Calibre is That- by Patriciawa Guns are headline news right now in the States, after all. He knows you wouldn’t normally talk about women of calibre! That was just a slip of the tongue, a mixed metaphor, from a man under enormous pressure. http://polliepomes.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/son-of-a-gun-what-calibre-is-that/ I am a woman of calibre by @TeamOyeniyi Well, well, well: I’m a woman of calibre. How nice for me! I don’t earn that much, but the rest of it fits! http://teamoyeniyi.com/2013/05/07/i-am-a-woman-of-calibre/ Tony unleashes his misogynist side with 'women of calibre' comments by Heath Aston and Jonathan Swan "If we want women of that calibre to have families, and we should, well we have to give them a fair dinkum chance to do so. That is what this scheme of paid parental leave is all about." http://www.dailylife.com.au/opinion/political-news/tony-unleashes-his-misogynist-side-with-women-of-calibre-comments-20130507-2j5my.html?rand=1367915567938 Tony Abbott: How do you define a woman of calibre? BY Women's Agenda He told a press conference today that as well as being about fairness and productivity, his parental leave scheme will ultimately encourage women of a certain "calibre to have families". http://www.womensagenda.com.au/talking-about/top-stories/tony-abbott-how-do-you-define-a-woman-of-calibre/201305072102 The Liberal stoush over middle class welfare and Abbott's maternity leave scheme BY @ozterra And now he has a piece over at right-wing think tank the Institute of Public Affairs setting out his arguments which are basically that it would cost too much, would undermine the fiscal credibility of a Liberal Government, and isn't necessary. Today other liberals have joined the chorus of dissenters http://australiaincognita.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/the-liberal-stoush-over-middle-class.html The impact of the digital media on the media industry by Paul Budde For more than a decade the traditional media has been on notice regarding the changes to be faced because of developments in the digital media market. So far it has failed to take decisive action – partly because it was afraid http://www.budde.com.au/News/#The-impact-of-the-digital-media-on-the-media-industry Today’s Front Pages Australian Newspaper Front Pages for 8 May 2013 http://www.thepaperboy.com/australia/front-pages.cfm

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8/05/2013 HMMM... Lateline - 07/05/2013: Brandis applauds defeat of media regulation EMMA ALBERICI: Can I just go back to this point because John Howard actually threatened to remove the tax free status of charities and church groups who lobbied for a change of laws, who criticised the Government. This is not about how they spend their money, this was specifically aimed, many called it muzzling the charities and church groups? GEORGE BRANDIS: Emma, it's an entirely different issue. If you want to quote to me the very words that Mr Howard used that you've paraphrased then I will comment on them but I know what the Howard Government's position was and I think it was the right position. It was a corporate governance issue. You cannot go into the public arena as a charity, ask people to donate money to your charity and then spend it on a purpose other than the purpose for which it was given. EMMA ALBERICI: As I understood this was around the time of the CES going to the job network situation where church groups and charities were taking over some of that work and as I understand it this was the Government saying to those charities we'll give you these contracts, this money on the proviso that you don't criticise us in return. GEORGE BRANDIS: That might be your understanding but I don't want to deal with - talk about a particular instance on which neither you nor I are specifically informed. EMMA ALBERICI: You were in the Government. GEORGE BRANDIS: But let me just make this point. Freedom of speech is about the right of people to express their opinions about the right of newspapers and the media to carry the expression of opinions to participate in an unfitted way in the democratic debate. It's not an issue about corporate governance which the charities issue was an issue concerning. EMMA ALBERICI: Because I'm specifically interested, obviously your speech talks about this Government attacking freedoms in a way that hasn't been since 1825. GEORGE BRANDIS: I have not seen it in my life! EMMA ALBERICI: Other instances where it seems that the same point could be argued. For instance, let me give you another one, the Howard Government's terror laws were also considered an attack on basic freedoms. Suspects held for 48 hours without charge, without being given any reason at all. Control orders for up to 12 months and the proposition that people be jailed for simply promoting feelings of ill will. GEORGE BRANDIS: Alright, let me say two things about that. First of all, those laws were criticised not as an attack on freedom of speech but an attack on other civil liberties. So, you know, my argument is specifically about freedom of speech. It's not a general argument about civil liberty. It's an argument about what I regard as the most important among the civil liberties and that is freedom of speech. Secondly, as a result of the intervention and the negotiation at that time between people who are then on the government backbench, Mr Malcolm Turnbull, Senator Maurice Payne, Petro Georgiou, me, the original proposals were hedged with very significant safeguards. Thirdly, the alarmist rhetoric that we heard from people on the left of politics that this was legislation that would destroy our civil liberties has not been realised in the event. There have been hardly any control orders, there have been no preventative detention orders in all the years since. http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2013/s3754147.htm [b]BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF ANY LIBERALS AND LIBERAL SUPPORTERS HELPED GAG CHILD ABUSE VICTIMS AND WITNESSES AND INVESTIGATORS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH...AND CERTAIN CULTS.[/b] N'

nasking

8/05/2013 CRIKEY!...MIGS REVEALS THE STEAMING DUNG THAT LAY BENEATH THE HOWARD GOVT HUBRIS...AND HOCKEY ASSERTIONS: The lie goes back awhile, back to the failed Welfare to Work (WtW) program introduced in 2005 to increase workforce participation among single parents, people with disabilities, and unemployed people aged over 50. I won’t bother with the finer details of the policy; it’s not important. [b]We didn’t hear much about WtW until March 2007; an election year. With the polls turning bad for Howard, success stories of the Government needed to be ‘put out there’. Apparently WtW was a great success according to Joe Hockey: Welfare changes and a healthy job market are set to deliver the Federal Government a $500 million budget surprise this financial year as the number of people on income support payments falls faster than expected. The Employment Minister, Joe Hockey, seized on the figures as evidence the Government’s controversial welfare and industrial relations changes were helping disadvantaged people find jobs. Latest estimates by the Department of Employment and Workplace Relations [DEWR] show income support payments will cost $21.76 billion in 2006-07, down from the $22.28 billion estimated in last year’s budget. The largest savings are coming from a lower than expected number of people on the disability support pension [DSP] under the welfare to work changes and falling dole payments to the unemployed. [/b] Well that was a lie but the media brought it. Let’s look at the DSP numbers for, and surrounding, 2007. Here’s a summary: DSP Population as at June 2006: 712,163 2007: 714,156 2008: 732,367 If the figures were going up, then what happened to the $500M that was meant to be saved? [b]The Howard Government wanted it for something else, hence the lie that it wasn’t needed under the WtW program. My source tells me that the Secretary of DEWR, Dr Peter Boxall, was instructed to take $750M from Newstart and DSP payments as it was needed elsewhere, with no explanation given. This infuriated Boxall (a Howard appointee), but he had no option other than to ‘find’ the money, however, could only come up with $500M. My informant attests that this demand came from the top, which could only mean Hockey or even Howard himself. It was not a political move, although it is easy to assume it might have been given it was an election year. No, it was much more sinister than that. In February 2007 the US Vice President, Dick Cheney visited Australia and Howard offered more support to the US to help with their war in Iraq. This is what Howard offered: . . . a strengthening of . . . training effort comprising a dedicated logistics team of roughly 50 personnel, together with about 20 extra Army training instructors to work with the Iraqi Army. And that, it is whispered, is where the money went. It was ripped away from needy Australians to help America with their war in Iraq. Aided, by the way, with a nice little terrorist alert around the same time to help cushion the blow; to win public support. A terrorist alert, I have on advice, that was fabricated for political gain.[/b] http://theaimn.com/2013/05/07/joe-hockey-welfare-to-work-and-a-pack-of-damn-lies/ DESPICABLE!!! N'

Tom of Melboune

8/05/2013He's the font of ethics, facts and transparent blogging, apparently.

nasking

8/05/2013 A MESSAGE FOR THE COALITION: http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=y3Z2MP8vMWU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dy3Z2MP8vMWU N'

Michael

8/05/2013The calibre of attacks on Shouldabeen's paid parental leave levy is rising. http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4676538.html Look for a leadership spill soon. The little man hates being opposed. "No no no!!!"

Ken

8/05/2013I posted an earlier comment about the high AUD before the Reserve Bank announced its cash rate cut. The primary target of the cut was the AUD and the Bank has made it clear that it is willing to cut further to bring the dollar down. But I have seen little comment on that from the MSM commentators. Instead they seem to have taken Hockey's line that it is more about getting the economy moving again. Only some of the better economic commentators have emphasised the real reason for the cut, like TheKouk. The cut will help the economy if the dollar does fall because it will improve the export competitiveness of Australian manufacturers and it is essential to get the manufacturing industries going again before the mining boom peters out. But as I said in my earlier post, this is still a difficult task while the interest rates in other developed economies are still below 1%. We may need to go down to 2% or less to have the impact the Reserve Bank is looking for.

nasking

8/05/2013 FASCINATING, REVEALING, USEFUL INFO: [b]State of the World's Mothers Report 2013 Every year Save the Children's State of the World's Mothers report reminds us of the inextricable link between the well-being of mothers and their children. The report compares 176 countries globally, showing which are succeeding – and which are failing – in saving the lives of mothers and their newborn babies. The report looks at factors such as mother’s health, education and economic status, as well as critical child indicators such as health and nutrition. According to the new findings, Australia is the best place in the southern hemisphere to be a mother, and is the only non-European country in the top ten, which places Finland at number one, followed by Sweden and Norway. Mothers’ Index Rankings[/b] [b]European countries – along with Australia – dominate the top positions on the Mothers’ Index while countries in sub-Saharan Africa fill the lowest ranks. The United States places 30th this year.[/b] [b]The 10 top-ranked countries, in general, are among the best countries in the world for mothers’ and children’s health, educational, economic and political status.[/b] The 10 bottom-ranked countries – all from sub-Saharan Africa – are a reverse image of the top 10, performing poorly on all indicators. Conditions for moth- ers and their children in these countries are devastating: • On average, 1 woman in 30 is likely to die from a pregnancy-related cause. • 1 child in 7 dies before his or her fifth birthday. • Children can expect to receive as little as 2 years but at most only 9 years of formal education. • GNI per capita, a measure of a country’s economic welfare and a mother’s access to resources, is less than $600 on average. • Women hold only 11 percent of parliamentary seats on average. • Eight out of 10 women are likely to suffer the loss of a child in their lifetime. [b]The contrast between the top-ranked country, Finland, and the lowest- ranked country, Democratic Republic of the Congo, is striking. In Finland, nearly 43 percent of parliamentary seats are held by women; in DR Congo only 8 percent are. A Finnish child can expect to receive almost 17 years of formal education, while the typical child in DR Congo receives 8.5 years. Maternal death is a rare event in Finland (a woman has less than a 1 in 12,000 chance of dying in pregnancy or childbirth). But in DR Congo, 1 woman in 30 is likely to die of a maternal cause...[/b] ...2. We need to create mother and baby-friendly health systems to deliver lifesaving interventions, especially at the time of birth. • We need to provide women with greater access to midwives so that all women receive quality obstetric care and give birth with attendants who are trained in newborn as well as maternal health care. This requires train- ing new health workers and ensuring that existing workers have the right training, skills and supplies; they also need to be part of a functioning health system that focuses on communities of the greatest need and uses the latest evidence to guide program improvement. • With more mothers delivering in health facilities such as clinics or hospitals, increased attention needs to be given to improving the quality of care in those facilities. With millions more births in facilities, we must seize the opportunity to ensure effective care is given, lives are saved, conditions are hygienic and women are respected. Health providers should ensure that mothers are knowledgeable about appropriate care practices before they leave a facility – and that they know when and where to seek care if needed once they get home. • Community health workers can play a vital role, especially in the critical postnatal period, visiting women and babies, promoting breastfeeding, pro- viding access to family planning, and supporting families for basic newborn care – things such as warmth, breastfeeding, cord care and hygiene. These workers need to be part of a broader health system. • [b]We need to move Universal Health Coverage from aspiration to reality. Investing in midwives and other frontline health workers is a critical piece of a broader movement to ensure Universal Health Coverage so that every- one – starting with the most vulnerable – receives essential, high-quality care without descending into poverty. It also requires increasing investment in health, building strong, fully functioning health systems and remov- ing financial and other barriers to access and use of services. [/b] http://www.savethechildren.org.au/resources/state-of-the-worlds-mothers-report-2013 AND SOME IN THE COALITION WOULD LIKE TO TAKE US DOWN THE PATH TO THE AMERICAN HEALTH SYSTEM. [b]DOWN[/b] BEING THE KEY WORD. N'

TalkTurkey

8/05/2013Ross Bowler ‏@BowlerBarrister 8m "AshbyGate" on Tweeted Times http://tweetedtimes.com/search/AshbyGate/en …

Ad astra

8/05/2013Hi Lyn I'm working through your interesting links, but have to go out for a while. I'll complete them later.

Tom of Melbourne

8/05/2013Hmmm, it's interesting when sites like AIMN and their owners present themselves as an ethical media alternative, but then circulate unsupported, fact free gosip. Nasking, good luck with presenting that as a credible source.

TalkTurkey

8/05/2013#womenofcalibre Women of Calibre Wrecking the joint! U don't need Excalibur To drive home a point!

nasking

8/05/2013 WHAT'S WITH ABC 24? WAS WATCHING THE PM AT MARSDEN SHS JUST DOWN FROM US AND THEY LOSE THE CONNECTION. NO GOOD! N'

Crowey

8/05/2013The media are having a field day regarding the upcoming federal budget, the back flip by Penny Wong yesterday, and today Greg Combet, is leaving the ALP wide open to criticism by the cynical voters and believe you me their are plenty.

nasking

8/05/2013 I JUST LODGED A COMPLAINT WITH THE ABC. FANCY THEM CUTTING AWAY FROM THE PM AT A SCHOOL WHERE THERE ARE PLENTY OF DISADVANTAGED STUDENTS...IN OUR AREA OF LOGAN...IT'S NOT AS THO WE GET MANY OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES THIS SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY (IF YA GET THE GIST) SO TO LOSE THAT VISION ON ABC 24 IS UNFORGIVEABLE. TOP SPEECH BY AUNTY...AND GRAIG EMERSON. VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT I HAD TO CATCH THE END OF THE SPEECH AT SKY NEWS. NOT ON. N'

bob macalba

8/05/2013'Women of calibre' aka 'selective breeding'..part of the doctrine of another tosspot from last century..wots his name again?

TalkTurkey

8/05/2013Bloody ABC, they don't have any problem with their feed to Snotty Joe Hockey, the moment they start to broadcast the PM they lose it, it feels absolutely deliberate. With you Nasking. Except I don't have SKY.

nasking

8/05/2013 TT, I NOTICED THE MOMENT THE PM STARTED SPEAKING THE PICTURE BECAME DISTORTED...THAT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN ON ABC 24. BEYOND ODD. INDEED...THEY DON'T SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM WHEN THE NEGABORES IN THE COALITION START SPEAKING. OUR PM IS NOT BEING PROVIDED AN EVEN PLAYING FIELD. N'

nasking

8/05/2013 MAKE THAT [b]'LEVEL PLAYING FIELD'[/b]

Ad astra

8/05/2013Ken We do have a problem with the competence of economists that comment on the national economy. So often, their predictions are completely wrong. The Kouk, who is an accomplished economist with a background in national economics, was one of the few who correctly predicted yesterday’s Reserve bank reduction in the cash rate. A major problem is the differences in ideology between economists. In an piece I wrote over three years ago: [i]The problem with economists[/i], http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/post/2009/02/18/The-problem-with-economists.aspx one paragraph read: [i]”Another problem with economists is that some are wedded to a particular theory of economics, a paradigm that governs their thinking. There are scores of theories, but the ones being touted in this debate on macroeconomics are Keynesian economics, Friedrich Hayek’s free market capitalism, and Milton Friedman’s monetarist, anti-regulation policies…The debate seems to be broadly between those who believe government needs to regulate financial institutions to avoid situations such as we now suffer, and free marketeers who eschew regulation, who believe private enterprise operating in free markets with minimal regulation is the way to prosperity.”[/i] The writings of economics correspondents reflect the favoured paradigm of the writer, and events and actions of government are interpreted in the light of that paradigm. So, we have Keynesian economists like The Kouk writing in a pro-Keynesian way, as do writers like Ross Gittins and Peter Martin, while most of the others, who reject Keynesianism, write with an entirely different slant. So whom does the voter believe? Probably the most persuasive one, or the one whose opinions are expressed in the voter’s favoured media outlet! It is a sorry situation, which results in the electorate not receiving a balanced appraisal of the country’s economic situation, hearing only the loudest and most strident voices. As you point out, we see this playing out in the reporting on yesterday’s interest rate cut.

Michael

8/05/2013Re the ABC I can do no better than quote (and deliver) the recaptcha for this post. question axpests

MWS

8/05/2013Apparently Joe Hockey has had a thought-bubble to reduce Government costs: [quote]"Mr Hockey wants to dramatically streamline the agencies, with one idea being to merge their front-office operations with post offices."[/quote] My local shopping centre has a post office - it's tiny and has only two counters - and often only one person serving. How are they expected to offer Centrelink services as well - with no possibility of privacy, as the whole public area is about 5 metres squared? My main shopping centre also has a post office - and the queues are usually out of the door, and I only shop during quiet times, and never on weekends. How many more staff will be needed in each post office, and how much extra floor space will be required in every PO to enable Centrelink services to be offered? In both cases, the public area of the local Centrelink office is BIGGER than the post offices! It is patently obvious that Joe Hockey doesn't visit a post office! http://www.afr.com/p/national/hockey_raises_prospect_of_middle_k97QJUdU66Ux04f3Os9XMM

Catching up

8/05/2013It is time for us women of lesser calibre to begin wrecking that smug world of Mr. Abbott. Time to let him know, we are not insignificant.

Catching up

8/05/2013Those charities that Howard attempted to muzzle, are there to serve their clients, not the government. They have two roles. One to supply services the weak need. The other to lobby on their behalf. It was the second role, Howard tried to stop. I heard Hockey tell the Master Builders this week, that the special courts for building employees will be bouhgt back. Mr Hockey said we cannot have the disgraceful behaviour of union members, protesting outside Gollans, That cannot be allow to continue. So unions, in Hockey's eyes have no right to protest. Charities have no right to speak out on behalf of their clients. Mr. Brandis, it is muzzling of freedom of speech. Cando has signed NDIS.

Catching up

8/05/2013I suspect any services that post offices could deliver in relation to Centrelink, with untrained staff are already being done on line. How does a PO ensure privacy.

Catching up

8/05/2013Liberals out again promising tax cuts. Are tax cuts needed at this time. The biggest problem is falling revenues.

Tom of Melboune

8/05/2013[i]“falling revenue”[/i]????? You should try checking some facts occasionally Catching Up. Revenue isn’t falling!! It is increasing quite quickly! At about 7%! It’s just that the government got its forecast wrong (again), and thought the boom was here permanently. That’s Swan for you. But really, you don’t do yourself any favours by getting it all wrong so often.

Catching up

8/05/2013Tom,if you insist on relying on dodgy figures and graphs from Liberal sites. that is your problem, not mine. Many can be found in detail on this site. http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/

Sir Ian Crisp

8/05/2013[quote][b]Should you decide to ‘Disseminate this post’ it will be sent to the following parliamentarians: Tony Abbott, Eric Abetz, Anthony Albanese, Julie Bishop, David Bradbury, George Brandis, [u]Greg Combet[/u], Stephen Conroy, Mathias Cormann, Craig Emerson, Josh Frydenberg, Joe Hockey, Greg Hunt, Barnaby Joyce, Bob Katter, Andrew Leigh, Christine Milne, Sophie Mirabella, Robert Oakeshott, Christopher Pyne, Andrew Robb, Bill Shorten, Arthur Sinodinos, Wayne Swan, Warren Truss, Malcolm Turnbull, Andrew Wilkie, Tony Windsor, [u]Penny Wong[/u] and Nick Xenophon.[/b][/quote] Ad Astra has thoughtfully added a list, at the foot of his various seminal essays, of politicians who might benefit by reading the "Thoughts of Ad Astra". What is the result? Lackwits Penny Wrong and Greg Comet obviously can't read. Both Wrong and Comet have in the last couple of days announced ALP austerity measures that are sure to displease Ad Astra and Mr Krugman. [quote][b]More cuts to come after carbon tax compensation payments are shelved: Greg Combet[/b] http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/climate/carbon-compensation-payments-put-off-after-price-slump/story-e6frg6xf-1226637448746 [/quote] Is Mr Comet more smitten by the charms of his new love rather than dedicating his time to reducing the world's temperature?

TalkTurkey

8/05/2013Justice Michael Kirby to head deputation to report on N Korean civil rights. Interesting to me because I really think he would be a wonderful First President. Tomorrow Thursday is the day Abborrrrt v Ettridge goes to court. Please, please, oh PLEASE ... Not a sound about it in the MSM. It's ... SSSPOOOOO~KEEEEEE !

Jason

8/05/2013Sir Ian There is plenty to be smitten by!Just think back to when you were young and firm some young lib or Nat may have been smitten with you! Unlikely I know but possible!

Sir Ian Crisp

8/05/2013[quote][b]Sir Ian There is plenty to be smitten by!Just think back to when you were young and firm some young lib or Nat may have been smitten with you! Unlikely I know but possible! Jason [/b][/quote] Hey big JGuy. Is being young and firm the same as being young and naive? Do you think I could've helped a married woman fleece the money of others and then claim to have been "young and naive"?

Jason

8/05/2013Do you think I could've helped a married woman fleece the money of others and then claim to have been "young and naive" YES!

Tom of Melbourne

8/05/2013Honestly Catching Up, you need to be more careful. Even the graphs you refer to demonstrate that the government get more revenue this year than last year. This is the graph from that site you should look at. http://lh5.ggpht.com/-fLocfxkjB8g/UYns3jcxDlI/AAAAAAAAHus/a4S3CXniJhY/s1600-h/image%25255B24%25255D.png [b]CATCHING UP – THANKS FOR PROVING MY POINT[/b]

Curi-Oz

8/05/2013We have just had a phone call from "Nationwide Marketing Research". What Excitement! Our house has just taken part in a political phone poll! I afforded my spouse a degree of amusement when asked my feelings on Mr Abbott, but fear that I may not be counted because I won't be voting Liberal this weekend at least. I was unable to find out which media outlet would be using the poll data, which was a little disappointing, but definately amusing on a day when the weather has been so delightfully soggy!

nasking

8/05/2013 ONCE AGAIN ABC POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT [b]MARK SIMKIN SHOWS HIMSELF TO BE NO BETTER THAN A TABLOID HACK[/b]...HIS STORY WAS [b]NEGATIVITY OVERBOARD[/b] AND BEGAN BY [b]FOCUSING ON THE MOST TRIVIAL OF INCIDENTS[/b]: "[b]SQUEALS, SCREAMS AND FLYING VEGEMITE SANDWICHES[/b]...THE PRIME MINISTER RECEIVED QUITE A RECEPTION..." CUT TO THE PM HAVING TO RESPOND TO A [b]DERAILING QUESTION BY ANOTHER USUAL SUSPECT [/b]ABOUT A NOTHING INCIDENT AT OUR LOCAL SCHOOL... A RESPONSE MUCH LONGER THAN SHOWN IN THE CLIP EXPLAINING IN AN ADULT WAY SHE WAS ENTHUSED ABOUT THE GREETING FROM THE STUDENTS AND FOUND THE SANDWICH THROWING INCIDENT TRIVIAL AT BEST...WHICH IT INDEED WAS FROM THE FEEDBACK I HAVE RECEIVED... YET, MARK SIMKIN MANAGED TO CUT THE POSITIVES OUT OF OUR PM BEING GREETED ENTHUSIASTICALLY BY OUR LOCAL STUDENTS, PREFERRING TO FOCUS ON THE TABLOID TRIVIAL. FURTHERMORE, BY DESCRIBING THE STUDENTS' GREETINGS IN OUR LOCAL AREA AS "[b]SQUEALING[/b]" HE DEMONSTRATES YET AGAIN WHAT AN [b]ELITIST AND BIASED PRAT[/b] HE REALLY IS...AND [b]RUDE[/b]. PIGS SQUEAL...NOT STUDENTS. BTW, [b]MARK SIMKIN WENT TO THE SAME PRIVATE CATHOLIC SCHOOL AS TONY ABBOTT.[/b] ABC, YOU REALLY HAVE BECOME [b]A HAVEN FOR PRIVATE SCHOOL ELITISTS[/b] WHO HAVE LITTLE RESPECT FOR THE PUBLIC SYSTEM. [b]SHAME[/b]! N'

Catching up

8/05/2013Tom, one needs to address the whole context. Surprisingly, I care not what you think. Problem could be that outgoings also rose. For every action there is a reaction. Many experts do not agree with you. But them they are according to you and your ilk, stupid as well. People are able to work it out for themselves. Keep it up, someone might just listen to you. Never know your luck. Bye bye

nasking

8/05/2013 THIS FROM THE 'EXPOSING TONY ABBOTT...' SITE: [b]Murdoch strikes again!!! Nova FM did a poor job in accurately reporting Julia Gillards visit to Marsden High School in Queensland. Their news reports at both 5pm and 6pm emphasized and largely focused on the fact that a sandwich was thrown at the Prime Minister. They went on to give the impression that the majority of students gave a hostile welcome to Julia Gillard, with many hurling abuse. This is simply not true. The vast majority of students clamoured for autographs. As Nova is owned by Lachlan Murdoch's Illyria Pty Ltd, I am not surprised.[/b] DISGRACEFUL. AND MARK SIMKIN ON THE ABC DID SAME. HE WENT TO SAME PRESTIGIOUS CATHOLIC SCHOOL AS TONY ABBOTT. HE SHOULD CONSIDER LEAVING THE PUBLIC BROADCASTER AND GO WORK FOR MURDOCH. I HAVE MADE AN OFFICIAL COMPLAINT TO MEDIA WATCH. TALK ABOUT ADDING INSULT TO INJURY...NOT ONLY DID THE ABC 24 DISTORT THE PM'S IMAGE AND THEN LOSE THE RECEPTION NOT TO RETURN SO WE MISSED HER IMPORTANT SPEECH IN OUR LOCAL SCHOOL...BUT SIMKIN INSULTS OUR STUDENTS AND MANAGES TO TACK A TABLOID APPROACH ON TO A NEGATIVE AND UNRELATED STORY ABOUT THE CARBON PRICE TAX CUTS BEING DEFERRED. ENUFF IS ENUFF. OUR KIDS AND AREA DESERVE TO BE TREATED WITH MORE RESPECT. IT GIVES YOU A GOOD IDEA OF HOW THE ABBOTT LIBS AND THEIR SUPPORTING MEDIA WILL TREAT OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS IF ABBOTT GETS ON. RELIGIOUS ELITISTS ON THE RAMPAGE. N'

nasking

8/05/2013 Should be: [b]IT GIVES YOU A GOOD IDEA OF HOW THE ABBOTT LIBS AND THEIR SUPPORTING MEDIA WILL TREAT OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS IF ABBOTT GETS IN.[/b]

Sir Ian Crisp

8/05/2013[quote][b]Living within our means, Hockey style[/b][/quote] [quote][b][u]Living within our means, Wrong and Comet style[/u][/b][/quote] [quote][i]FAMILIES will miss out on a tax boost worth up to $600 a year after the government confirmed it was scrapping the measure in the upcoming budget. And the government is facing revenue black hole this financial year of $17 billion. Finance Minister Penny Wong this morning confirmed the Government would not go ahead with its plans to boost Family Tax Benefit part A from July 1. [/i][/quote] [quote][b]Climate Change Minister Greg Combet admitted on Wednesday the government would revise down its forecasts for the carbon price because of a recent crash in Europe's carbon market. Mr Combet said this made sense since Australia's carbon price would be linked to Europe in 2015. The government would be "deferring" its plan to increase the tax-free threshold in 2015, because of the falling global carbon price. [/b][/quote] What a cruel hoax to play on the people of Australia.

Tom of Melbourne

8/05/2013Yet again Catching Up, you make a foolish comment demonstrating either ignorance or dishonesty. Then (yet again) you try to obfuscate and weasel out of your comments. It’s a habit for you. So let’s just look at your specific comments , you said – [i]” The biggest problem is falling revenues.[/i] [b]Which isn’t a fact![/b] You then said I should look at a site for proof of your comment! [b]The site you linked specifically and clearly indicates an increase in government revenue![/b] You then change beat a retreat from your first position claiming – [i]” one needs to address the whole context… Problem could be that outgoings also rose.”[/i] That is you essentially deny the first point you made!! [b]CATCHING UP – IS DISHONESTY OR IGNORANCE THE BEST THAT YOU CAN COME UP WITH IN DEFENDING THE GOVERNMENT??[/b]

nasking

8/05/2013 JUST DELETED LATELINE AFTER A FEW MINUTES OF WATCHING THE SAME SANDWICH THROWING CRAP AND NEGATIVITY. NO LONGER GOING TO WATCH THE ABC FULL-TIME. MY WIFE SAID SHE CAN'T STAND WATCHING IT ANYMORE...MAKES HER FEEL ILL. THE BIAS AGAINST THIS PM IS BEYOND DISGRACEFUL. I WILL NOW ONLY TAKE MY NEWS FROM THE FIFTH ESTATE AND A FEW MSM JOURNOS I TRUST. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH VALID CRITICISM AND SCRUTINY OF GOVT POLICIES BUT WILL NOT TOLERATE HYPERBOLIC TABLOID NONSENSE FROM SUITED TOFFS. I WAS KIND ENUFF NOT TO MENTION TONY JONES' ODD PATHETIC ATTEMPT TO PULL A 'GOTYA' ON THE PM DURING HER Q&A SESSION...BUT IT DOES NOT SURPRISE ME WE GET THE SAME TABLOID SHITE ON HIS LATELINE EPISODE. N'

nasking

8/05/2013 OLD LANCASHIRE POEM DURING THE BRITISH INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION: Four-Loom Weaver [ Roud 937 ; Ballad Index DTfourlo ; trad.] [b]This is a ballad about the economic crisis of 1819-20 where many handloom weavers lost their work due to the rise of steam driven weaving machines. Ewan MacColl learned this song from Mrs. Whitehead, near Oldham, in Lancashire. He sang the first three verses of the lyrics below in a 1951 recording by Alan Lomax that can be found on the CD World Library of Folk and Primitive Music: England.[/b] A.L. Lloyd sang this song with the title The Poor Cotton Wayver in 1963 on the album of industrial ballads, The Iron Muse. Maddy Prior and June Tabor sang Four-Loom Weaver a cappella in 1976 on their album Silly Sisters. Tan Yows learned it from this album and recorded it in 2012 for their CD Undipped. A related ballad is A.L. Lloyd's and Steeleye Span's The Weaver and the Factory Maid. Lyrics Maddy Prior and June Tabor sing Four-Loom Weaver I'm a four-loom weaver as many a one knows; I've nowt to eat and I've worn out me clothes. My clogs are both broken and stockings I've none; You'd scarce give me tuppence for owt I've gotten on. Old Billy o't' Bent he kept telling me long We might have better times if I'd nobbut hold my tongue. I've holden me tongue till I've near lost my breath And I feel in me own heart I'll soon clem to death. I'm a four-loom weaver as many a one knows; I've nowt to eat and I've worn out me clothes. Old Billy's awreet, he never were clemmed And he never picked o'er in his life. We held on for six weeks, thought each day were the last; We've tarried and shifted till now we're quite fast. We lived upon nettles while nettles were good And Waterloo porridge was the best of ours food. I'm a four-loom weaver as many a one knows; I've nowt to eat and I've worn out me clothes. Me clogs are both broken, no looms to weave on, And I've woven meself to far end. THE PEOPLE NEED TO TURN THEIR FOCUS ON THE ONES (CORPORATIONS, COMPANIES AND THEIR MEDIA PROPAGANDA OUTFITS AND WILLING PUPPET POLLIES) WHO PROFIT AND BENEFIT FROM BRUTAL CHANGE AND USING MACHINERY AND CHEAPLY PAID MIGRANT WORKERS SO AS TO DISMISS LOYAL WORKERS WITH NARY A THOUGHT...AND KEEP OTHER VIABLE WORKERS FROM TAKING UP THE POSITIONS. TURNING ON THE UNFORTUNATE AND DESPERATE AS YOU IS WEAK...AND FRUITLESS...AND EXACTLY WHAT THE PROFITEERS WANT. A USEFUL DISTRACTION. N'

nasking

8/05/2013 SITE: http://mainlynorfolk.info/june.tabor/songs/fourloomweaver.html N'

nasking

8/05/2013 “There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen.” ― Vladimir Ilyich Lenin INDEED. N'

nasking

8/05/2013 I'M NOT A COMMUNIST...BUT I SURE CAN SEE WHEN THE SYSTEM IS FAILING...AS HAS THIS TOO OFT RAMPANT CAPITALISM... TIME FOR A CHANGE...BY IGNORING MUCH OF THE MSM AND VOTING FOR A FAIRER FUTURE WHERE THE MONEY AND ASSETS DON'T FLOOD TO THE TOP. I'M TAKING A BREAK TO REST MY EYES. POWER TO THE PEOPLE! LET THE FIFTH ESTATE SHINE THAT LIGHT OF FAIRNESS, JUSTICE AND EGALITARIANISM...LET IT BE. N'

TalkTurkey

9/05/2013Nasking Your input is awesome - I use the word carefully. (Poor Poor Cotton Wayver!) Folks don't forget that Abborrrrrrtt v Ettridge event today. ABC is constantly a source of outrage to me. Simpkin and Iggulden are maggotts.

lyn

9/05/2013Today’s Links The Costello Commission redux by @LarvatusProdeo discover a black hole and sell and cut like crazy to fill it. It’s what Kennett did. It’s what Newman is doing. It’s what Costello and Howard pulled in 1996, though they spent like drunken sailors in the latter Howard years. And it’s what the Tories in the UK have done. http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/05/the-costello-commission-redux/ Howard’s End: how the coalition’s last budget created the ground for the current deficits by @ConversationEDU The focus on these sorts of welfare cuts begins the dismantling of policies that were central to John Howard and Peter Costello’s budgets, especially the pair’s final big-spending 2007 budget which bestowed generous tax concessions – in areas such as superannuation http://theconversation.com/howards-end-how-the-coalitions-last-budget-created-the-ground-for-the-current-deficits-13848 Tony Abbott’s questions of character by @independentaus I used to think that John Howard was a mean-spirited, nasty piece of work, but in comparison to Tony Abbott he appears as kind, caring and compassionate as Mother Teresa. http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/tony-abbotts-mugging-produces-a-one-sided-affair/ George Brandis, free speech charlatan by @geeksrulz MARGO: I am so disgusted with the Brandis free speech interview on @Lateline I don’t trust myself to write about it. It brought back memories of the Howard Government’s relentless assaults on free speech http://australiansforhonestpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/george-brandis-free-speech-charlatan/ Who’s a fiscal conservative then- @macro_business But taking Hockey at his word, that he’ll use his savings to pay down debt, the back of my envelope suggests he is currently carrying some $10-12 billion per annum in unfunded promises. http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/05/whos-a-fiscal-conservative-then/ Calm down, this is no rates emergency by @TheKouk official cash rate at 2.75 per cent which is, of course, below the 3 per cent low point that prevailed during the depths of the global banking and economic crisis. But the other policy levers are so vastly different that all talk of ‘emergency monetary policy’ is economic clap trap. http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/5/8/economy/calm-down-no-rates-emergency#ixzz2Sh5Ibp1r RBA guns the economic engines as govt applies the brakes by @BernardKeane & Glenn Dyer Yesterday’s surprise rate cut is designed to address both the strong dollar and a domestic economy struggling as governments slash spending, http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/05/08/rba-guns-the-economic-engines-as-govt-applies-the-brakes/ The economic geography of big cities by @1RossGittins If you've seen those ads the mining industry is running you probably realise the entire economy is riding on the miners' backs, and if asked to pay another dollar more in tax they'll up sticks and shift their mines to some better-run country like Peru or Nigeria http://www.rossgittins.com/2013/05/the-economic-geography-of-big-cities.html The stubbornly high Aussie. Why the RBA cut and will cut again by @1petermartin Deep concern about the high Australian dollar drove the Reserve Bank to cut its cash rate to the lowest level on record Tuesday, a cut quickly passed on by all but one of the big banks. http://www.petermartin.com.au/2013/05/the-stubbonly-high-aussie-why-rba-cut.html Abbott’s presstitutes by @MigloMT To all the journalists in our country: “Helloooo, where are you? Do any of you have the guts to ask Abbott why his party didn’t even bother to turn up when it was introduced into Parliament? http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/abbotts-presstitutes ABETZ ASCENDANT: With frenemies like Alex Hawke, PM-to-be Tony Abbott is desperately going to need friends like Eric Abetz by Vex News Abetz is an unalloyed conservative and if Tony Abbott wants to run a successful and stable government, he needs Abetz as his hyperactive sheepdog, ensuring that Tony keeps the conservative faith in the face of a left-liberal Zeitgeist. http://www.vexnews.com/2013/05/abetz-ascendant-with-frenemies-like-alex-hawke-pm-to-be-tony-abbott-is-desperately-going-to-need-friends-like-eric-abetz/ Man Overboard Tonys Boats Backflip by @saint13333 The truth of what has happened is that Abbott has decided to backtrack on his two and a half-year promise knowing that for this period he has engaged in the most racist vile dog whistling politics focused on people who are politically ignorant and disengaged. http://theaimn.com/2013/05/08/man-overboard-tonys-boats-backflip/ A Strange Day by @madwixxy Many believe Abbott thinks that this is the policy that will deflect all those claims of misogyny, as if having an expensive parental leave policy somehow makes up for throwing punches at a womans head. http://wixxyleaks.com/2013/05/08/a-strange-day/ Women of that calibre - A statistical tone poem by @newsfliporg Tony Abbott's comments on the motivation for his signature Paid Parental Leave program have given us further insight into why 'this man' is born-to-rule, and not ready-to-rule. http://www.newsflip.org/ What women want? No more gaffes, thanks by @clementine_ford While it's possible Abbott simply lacks the kind of grace and insight befitting a leader who will be called upon to represent their country on the international stage, there are also claims he possesses the aggressive tendencies of a pitbull. http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4677366.html Mr Abbott’s Er Um Ah ‘Woman of Calibre’ blunder speaks volumes by @YaThinkN then how the hell is he going to cope when every conversation he has with a foreign power, drama overseas, terrorist situation etc., which is NOT scripted. These very serious situations will happen. Look at the last 12 months alone, Prime Minister Gillard has had to negotiate with http://yathink.com.au/article-display/mr-abbotts-er-um-ah-woman-of-calibre-blunder-speaks-volumes,70 Tony Abbott’s record on maternity leave makes his current promise hard to believe by Tanja Kova nothing more than spin. He will say and do anything now to win the women's vote. But his track record of issues that matter to women means there is no guarantee he will respect our vote the morning after the election. http://www.womensagenda.com.au/talking-about/opinions/tony-abbotts-record-on-maternity-leave-makes-his-current-promise-hard-to-believe/201305072105 Parenting leave – two strong policies with a deep divide by @fakeedbutler If this strange inversion of political philosophies is hurting your head, fear not, you’re not alone. The Coalition’s policy makes no real sense when stood alongside their general fiscal rhetoric. http://ausvotes2013.com/2013/05/08/parenting-leave-two-strong-policies-with-a-deep-divide/ Fair Dinkum chance for women of calibre by @spicertracey This was concocted by Mr. Abbott’s spin-doctors to divert attention from his perceived ‘women problem’. Now, he faces a backlash from the hard heads, asking why a free-market, pro-business, low-tax party is supporting a levy on 3,000 Australian companies. http://thehoopla.com.au/fair-dinkum-chance-women-calibre/ Tony Abbott, Mitt Romney Team Up To Produce ‘Binders Full of Women of Calibre’ by @The_Shovel_ It’s a handy guidebook for political parties or corporations who want to increase their female numbers, without having to deal with the riff raff,” said publisher Ron Truby. “We’ve eliminated all of the women without calibre http://theshovel.com.au/2013/05/08/tony-abbott-mitt-romney-team-up-to-produce-binders-full-of-women-of-calibre/ Turnbull blasts Labor over unsold spectrum in Digital Dividend by @WatchAdam Conroy had not raised the price of the 700MHz spectrum, the total revenue would have been “way lower,” he said.IBRS analyst Guy Cranswick agreed: “Given the rules of the auction and the no show of http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/461131/turnbull_blasts_labor_over_unsold_spectrum_digital_dividend/#comment-1236418 Today’s Front Pages Australian Newspaper Front Pages for 9 May 2013 http://www.thepaperboy.com/australia/front-pages.cfm

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9/05/2013LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/LYNS-DAILY-LINKS.aspx

nasking

9/05/2013 THE INSIDIOUS AND MALIGNANT CANCER THAT IS THE PRESENT EVER-DISTRACTING CORPORATE RAMPANT CAPITALIST FREE BUT NOT FAIR TRADE SYSTEM ENSURES THAT IT USES THREATS TO WORKERS' LIVELIHOODS TO KEEP ITS CRUDDY SYSTEM GOING...IT HAS INFILTRATED OUR PUBLIC BROADCASTERS, CABLE TELEVISION, HUFFINGTON POST, OUR BOOKS, TV SHOWS, GAMES, MOVIES, MAGAZINES, POLITICIANS...IT WARNS US NOT TO BOYCOTT BRANDS AND LABELS IN CASE IT AFFECTS JOBS...OF COURSE IT DOES. IT USES EVERY KIND OF EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL AND CON TO SURVIVE IN ITS PRESENT EXPLOITIVE FORM WHERE OUR PUBLIC SERVICES AND ASSETS ARE OUTSOURCED, PRIVATISED AND USED AS A WAY TO SERVE THE CORPORATE INTERESTS...OUR SMALL FARMS ARE CRUSHED...OUR SMALL BUSINESSES DESTROYED BY ANTI-COMPETITIVE BEHAVIOUR...SO MONEY AND ASSETS FLOOD EVER UPWARD TO 'THE FEW'. IT RELIES ON YOUR APATHY...YOUR FATIGUE...YOUR CYNICISM...YOUR INABILITY TO SEE PAST THE CELEBRITY DISTRACTIONS AND FINGER-POINTING DIVERSIONS...IT PREFERS WORKERS FIGHT WORKERS...IT PREFERS THE STRUGGLING DAY TO DAY WORKERS AND DISADVANTAGED BLAME MIGRANTS AND BOAT PEOPLE AND GAYS...IT CONTINUES TO FEED ITS GIANT INSATIABLY HUNGRY MAW BY KEEPING YOU LOOKING AWAY FROM ITS EXPLOITATION, CRIMES, GREED AND CORRUPTION...AND JUST WHEN YOU FINALLY FOCUS ON IT...IT WILL CREATE ANOTHER ECONOMIC CRASH...THE FEW WILL BENEFIT...WHILST IT MANUFACTURES A FALSE LEFT AND RIGHT POLITICAL DIVIDE...SO WE FIGHT ONE ANOTHER...RATHER THAN KEEP FOCUSING ON IT...THE CANCER THAT IS THE MALIGNANT CORPORATE RAMPANT CAPITALIST FREE BUT NOT FAIR TRADE SYSTEM. POWER TO THE PEOPLE...NO LONGER EYES WIDE SHUT. N'

nasking

9/05/2013 GO LYN...GO TT. GO AD. GO FIFTH ESTATE!!! OVERCOME THE BS. SHINE THAT LIGHT. N'

Jason

9/05/2013How fast is the NBN? http://howfastisthenbn.com.au/

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9/05/2013Hi Lyn I’ve a busy day today and am returning to the south coast. I’ve already looked through and have enjoyed your always-informative links. It seems that it is not possible to rely on the Fourth Estate to expose the ugly side of the Coalition; it is the Fifth Estate that does the heavy lifting. I see Miglo has been exposing the Coalition in several places. Good on him.

Ken

9/05/2013Just a personal peeve. I’m getting fed up with the number of economic commentators suggesting that there is a need to reintroduce tax on superannuation for over 60s as a way to help raise revenue. They tend to state it simply that way without explaining how it actually works. It is only tax free if tax has already been paid on it. In my case, because of the current arrangements, about half of my superannuation payment is taxable. That comes about because I made additional superannuation payments from my salary after my gross salary had already been taxed. If that part of my superannuation was taxed, it would amount to double taxation. On the other hand my wife, who receives a similar amount, pays tax on the full amount of her superannuation. (Admittedly the tax isn’t large because our incomes aren’t large.) The point is that superannuation for over 60s is still taxable unless tax has prevously been paid, either by the indidvidual or the superannuation fund, on the amounts involved. It is the same principle as the “fully franked dividends” which are not taxed because the company paying them has made the dividend payments from its after-tax profit. But I don’t hear those same commentators arguing that we should go back to all dividends being taxed. I would be prepared to concede that there may be some on high superannuation incomes that have arranged their tax matters to take advantage of the rule, but changing it now will also impact those on modest superannuation. One size does not fit all and any government rule on taxation, and, indeed, welfare, will always see some taking advantage but if the rule benefits the many, then that is the normal cost associated with these sorts of decisions. (As a side note, the media, of course, always focuses on the few who take advantage, and if the Government then responds and changes the rules, the media focuses on how it will impact on the many. Always a lose-lose for the Government!!!)

nasking

9/05/2013 SUPERB INTERVIEW WITH PM GILLARD ON 612 ABC RADIO...SO PLEASED SHE FOCUSED ON BI-PARTISANSHIP, THE HELP FOR THE DISABLED AND SHOWED RESPECT FOR MARSDEN SHS STUDENTS, PRINCIPAL AND THE SCHOOL'S VOCATIONAL TRAINING AND EDUCATION ACHIEVEMENTS. PM GILLARD DEMONSTRATES SHE KNOWS HER ECONOMICS...AND KNOWS HOW TO POSITIVELY SPRUIK THE ECONOMY, MANUFACTURING AND COUNTRY. ROLE OF LOCAL GOVT RECOGNITION REFERENDUM SOUNDS GOOD...AS LONG AS WE DON'T HEAD DOWN THE ROAD OF THE USA WHERE SCHOOLS ETC OFT DEPEND ON LOCAL TAXES... SO LOWER SOCIO-ECONOMIC AREAS STRUGGLE TO FUND SCHOOLS, FIREMEN AND SO ON WHILST WELL-OFF AREAS BENEFIT... AND FEDERAL REPUBLICANS CONSTANTLY VOTE TO UNDERMINE FEDERAL GOVT ASSISTANCE TO THOSE STRUGGLING POORER SCHOOL AREAS. N'

nasking

9/05/2013 I SHOULD HAVE ADDED AN IMPORTANT AREA TO MY COMMENT ABOVE: THE INSIDIOUS AND MALIGNANT CANCER THAT IS THE PRESENT EVER-DISTRACTING CORPORATE RAMPANT CAPITALIST FREE BUT NOT FAIR TRADE SYSTEM ENSURES THAT IT USES THREATS TO WORKERS' LIVELIHOODS TO KEEP ITS CRUDDY SYSTEM GOING...IT HAS INFILTRATED OUR PUBLIC BROADCASTERS, CABLE TELEVISION, HUFFINGTON POST, OUR BOOKS, TV SHOWS, GAMES, [b]SPORTS[/b], MOVIES, MAGAZINES, POLITICIANS... [b]SPORTS INDEED. CORPORATISED TO THE POINT OF ALMOST UNWATCHABLE. THE RAMPANT BETTING ASPECT GROTESQUE. [/b] [b]ABUSE OF PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS NOT SURPRISING AS ATHLETES DESPERATELY COMPETE FOR THE CORPORATE SPONSORSHIP DOLLARS.[/b] [b]= HOLLOW SPORTS[/b] N'

Tom of Melbourne

9/05/2013I see Lyn has linked the strange post on asylum seekers at AIMN. It's strange because it is all about blaming Abbott and the Catholic Church. It makes no mention of the political and ethical dishonesty of Gillard. It bordes on desperate incoherence. The post randomly flays around trying an extreme 'look over there'. Are contributors here, or at AIMN, dull enough to fall for it?

nasking

9/05/2013 THE PROBLEM WITH TRANSFERRING TOO MUCH FUNDING RESPONSIBILITY TO LOCAL GOVT: [quote]Funding for schools in the United States is complex. One current controversy stems much from the No Child Left Behind Act. The Act gives the Department of Education the right to withhold funding if it believes a school, district, or even a state is not complying with federal plans and is making no effort to comply. However, federal funding accounts for little of the overall funding schools receive. The vast majority comes from the state government and in some cases from local property taxes. Property taxes as a primary source of funding for public education have become highly controversial, for a number of reasons. First, if a state's population and land values escalate rapidly, many longtime residents may find themselves paying property taxes much higher than anticipated. In response to this phenomenon, California's citizens passed Proposition 13 in 1978, which severely restricted the ability of the Legislature to expand the state's educational system to keep up with growth. Some states, such as Michigan, have investigated or implemented alternate schemes for funding education that may sidestep the problems of funding based mainly on property taxes by providing funding based on sales or income tax. These schemes also have failings, negatively impacting funding in a slow economy. One of the biggest debates in funding public schools is funding by local taxes or state taxes. The federal government supplies around 8.5% of the public school system funds, according to a 2005 report by the National Center for Education Statistics. The remaining split between state and local governments averages 48.7 percent from states and 42.8 percent from local sources.[citation needed] However, the division varies widely. In Hawaii local funds make up 1.7 percent, while state sources account for nearly 90.1 percent. Rural schools struggle with funding concerns. State funding sources often favor wealthier districts. The state establishes a minimum flat amount deemed "adequate" to educate a child based on equalized assessed value of property taxes. This favors wealthier districts with a much larger tax base. This, combined with the history of slow payment in the state, leaves rural districts searching for funds. Lack of funding leads to limited resources for teachers. Resources that directly relate to funding include access to high-speed internet, online learning programs and advanced course offerings. These resources can enhance a student's learning opportunities, but may not be available to everyone if a district cannot afford to offer specific programs.[/quote] WIKIPEDIA WOULDN'T ABBOTT AND THE COALITION LOVE TO CREATE THAT KIND OF FUNDING NIGHTMARE?... WHEREIN DURING ECONOMIC DOWNTURNS STRUGGLING AREAS CANNOT FUND LOCAL SCHOOLS PROPERLY...END UP RELYING ON DICTATORIAL FEDERAL FUNDING SCHEMES BY AN ABBOTT GOVT THAT CAN DETERMINE SCHOOLS THAT DON'T LIVE UP TO THEIR RIGID, RIGGED CRITERIA ARE 'FAILING SCHOOLS'... SAID SCHOOLS HAVE MANAGEMENT AND EDUCATORS SACKED AND SOME REHIRED ON LESS WAGES...WORSE CONDITIONS...MANY SCHOOLS CLOSED AND STUDENTS SHIFTED TO PRIVATE, INDEPENDENT, RELIGIOUS AND CORPORATE SCHOOLS... IN SOME STRUGGLING SCHOOLS EDUCATORS HAVE THEIR HOURS DRASTICALLY REDUCED DUE TO LACK OF FUNDING BY STRUGGLING LOCAL COMMUNITIES...TERRIBLE FOR STUDENTS... PRESSURES ON PROPERTY TAXES CAN SEE HOME OWNERS FINANCIALLY DAMAGED AND EVEN LOSING HOMES. GROTESQUE. BEWARE THE CORPORATISATION OF OUR SYSTEM BY WAY OF SO CALLED 'GOODWILL MEASURES'. BY CREATING A NATIONAL TESTING REGIME AND MYSCHOOL ONLINE SITE, SHIFTING MORE POWER TO PRINCIPALS, SHIFTING EMPHASIS TO LOCAL FUNDING THIS GOVT HAS TO BE AWARE IT MIGHT INADVERTENTLY BE HANDING THE POWER TO A FUTURE COALITION GOVT TO UNDERMINE PUBLIC EDUCATION AND TEACHER UNIONS AS NEGOTIATORS & PROTECTORS. N'

Jason

9/05/2013Are contributors here, or at AIMN, dull enough to fall for it? Tom of Melbourne I think this man had you in mind when he said this? “He is not only dull himself; he is the cause of dullness in others.” – Samuel Johnson

Tom of Melbourne

9/05/2013Conside the dishonesty in having an article on asylum seekers that refers to Abbott 9 times, and Gillard 0 times. Dishonest and dull. It is a typical example of 'look over there' from the usual suspects. Did you fall for it Jason?

42 long

9/05/2013Having just watched the "connection" to the Gillard/Albanese presentation FAIL several times and abc24 completely ruining something that would be advantageous for the government, and hearing of this happening on many other occasions, (but never when the LieNP are involved.) How CLEVER it would be to have these "failures" . Not only are the beneficial facts obscured, the Failure (Subliminally) is perceived as just another incompetent act by a government that can't get it's message out and can't do ANYTHING right. Just coincidence Yeah sure...Who trusts the abc in political matters? NOT ME!.

nasking

9/05/2013 POSITIVE NEWS FOR THE GOVT...UNDERMINING THE COALITION AND MAINSTREAM MEDIA (MSM) FEAR-MONGERS: The unemployment rate has confounded most economists by falling from 5.6 to 5.5 per cent. The Bureau of Statistics labour force survey estimates that 50,100 jobs were added in April, with 34,500 full-time positions and 15,600 part-time jobs created. Economist forecasts in a survey by Bloomberg centred on only 11,000 jobs being created which was expected to leave the jobless rate steady at 5.6 per cent. The fall in unemployment came despite an increase in the proportion of the population in work or looking for it, with the so-called participation rate rising from 65.2 to 65.3 per cent. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-09/abs-employment-figures-april/4679182 :D N'

Pikiranku

9/05/2013Nasdking I share your concerns about handing too much control over schools to local authorities and/or school principals. As a former teacher of Indonesian in a time and an area where it was considered irrelevant by most of the local community and even a bit radical or subversive by some, I only had the job because of the enthusiasm of some parents and an education department which was well ahead of most of the others. Sometimes education authorities and governments need to show leadership and take their communities forward with them, not trail along behind. Whilst parents and their views are important, systems which are totally limited by the experience and vision of parents can stagnate. In these days of resurgence of Christian fundamentalism there might also be a danger of a repetition of the Scopes Monkey Trial or the situation whch led to it, where creationists are able to determine the way in which science is or is not taught in their local state school. Particularly if they happen to have the support of the school principal.

Pikiranku

9/05/2013Oops, sorry Nasking! Don't know where that darn 'd' came from!

Catching up

9/05/2013IR policy being released by Abbott. Due now on ABC 24. We will now see, I hope, how one makes the workplace more flexible. Interested to see how he deals with productivity, which by the way is improving without his help. Erica Abetz, minister. Second policy to be released this year.

nasking

9/05/2013 [b]In these days of resurgence of Christian fundamentalism there might also be a danger of a repetition of the Scopes Monkey Trial or the situation whch led to it, where creationists are able to determine the way in which science is or is not taught in their local state school. Particularly if they happen to have the support of the school principal.[/b] INDEED PIKIRANKU, I HAVE FOUND AND HEARD THAT IN SOME AREAS YOU CAN GET VERY DOMINEERING EVANGELICAL ETC PARENTS WHO PUSH PRINCIPALS ALREADY RELIGIOUSLY INCLINED TO GO WITH NONSENSE SCIENCE...PERMIT RELIGIOUS PONTIFICATORS TO INFILTRATE MANY ASPECTS OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS... OTHER PARENTS WAKE UP TO THIS BULLYING AND INSIDIOUS TAKEOVER OF SCHOOL...BUT THE DUMBING DOWN PROCESS HAS BEGUN...THE UNDERMINING OF RATIONAL THINKING AND USEFUL PRACTICAL SCIENCE AND SOCIAL SCIENCES. IT'S A NIGHTMARE IN THE USA...USED OPPORTUNISTICALLY BY THE LIKES OF RUSH LIMBAUGH, FOX NEWS AND THE REPUBLICAN MACHINE. DARK AGES STUFF...CREATED TO DISTRACT FROM THE CORPORATE PLUNDERING, MONEY FLOODING UPWARDS, USE OF GOVT TO FILL POCKETS OF WAR-MONGERERS AND ARMAMENTS' COMPANIES AND RELIGIOUS ABUSES. AND TO BRING INTO SCHOOLS IDEAS THAT PUT ANIMAL WELFARE LAST DUE TO NOTION THAT WE ARE NOT CONNECTED VIA THE EVOLUTIONARY PROCESS, THAT THEY EXIST THNX TO GOD WANTING US TO HAVE A BIG FEED... AND YOUNG PEOPLE ARE URGED TO NOT HAVE SEX...NOR USE PROTECTION...KNOWING FULL WELL THAT ABSTINENCE WILL BECOME UNBEARABLE...THE SEX EVENTUALLY HURRIED, UNPROTECTED AND GUILT RIDDEN...LEADING TO MORE POOR SINGLE MUMS AND PARENTS WHO BECOME SLAVES TO DEBT, AFFORDABLE CHEAP WORKERS, UNEDUCATED AND ADDICTED TO CHEAP TOXIC PRODUCTS FOR LIFE...POSSIBLY DESPERATE TO JOIN MILITARY TO MAKE A SECURE WAGE...FIGHTING FOR THE RICH IN THEIR CHRISTIAN CRUSADES & FOREVER WAR. AND PREY THRUOUT THEIR SAD DESPERATELY STRUGGLING LIVES FOR THE CHURCHES...AND THEIR INCREASINGLY PROFITEERING PASTORS. IT'S GROTESQUE. N'

Catching up

9/05/2013New buzz words. individual flexibility arrangements. How does that differ from the old one, that was thrown out by first the voter, then the Labor government. Into motherhood statement, in galore. Abetz, says there is no need for unions to run a campaign in this election. Who says so?

nasking

9/05/2013 TONY ABBOTT PICKED JOE HOCKEY TO BE HIS SHADOW TREASURER: [b]Hockey defends criticism of WorkChoices study[/b] http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2007/s2049308.htm N'

nasking

9/05/2013 It is a matter of record that Joe Hockey, along with his Coalition colleagues, voted against the Gillard Government’s Workplace Gender Equality legislation. http://juliecollins.fahcsia.gov.au/node/348 HMMM... N'

nasking

9/05/2013 [quote]WE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT OF THE SENSIBLE CENTER[/quote] CLAIMS ABBOTT... THE LEADER OF AN OPPOSITION WHO ADDRESSED A CRAZED ANTI-CARBON PRICE RALLY THAT USED 'DITCH THE WITCH' PLACARDS. LOTTA BS METHINKS. THIS IS THE MURDOCH, MINING BARON ABBOTT...AND IPA LOVER. SENSIBLE CENTER MY ARSE. N'

nasking

9/05/2013 TONY ABBOTT PICKED JOE HOCKEY: The Australian newspaper reported yesterday that Mr Hockey had opened the door to an increase in the rate of the GST, unchanged at 10 per cent since it was introduced by John Howard in 2000. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/hockey-denies-coalition-rift-over-gst-20120722-22hp1.html#ixzz2SlNYxR9I N'

nasking

9/05/2013 NOTICE THE USELESS PRESS DON'T GET STUCK IN...NO REAL SCRUTINY...FEW FOLLOW-UPS...SOFTBALL QUESTIONS GENERALLY. USELESS. DO THEY REALLY THINK THAT ABBOTT DIDN'T PUT HIMSELF IN THE ANTI-WORKCHOICES POSITION ON PURPOSE ALL THOSE YEARS AGO TO DUPE THE VOTERS...? I HEARD FROM FRIENDS OF A CERTAIN SUPREME COURT JUDGE THAT ABBOTT WAS CAREFULLY BEING GROOMED FOR LEADERSHIP YEARS AGO. IS IT ANY COINCIDENCE THAT GST AND WORKCHOICES COSTELLO IS FLYING AROUND EVERYWHERE TALKING ABOUT DEBT? WHY WOULD HOCKEY WHO HAD TO SELL WORKCHOICES UNDER HOWARD BE PUT IN AS TREASURER. SO MUCH BS. LAID ON THICK... IT'S IN THEIR DNA. N'

Truth Seeker

9/05/2013Nas, spot on, they are just full of it! Cheers :-)

nasking

9/05/2013 TRUTH SEEKER...DON'T WE KNOW IT... YA CAN SEE IT IN THEIR HISTORY...BY THEIR THINK TANKS...BY THEIR MEDIA AND BUSINESS SUPPORTERS...IT'S IN THEIR EYES...AND UNSURE, WOBBLY WAY OF SPEAKING...LIKE SHONKY SECOND HAND CAR SALESMEN...AND SNAKE OIL SALESPERSONS... SOFTLY SPOKEN SCUMBAGS...WHO SOMETIMES LOSE IT...RANTING AND RAVING. THE COALITION COME BEARING DUNG. N'

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9/05/2013Abbott is a person of many facets. His rhetoric is tailored to the audience and the occasion. One could look at him today and wonder IF it was the same Tony Abbott we have witnessed for years doing the longest dummy spit in history over his being denied the government he reckoned he was destined for. Why can I not trust him? Two big reasons. The sort of person he has shown himself to be and the supporters of his side of politics to whom he owes a great debt. They will want their pound of flesh and the "attack dog" they have PAID for in hard cash in many instances and with a shielded from reality run through the press. He is THEIR man. The best PM money can buy.

nasking

9/05/2013 THE REASON RALLY: [b]The Reason Rally[/b] was a rally for secularism and religious skepticism held on the National Mall in Washington, D.C. on March 24, 2012. The rally was sponsored by major atheistic and secular organizations of the United States and was regarded as a "Woodstock for atheists and skeptics". Speakers and performers included biologist Richard Dawkins, musician Tim Minchin, MythBusters co-host Adam Savage, actor-comedian Eddie Izzard, Paul Provenza, PZ Myers, Jessica Ahlquist, Dan Barker, and magician James Randi, among others. The rock band Bad Religion performed and other notables (Rep. Pete Stark, Sen. Tom Harkin, comedian Bill Maher, magician Penn Jillette) addressed the crowd by video link. Participants recited the Pledge of Allegiance, deliberately omitting the phrase "under God", which had been added by the U.S. Congress in 1954. Veterans of the U.S. Armed Forces were represented, and a retired Army colonel, Kirk Lamb, led veterans in an affirmation of their secular military oaths. Speakers urged those assembled to contact local and national representatives and ask them to support church-state separation, science education, marriage equality for gays and lesbians, and ending government support of faith-based organizations, among other causes. Writing for The Guardian Sarah Posner states that the Reason Rally was modeled on the LGBT movement. Encouraging people to 'come out' about their non-belief. Work to humanize atheism by getting "people to personalize someone they'd always thought of as an 'other'" Once people realize that their neighbor, co-worker or family member is an atheist it goes a long way towards acceptance. Politics played a large part of the Rally according to Posner, considering that there is only one openly atheist American Congressperson, there is a lot of work to still be done. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason_Rally GOOD STUFF. N'

Truth Seeker

9/05/2013NAS, "THE COALITION COME BEARING DUNG" LOL :-) 42 long, "The best PM money can buy" sums it up perfectly. We know who bought him, we just don't know what the cost will be, only that there WILL be a cost! Cheers :-) :-)

nasking

9/05/2013 [b]Why can I not trust him? Two big reasons. The sort of person he has shown himself to be and the supporters of his side of politics to whom he owes a great debt. They will want their pound of flesh and the "attack dog" they have PAID for in hard cash in many instances and with a shielded from reality run through the press. He is THEIR man. The best PM money can buy.[/b] SPOT ON 42 LONG ABBOTT CANNOT BE TRUSTED THAT PIC OF HIM KNEELING BEHIND MURDOCH AND RINEHART AT THE LIBERTARIAN THINK TANK IPA DINNER TOLD US HEAPS ABOUT WHO HIS MASTERS TRULY ARE. HE AND SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED. N'

Catching up

9/05/2013The Abetz we seen this day, is one I have never seen before. Cannot help but think, the one on display, every day in the senate in the real one.

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9/05/2013Atheism is not a dark force. Recognising that it is the state one is in ( eventually) IS like coming out( I would imagine). Finding out that a person who you have dealt with for a long time, is a non theist can be very pleasant and comforting. Many atheists don't mention their state of mind for fear of offending theists and don't want to make a fuss. The assumption that only god fearing people are "GOOD" is the greatest BS out there. Many "theists" act from self interest and just want their "souls?" to be eternal. To have creationism the first thing that must be done is create god. What form of society could be more horrific than a religious totalitarianism? Dog preserve us from that fate.

nasking

9/05/2013 MEMORIES: [b]Murdoch, Abbott, Rinehart, Bolt: Tory-fest in Melbourne tonight[/b] APR 04, 2013 CRIKEY, The leading lights of Australia’s Right-leaning power clique are converging on Melbourne for a gala dinner tonight: from Rupert Murdoch to Andrew Bolt and, of course, Tony Abbott. Read about the big do here. Interested in morning tea with former PM John Howard, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott, conservative shock jock Alan Jones and Oz columnist Janet Albrechtsen? Then you’re in luck! The IPA is holding a gala dinner in Melbourne tonight with Rupert Murdoch as keynote speaker, and the morning tea is up for auction. Australia’s Right-leaning luminaries from politics, business and the media will converge on the National Gallery of Victoria for tonight’s big do, being held to mark the 70th birthday of the IPA. Crikey would love to put in a bid, but sadly there’s no room for us at the ball — tickets are sold out and the IPA rejected our request to attend and cover Murdoch’s speech. So Cinderella Crikey will be sweeping the steps outside. http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/04/04/murdoch-abbott-rinehart-bolt-tory-fest-in-melbourne-tonight/?wpmp_switcher=mobile [b]WORKPLACE FLEXIBILITY = BEND OVER WOMEN AND AVERAGE WORKING MALE...ABBOTT'S RICH MASTERS GONNA SCREW YA[/b]. N'

Catching up

9/05/2013Shorten to respond to Abbott's IR policy.

Catching up

9/05/2013Productivity reviews in any agreement, Does that remind one of the Accord. I so believe that Abbott would love to ignore IR policy. What I do not believe, is the likes of Abetz and the IPA are willing to allow him to do so. By the way, Abbott gas union friendly credentials. Belonged to a union at one time. Well one had to, to be a journalist, I believe. Was not a journalist for long though.

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9/05/2013All that TALENT??? in one space. Could one imagine the loss to the world IF they did not exist? I'd be flat out keeping the smile from my face for years. Judge each of them by the company they keep. Schemers and plotters suffering from a superiority complex. Compulsory climate change deniers area.

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9/05/2013IA have a meeting at Jimmy Watson's tomorrow afternoon into the evening. I'd rather trust the world with people like will be there.

nasking

9/05/2013 NOTICED ABBOTT USED WORD 'INCREMENTAL'...JOHN HOWARD USED THAT WORD A LOT TOO...AND LOOK WHERE HE TOOK US: In December 1977, at the age of 38, Howard was appointed Treasurer. During his five years in the position, he became an adherent of free-market economics, which was challenging economic orthodoxies in place for most of the century. He came to favour tax reform including broad-based taxation (later the GST), a freer industrial system including the dismantling of the centralised wage-fixing system, the abolition of compulsory trade unionism, privatisation and deregulation. In 1978, the Fraser government instigated the Campbell Committee to investigate financial system reforms. [b]Howard supported the Campbell report, but adopted an incremental approach with Cabinet, as there was wide opposition to deregulation within the government and the treasury.[/b] The process of reform began before the committee reported 2½ years later, with the introduction of the tender system for the sale of Treasury notes in 1979, and Treasury bonds in 1982. Ian Macfarlane (Governor of the Reserve Bank of Australia, 1996–2006) described these reforms as "second only in importance to the float of the Australian dollar in 1983." In 1981, Howard proposed a broad-based indirect tax with compensatory cuts in personal rates; however, cabinet rejected it citing both inflationary and political reasons. [b]After the free-marketeers or "drys" of the Liberals challenged the protectionist policies of Minister for Industry and Commerce Phillip Lynch, they shifted their loyalties to Howard. Following an unsuccessful leadership challenge by Andrew Peacock to unseat Fraser as prime minister, Howard was elected deputy leader of the Liberal Party in April 1982. His election depended largely on the support of the "drys", and he became the party's champion of the growing free-market lobby.[/b] SKIP THRU TIME: [b]In 2006, with the government now controlling both houses of parliament for the first time since the Fraser era, industrial relations changes were enacted. Named "WorkChoices" and championed by Howard, they were intended to fundamentally change the employer-employee relationship. Opposed by a broad trade union campaign and antipathy within the electorate, WorkChoices was subsequently seen as a major factor in the government's 2007 election loss.[/b] BE MUCH LESS INCREMENTAL WITH ABBOTT... NO COINCIDENCE THAT BUSINESS GROUPS ACTING LIKE THEY ARE DISAPPOINTED WITH ABBOTT...TRYING TO DUPE VOTERS...AND GIVE OPPORTUNITY LATER FOR ABBOTT TO MOVE FURTHER TO RIGHT... THINK OF THE WHOLESALE ATTACK ON UNIONS BY MSM...AND UNDERMINING OF UNION POWER BY LNP STATE GOVTS AND BY SOME COMPANIES VIA COURTS. WON'T BE FAR FOR HIM TO GO...WITH CORPORATE MEDIA AND STATES BEHIND HIM. GAMES BUSINESS AND LIBS PLAY EH? LIKE AUSTRALIAN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND IPA TYPES. N'

nasking

9/05/2013 BRILLIANT BILL SHORTEN...BRILLIANT!!! HIT IT FOR SIX, VERY IMPRESSIVE. N'

Ken

9/05/2013I noted that Abbott promised to create 2 million new jobs within a decade (optimistic that he would be there that long) - but do the math. At present, jobs growth is running at about 250,000 per year = 2.5 million in 10 years (does that mean he's going to lose 500,000 jobs). Even on lower realistic long term growth, we can still expect something like 15,000 new jobs per month = 180,000 new jobs per annum = 1.8 million in 10 years. Which doesn't leave much for Abbott to do. Labor has created 960,000 jobs in 65 months, which is just under 15,000 per month in a period that included the GFC, and the current problems in economies around the world. In other words, Abbott's promise of 2 million new jobs is nothing but the status quo - whoever is in power will achieve at least that much by doing nothing!!

nasking

9/05/2013 THINK PART OF THE COORDINATED LNP STATE & FEDERAL AND MEDIA AND CORPORATE BUSINESS STRATEGY IS TO DUPE UNIONS INTO OVERREACTING AND STRIKING TOO MUCH ETC...BY WAVING RED FLAG AT THEM... DON'T FORGET MURDOCH VIA PAPERS IN UK DURING THATCHER YEARS WAS EXPERT AT WORKING WITH POLICE, POLLIES, COMPANY DIRECTORS, TRAITOR WORKERS, TRAITOR UNIONISTS AND OTHER CONSERVATIVE MEDIA TO GET UNIONS RILED UP...GET THE PUBLIC SCARED AND FRUSTRATED...BEAT FOR INSTANCE COAL MINING UNIONS. UNIONS NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS. ALWAYS BENEFITTING THE PEOPLE. THINK BERNIE BANTON. NOT LOOKING ANTAGONISTIC, LIKE THEY ARE UNDERMINING JOBS AND ECONOMY. NOT IMPEDING NECESSARY REFORMS. COMPROMISE. BUT FIRM. PASSIONATE...NOT AGRO. THE MSM WILL TAKE ANY SITUATION AND TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK NEGATIVE. PUT SPIN ON IMAGERY ETC. N'

nasking

9/05/2013 CLINTON PUT UP TAXES ON RICH AND CREATED MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF JOBS. N'

nasking

9/05/2013 TICK TOCK... N'

nasking

9/05/2013 WATCHING SKY NEWS OFTEN FEELS LIKE I'M WATCHING SCRIPTED THEATRE. SPEARS IS HILARIOUS...FAKE PREMATURE GREY HAIR AND ALL. SAME WITH CHANNEL NINE. :D N'

nasking

9/05/2013 PETER ANDERSON SAYS WITHOUT SINCERITY THAT ABBOTT LIB POLICY "NOT AMBITIOUS"...REAL NEEDED REFORMS "PUT OFF INTO THE NEVER-NEVER" BWA HA HA... SUCH AN OBVIOUS PERFORMANCE. TRYING TO MAKE ABBOTT AND POLICY LOOK SOFT AND MODERATE. TRYING TO MANUFACTURE PERCEPTION TO DUPE VOTERS. WHAT THEATRE!!! LIKE A BAD PLAY. PLEASE EXIT STAGE RIGHT. N'

nasking

9/05/2013 SHOULD BE: [b]PETER ANDERSON SAYS WITH SINCERITY OF A DODGY SALESMAN THAT ABBOTT LIB POLICY "NOT AMBITIOUS"...REAL NEEDED REFORMS "PUT OFF INTO THE NEVER-NEVER.[/b]

nasking

9/05/2013 ACTU'S GED KEARNEY DID A GOOD JOB RESPONDING TO DAVID SPEARS MORE INTERRUPTIVE AND SPARRING APPROACH TO INTERVIEW THAN HE WAS WITH PETER ANDERSON. SHOWS SPEARS BIAS. A MURDOCH HACK NOT TO BE TRUSTED...A CORPORATE SUIT DRESSED TO KILL. PRETENCE OF BALANCE. MR. GREY MATURE...WORKING 24-7 FOR THE OVERLORD. N'

nasking

9/05/2013 NOW RELIABLE CONMAN PETER HARTCHER AND MURDOCH PUPPET PLAYING MODERATE CUDDLY MALCOLM FARR PUTTING ON THE SPIN. N'

Bilko

9/05/2013This ABC picture of Abbort & Erica rounding the corner has Abbort striding into the breech as come the 500-498, whilst Erica looks out for baseball welding union heavies http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4679868-3x4-340x453.jpgwary what a pair of w***kers

nasking

9/05/2013 THE BIG CON IS TRYING TO MAKE ABBOTT LOOK DLP...NOT TAKING POLICIES TO CABINET...BULLCRAP! THIS IDEA THAT ABBOTT IS GOING ROGUE IS HILARIOUS...THESE LIBS ARE CONTROL FREAKS AS ARE THEIR CORPORATE MASTERS. ABBOTT'S ON LEASH...THE ROGUE BIT IS PRETENCE. TO LURE VOTERS IN...MAKE THEM THINK ABBOTT IS NOT A TYPICAL LIB MEANSTER INCREMENTALLY BRINGING IN WORKERS' HELL. NO LONGER EYES WIDE SHUT. THE PPL IS A RUSE TOO. TO MAKE ABBOTT LOOK MORE LEFT. AND DIFFERING FROM THE LIB HARDLINERS LIKE HAWKE AND REITH. BLOODY FUNNY GAMES...BUT LAST LARF WILL BE ON COALITION. N'

Patriciawa

9/05/2013Hi Lyn, AA, Nas, TT and everyone! I'm a bit late with my [i]'women of calibre'[/i] pome in response to TT's eloquently brief few lines yesterday, cos I was catching up on my sleep. Apologies to Lyn for pressing PUBLISH instead of PREVIEW in the wee small hours yesterday, and though I appreciated waking to find you thought it good enough to link, I wasn't happy with it until I finished off this version for Miglo at the Cafe just now. As usual TPS gets the pome, but the post at the Cafe has illustrations and notes too. I hope it cheers Migs up, he's not at all well these days. [b]“You Son of a Gun, Tony!” Or “What Has That Bastard Said Now?”[/b] Tony sticking to his guns! Thanks to Alan Moir for permission to use his cartoon While throughout Australia most folk are in bed, Tony Abbott is fretting over something he said. Not “When you deliver, you’ll be fully paid.” That is a promise he’s knows can’t be unmade. Journos are crowing over lines they’ve been fed. There’s even a ‘libber,’ not easily led, Loves his planned six months paid maternity leave. His polling’s improved like you wouldn’t believe. The Labor scheme – for rich, poor, married, unwed - All the same, even career gals powering ahead. What Gillard has given they think no big deal Because Abbott’s offering has far more appeal. But those on the right think his plan’s far too red, A shiver of doubt through some Liberals has spread. They’ve told their dear leader that he must facts - For businessmen levies are worse than a tax. His IPA ‘mates’ want the policy shed. “Close to Rupert now, Tony! Watch how you tread!” Peta’d said firmly, with her usual advice, “ Before you open your mouth, please, please, think twice!” In Canberra now, wide awake, not abed, Tony paces his room, feeling all muddlehead. What had he been thinking of earlier today, That some inner compulsion forced him to say? He can’t remember; was it something he’s read? He knows he’ll regret it till the day he’s dead. That’s it! One word! C A L I B R E! All about guns! Not women and babies ...... unless ...... they have sons! http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2013/05/09/you-son-of-a-gun-tony-or-what-has-that-bastard-said-now/

Jason

9/05/2013ToM of Melbourne, I know you found it "heartless" of the PM to allow a conscience vote on same sex marriage! So I take it you will be thrilled about this! A TOOWOOMBA doctor who has compared gay surrogacy to the Stolen Generations and claims "a gay person can stop being gay" has survived the LNP's vetting process and will stand as a candidate for Barnaby Joyce's Senate spot. http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/barnaby-joyces-senate-spot-up-for-grabs/story-e6freoof-1226637897424

nasking

9/05/2013 BTW, MAKES ME QUESTION INTEGRITY OF A CERTAIN MSM FELLA WHO FINDS ABBOTT "FASCINATING" AND WROTE IN THE MONTHLY ABOUT ABBOTT'S DLP CONNECTIONS. BIG CON GOING ON HERE METHINKS. BTW, YET ANOTHER SYDNEY PRIVATE SCHOOLER WHO ONCE WORKED FOR THE BULLETIN. CERTAINLY HAS NO TROUBLE CREATING PERCEPTION RUDD WAS AGRO CONTROL FREAK ON INSIDERS...AND CONSTANTLY CONCEDING THIS GOVT UNDER GILLARD HAS HAD IT. REMEMBER, SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT WHAT YOU THINK THEY ARE. ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY DON'T GET WHAT THEY WANT FROM A GOVERNMENT. N'

nasking

9/05/2013 WAS ALWAYS SUS THAT ABBOTT LET A SO CALLED MSM 'LEFTY' GET CLOSE AND WORK ON HIS LIFE. LOOK HOW ANALLY RETENTIVE ABBOTT AND HIS MINDERS ARE ABOUT PUTTING HIM BEHIND A BARRIER. THAT MONTHLY PIECE SHOWED AN INCONSISTENCY ON ABBOTT AND MINDERS' PART. SUS INDEED. BTW, WASN'T MANIC GSTer COSTELLLO A DLPer ONCE? CON I TELL YA...CON. N'

nasking

9/05/2013 GOOD POEM PATRICIA...BUT YA SEE...THEY WANT TO CREATE THIS IMPRESSION THAT AT TIMES ABBOTT IS TOO 'RED'. TO MAKE HIM MORE PALATABLE FOR THE VOTERS. BUT I THINK HIS ENTIRE LIFE IS A CONSTRUCT. THE ROGUE RELIGIOUS MAN. BS...HE'S A MASTER OF DUPLICITY. WORKING 24-7 FOR THE AUSTRALIAN MASTERS. GROOMED FROM A YOUNG AGE...THE VIRAL PUGILIST...THE SOMETIMES LEFTY ROGUE...THE VOLUNTEER...THE JOURNO...THE MANUAL LABOURER...THE GOOD HUSBAND AND FATHER...THE SMART COOKIE...THE VALUES CHRISTIAN...TRYING TO APPEAL TO A WIDE AUDIENCE... A CONSTRUCTED LIFE...ALL BITS AND PIECES... BUT WE SEE HIM FOR WHAT HE REALLY IS... A SLOGAN BEARING SCRIPTED CORPORATE PUPPET...SCRIPTED...WITH THE OCCASIONAL THOUGHT OUT SLIP-UP TO TRY AND SHOW THE BLOKES OUT THERE HE'S JUST ONE OF THE GUYS... HE'S HOLLOW...AFRAID TO BE PRESSURED...AS HE'D REVEAL THAT NOTHING LIES BENEATH. ANOTHER CONSTRUCTED LEADER...LIKE BLAIR...ALL RANTING CON AND NEGABORE SIGNIFYING NOTHING. A PUPPET. MERELY THAT. YET ANOTHER CONSERVATIVE THINK TANK, MSM, RELIGION AND CORPORATE CREATED [b]PHONEY TONY[/b] N'

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9/05/2013Patriciawa That is such an apt pome. Thank you. Bilko Abetz was on Melbourne ABC radio just now. He was at his smarmiest worst. Nauseating and very nasty! WorkChoices, by whatever name they give it now, is simmering under the surface, waiting for resurrection. nasking You are running hot. When you're hot, you're really hot! Thank you for keeping up the momentum. We are back at the south coast. I'm working on the next piece. Tomorrow will be a busy day.

nasking

9/05/2013 CHEERS AD. [b]WorkChoices, by whatever name they give it now, is simmering under the surface, waiting for resurrection. [/b] INDEED. [b]THE WALKING DEAD. ONE SMELLY CORPSE READY TO RISE UP AND FEED ON THE WORKERS.[/b] N'

nasking

9/05/2013 HOW DID 7:30 GO TONIGHT? WAS IT ERIC ABETZ ON TONITE...THE NEW SOFTER 'SQUEEZE ME I'M HARMLESS' VERSION...BUT WITH THE EYES OF A VAMPIRE? I IMAGINE IT WAS SCRIPTED...SOME KIND OF PUPPET SHOW...WITH LEIGH AS THE COURTEOUS SYCOPHANT PROVIDING ABETZ WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACT LIKE A SOFTLY SPOKEN SCUMBAG ATTEMPTING TO MANUFACTURE THE PERCEPTION THESE ARE A KINDER, MORE COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATIVE GROUP WHO HAVE LEARNT THEIR LESSON AND LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE... AND ONLY WANT TO GET OUT THE CHAINSAW TO RIP INTO THE UNIONS SPLATTERING BLOOD ALL OVER THE WORKPLACE. BE A WEE BIT MORE CONVINCING IF THEY WEREN'T THE OLD GUARD LIBERALS...THE BLITZKRIEG TROOPS WHO GOT SO EXCITED AND SHOWED SO MUCH HUBRIS ABOUT IR REFORM WHEN THEY LAST HAD BOTH SENATE AND HOUSE OF REPS. I BET THAT WORKCHOICES' BODY IS BEING REANIMATED NOW IN JOE HOCKEY'S BASEMENT...ANDREW ROBB FURIOUSLY WORKING ON THE NEW COSTUME AND MAKEUP AFTER THE FACELIFT APPROVED BY DOCTOR RODENT AND MR. SMUGGLES THEMSELVES. "NOT LONG NOW MY CREATION...MY LOVE...NOT LONG NOW...YOU SHALL WALK AMONGST THEM AGAIN SOON" SQUEALS DR. RODENT...FINGERS TWITCHING, STROKING THE JUTTING EYEBROWS IN RAPTUROUS GLEE. THE BRIDE OF WORKCHOICES FARTS. N'

lyn

10/05/2013Today’s Links Beyond the bad news, what is an economy for? by @timdunlop The Coalition and their ciphers in the think tanks and the media no longer talk about social services at all; instead they use the word "entitlements". As I've noted before, once "services are redefined as 'entitlements'... the onus shifts from citizens expecting a certain level of state care to having to justify why they deserve anything at all." http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4678772.html Calibre by @awelder I think Abbott's a bullshitter. He's about as likely to introduce a PPL as he is to climb Mount Everest. I also think he's a weak leader, as you can see buried in this story from a friendly media outlet that's not about PPL: http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/calibre.html Figments, fantasies and delusions- A conversation with Joe Hockey by @newsfliporg NewsFlip was fortunate enough to be granted an audience with his prepared speech, large sections of which formed part of our discourse with him. All excerpts are direct quotations: http://www.newsflip.org/2013_05_01_archive.html Tony Abbott spells out his workplace policies @PrivateBriefing Tony Abbott declared today that Work Choices is “dead , buried and cremated” as he launched the opposition’s new Industrial Relations policies. http://privatebriefing.com.au/ The News Limited paywall dilemma: how to avoid competing against yourself by @ConversationEDU The model has risks for News Limited. To the degree online subscribers can access Fox Sports content through their “newspaper” subscription, they will not need to access it through Foxtel http://theconversation.com/the-news-limited-paywall-dilemma-how-to-avoid-competing-against-yourself-14041 Predicting the future is hard, but predicting the past is an oxymoron. by @saint13333 Perhaps Abbott will be Prime Minister come September. But if one looks at past predictions that is no certainty. In 2010, Sportsbet had Gillard at long odds to last till 2013. http://theaimn.com/2013/05/08/predicting-the-future-is-hard-but-predicting-the-past-is-an-oxymoron/ One Nation co-founder told to refile Abbott lawsuit by ABC Mr Ettridge agreed that he would consult a lawyer in an attempt to jump the technical hurdle, and would file a correct claim by June 6. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-09/one-nation-co-founder-told-to-refile-abbott-lawsuit/4679958 Paid Parental Leave Desperately Spinning by @FairMediaAllian Murdoch’s people must have felt as though they were being torn limb from limb – How to make Tony Abbott look good when Big Business and a fair whack of his own Coalition people are against him http://fairmediaalliance.wordpress.com/2013/05/09/ppl-3/ Backflips, Broken Promises and Lies, by @gabriellechan In 1995, Howard declared: “There’s no way that a GST will ever be part of our policy.” “Never ever?” a reporter asked. “Never ever,” Howard said http://thehoopla.com.au/backflips-broken-promises-lies/ MSM outrage-shaming: What’s it all about? By Alison Parkes Mainstream media is a one way conversation. You see what they print, you see what they broadcast, you don’t get to talk back. Twitter, however, is a two-way conversation, and you choose information you want by choosing who to follow. It is an exchange – you get to talk back, publicly. http://australiansforhonestpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/05/09/msm-outrage-shaming-whats-it-all-about/ The reinvention of Work Choices by David Griffiths The Coalition is not using the name Australian Workplace Agreements – and that is true. But, it wishes to push the same individual employment agreements. The Coalition is not using the name WorkChoices but the policy is consistent with WorkChoices http://www.australiasmassmedia.com/2013/05/09/the-reinvention-of-work-choices/ Freedom Wars: The George Brandis speech http://australiansforhonestpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/05/09/freedom-wars-the-george-brandis-speech/ What Tony Abbott proposes to take away by Sally McManus Mandate individual contracts in all collective agreements. Workers cannot bargain to restrict the employer from undermining collective agreements. These individual contracts are another form of AWAs http://asumembers.org.au/asu-news/45-general-news/2200-what-tony-abbott-proposes-to-take-away.html The big swinging seats by David Raue One factor worth considering is how much the seat has swung since the last Coalition victory in 2004. While many marginal Labor seats swung back to the Coalition in 2010, a number of seats, mainly in Victoria and South Australia, swung even further to Labor in 2010 http://www.tallyroom.com.au/13913 “You Son of a Gun, Tony!” Or “What Has That Bastard Said Now?” by Patriciawa the backing of Rupert Murdoch, MSM and big business) and uses to the Coalition is probably more often seen by them as ‘a son of a gun,’ who seems to get away with near murder. http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2013/05/09/you-son-of-a-gun-tony-or-what-has-that-bastard-said-now/ There were 1,213,595 individuals with a negatively geared property over the 2010/11 financial year by Cameron Kusher Negative gearing of residential property saw the ATO forego $13.285 billion in taxation revenue over the 2010/11 financial year http://blog.rpdata.com/2013/05/there-were-1213595-individuals-with-a-negatively-geared-property-over-the-201011-financial-year/ Referendum On Local Government Recognition by Press Office Our Constitution, which was drafted more than 100 years ago, says nothing about the role of local government and yet most Australians have daily contact with the services provided by their local council, through childcare, sporting fields, swimming pools, libraries, local roads and more. http://www.pm.gov.au/press-office/referendum-local-government-recognition Spoiled young economists fail by @macro_business Adam Creighton at The Australian, Adam Carr at Business Spectator, Chris Joye and Paul Bloxham at the AFR are Australia’s merry band of hot young media economists. All have condemned the RBA rate cut in the past few days http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/05/spoiled-young-economists-fail/ Does Tony Abbott thinks that Alan Jones' radio audience can't read and will not notice yet by @no_filter_Yamba Unfortunately for Abbott the mining industry was not so obliging and, he had to finally admit the blindingly obvious, that state laws do not allow farmers an unfettered right to keep mining companies off their http://northcoastvoices.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/does-tony-abbott-thinks-that-alan-jones.html And so to other-worldly times and spaces ... by Dorothy Parker might just be that Eva Cox has a profound sense of entitlement, a love of middle class welfare, and a complete disdain for egalitarian principles http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/and-so-to-other-worldly-times-and-spaces.html#.UYuHbkpArX4 Huston calls for active FTTP NBN by @renailemay In a new post on his site last month (we really recommend you click here to read through the whole thing; it’s worth your time), Huston expresses his surprise that Australia’s political sphere is actually actively discussing network architecture design daily http://delimiter.com.au/2013/05/09/huston-calls-for-active-fttp-nbn/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Delimiter+%28Delimiter%29 Today’s Front Pages Australian Newspaper Front Pages for 10 May 2013 http://www.thepaperboy.com/australia/front-pages.cfm

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10/05/2013LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/Lyns-Daily-Links.aspx

TalkTurkey

10/05/2013Good Morning Lyn and Everyone Coming up to the home straight next week ... Now is the time for everyone who isn't a RW creep to come to the aid of the Labor Party. Your local ALP candidate's office will welcome you to help with any of a number of activities, including door-knocking and telephoning residents ... Don't be shy, be brave. Ring up and offer your services. And in honour of the union of Apollo and Diana as I write : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRlj5vjp3Ko

nasking

10/05/2013 CHEERS LYN, GOOD WORK. ISN'T TIM DUNLOP SPOT ON HERE?: [b]The Coalition and their ciphers in the think tanks and the media no longer talk about social services at all; instead they use the word "entitlements". As I've noted before, once "services are redefined as 'entitlements'... the onus shifts from citizens expecting a certain level of state care to having to justify why they deserve anything at all."[/b] IT'S YET ANOTHER REASON I DON'T TRUST THE ABBOTT/HOCKEY TEAM...THEY ARE USING TERMS THAT DERIVE FROM THE AMERICAN REPUBLICAN HANDBOOK ON HOW TO SCREW OVER THE WORKERS, UNIONS AND DISADVANTAGED...PERSUADE THE PUBLIC TO VOTE AGAINST THEIR OWN INTERESTS...IN ORDER TO BENEFIT THE FEW. THIS FROM TRUTHDIG SITE: “[b]Entitlement” is a misleading word because it masks the ugly reality of reducing medical aid for the poor, the disabled and anyone over 65 as well as cutting Social Security. Calling such programs entitlements is much more comfortable than describing them as what they are—Medicare, Social Security and money for good schools, unemployment insurance, medical research and public works construction that would put many thousands to work. It’s also a Republican word. It implies that those receiving government aid have a sense of entitlement, that they’re getting something for nothing. [/b] http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/entitlement_is_a_republican_word_20110714/ ONE ONLY HAS TO THINK BACK ON ABBOTT'S GLEEFUL ADDRESS TO THE TEA PARTY-LIKE ANTI-CARBON RALLY... HIS KOWTOWING TO MURDOCH, OWNER OF FOX NEWS, AT THE IPA DINNER... HOCKEY'S BRANDISHING OF AMERICAN REPUBLICAN PARTY PROPAGANDA LINGO LIKE 'ENTITLEMENTS'... THEIR ADDICTION TO LOUD MOUTHED SHOCK JOCKS WHO SOUND MORE RUSH LIMBAUGH AND LESS SANE & RATIONAL BY THE DAY... TO KNOW THAT THEIR SOFTLY SOFTLY APPROACH ON INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS, HEALTHCARE, EDUCATION AND SO ON ARE A RUSE...COMPLETE BS. YES, ABBOTT AND TEAM ALSO GET INTO UK CAMERON'S 'BIG SOCIETY'...BUT LET'S FACE IT...EVEN AMERICAN REPUBLICANS LOVE THE IDEA OF REPLACING ESSENTIAL SERVICE JOBS PAID FOR BY GOVT WITH VOLUNTEERS...WORKING FOR TAX EXEMPT CHARITIES. THE CORPORATISED MSM...THE NEO-LIBERAL SPRUIKERS AND APOLOGISTS WILL GENERALLY FAIL TO TELL YOU THAT ABBOTT & HOCKEY ARE BORN AGAIN FOXES IN SHEEP CLOTHING... I WON'T. [b]NO LONGER EYES WIDE SHUT.[/b] N'

Patriciawa

10/05/2013I GUESS TPS READERS ARE ALL OFF FOLLOWING UP LYN'S LINKS AS I NORMALLY DO, BUT I'M HAVING READING PROBLEMS THIS MORNING. NOW I CAN UNDERSTAND NASKING'S U/C USAGE. VISIT TO OPTICIANS FOR ME. I DID EXPECT THOUGH TO FIND MORE OUTRAGE HERE ABOUT 7.30'S DETAILED PROMO FOR THE ABBOTT/ABETZ PRESENTATION OF THEIR IR 'POLICY' WHICH WAS EXPLAINED SO CLEARLY. IF ONLY GOVT POLICIES GOT SIMILAR TREATMENT!

lyn

10/05/2013:)Good Morning Talk Turkey,:) You are happy and bright this morning. Some good news this morning:- [quote]Liberal Party discontent grows [/quote]Tony Abbott is facing growing discontent among his colleagues about his $3.2 billion Direct Action plan to combat climate change, a policy once described by Malcolm Turnbull as rubbish. Coalition's industrial relations policy on Thursday too - as expected - drew fire from the business community for not going far enough. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/liberal-party-discontent-grows-20130509-2jau3.html#ixzz2Sq6vliQJ [quote]Electrical union slams Abbott IR policy[/quote] http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/05/09/19/21/electrical-union-slams-abbott-ir-policy :):):)

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10/05/2013Hi Lyn Thank you again for your links. Tim Dunlop’s article was excellent. I thought his conclusion was eminently sensible: “[i]… what is a successful economy for? Or rather, who is it for? "Do we want a country that, like the US, increasingly funnels the fruits of its labours to the top of end of town via lower taxes and ongoing corporate subsidies, or do we want one that judges itself by how well it treats its least well-off members? Do we want not just "entitlements", but a genuine, functioning safety net, along with equality of access to health and education services, that underpin our chances for a good life? "Surely we should discuss the sort of country we want to be and then build an economy that provides it, rather than settle on an economic model and just live with the sort of country it creates? "What's the good of having a "strong" economy unless it allows us pay for a functioning, civilised society, where all are valued and none are sacrificed simply because the model says we can't afford them?”[/i] http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4678772.html Macrobusiness gives a interesting commentary on the ‘young economists’, where arrogance predominates. Add ignorance and an inability to accurately predict, and you have not just a useless group, but dangerous to boot. The conclusion is noteworthy. “[i]A corollary of this point goes beyond the young men themselves. It may be that they have been hand-picked for their views, by a media that has no better idea about its business model that to pander to that same sell-side…Whatever it is, it is not serving the nation well. Rather than seizing the challenge of the times, driving for innovative solutions, our young guns are shirking it, hiding behind a veneer of convention that makes their elders appear like the radicals. But their elders are not. They are MILES behind the curve in facing up to what is at the very least a generational challenge to the Australian economy and probably an historic one.”[/i] http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/05/spoiled-young-economists-fail/ Miglo is a great read on [i]Café Whispers[/i]: http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2013/05/09/you-son-of-a-gun-tony-or-what-has-that-bastard-said-now/

Tom of Melbourne

10/05/2013Hilarious. Tim Dunlop has it right this time, apparently. Following a recent piece that he had penned, which was critical of the government, plenty here speculated that he'd been got ay by News or lost his sense etc. That's the amusing thing about this site- people don't tolerate any critical or constructive examination of the ALP.

Michael

10/05/2013Re Abetz on 7:30 last night, the instant I saw his smirking dial, I switched the telly's! I know I should have toughed through it on the 'know thy enemy' basis, but when your enemy makes you want to projectile puke, that's both the TV AND the carpet that needs cleaning.

42 long

10/05/2013I have never seen anyones eyes move back and forward as fast as Erica's did. I hope someone has saved copy of it. You would be flat out to believe it hasn't been speeded up. Shifty? What else?

Paul of Berwick

10/05/2013The Australian gets its facts wrong again. Sigh! - http://www.blogotariat.com/node/1025680

2353

10/05/2013I wonder if business will ever realise that when a politician claims to be "creating efficiencies" they are normally sacking public servants. When public servants are sacked, they no longer go and purchase the cars, big fridges, bigger tvs and so on that they could previously afford (not to mention more buying more "home brands" and less luxuries). This has a direct negative effect on the sales in business. The real irony here is that the same businesses that are claiming the Government needs to save money are actually cutting their own throat. With the efficiencies that have been made int he past few years - especially in states with conservative Governments - is it any wonder that business claims to be struggling.

Tom of Melbourne

10/05/2013That’s not quite true 2353. Business wants less bureaucracy, less tax, fewer public servants eating biscuits and drinking tea. A big public service doesn’t create demand. A big public service demands higher taxes, creates red tape and inefficiency which reduces aggregate demand.

jane

10/05/20132353, you stand corrected. Our resident professor of economics has decreed that public servants apparently don't have any input into the economy, apart from drinking tea and eating biscuits. We can only infer from that that they never buy, sell, or bank anything. They apparently also never buy big ticket items like cars, houses, furniture or holidays. Nor, apparently, do they rent housing, buy food, insurance policies, computers, printers, tv sets, appliances, have their cars serviced, sell stuff on ebay, use the internet, have phones, buy clothes & shoes. They also don't get married, have children or parents and other relatives. On the plus side they are obviously not a burden on the health system, will never access social security, or need the police, the fire brigade or the school system, which is just as well because they're all public servants too. I'd like to be a fly on the wall when all these business people or their loved ones turn up at a public hospital suffering from a stroke or other medical emergency to find there are no staff, or ring the cops when their house is burgled or the fire brigade if their house is on fire. It would also be interesting to listen to them all squealing when their profits are down because those pesky public servants aren't buying their lattes, tvs, groceries etc. But there you have it 2353, you just don't understand these matters. You must bow before a superior intellect. Lyn's links await before I do anything else. So there you have it 2353

Patriciawa

10/05/2013Yes, Jane, it always surprises me - the ignorance of people who talk about cutting down on public servants. They imagine there are all these bureaucrats sitting around in offices drinking tea and reading newspapers. Most public servants are, as you say, fire fighters, teachers and nurses. The same sort of people talk about union officials as if they were all corrupt thugs. Without unions and union organisers we wouldn't have a basic wage, a five day week, annual and public holidays, work place safety regulations and sick pay. Where would we be without public servants and union organisers?

nasking

11/05/2013 PATRICIA, I HOPE YOUR EYES IMPROVE SOON. CAN EMPATHISE. DID YOU SEE THE ARROGANT, BULLYING, CHILDISH, CONDESCENDING, PETTY, SPOILT AND OUTRIGHT RUDE PERFORMANCE LAST NIGHT ON LATELINE...ATTEMPTING TO RIDE ROUGHSHOD OVER HOST EMMA ALBERICI? ONE OF THE MOST PETULANT, PUSHY AND DISGUSTING PERFORMANCES I HAVE EVER WITNESSED ON TV BY A SHADOW MINISTER WHO OBVIOUSLY HAS A SUPERIORITY COMPLEX AND HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP TO BELIEVE THAT HE CAN BE OBNOXIOUS AND PATRIARCHAL TOWARDS ANY WOMAN IN POWER THAT STANDS UP TO HIM...YOU ONLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WAY HE RAGES AT PM JULIA GILLARD TO KNOW THIS MAN HAS A PROBLEM... AND HIS GROTESQUE, DICTATORIAL ATTITUDE ONCE AGAIN INDICATES THAT THIS GROUP OF RELENTLESS NEGATIVE RANTERS THAT ABBOTT HAS SELECTED TO BE HIS TEAM FOR GOVERNMENT ARE NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE AVERAGE AUSSIE... RATHER ARE A HOLIER-THAN-THOU BUNCH OF PRISSY THUGS WHO BROOK NO DISSENT AND DISPLAY THE ATTRIBUTES OF EGO-MANIACS AND PSYCHOPATHS....LIKE CRAZED SPOILT CHILDREN DENIED THEIR FAVOURITE FOOD AT A PARTY DISPLAYING TANTRUMS AND RESORTING TO BULLYING AND STUBBORN BEHAVIOUR TO GET THEIR WAY. ALBERICI WAD TOUGH ON BOTH BRADBURY AND PYNE...YET IT WAS ONLY PYNE THAT HAD THE HISSY FIT. NOT ON. ALBERICI GAVE PYNE PLENTY OF SPEAKING TIME...HE SHOULD HAVE MOVED ON OR MADE HIS POINT IN A LESS STUBBORN, BULLYING AND PATRIARCHAL MANNER. N'

nasking

11/05/2013 Should be: [b]DID YOU SEE THE ARROGANT, BULLYING, CHILDISH, CONDESCENDING, PETTY, SPOILT AND OUTRIGHT RUDE PERFORMANCE OF CHRISTOPHER PYNE LAST NIGHT ON LATELINE...ATTEMPTING TO RIDE ROUGHSHOD OVER HOST EMMA ALBERICI?[/b] N'

nasking

11/05/2013 FROM THE LATELINE INTERVIEW: NOTE HOW LONG PYNE SPOKE BEFORE HE COMPLAINED BRADBURY WAS GETTING ALL THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK EMMA ALBERICI: Christopher Pyne, the Reserve Bank seems to think the mining boom will peak sometime in the next 12 months or thereabouts. What's the Coalition's strategy to boost the non-mining sector? CHRISTOPHER PYNE: Well the Coalition strategy, Emma, is to try and repair the damage that Labor has done in the last six years. One of the reasons the economy is flat is because there is no confidence in the economy. One of the reasons there is no confidence in the economy is because business, whether it's the mining industry, the manufacturing industry or elsewhere, all they can see ahead of them are more taxes from the Government, more debt, more red tape and green tape tying up major projects, militant unionism running rampant, whether it's in Melbourne from the CFMEU or from the Australian Workers Union on mining sites in Western Australia. The problem the government has got, they would like to now blame the Australian dollar but they have overseen the changes that allow the union movement to become so powerful. They have introduced things like the mining tax, the carbon tax. They slowed Olympic Dam down in my own State of South Australia to the point the EIS took over three years. In that period if BHP had started, they wouldn't have been able to pull out. Labor wears the blame for the situation we are in and they can't try and now find a new scape goat. EMMA ALBERICI: David Bradbury I will pull you up on the fact the monastery statement from the Reserve Bank today didn't seem to blame the dollar virtually at all. Where the alarm bells seemed to be ringing for the Reserve Bank is in the possibility that what will drive the non-mining sector over the coming years is more household debt. Do you share that concern, that the consumption side of the equation going forward might be funded by more household debt at a time when Australia already holds the world record for household debt? DAVID BRADBURY: I think it's a much more complex picture than that. I think if you lack at what the Reserve Bank said in their statement earlier in the week, you can see they were pointing to the impacts of the high and persistently high Australian dollar. EMMA ALBERICI: They don't attribute all the problems to that by any stretch? DAVID BRADBURY: If you look at the statement earlier in the week, it certainly points strongly to that being a key driver of why the Reserve Bank cut the cash rate. You listen to what Christopher has to say and I would make this point. We are running an economy that today is 13 per cent larger than before the GFC. Not much matched by any other advanced economy. Contained inflation. Record low interest rates. When they were in office, they told you if you kept interest rates low, that was a sign you were managing the economy well. That little blue pamphlet that the Leader of the Opposition runs around with, it says we will end the reckless spending so we can get interest rates low. How much lower must interest rates go? EMMA ALBERICI: Interest rates, neither side has any bearing on interest rates. It's monetary policy. I might try to engage one of you in the actual question I'm asking. Christopher Pyne, for all the noise about Government debt, isn't the real problem household debt, that it is the highest in the world? CHRISTOPHER PYNE: It is a very serious problem, Emma. What I'm seeing as a local member of Parliament in my own electorate of Sturt is of course people are finding it very difficult to pay their bills, to pay their credit cards. A lot of people are capitalising their interest repayments on their mortgages into more and higher mortgages because they just find it very difficult to make ends meet. They are also very concerned about job security. So household debt is a key problem and the Government pushing up the cost of living, whether it's through the carbon tax, whether it's through constant and increased spending, is adding to that household debt. The only way that the Labor Party will pay back their own $300 billion of gross debt is through higher taxes which will place more stress on families. This week Labor has abandoned increase in the Family Tax Benefit Part A and abandoned income tax cuts, increased the Medicare levy by half a per cent. That is out putting more pressure on household budgets which will add to household debt. DAVID BRADBURY: I thought you supported the increase in the Medicare levy. CHRISTOPHER PYNE: M We are talking about your economic mismanagement. The truth is if the Coalition stayed in power... DAVID BRADBURY: If you want to talk about economic management, unemployment 5.5 per cent. We have created over 950,000 jobs in office. Tony Abbott says he has an aspiration to create a million jobs in five years. We've done that, we've delivered that. We are not talking about it, we have done it. In addition to that we continue to have a record pipeline of investment coming into this country. Emma you make the point... EMMA ALBERICI: Which is tapering off, the mining sector. DAVID BRADBURY: You make the point about household debt. Can I make this point, with lower interest rates, that means for a family on a mortgage of $300,000 they are paying $5,500 yes. EMMA ALBERICI: The Reserve Bank calls it a key risk, that with interest rates falling, households will take on more debt. That is the concern of the Reserve Bank and that spending in other parts of the economy will be fuelled by more debt. DAVID BRADBURY: To put this in perspective... CHRISTOPHER PYNE: That's exactly the problem you have identified, Emma. The spending in the economy will be fuelled by more debt because households are finding more of their disposable income removed from them while the Government tries to increase taxes to cover their own expenditure. DAVID BRADBURY: You can't have it both ways. You can't have it both ways. ([b]NOTE THAT ALBERICI WAS JUST BEING A MODERATOR HERE BUT OVERLY SENSITIVE, FULL OF HIMSELF PYNE COULDN'T HANDLE IT AND SO THE OBNOXIOUS BEHAVIOUR BEGINS[/b]) [b]EMMA ALBERICI: We will let David Bradbury finish his point.[/b] DAVID BRADBURY: You can't say interest rates are so dangerously low because the economy is in crisis. That is effectively what Joe Hockey said the other day. And then on the other hand say we have grave concerns about household debt being fuelled by low interest rates. [b]CHRISTOPHER PYNE: Emma, if I can make a point...[/b] DAVID BRADBURY: Christopher if you just let me make the point. [b]CHRISTOPHER PYNE: You've seem to have made all the point so far.[/b] DAVID BRADBURY: What we have seen over recent years, as interest rates have been cut, we have seen households doing a lot of heavy lifting in paying down their debt. That has been a positive thing. The flipside of that has been that they haven't been spending as much money in the economy. That certainly the evidence that, if you talk to the banks, that is the evidence that is coming through very strongly, that there has been a concerted effort to pay down some of that debt. Whilst household indebtedness continues to be a challenge into the future, we are coming from a base where households have done some heavy lifting in recent times and the country is in a much better position as a result of that. [b]EMMA ALBERICI: Let's move on. Christopher Pyne I wanted to talk about... CHRISTOPHER PYNE: Are you just going to monopolise this interview, I mean.... EMMA ALBERICI: .... I wanted to talk about the participation issue. It was another issue raised by the Reserve Bank in its monetary statement. The Coalition... CHRISTOPHER PYNE: I think David should be rebutted actually. EMMA ALBERICI: Well we've talked a lot about that issue and I want to move onto another. CHRISTOPHER PYNE: I didn't get an opportunity to rebut what he said. EMMA ALBERICI: You had, you had quite a bit of an opportunity and I want to move on... CHRISTOPHER PYNE: Not really actually, he has talked for most of the interview so far actually. EMMA ALBERICI: I'm giving you the opportunity if you let me ask you the question. Part of the statement today from the Reserve Bank was on workforce participation, that they want to see that higher. Your signature policy is on the very generous paid parental leave scheme which many of your MPs think is economically irresponsible. What do you say to that? CHRISTOPHER PYNE: Well Emma, I think firstly David's points need to be rebutted. He made the point that in fact we're living ... DAVID BRADBURY: I understand why you don't want to talk about paid parental leave. CHRISTOPHER PYNE: ... Oh you having another go David, you want to keep going again do you? Cause you've had most of the interview so far. EMMA ALBERICI: Christopher Pyne if I can draw you to my question about... CHRISTOPHER PYNE: Well, I think David Bradbury's points need to be rebutted, Emma. Because the point is if we are living in the days of wine and caring as he seems to identify and blaming the consumers now for high debt because apparently they have been trying to pay back their debt so it's their fault, why is the Government's budget in complete disarray. [/b] [b]EMMA ALBERICI: Christopher Pyne, the Reserve Bank did not mention Government debt at all in its monetary statement, which is why I raised the issue of household debt. Which the Reserve Bank identified as a key... CHRISTOPHER PYNE: But David Bradbury is talking about things that need to be rebutted... EMMA ALBERICI: Can we move on now? CHRISTOPHER PYNE: And you want to move on to another subject which is very typical of Lateline, Emma. The truth is... DAVID BRADBURY: If he doesn't want to talk about their paid parental policy I will. CHRISTOPHER PYNE: I'm happy to talk about that policy, I'm happy to talk about it... EMMA ALBERICI: Christopher Pyne I want to talk about the Reserve Bank's statement actually and the Reserve Bank did not mention Government debt. The Reserve Bank mentioned the key risk to the economy was household debt. CHRISTOPHER PYNE: David Bradbury made some points which need to be rebutted Emma and unfortunately you are not allowing the other side of the equation to get their points across. And the point is [/b]if things are going as well as David Bradbury says where is the Government's budget in complete disarray when revenues are rising 7.7 per cent, why are they saying there is a black hole of $7.5 billion two weeks ago then $12 billion then $17.5 billion, so David Bradbury's points don't add up and that's the point I'm making. [b]EMMA ALBERICI: Okay, you've made that point. And now I want to move on to the paid parental leave scheme. Your scheme which many of your own MPs say is economically irresponsible. CHRISTOPHER PYNE: Next Tuesday is the budget. I would have thought the paid parental leave scheme of the Coalition and the industrial relations policy, while important, are not as important as next Tuesday's budget. [/b]But the paid parental leave scheme is fully funded by 1.5 per cent levy on the 3,200 biggest businesses. It represents a tax cut for small and medium size businesses who'll have their paid parental leave paid.... http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2013/s3756875.htm DISGRACEFUL BEHAVIOUR ON PYNE'S PART. MY WIFE THOUGHT THAT FOR A SHADOW EDUCATION MINISTER WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE AWARE OF AND SENSITIVE ABOUT BULLYING IN SCHOOLS HE CERTAINLY IS NOT A POSITIVE ROLE MODEL. GAWD FORBID IF THIS LOT ARE PERMITTED TO GOVERN THIS COUNTRY. GIVE ME THE CALM, RATIONAL TYPES LIKE DAVID BRADBURY ANY DAY. CONSIDERING HOW FATIGUED BRADBURY MUST BE FROM WORKING 24-7 ON THE BUDGET AND DOING INTERVIEWS I THOUGHT HIM AMAZINGLY RESTRAINED AND COMPOSED. N'

jane

11/05/2013Patricia, we'd all be Rupert & Gina's slaves. You only have to read Dickens to know what life was like for the poor and disabled and what Jack London had to say about the workhouses and slums of London confirms what misery they lived in. It wasn't until the Ripper murders that the government of the day and the wealthy really bothered to look at the appalling conditions the poor suffered. Even though the Great Stink in 1858 had prompted a clean up of the Thames and the embankment had probably saved people living in basements from regular flooding with the filthy disease ridden Thames water, little thought was given to the abject poverty the majority of its citizens lived in. Little wonder that when unions started to organise, workers flocked to join up.

nasking

11/05/2013 BTW, CHECK THE HOSTILITY IN PYNE'S EYES AND EXPRESSED THRU TONE OF VOICE AND HYPERBOLIC WORDS WHEN WATCHING VID. THIS IS A GUY DEFINITELY USED TO GETTING HIS WAY. N'

Catching up

11/05/2013That is the normal Pyne that one sees at any QT. Generally slagging off at the PM across the table.

lyn

11/05/2013Today’s Links How will Tony cope in gaol? by Alan Austin @independentaus No newspaper or other mainstream outlet has attempted anything but the most superficial coverage of the bare news elements. Just bizarre http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/how-will-tony-cope-in-jail/ The Lateral View by rossleighbrisbane, @MigloMT Government debt is frequently referred to as “the credit card” by Joe Hockey. This is, of course, a deliberate attempt to make the Labor Party sound like those “hopeless” people who can’t manage and who are paying 22% interest. http://theaimn.com/2013/05/10/the-lateral-view/ Paid Parental Leave Scheme Part 2, Eva Cox Buggers it up again, by @FairMediaAllian Here’s what she says, including a clue to what she just can’t understand - http://fairmediaalliance.wordpress.com/2013/05/09/paid-parental-leave-scheme-part-2-eva-cox-buggers-it-up-again/ Paid maternity leave: time for a rethink by Zoe Dattner Eva Cox’s argument that ‘Abbott’s Paid Parental Leave is Better’ is likewise potentially damaging in its contribution to the debate. She believes that ‘we need to normalise women’s relationship to paid work and money’. http://overland.org.au/blogs/loudspeaker/2013/05/paid-maternity-leave-time-for-a-rethink/ You Want To Talk About Misleading- by @sortius The lies don’t just stop at Turnbull’s attempt to smear both Conroy & Brotchie, he’s outright lied about Netflix by saying “There are many variables at play, which explains why Netflix movies in the US download at about the same rate regardless of the nature of the connection – fibre, HFC cable, ADSL – into the customer’s premises”. No Mal, Netflix actually changes bandwidth http://sortius-is-a-geek.com/ No worker will be worse off under our industrial relations policy. Now where have I heard that before by @no_filter_Yamba Australian Opposition Leader Tony Abbott (former Minister for Employment Services and Minister for Employment, Workplace Relations and Small Business in the Howard Government) on the subject of http://northcoastvoices.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/no-worker-will-be-worse-off-under-our.html WorkChoices it ain’t, but Abbott’s IR plan is partly feral by @BernardKeane It’s only a month since Abbott was joining the Institute of Public Affairs to celebrate its defence of freedom. The ABCC’s powers were so extreme, even the IPA criticised them. Amid a moderate, sensible set of IR reforms, the Coalition has placed a direct assault on our most basic rights. http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/05/10/abbott-unveils-minimalist-ir-policy-but-with-some-traps-for-unions/ Cricket riots, lost trousers and objects thrown: leaders tested by Dylan Barber The schoolyard prank on Prime Minister Julia Gillard was dissected far and wide, and within a few hours lazy headline writers had delivered “sandwichgate”, a student was suspended, talkback radio was abuzz and everyone except Gillard herself seemed to think it was a big deal. http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/05/10/cricket-riots-lost-trousers-and-objects-thrown-leaders-tested/ Media Pantomime, Pugilistic rhetoric, and the Permanent suspension of disbelief. by @AusVotes2013 I reckon the last couple of weeks would put a crick in the neck of the toughest political pundit. http://ausvotes2013.com/2013/05/10/media-pantomime-pugilistic-rhetoric-and-the-permanent-suspension-of-disbelief/ Climate action under an Abbott government by @ConversationEDU Tony Abbott’s own recent statements on these matters indicates a worrying lack of knowledge of the roles of public investment in technological change, and a simplistic view of the failures that often result from any investment – public or otherwise – in innovation. http://theconversation.com/climate-action-under-an-abbott-government-13953 The Liberal Party’s war on freedoms: My reply to Brandis by @margokingston1 We support reform because we believe in free speech, and the Brandis smear against journalists who want reform made me feel sick. http://australiansforhonestpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/the-liberal-partys-war-on-freedoms-my-reply-to-brandis/ Tainted by conviction by @btckr Mr Green goes on to describe a bleak future, including perhaps the disappearance of journalism, but he does not say what might replace it. That exact possibility has been exercising my own mind lately. http://truthinmediaresourcecentre.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/tainted-by-conviction/ Does Tony Abbott ever side with workers? by Tim Lyons Tony Abbott was Minister for Workplace Relations for less than three years, over the course of 2001 to 2003. In that short time, he packed in an extraordinary amount of anti-worker and union-busting activity. Here a just a few of his “greatest hits”. http://community.securejobs.org.au/Blogs/RAW-News/July-2010/Does-Tony-Abbott-ever-side-with-workers-.aspx Financial Leprosy by @madwixxy Tony Abbott will call a press conference shortly afterwards and looking as upset as possible, will blame Julia Gillard and Wayne Swan for leaving him with no other option but to walk away from, or indefinitely put off his Parental Leave Scheme. This I can see coming a mile away. http://wixxyleaks.com/2013/05/10/financial-leprosy/ Abbott And Abetz Announce Workers Paradise by @Dan_Gulberry These new IR laws the LNP plan to introduce are Workchoices by stealth, designed to do nothing except smash the unions, and put all the power in an employer/employee relationship fully in the hands of employers, just as Workchoices did. http://thedailyderp.net/2013/05/10/abbott-and-abetz-announce-workers-paradise/ Nick Cater’s cheer squad in Culture clash BY @CrikeyWeekender Over in Anti-News Unlimited land, the vaguely North Korean festival of journalist Nick Cater continues. His book The Lucky Culture is being variously launched and spruiked by former PM John Howard and, of course, academic Geoffrey Blainey in various places round the joint http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/05/08/rundle-nick-caters-cheer-squad-in-culture-clash/ The Culture Wars Revisited by Gary Sauer-Thompson Nick Cater’s book The Lucky Culture And the Rise of an Australian Ruling Class is the voice of the Murdoch media in Australia, which controls 70% of the press and a fair slice of the screen. Cater speaks for the political power that is centred on big business, the Murdoch global media empire, elite private schools and the Liberal and National Parties. http://www.sauer-thompson.com/archives/opinion/2013/05/the-culture-war.php Where to from here for the anti-Fair Work Act campaign- by @MattCowgill The campaign by The Australian newspaper against the Fair Work Act has had a few phases. I’d like to go through a few of their key claims and evaluate them against recent data. http://mattcowgill.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/where-to-from-here-for-the-anti-fair-work-act-campaign/ A deficit scary? It depends on why it's there by @1RossGittins If you're a one-eyed Liberal supporter, any deficit is a terrible thing and it should be eliminated ASAP. If you're a one-eyed Labor supporter, budget deficits aren't a great problem and to reduce them while the economy is in its present state could do great damage. http://www.blayneychronicle.com.au/story/1493877/a-deficit-scary-it-depends-on-why-its-there/?cs=9 ABCs: Newspapers continue print decline by @mumbrella The greatest fall comes from Sydney’s Sunday paper, Fairfax Media’s Sun-Herald, which has seen circulation dip by 24.4 per cent from 383,607 to 290,174 compared to the same period last year. http://mumbrella.com.au/abcs-newspapers-2-154910 See how fast the NBN is: Labor vs Liberal - Tech Things @chakko Labor’s FTTP NBN will offer a maximum upload speed of 400Mbps. Contrast this with the Coalition’s FTTN alternative with 25Mbps download and a meager 5Mbps (yes, five megabit per second) upload. http://www.thevine.com.au/life/tech/see-how-fast-the-nbn-is-labor-vs-liberal-tech-things/ Today’s Front Pages Australian Newspaper Front Pages for 11 May 2013 http://www.thepaperboy.com/australia/front-pages.cfm

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11/05/2013 YA KNOW, LIKE EVA COX AND A FEW OTHERS I THINK I'M BECOMING MORE ATTRACTED TO THE SWEDISH FORM OF PAID PARENTAL LEAVE. BTW, SEEING THE WONDERFUL AND EVER-COURAGEOUS EVA GETTING DEEPLY INTO THIS DEBATE, AS ALWAYS PURSUING EGALITARIANISM AND EQUAL PAY FOR WOMEN, THE FOLLOWING CRIKEY ARTICLE BY EVA CAME TO MIND... IT PROVIDES YET MORE GOOD REASONS AS TO WHY WE DON'T NEED ABBOTT WINNING, COSTELLO RUNNING AROUND SCREAMING DEBT DEBT DEBT...GIVING THE STATE LNP GOVTS AND JOE HOCKEY EXCUSES TO BRING IN BRIT AND EURO STYLE AUSTERITY MEASURES THAT COULD BE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS FOR OUR SOCIETY: From The Guardian in September last year: “[b]Britain today is more polarised than 10 years ago: the economic bubble has created both a new super-rich and a disenfranchised underclass. We need to return to our core moral values and find a new way of making a living, argues Will Hutton in this extract from his new book. Let’s start, he says, with fairness…” The year before, Wilkinson and Pickett produced their study of inequality between and within nations, The Spirit Level, which uses statistics to suggest inequality is in itself toxic and destructive of societal links, and followed up the issues on their website. Currently the site carries the following suggestions: If the UK were more equal, we’d be better off as a population. For example, the evidence suggests that if we halved inequality here: - Murder rates could halve - Mental illness could reduce by two thirds - Obesity could halve - Imprisonment could reduce by 80% - Teen births could reduce by 80% - Levels of trust could increase by 85%.[/b] [b]Hutton’s recent book lays the causes on the neo-liberal revolution which from the 1980s promoted materialism as the deciding basis for assessing social well being. In the name of economic development, self-interest, greed and individualism were encouraged as the best characteristics for increasing productivity and wealth, and the market as the basis for its distribution, but not for all. This means most of those under 40 in an Anglophone country have grown up in increasingly unequal societies that are seen to allocate rewards unfairly to those that already are advantaged. This retreat from fairness as an intrinsic factor in maintaining democracy is likely to create serious doubts about the goodwill and trustworthiness of those in power. While the quantum of created wealth grows sufficiently to engage the majority of the population in optimistic assumptions that they too could taste success, the alienation of those who fail is likely to stay under the radar. If, as has happened over the past decade plus, the neoliberal financial policies are backed up with increasingly paternalistic and authoritarian social control policies, the difficulties experienced by those who do not benefit from free markets are likely to be hidden.[/b] It becomes easy to define financial failures as always personal, rather than structural, which removes the need for taking responsibility for those who miss out. Blaming the victims lets us off the hook. This works as long as most people continue to believe the system will advantage them. When there is a major failure of the financial system, there are increasingly widespread doubts about the mantra that markets allocate wealth and success to those who merit the rewards. Add to the confusion, the need for governments, often seriously reduced in their role as preserver of national well being, to step in and rescue incompetent banks and financial markets. Wider community members are increasingly likely to become anxious about their futures as both the government and financial institutions seem to have stuffed it. The failures of shares and many investment products started to affect wider groups than the usual suspects, and fear of the future becomes palpable. Add debates about climate change and threats of terror and the result is a toxic miasma and seriously distressed social fabrics. The UK really copped this but it echoes in Australia. Move on a couple of years and little has really improved except that many countries that bailed out their banks are now seriously financially strapped. They have borrowed against their national patrimony to save financial institutions that were deemed too big to fail and now have very large debts that threaten their financial capacity to function. So they tell the people, their voters, that governments have to start cutting expenditure and raise taxes to cover the money they expended bailing out financial institutions. Most of these seem to be now doing better than the governments and the business leaders are making sure that the public sphere cannot raise taxes that would affect their profits. [b]Cuts start coming to the places near you. Jobs become scarcer, especially for the more marginal workers, and access to services become limited by financial limits. The welfare state, set up post war to ensure a safety net for those groups that may be vulnerable to extremist views, is in trouble. We forget it was the unemployed and disaffected in the 1930s that rioted in the streets and supported Hitler, Mussolini, local fascists and raised fears of a possible communist revolution. And the peasants/people become revolting. Not all of them but in many countries, not just Britain, there are signs that various groups in the community have become detached from their sense of belonging and any loyalty to state, community or even their fellow citizens. Told for years that material goods symbolise success, they show their anger and desire for material trinkets by theft, vandalism and violence. They extend hate against outgroups and become tribal in defence of their mates. Why should we expect them to have respect for the laws of societies that seem to them to be unfair and disordered? Where are the leaders in business and politics that model the role of good citizens so they can learn about responsibility for others and respect for authority? Not from the financiers that ripped off the world, the various celebrities that tabloids tout to sell their wares, nor from the privatisation and commercialisation of nearly everything, including the sales of publicly owned goods and services. The government is no longer an arbiter or the symbol of what unites us in any way at all, but just the purveyor of law and order and apparent tool of the financiers that ripped people off.[/b] http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/08/12/london-riots-eva-cox/ INDEED. N'

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11/05/2013 Sweden provides working parents with an entitlement of 16 months paid leave per child at 80 percent pay, the cost being shared between employer and the state. [b]To encourage greater paternal involvement in child-rearing, 2 months out of the 16 is reserved for the "minority" parent, in practice usually the father, and some Swedish political parties on the political left argue for legislation to oblige families to divide the 16 months equally between both parents.[/b] Norway has similarly generous leave. In Estonia mothers are entitled to 18 months of paid leave, starting up to 70 days before due date. Fathers are entitled to paid leave starting from the third month after birth (paid leave is however available to only one parent at a time). Wikipedia WOULD SEEM IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT A REALLY FAIR SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT ENSURES WOMEN DON'T END UP BEING DESIRED LESS BY BUSINESS...AND MEN CAN SHARE THE TIME LOOKING AFTER BABY...WE NEED TO TAKE MUCH MORE TIME AND PLANNING TO PUT IT IN PLACE. I WOULD PRIORITISE THE DISABILITY SCHEME AND EDUCATION REFORMS FOR NOW...THE GOVTS PPL BEING TOUTED AS THE FIRST STEP TO A BETTER PPL SYSTEM. I'M SURE LIKE THE SWEDES THE ALP WILL GET THERE IN TIME. INCREMENTALLY. THEY ARE THE PARTY THAT GAVE US MEDICARE. I'M WORRIED THAT ABBOTT HAS NOT FULLY THOUGHT THIS PPL SCHEME THRU AND IT'S A KNEE-JERK REACTION TO VALID ACCUSATIONS OF MISOGYNY AND THE PERCEPTION THAT SOME IN HIS TEAM HAVE A PATRIARCHAL SUPERIORITY COMPLEX AND BORN TO RULE MENTALITY THAT SEES THEM DEMEAN WOMEN IN POWER WHO DO NOT PERMIT THEM TO GET THEIR WAY ON EVERYTHING...OR BEAT THEM IN A COMPETITIVE FIGHT. N'

nasking

11/05/2013 [quote]That is the normal Pyne that one sees at any QT. Generally slagging off at the PM across the table.[/quote] YES CU, A BORN TO RULE MENTALITY VERGING ON PATRIARCHAL. PYNE MIGHT HAVE A MOTHER SON RELATIONSHIP WITH SOME PROMINENT LIBERALS...BUT HE DEMONSTRATES CERTAIN MISOGYNISTIC BEHAVIOURS ON OCCASION...I WONDER IF IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH GOING TO A WELL-OFF PRIVATE CATHOLIC SCHOOL? IT COULD ALSO BE WEAKNESS OF PERSONALITY ON PYNE'S PART...AND BEING SPOILT AND MOLLY CODDLED IN THE PAST... AND PERHAPS IT'S SOMETHING ABOUT THE PRESENT LIBERAL PARTY THAT HAS ITS ROOTS IN THE SOMEWHAT PATRIARCHAL JOHN HOWARD ERA...? INTERESTING HOW NAT BARNABY JOYCE CAN BE SIMILAR. AS ALPer BILL SHORTEN ATTENDED A PRIVATE CATHOLIC SCHOOL AND DEMONSTRATES FAR MORE MATURITY...AND RESPECT FOR WOMEN IN POWER. N'

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11/05/2013LYN'S DAILY LINKS updated: http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/page/LYNS-DAILY-LINKS.aspx

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11/05/2013Jane, I sit corrected (as I am typing this) - obviously some have greater intellect and an immediate grasp of all knowledge on a impressively wide range of subject that you or I do. The all-seeing one however did forget that Public servants (who no longer get tea and coffee supplied in Queensland by Premier directive) also pay tax. Business is also concerned about the predatory practices frequently employed by large corporations in various sectors of the economy. If it wasn't for those coffee drinking public servants, the practices would continue unabated because no one would be there to enforce the law. Thats the problem with conservative blowhards - they can only see a small blinkered section of the entire picture and then claim that they are hard done by. Rather pitiful actually. Progressives however seem to generally realise there is a larger picture.

nasking

11/05/2013 LET'S FACE IT...THE ECONOMY IS SOUND...RATES ARE LOW...UNEMPLOYMENT IS LOW COMPARED TO MANY OTHER STRUGGLING COUNTRIES...LABOR HAS A BETTER NBN...HAS THE DISABILITY SCHEME...EDUCATION REFORM...THE 18,OOO TAX FREE THRESHOLD...IS STRONG ON SUPERANNUATION AND TRYING TO MAKE IT FAIRER...GOT RID OF WORKCHOICES...BUILT TRADES TRAINING CENTRES...HAS BEEN FAIR TO ALL SCHOOLS...FOCUSED ON DISADVANTAGE AND MAKING SCHOOLS MORE HI-TECH WITH BETTER SCIENCE LABS AND LIBRARIES TO ASSIST US TO MODERNISE...HAS FOCUSED HEAVILY ON DIVERSE INFRASTRUCTURE INCLUDING HELPING GET THE LONG DELAYED TUGAN BYPASS FINISHED...GOT US THRU THE GFC... IT'S A NO-BRAINER: Despite recent leadership turmoil, ''things aren't that bad'' for the government this far out from the 2013 election, says independent polling analyst Andrew Catsaras. ''In three of the last seven elections - 1993, 1998 and 2001 - governments have been in poorer positions than this one and much closer to the election, and still won,'' he says. ''You will find people saying the Coalition is definitely going to win but we are 18 months away from an election … If an election was held tomorrow the Coalition would win but if an election was called for six weeks from now we don't know if the polls would reflect that result.'' Mr Catsaras, who has aggregated polling data from September 2010, says Labor's support plummeted after announcing the carbon tax in February last year. Support for the government has gradually improved since July, as the heat has come out of the carbon debate. The government needs a further two to three points to be competitive, he says. In each of 12 ''tight'' federal elections since 1919 - when the two-party preferred votes of the major parties were each between 49 and 51 per cent - the government has been returned. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/labor-not-without-hope-of-turnaround-in-poor-polling-20120303-1ua3p.html#ixzz2SvqWSC4M I BELIEVE THE GOVT WILL COME BACK...AND POSSIBLY WIN THIS ELECTION. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT VOTERS PUT ASIDE THEIR CYNICISM THAT HAS BEEN PARTLY CREATED BY THE NEO-LIBERALS AND MURDOCH EMPIRE HATERS WHO HAVE BEEN TOLD TO TRASH THE NBN... AND STOP BELIEVING THE HYPE THAT HAS BEEN SPREAD ABOUT THIS GOVT... CERTAINLY THEY ARE NOT PERFECT... BUT WHICH GOVT IS? YA CAN'T PLEASE ALL OF THE PEOPLE ALL OF THE TIME...AND IF A PREVIOUS CONSERVATIVE GOVT HAS NEGLECTED TO GET THE JOB DONE DUE TO A FANATICAL OBSESSION WITH SURPLUSES...DID NOT PUT IN A MINING TAX NOR PPL...NOR DO BUGGER ALL TO DEAL WITH CLIMATE CHANGE...AND WE GET AN ECONOMIC TSUNAMI DUE PARTIALLY TO IRRATIONAL EXUBERANCE AND RAMPANT CAPITALIST ATTITUDES...AND A HUGE MOVEMENT IN REFUGEES DUE TO A WAR IN SRI LANKA AND DISPLACEMENT OF PEOPLE CAUSED BY BUSH, BLAIR AND HOWARD'S WARS... IS IT SURPRISING THAT A GOVERNMENT WOULD HAVE TO SPEND WHILST CUTTING THE BENEFITS PROVIDED BY THE HOWARD GOVT TO THE WELL-OFF AT THE EXPENSE OF EVERYONE ELSE??? I THINK NOT. THE GILLARD GOVERNMENT DEFINITELY DESERVES ANOTHER TERM AS FAR AS I CAN SEE IT. I'M NOT TAKING THE RISK OF VOTING COALITION WITH ITS SHONKY THOUGHT BUBBLE POLICIES. N'

TalkTurkey

11/05/2013Independent Australia is the leading edge in challenging the Flailing Fourth Estate and the Police, in particular in their obdurate failure to investigate the Brough-Pyne-Ashby conspiracy wrt Peter Slipper. But many other good articles appear there, and this one affirms my own thinking wrt to the Government's position, which is exactly where I think it wants to be now. We're about to hit the gas. http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/abbott-batting-on-a-deteriorating-pitch/[i][/i]

nasking

11/05/2013 YA JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT YER GETTING... ONE OF THE REASONS I WENT VEGO WAS BECAUSE I WORKED IN THE UK AND ATE MEAT DURING THE MAD COW OUTBREAK... YEA, DURING THE THATCHER YEARS... IT WAS TERRIFYING... I FIND THAT PROFITEERING BUSINESSES WHO HAVE TOO MUCH POLITICAL INFLUENCE AND CAN UNDERMINE UNIONS AND SAFETY INSPECTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS ARE PUTTING MANY PEOPLE AT RISK... AND DOING DREADFUL THINGS TO ALL KINDS OF ANIMALS WHO DESERVE BETTER: [b]Almost four months after the widespread adulteration of beef products with horsemeat was revealed by the Food Safety Authority of Ireland, there are growing fears in the UK that the investigation to identify the full extent of the fraud is being shut down, the Guardian has learned. Senior sources in enforcement and the food industry have accused the Irish authorities of being more concerned to protect the Irish beef industry than to expose all the links in the chain. "There is deep frustration. There's a belief the FSAI must have known exactly what it was looking for, but the Irish end is in lockdown and there is not the full flow of information we'd expect. We have a sense of immense pressure to close it down," a senior figure in UK enforcement said. A high-profile victim in the food industry, said: "It looks as though the authorities are not going to be able to identify and prosecute any major abattoir or processor that sold undeclared horse because of a wall of silence from the Irish." The shadow secretary for environment and food, Mary Creagh, called for more clarity over the investigation: "The question now is what progress are both governments making to bring people to justice? Ours has gone silent. If consumers are ever to see justice both sides will have to work closely together rather than going back to business as usual."[/b] http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/10/horsemeat-scandal-fear-culprits-justice NOT GOOD...NOT GOOD AT ALL... RAMPANT CAPITALISM IS PUTTING SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC AT RISK... IT'S TIME WE GOT SMARTER...SANER. BEFORE WE END UP WITH THE EPIDEMIC TO END ALL EPIDEMICS. N'

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11/05/2013 THIS TRAGIC EPISODE, YET ANOTHER IN THE HISTORY OF RAMPANT CAPITALISM, GOT ME THINKING ABOUT A FILM I SAW AS AN OLDER TEEN... [b]NORMA RAE[/b]: [b]The collapse of the factory, in an industrial zone on the outskirts of Dhaka, prompted widespread criticism of local authorities, employers and international retailers such as Britain's Primark, which were supplied with clothes by businesses run from its upper floors. About two-thirds of the more than 3,000 workers in the building managed to flee. But as many as 1,500 may have been buried by rubble. With an official death toll standing at 1,050, relatives and rescue workers had given up hope of finding anyone else alive. "We were removing slabs," said Lt Col S M Imran-Uz-Zaman, an army spokesman at the site. "We immediately halted work in all other areas and focused on the rescue." Razzaq said he heard Reshma's tapping after bulldozers lifted rubble covering the spot. Rescuers saw her standing in the gap between a beam of concrete and the slab. "When I flashed the torchlight I saw a lot of space and she was walking," said Monwar, a worker at the site. Daily life in much of the capital ground to a halt as Dhaka's inhabitants watched the rescue unfold live on local television. Tensions were high. An earlier attempt to rescue a woman found in the debris more than 100 hours after the building collapsed went disastrously wrong when sparks from a grinder ignited a fire, killing her and fatally burning a rescue worker.[/b] http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/10/bangladesh-survivor-reshma-begum WHEN WILL THE WORLD GET SMARTER AND SANER? HOW MANY CASUALTIES MUST THERE BE TO CONTINUE THIS INSANE ADDICTION TO CHEAP DISPOSABLE GOODS AND NEED TO KEEP SOME POOR IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE REST? TRAGIC! N'

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11/05/2013 Reuben Warshowsky: [b]On October 4, 1970, my grandfather, Isaac Abraham Warshowsky, aged eighty-seven, died in his sleep in New York City. On the following Friday morning, his funeral was held. My mother and father attended, my two uncles from Brooklyn attended, my Aunt Minnie came up from Florida. Also present were eight hundred and sixty-two members of the Amalgamated Clothing Workers and Cloth, Hat and Cap Makers' Union. Also members of his family. In death as in life, they stood at his side. They had fought battles with him, bound the wounds of battle with him, had earned bread together and had broken it together. When they spoke, they spoke in one voice, and they were heard. They were black, they were white, they were Irish, they were Polish, they were Catholic, they were Jews, they were one. That's what a union is: one... Ladies and gentlemen, the textile industry, in which you are spending your lives and your substance, and in which your children and their children will spend their lives and their substance, is the only industry in the whole length and breadth of the United States of America that is not unionized. Therefore, they are free to exploit you, to cheat you, to lie to you, and to take away what is rightfully yours - your health, a decent wage, a fit place to work. I would urge you to stop them by coming down to room 207 at the Golden Cherry Motel, to pick up a union card and to sign it... It comes from the Bible - according to the tribes of your fathers, ye shall inherit. It comes from Reuben Warshowsky - not unless you make it happen.[/b] FROM NORMA RAE INDEED. N'

Tom of Melbourne

11/05/2013Senseless as always. The public service only exists to administer programs and provide services in the public interest. The public service specifically does not exist to provide some form of base load consumer demand. That notion is ridiculous. If a government can provide the required services and programs with fewer public servants, the duty of the government is to implement the change and give effect to the savings as quickly as possible. Aggregate demand is not supported by a bloated public sector, aggregate demand is better supported by things like pension increases, where the major proportion of the income is spent. It is an entirely legitimate objective of government to keep the public sector to a minimum, and either increase payments to those who will most effectively support aggregate demand or reduce the burden of taxes.

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11/05/2013 FROM MIKE CARLTON: [quote]They see this as unfinished business. The Howard government blatantly stacked the ABC board with such Tory stooges as The Australian's resident scold Janet Albrechtsen and the Melbourne Liberal grandee Michael Kroger - now there's a pair for you - but nothing came of it. And many in the Coalition have not forgiven the former ABC managing director Donald McDonald, who was also supposed to go in and blow up the joint at Howard's behest. McDonald actually did his job even-handedly, with great distinction, infuriating many of his erstwhile friends. The lead in this latest push is shared by the IPA and Melbourne's village idiot and columnist for the Herald Sun, Andrew Bolt, who howl for the ABC to be broken up and sold off. This is deeply stupid. To give just one simple example: who would buy the ABC's network of country radio stations? They're a vibrant part of their communities, especially at flood or bushfire time, but they could never turn a profit. Most commercial stations in the bush are struggling as it is. None of this troubles Bolt and his goons. ''The ABC and SBS networks … must simply be eliminated. This will remove the largest mass propaganda machine from the Communists,'' frothed a reader comment on his blog this week. That was one of the milder efforts at what I think of as Fruitcake HQ. I suspect the culture warriors know, deep down, that they can't flog the ABC. There would be national outrage if they tried. But they will lunge to bring the place to heel with punitive funding cuts. Just watch them. [/quote] Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/lights-camera-action-more-joyous-trots-on-set-20130510-2jd3q.html#ixzz2SwvseJnW INDEED. IRONIC INNIT IT THO THAT THE ABC COMES ACROSS A SOOO NEO-LIBERAL THESE DAYS... I GUESS THE MURDOCHITES, FREE-MARKETEERS, RAMPANT CAPITALIST APOLOGISTS & PERPETUATORS AND OTHER FAR-RIGHT PANDERERS JUST [b]HAVE TO HAVE IT ALL[/b]. [b]THE INSATIABLE GREED AND THAT BIG BLOODY MAW.[/b] N'

KHTAGH

11/05/2013AA Another very good piece, well worth the read. I have been pulling back a bit from political commenting of late as the rage it is causing is starting to interfere with my sleep which I don't like. I care about this country & don't like the way it is going, but I feel I'm in the minority. I'll hate to see the result of an Abbott government & when the financial crap hits the blades I'll be sitting back smiling & telling those who voted for him. "you got what you wanted now suck it up & sleep in the gutter you have made for yourselves". You wont be able to give a McMansion away when the housing prices collapse, those that have mortgaged their houses to gamble on the stock markets get left holding... ummmm [u][b]nothing [/b][/u]. If they find it hard to live on $250,000PA wait & see what a recession does for their standard of living. I survive on less that $20,000PA, but I don't want to live like a king either so I find it easier than most would, not having a family is the only reason I can. I do read TPS on a daily basis to catch up with the comments, it gladdens my heart to read them. I like the newer picture too.

Jason

11/05/2013 FORMER Parliamentary Speaker and ex-Liberal MP-turned independent Peter Slipper has joined billionaire Clive Palmer's United Australia Party. Mr Palmer today confirmed Mr Slipper had applied to become a member of the Party - and his application had been accepted. But Mr Slipper won't be standing for the seat of Fisher. http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/peter-slipper-joins-clive-palmers-united-australia-party/story-e6freoof-1226639861716?sv=3ec40188362899cb7fc0e8b2eaa00d08#.UY2uLO-qFMI.twitter

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11/05/2013Hi Lyn I did enjoy reading your links this morning, such an eclectic collection. It was interesting to read of the decline in newspaper circulation. All have declined except the [i]Australian Financial Review[/i] Weekend Edition. It’s no wonder they are worried. I wonder what the climate skeptics will make of today’s [i]New York Times[/i] article [i]Heat-Trapping Gas Passes Milestone, Raising Fears[/i] that reports that atmospheric CO2 is now at its highest level in three million years: [i]”The level of the most important heat-trapping gas in the atmosphere, carbon dioxide, has passed a long-feared milestone, scientists reported Friday, reaching a concentration not seen on the earth for millions of years. Scientific instruments showed that the gas had reached an average daily level above 400 parts per million — just an odometer moment in one sense, but also a sobering reminder that decades of efforts to bring human-produced emissions under control are faltering. The best available evidence suggests the amount of the gas in the air has not been this high for at least three million years, before humans evolved, and scientists believe the rise portends large changes in the climate and the level of the sea.[/i]” http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/11/science/earth/carbon-dioxide-level-passes-long-feared-milestone.html This morning I’ve been finishing the next piece: [i]Feathers Fly at the Federal Chook House[/i] that I will post tomorrow evening.

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11/05/2013KHTAGH Welcome back and thank you for your kind comment. I hope you will enjoy the next piece [i]Feathers Fly at the Federal Chook House[/i].

Jason

11/05/2013Insiders ABC‏@InsidersABC10m Plenty of analysis from panel @lenoretaylor @GMegalogenis & Brian Toohey. Get into the budget week groove 9am tomorrow morning! #Insiders Insiders ABC‏@InsidersABC11m Big pre-budget #insiders tomorrow. Barrie talks to Innes Willox @The_AiGroup & @actudave about Opp's IR plan & the budget

lyn

11/05/2013Hi Ad, Hope you are having a nice weekend, glad you enjoyed the links, we sure do read a mixture of information. Don't think we miss anything by not reading the Newspapers in fact much better informed. Khtagh so good to see you ♥ Smile I agree with everything you said [quote]“I'll hate to see the result of an Abbott government”[/quote] such a scary thought. I keep telling myself “well it won’t effect me”. But it will. Nasking you are certainly keeping us informed, thankyou for your work. Jason thankyou for the Insiders program, maybe the discussion will be worthwhile for a change. 2 tweets with links for you, pleased to see other people are tweeting our Truth Seeker’s work:- Vince O'Grady ‏ What can you expect from an Abbott government. http://truthseekersmusings.wordpress.com/2013/05/11/austerity-so-hows-that-working-for-you/ … Be very afraid? Anne @Summers #TonyAbbott watch your back. When Abbott goes it alone, policy falls victim says Peter Reith http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4672028.html … via @abcthedrum :):):)

jane

11/05/2013ToM, public servants get paid, pay tax and spend money buying consumer goods like anyone else. They are not stacked away in cupboards after 5.00pm. Hospitals are staffed by public servants as are schools, fire brigades & the police force and they also pay tax and spend their money buying consumer goods. Public servants also buy their breakfast, lunch and lattes like any other employee, public or private. Small businesses like cafes depend on them doing just that. and we've seen these types of business closing as a result of Newman's sackings. He has also effectively sacked the people who worked in those businesses, all of whom no longer pay tax and buy much fewer consumer goods, draining the economy of revenue. It doesn't matter what they do for their pay; they pay tax and spend money in the retail sector, the country's biggest employer. Ripping money out of the retail sector would result in mass unemployment and would most likely send the economy into recession. Apparently Queensland is now officially in recession, a victim of the Right's obsession with a discredited economic theory,

jane

11/05/2013Indeed, 2353. But even so, public servants apparently do not meet the all seeing all knowing base load and aggregate (I think that's something to do with road making) demand monster's requirements. This despite the fact that they pay tax, buy stuff and administer government legislation for the benefit of the public. It seems that we have once again failed to unnerstan' that governments don't need a public service to function and to administer their legislation. It's done by a mysterious magical process to which we are not privy. :D NAS' AS USUAL YOU PROVIDE EVERYONE WITH A DELUGE OF INFORMATION, FROM HERE AND O/S. PARTICULARLY SHOCKING ARE THE REPORTS WRT THE HORSE MEAT SCANDAL AND THE SWEAT SHOP COLLAPSE IN DHAKA. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT IN YOUR CONCLUSIONS ON BOTH. WE ALL HAVE TO BEAR SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITY, I THINK. WE COLLECTIVELY LOOK THE OTHER WAY AT THE COST TO THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE GOODS WE BUY SO CHEAPLY. AND WE RATIONALISE THE REASONS THAT SOME BUSINESSES MOVE OFFSHORE TO EXPLOIT THE CHEAP LABOUR IN COUNTRIES LIKE BANGLADESH.

Patriciawa

11/05/2013Hi Nasking, I see that your wise words got a big write up over at Cafe Whispers from Miglo. http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2013/05/11/its-a-no-brainer/

Jason

11/05/2013PETER Slipper's membership with Clive Palmer's United Australia Party has "ceased" only hours after it was announced he had joined the party. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/peter-slipper-joins-clive-palmers-united-australia-party/story-e6freuy9-1226639861716

Casablanca

11/05/2013[b]Lowest Government Advertising Spend Since 2008[/b] [i]For the fifth year in a row, the Gillard Government has spent over $100 million less per year than the Howard Government’s advertising spend of $254 million in 2007.[/i] http://www.smos.gov.au/media/2013/mr_242013.html

nasking

12/05/2013 PATRICIA, THNX FOR THE HEADS UP...SHARED IT ON FACEBOOK. CHEERS MIGS! WELL SAID JANE...PER USUAL. CHEERS JANE, THNX FOR ALL THE USEFUL LINKS. I SHARED YER LYN'S LINKS PAGE ON FACEBOOK TODAY. JASON, THNX FOR THE INSIDERS INFO. AD, TOP PIC. LATER, N'

nasking

12/05/2013 OBVIOUSLY THAT SHOULD BE: CHEERS LYN, THNX FOR ALL THE USEFUL LINKS. I SHARED YER LYN'S LINKS PAGE ON FACEBOOK TODAY. :D N'

sally b

12/05/2013I have been studying the effects of austerity for a little while now, and had read the piece in The Conversation which you discuss. I understand people's desire to simplify their understanding of national economics by referring to household finances, but one very obvious thing which gets ignored is that an individual comes eventually to the end of his/her working life - and indeed, life itself. This is not true of the country as a whole,with new people coming continuously into the workforce. Should some catastrophic event occur that ends this process, i would humbly submit that the country's debt would be the least of our worries! As far as 'burdening future generations with debt', as far a i can make out debt has been created and paid off several times already within my lifetime. I have enjoyed the benefits provided by the incurring of that debt and not been noticeably inconvenienced by its repayment.

Austin 3:16

12/05/2013Living within our means Swan style - job cuts in the public service http://www.heraldsun.com.au/money/wayne-swan-to-skin-the-fat-cats/story-e6frfh5f-1226640046866 Disgraceful.

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12/05/2013sally b I'm not sure it you are the same 'sally' who joined us in 2010, but anyway, welcome to [i]The Political Sword[/i] family. Do come again. Thank you for your comment, which makes good sense. Like you, I cannot remember the burden of paying off previous national debts, but I am aware of the benefits that accrued to the nation consequent upon the spending that incurred the debt in the first place. If as a nation we want the benefits of good education, healthcare and infrastructure, we have to pay for it, sometimes in advance, and thereby incur debt. That's the way the world works now, although some are still looking in the rear-view mirror at how it worked in the past.

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12/05/2013[b]HAPPY HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY TO ALL THE MOTHERS THAT VISIT HERE.[/b]

lyn

12/05/2013Good Morning Ad, Thankyou & Happy Mothers Day to your wife and family :):)

Ken

12/05/2013As regards earlier comments about LNP use of the term "entitlement". As explained earlier, it is used to justify cuts to services to those most in need. But there is another side which, I think, does deserve the term. The Howard government created a sense of "entitlement" with its middle class welfare and this is where the complaints come from when the current Government tries to reduce middle class welfare by such measures as means-testing the medical insurance rebate. It is those who are well-off but have the sense of "entitlement" created by the LNP in government that now make it more difficult to shift funding to those who need it most. If there is a sense of "entitlement" out there, it was created by past LNP policies!! [b]Amandla awethu Abu[/b]

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12/05/2013Thank you Lyn, and a very Happy Mother's day to you and your family.

Algernon

12/05/2013Don't know why all the brouhaha about debt in this country. As explained today it's like someone on $100k having a mortgage of $10k. The repayment work out at $500 per year. I see windbag joe being on insiders next week. Will they press him on his $70b crater in party costings or they policies that they've announce which are a crock.

Michael

12/05/2013A couple of weeks ago Abbott referred to the same sex marriage issue being less important now and in the foreseeable future by pointing out that the push for a republic had also engendered widespread and committed support, but 'no-one's talking about it now'. Well, guess who started talking about it in the last few days? A senior Liberal shadow minister in the person of Malcolm Turnbull, achieving two things... Making Abbott look stupid as a political trendspotter. And making Abbott look stupid as a leader with no direct control over his team, whether it be on matters of paid parental leave, climate change, or the constitutional framing of this nation. Why is this happening now? Because some Liberals don't want to look stupid by having to serve under a stupid PM. Better to get rid of him before the election they can't lose (they believe) than be saddled with a stupid, politically tin-nosed, leader. And who's stepping up to dig another stiletto into the ribs of the 'best opposition leader ever'? The same man who more Australians want as Prime Minister than anyone else in any party. (Not a camp I'm in, but that's by the by, just now.) Malcolm is mischievous. He's also an overreacher. Tony Abbott is being asked to prove himself in ways he hasn't been for the last 30 months. And when he isn't failing to step up from his own badly calibrated lips, he's being exposed as failing to prove his own predictions, as per his republic comment. There's a skywhale full of hot air over Canberra. On ground level, more hot air is Conservatively flying around to ensure a Coalition election does not deliver the Coalition a 'prime minister' whose leadership will take the Coalition to single term dismissal.

nasking

12/05/2013 MICHAEL, VERY GOOD POINTS. I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING THESE OLD GUARD LIBERALS WHO SUPPORT ABBOTT AND HOPE HE CAN REPRODUCE THE 'HOWARD GOLDEN ERA' ARE FORGETTING... HOWARD'S SO CALLED 'GOLDEN ERA' GOT STUFF ALL SCRUTINY BY FAR TOO MANY IN THE MSM UNTIL THE NEWLY ESTABLISHED BLOGS BEGAN TO PUT PRESSURE ON THEM AND ALSO FOCUSED ON THOSE IN THE MSM WITH A MODICUM OF INTEGRITY WHO WERE WILLING TO EXPLORE IN-DEPTH THE SHAM THAT WAS HOWARD'S HONESTY...THAT BLOODY WAR HE SUPPORTED...AND THE HOWARD/COSTELLO GOVT'S SO CALLED 'BRILLIANT ECONOMIC MANAGEMENT OF THE COUNTRY'... IT WASN'T LONG BEFORE THE HOWARD GOVT FOUND ITSELF UNDER A WAVE OF SCRUTINY IT WAS NOT ACCUSTOMED TO...OR HAD WORKED FURIOUSLY TO AVOID BY DELAYING AND REFUSING TO RELEASE SENATE COMMITTEE REPORTS...GETTING CORPORATE MEDIA SUPPORTERS TO SEVERELY EDIT WORK OF JOURNOS...GAG SOME...REMOVE THEM FROM PAPERS...SEND THEM OVERSEAS...INFILTRATE THE ABC AND PUT BIASED SUPPORTERS ON ABC BOARD...THE LIST GOES ON. NOW THE FIFTH ESTATE AND AN ALTERNATIVE MSM HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED THE ABBOTT THOUGHT BUBBLES AND HIS HOLLOW MAN CHARACTER ARE BEING...AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE REVEALED ON A DAILY BASIS...EACH POLICY/BILL ANALYSED TO THE NTH DEGREE... PART OF THE REASON BEING THAT THIS MAN, TONY ABBOTT, IS A RENOWNED CULTURE WARRIOR WHO HAS LEFT IN HIS WAKE A LOT OF INSULTED AND ANGRY ENEMIES...HE HAS SINGLE-HANDEDLY MANAGED TO CREATE A FIRESTORM OF CRITICISM, MISTRUST AND SCEPTICISM THAT WILL HAUNT HIM AND HIS PARTY THE REST OF HIS AND THEIR DAYS... FOR IF THEIR IS ONE THING YOU CAN COUNT ON IF TONY ABBOTT IS USHERED INTO THE LODGE BY THE PRESENT MSM...IS THE MOBILISATION OF MANY MANY CRITICS WHO WILL NOT APPROACH HIS FREE RIDE TO PMship LIGHTLY...NOR GIVE HIM AND HIS PARTY AN INCH. IF IT HAD BEEN ANOTHER LIBERAL...ONE FAR MORE MODERATE WITH LESS AN ANTAGONISTIC AND DIVISIVE LEGACY...AND THE MSM HAD DONE THEIR JOB...I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD SEE THE SAME LEVELS OF MOBILISATION...AND NEGATIVITY. THE LIBERALS AND THEIR MSM SUPPORTERS...AND THE APATHETIC IN THAT FOURTH ESTATE...NOW LIE IN THE BED OF THEIR OWN MAKING. A TSUNAMI COMES...TO SWEEP THEM ALL AWAY. YOU CAN BET ON THAT. N'

nasking

12/05/2013 Should be: [b]FOR IF THERE IS ONE THING YOU CAN COUNT ON IF TONY ABBOTT IS USHERED INTO THE LODGE BY THE PRESENT MSM...IT IS THE MOBILISATION OF MANY MANY CRITICS WHO WILL NOT APPROACH ABBOTT'S FREE RIDE TO PMship LIGHTLY...NOR GIVE HIM AND HIS PARTY AN INCH. [/b] N'

42 long

12/05/2013Turnbull doesn't just put up with being made look ineffectual and stupid for nothing. He doesn't need the BS or the money. I think he has compromised his integrity.( a word that is not heard around Canberra often) MASSIVELY, but HE must make a move at some stage. It would reinforce the electability of the Coalition, and insulate them from a lot of potential "strife" associated with the abbott. Trouble is with the changing nature of the "tories" of Australia, they don't like Turnbull, but he would be more likely to have them in power longer.

TalkTurkey

12/05/2013Good Morning All, and Happy Mothers Day Mothers. An amazing thing to be, from a man's point of view. How unlike anything males ever do, to bear babies. Funny thing sex. As Marilyn Monroe observed. Grasshopper it is lovely to see your wrinkled brow gracing these columns again. Now don't you despair Comrade, for as we are about to enter the home straight, all is in place, *J*U*L*I*A* is positioned for a win. Even though few of us realize it as yet. Of whom Andrew Elder, interestingly, is one.

KHTAGH

12/05/2013TT Thanks mate, I just despair at the total one sided aspect of the MSM as always, it feels like the proverbial pointy stick uphill. I come back here to have my spirits raised by our great participants in an intelligent conversation(well 99% of us anyway). I wonder if Turnball raising the republic debate again is more to do with his lagging popularity over Fraudband, is he trying to regain some of the respect he had with the public when he was trying to get it up last time, it was the biggest surge in popularity he ever had. Is he trying to say vote for us & get a republic? Either way Abbott's rocky road is developing massive pot holes I feel, sooner or later he is going to hit one.

Casablanca

12/05/2013Here is a rare example of a well researched, well written and logically argued article. [b]Australia’s Billion-Dollar Blind Spot[/b] By Mike Seccombe May 10, 2013 [i]Less than a decade ago, there was no treatment for wet macular degeneration that was any more than slightly effective. Then came Avastin, used off-label, and a couple of years after that, Lucentis. ...It’s an egregious waste of taxpayer’s money, according to Dr John O’Shea, consultant ophthalmic surgeon and specialist in medical retinopathy, and conjoint senior lecturer at the University of Newcastle. ...But when The Global Mail asked the Department of Health and Ageing if it had ever considered listing the vastly cheaper drug for use in treating macular degeneration, it became clear that there were major bureaucratic hurdles in the way.[/i]

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12/05/2013Sorry! Here is the url for Mike Seccombe's article: http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/australias-billion-dollar-blind-spot/613/

nasking

12/05/2013 I'M STILL TRYING TO COMPREHEND THE LOGIC OF PANELISTS ON [i]INSIDERS[/i] WHO ONE MOMENT CRITICISE THE MIDDLE CLASS WELFARE OF THE HOWARD ERA AND STATE THAT JOE HOCKEY IS POSSIBLY GOING TO PUT PRESSURE ON ABBOTT NOT TO GO DOWN THE SAME FINANCIALLY IRRESPONSIBLE ROAD, AS INDICATED BY HIS 'END OF THE ERA OF ENTITLEMENTS' SPEECH', [b]YET MANAGE TO COMPLETELY IGNORE THE FACT THAT JOE HOCKEY HAS SIGNED OFF ON ABBOTT'S PAID PARENTAL LEAVE WHICH BENEFITS THOSE MAKING MORE MONEY...[/b] [b]FFS! THE FOOTAGE SHOWING HOCKEY'S ADAMANT SUPPORT FOR ABBOTT'S PPL WAS EVEN PLAYED EARLIER IN THE SHOW...[/b] ANOTHER CASE OF [b]SELECTIVE MEMORY[/b]... DOWNRIGHT INCONSISTENCY BY THE MSM... YET MORE PROOF THE MSM REALLY AREN'T DOING THEIR JOB...MAKING TOO MANY BLOODY EXCUSES FOR THE COALITION... LETTING THEM GET AWAY WITH POLICY MURDER...WHILST PRESUMING THAT [b]ECONOMIC MORON ABBOTT[/b] AND HIS [b]SIDEKICK 'CUT 'TIL IT HURTS' HOCKEY[/b] WILL BE GOVERNING AS OF SEPT 2013. WE, THE VOTERS, REALLY DESERVE BETTER. N'

TalkTurkey

12/05/2013RT ‏@RT_com 17m Skunk Attack: Israel sprays putrid liquid to control West Bank crowd http://youtu.be/yCkFgmK1-dY

nasking

12/05/2013 MORE INSANITY BY THE UK CONSERVATIVE GOVT IN ITS HEADLONG RUSH TO PLEASE DONORS AND SUPPORTERS... CAN WE EXPECT SAME FROM A POSSIBLE ABBOTT GOVT? I IMAGINE SO WITH BARNABY JOYCE HANGING ONTO ABBOTT LIKE HIS SIAMESE TWIN... AND LET'S FACE IT...REGARDLESS OF HIS CLAIMS TO BE A COMPASSIONATE MAN...TONY ABBOTT HAS STATED HE WOULD NOT HAVE SUSPENDED THE LIVE EXPORTS TO INDONESIA AND ELSEWHERE... EVEN AS WE WERE BEING SHOWN YET MORE FOOTAGE OF THE GROTESQUE ABUSE AND TORTURE OF YET MORE EXPORTED ANIMALS...THE MAN IS AN UNETHICAL POLITICAL OPPORTUNIST OF THE WORST KIND: [b]Farming in the British Isles is on the verge of a dramatic step towards industrialisation with the establishment of "mega-farms" for salmon, pigs and cows, which opponents claim put the environment and human health at risk. The Government signalled its backing yesterday for large-scale farms ahead of an announcement this week of a timetable for plans for a 25,000-capacity pig farm in Derbyshire. A decision on a planned 1,000-cow dairy unit in Wales is also imminent. Pressure to meet growing demand for protein by radically increasing the size of farms has also spread to Ireland, where the authorities are backing plans to build one of the biggest salmon farms in the world in Galway Bay, doubling Irish salmon production at a stroke. Farmers and officials insist the introduction of modern facilities offers a solution to Britain's voracious appetite for cheap meat by increasing production while maintaining or improving animal welfare standards and without affecting the environment. A spokeswoman for the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said: "Increasing the efficiency of food production will help us meet rising demand for food. This can be done on any scale and in ways that actually deliver environmental benefits. Large-scale farms are required to meet the same environmental and animal welfare standards as all UK farms." But campaigners claim approval of the schemes would cause a rush towards factory farms across the country, imperilling countryside and coastline in a dash for cheaper food. Lord Melchett, the Soil Association's director of policy, said: "The solution is not to create huge-scale intensive operations that threaten our landscape, farming and rural communities. Large-scale industrial farms may be able to produce food a little more cheaply in the short term, mostly through reducing the number and cost of people employed. But we will end up paying a high price for what may be marginally cheaper food." In the Derbyshire village of Foston, opponents claim plans for a vast indoor pig farm represent a dramatic leap towards techniques already employed in other parts of Europe and the US, where 100,000-capacity pig farms are common. A petition against the farm has collected more than 25,000 signatures including the actors Sir Roger Moore and Dominic West as well as the TV chef Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall. Sir Roger has described large-scale farms as "concentration camps for animals". Opponents claim such farms will create enormous animal welfare problems where disease could spread quickly and the environment will struggle to cope with the slurry.[/b] http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/nature/campaigners-warn-against-rise-of-the-megafarms-could-massive-pig-fish-and-dairy-units-harm-the-environment-8612471.html Has it occurred to these fools that our planet cannot sustain the creation of masses of mega-farms that sees huge amounts of food and water going to animals in order to create food? It's insane! Protein comes from nuts, legumes and many other sources too...they are just pushing meat three times a day, seven days a week on people by way of Ad blitzes, discounted supermarket products in order to profit big time at the expense of public health, the environment, water sources, eco-responsible small farmers and animal welfare. Shame on the UK Tories for kowtowing to big business and rampant capitalists. N'

nasking

12/05/2013 JUST REMEMBER THAT 'BORN TO RULE' (MUST GET HIS WAY AT ALL COSTS) CHRISTOPHER PYNE IS THE SHADOW EDUCATION MINISTER HERE IN AUSTRALIA... AND WE KNOW HOW MUCH TONY ABBOTT ENJOYS VISITING HIS UK COUNTERPARTS: [b]Mood of headteachers is 'angrier and uglier' over education reforms[/b] [b]Britain's biggest headteachers' union is planning to join the TUC, as its leader warns the mood of its members is "angrier" and "uglier" as a result of the Government's school reforms.[/b] [quote]Russell Hobby, general secretary of the traditionally moderate National Association of Head Teachers (NAHT), expects the move to be approved at its annual conference on Friday. He said: "I think the mood is that they are quite close to the brink. The mood is uglier. People are angrier than in previous years." In an interview with The Independent on Sunday, [b] he added: "I think the volume of change and the hardness of the rhetoric [towards teachers] have created a great deal of unhappiness in the system, and I'm not sure how much they can push it until something breaks." Mr Hobby highlighted two key concerns: attempts to "bully" heads into joining the Government's flagship academies programme[/b], and two tests which they believe are "bad" education practice. These are a reading check for all six-year-olds, which includes having to spell made-up words, while the second is a new spelling, grammar and punctuation test, taken by 600,000 11-year-olds for the first time last week, that heads believe is unnecessary. The heads' mood ensures Michael Gove, the Education Secretary, will have another tough battle on his hands when he arrives at the conference on Saturday to defend his policies. He already faces growing opposition to his national curriculum reforms from critics who say they will stifle creativity and provoke strike action from teachers. [b]On the concerns over the academies programme, Mr Hobby cited cases where "academy brokers", who have the job of going into schools and persuading them to become academies, had drawn heads aside in the playground. "It's all off the record," he said, "but they make them offers they can't refuse, such as saying: 'Maybe if you change now you can keep your job but if you convert in a year's time, we can't make any promises.' They try to intimidate them into becoming academies." The number of calls to the NAHT's hotline for beleaguered heads has doubled in a year to 250 a week. "Ofsted [the education standards watchdog] has contributed to that," he said. "It's not only that it's changed the definition of 'satisfactory' to 'requires improvement'. It's also got a tight control over the definition of 'outstanding'." A school can only be outstanding if all its teaching is rated as outstanding too. "There are reports that they're considering a new category of 'outstanding-plus'." These changes had increased the pressure on heads, he added. Last month an inquest found that a primary school teacher, Helen Mann, who taught at Stourport-on-Severn, Worcestershire, had committed suicide in her school. The inquest was told one of her fears was that the school could lose its "outstanding" status in its next Ofsted report.[/b] The concerns expressed by Mr Hobby are echoed in the agenda for next weekend's conference in Birmingham, where heads will start by voting on a motion declaring "no confidence" in many of the Government's education reforms. [b]The agenda makes no mention of Mr Gove by name, but goes on to say that "too much power is currently given to one person to determine national policy on the basis of personal preference and ideologically driven assumptions.[/b]" The motion will be debated just before Mr Gove arrives at the conference to answer questions posed by heads.[/quote] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/school-heads-on-brink-of-joining-tuc-8612467.html PRESSURES PUSHING PEOPLE TO SUICIDE...EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL...CAJOLING AND BULLYING...PERSUADING HEADS OF DEPARTMENTS TO GO WITH ACADEMIES AND BETRAY THEIR OWN STAFF...GREAT WAY TO LIFT MORALE OF TEACHERS... BUT THEN IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME...I HAVE INSIDE INFO THAT THE NEWMAN GOVT HAS DONE SAME WITH SOME WORKING IN THE DISABILITY AREA. N'

nasking

12/05/2013 THIS IS HOW CONSERVATIVES THINK THESE DAYS...GROTESQUE...BEWARE AN ABBOTT-LED RECESSION: [quote]The [UK] prime minister's adviser on enterprise has told the cabinet that the economic downturn is an excellent time for new businesses to boost profits and grow because labour is cheap, the Observer can reveal. Lord Young, a cabinet minister under the late Baroness Thatcher, who is the only aide with his own office in Downing Street, told ministers that the low wage levels in a recession made larger financial returns easier to achieve. His comments are contained in a report to be published this week, on which the cabinet was briefed last Tuesday. Young, who has already been forced to resign from his position once before for downplaying the impact of the recession on people, writes: "The rise in the number of businesses in recent years shows that a recession can be an excellent time to start a business. "Competitors who fall by the wayside enable well-run firms to expand and increase market share. Factors of production such as premises and labour can be cheaper and higher quality, meaning that return on investment can be greater." A Downing Street spokesman said Young was merely stating a "factual point and nothing else". But the comments were described as "appalling and ill-timed" by union leaders, with job-market figures due out next week expected to show that the initial resilience of employment has faded while wages are being severely tightened. UK employees' average hourly earnings have fallen by 8.5% since 2009 in real terms, adjusting for inflation, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).[/quote] http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/may/11/young-recession-cheap-labour [b]SO IT SEEMS THE KEY TO CONSERVATIVE PARTY POLICIES THESE DAYS IS TO USE DEBT EXCUSES TO BRING IN AUSTERITY MEASURES AND CREATE A RECESSION, CUT AS MANY ESSENTIAL SERVICE JOBS AS POSSIBLE...WHICH CAUSES SPENDING PROBLEMS LEADING TO MORE LAYOFFS...SO THERE IS AN INCREASED POOL OF LABOUR...WHICH PROVIDES CHOSEN BUSINESSES WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLOIT CHEAP LABOUR...[/b] HOW FCKN WONDERFUL! AND MANY VOTERS IN AUSTRALIA THINK AN ABBOTT CONSERVATIVE GOVT IS THE WAY TO GO? TALK ABOUT DUMB. N'

nasking

12/05/2013 Should be: [b]SO IT SEEMS THE KEY TO CONSERVATIVE PARTY POLICIES THESE DAYS IS TO USE DEBT EXCUSES TO BRING IN AUSTERITY MEASURES AND CREATE A RECESSION, CUT AS MANY ESSENTIAL SERVICE JOBS AS POSSIBLE...WHICH CAUSES SPENDING PROBLEMS LEADING TO MORE LAYOFFS...SO THERE IS AN INCREASED POOL OF LABOUR...WHICH PROVIDES CHOSEN BUSINESSES WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLOIT CHEAP LABOUR... AND MAXIMISE PROFITS...FOR THE FEW[/b] N'

nasking

12/05/2013 MEMORIES...THAT REMIND US OF YET ONE MORE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE AUSTRALIAN LIBERAL PARTY AND THE CAMERON CONSERVATIVES...AND SPOILT WEIRDO BORIS: [quote]The Wizard of Oz: Cameron's controversial campaign strategist grants a rare interview Since Lynton Crosby was named as David Cameron's new campaign expert last autumn, speculation has been rife as to what his methods will do for British politics. Paola Totaro is granted a rare interview with the man Boris Johnson (a client) calls the Wizard of Oz. ...[b]In Britain, admiration for Lynton Crosby in some quarters – primarily the Conservative right – is almost Messianic.[/b] His face – grey hair, merry eyes behind glasses, masculine jaw – is not familiar to Aussies or Britons and yet he has made power lists in both countries, most recently in the UK's Top 100 influential figures from the Right, published by the Daily Telegraph. ...Crosby has often made public fun of his one and only, youthful, unsuccessful tilt at election (in 1982) saying he managed to turn a marginal Liberal seat into a safe Labour one and that, with hindsight, "[I] wouldn't have voted for me". [b]A move to Queensland saw him begin work for the Liberal Party, quickly rising through the ranks. By 1996, Crosby had forged a key role beside a victorious John Howard, repeating the electoral magic two years later when he successfully targeted a raft of key marginal seats.[/b] [b]In 2001, there was another win, but this time at a terrible cost on the back of what became known as the Tampa Affair. The Howard government's claim that Afghan refugees had thrown their children overboard in a bid to blackmail their way into the country was famously disproved, a low in the Australian political discourse that has continued to haunt the retired Prime Minister and his electoral strategist to this day[/b]. [b]A year later, Crosby and his pollster partner, Mark Textor, moved to diversify beyond politics, establishing a corporate consultancy.[/b] For Crosby's critics in the UK – most of them in the Tory left – Crosby's reputation for 'dog whistle' tactics is a big worry. With a track record pushing the envelope on sensitive issues like crime, public safety, law and order and immigration, even conservative observers like Peter Oborne, writing in the Telegraph, worry that Crosby's appointment will amount to a "public recantation" of the kinder, warmer Conservative image crafted and deployed after the big defeat in 2005. Crosby himself appears to have very little interest in engaging in the 'Cameronian' project – and there is little doubt he holds solidly right-wing views. But placing Crosby at the centre of the political policy narrative – whether it be John Howard's in Australia or David Cameron's in the UK, is too easy. [b]Crosby is primarily just a marketing man, a professional strategist and campaigner whose job is to shape the most presentable and attractive message for his candidate, not to pursue specific policies or agendas.[/b] At a Conservatives in Communications event two weeks ago, Crosby was one of the star attractions, offering his take on the road to 2015. The strict test he applied to Boris and his cable car will apparently be repeated: before a leader will be allowed to raise an issue, he said, it will be screened (and polled) for voter resonance. Is Europe salient? What about gay marriage? Do people care more about immigration or House of Lords reform? Most importantly, MPs will be asked to show that they can clearly delineate their stance on an issue from an opponent. The messages will be simple and thematic: a 25 per cent slash to the deficit, record low interest rates, tax cuts for the lowest paid, pensions on the up, 850,000 new private sector jobs created, controlled immigration. The Government record is to be repeated ad nauseum. [b]As for the media, they are both mate and enemy, although the BBC got another tough assessment: "run by a socially progressive, out of touch, narrow elite". No point fighting it though, Crosby was reported to have mused to the room at large, best to perfect the message and stay on song.[/b] So, does this role as a hot-shot salesman include being an exponent of 'dog whistle politics', the dark arts of subtle messages and appeals to voter prejudices that are never explicitly articulated? [b]Cheryl Kernot, former leader of the Australian Democrats, was in the UK during the 2005 election whenf the now infamous Tory billboards asked voters, 'Are you thinking what we're thinking?'. She says she immediately recognised Crosby and Textor's modus operandi, the style which, according to her, saw Australia re-focus voter attention on asylum seekers, on refugees and an "exploitation of basic instincts and fears of difference and latent prejudice". "That was a brutalising Australian hand and I am fearful of what it means for British politics. You have one of the most robust civil democracies in the world. Here in Australia, 10 years of dog whistling and focusing of fear… really led to a demeaning of our democracy in a way that I'd hate to see in the UK." Crosby demurs: "Our strength is we understand how to develop a strategy, generally built on research of some sort… so we do a lot of opinion polling – and not to tell you what to think – but to tell you 'OK, this is what people think, this is where you want to get, this is where you are now, this is what you need to do and these are the tools to do that'," he tells me. "So it's a navigational tool, to show you where to get to, how and what tactics to use. The simple rule of politics for me has always been – and this stands true particularly now in hard times – that when in doubt, stand for something. If people do not believe you stand for something, you will be in trouble," he insists.[/b] [b]This will be music to the ears of Conservative MPs, like Robert Halfon, who champion a "more blue-collar-friendly conservatism". They argue Crosby is the man to re-focus the party on the issues important to the grass roots, and if it is immigration or welfare or simply how to encourage the so-called 'strivers' over the 'skivers', then so be it.[/b] "People feel we are not giving them ladders up, but we are not giving them a safety net either," he says. Halfon first met Crosby during the doomed Michael Howard 2005 campaign, but is adamant the loss was not the Australian's fault because he was hired to sell a message – "immigration and that type of thing" – decided by others.[/quote] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-wizard-of-oz-camerons-controversial-campaign-strategist-grants-a-rare-interview-8483770.html GOOD CON/PROPAGANDA JOB EH? CONVINCING THE VOTERS TO VOTE AGAINST THEIR OWN INTERESTS...BUT USING MEDIA TO MANUFACTURE PERCEPTION SO THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE VOTING FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN. IF YOU DON'T THINK THIS UK CRAP IS COMING OUR WAY IF ABBOTT WINS...THINK AGAIN. THESE COUNTRIES ARE SWAPPING ADVISORS, THINK TANKS, STRATEGIES AND POLICIES...JUST LIKE THE USA AND AUSTRALIA IS. YA PUT THE MURDOCH, LIMBAUGH, TEA PARTY, NEO-AYN RAND TYPES INFLUENCE WITH THE CROSBY-TEXTOR HOWARD AND UK STUFF... AND YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING PRETTY GROTESQUE FOR UNIONS AND MANY WORKERS AND THE DISADVANTAGED...AND BUSINESSES AND FARMERS THAT GET IN THEIR WAY. N'

nasking

12/05/2013 SO, GOING BY ABOVE COMMENTS, ARTICLES, LINKS ETC...I DETERMINE THAT THE TONY ABBOTT, JOE HOCKEY, CHRISTOPHER PYNE LIBERALS AND THEIR NAT PARTNERS DOMINATED THESE DAYS BY BARNABY JOYCE ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED. I REST MY CASE. N'

Tom of Melbourne

12/05/2013Algernon – [i]”Don't know why all the brouhaha about debt in this country. As explained today it's like someone on $100k having a mortgage of $10k.[/i]” Predictably a dill repeats that economic nonsense.

Jason

12/05/2013Predictably a dill repeats that economic nonsense. Tom of Melbourne So how should it be explained?

TalkTurkey

12/05/2013Nas "I DETERMINE THAT THE TONY ABBOTT, JOE HOCKEY, CHRISTOPHER PYNE LIBERALS AND THEIR NAT PARTNERS DOMINATED THESE DAYS BY BARNABY JOYCE ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED." It's taken you 'til now?! :)

Jason

12/05/2013 JOE Hockey has reportedly blocked the official twitter account of Julia Gillard's office after being asked about his stance on Tony Abbott's paid parental leave scheme. A spokesman for the Prime Minister said the shadow treasurer had prevented the Prime Minister's Office account from accessing his twitter page this morning. "Will @JoeHockey demand a means test on PPL? Or will he get rolled by @TonyAbbottMHR again," the PMO press account asked at 7.57am. http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/special-features/joe-hockey-reportedly-blocks-pms-office-twitter-account/story-fnho52ji-1226636602910?sv=d4a154ab28b4493c1809973a1e1f7d60#.UY9Ec8-FEf0.twitter

Ad astra

12/05/2013Folks I have just posted [i]Feathers Fly at the Federal Chook House[/i]. Enjoy. http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/post/2013/05/12/Feathers-Fly-at-the-Federal-Chook-House.aspx
T-w-o take away o-n-e equals?